[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jim Clark jimfortheea...@earthlink.net wrote: On Mar 17, 2009, at 4:57 PM, William Stein wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jim Clark jimfortheea...@earthlink.net wrote: On Mar 17, 2009, at 4:45 PM, William Stein wrote: Thanks for the offer. But we release new sage versions every 1-2 weeks (!), and having old binaries doesn't help much William But the binary that you offer at sagemath.org doesn't work, as the originator of this thread reported and as Michael Abshoff and I confirmed. In one week we will release a new version of Sage. And another new one a week or two later, etc. Are you going to physically deliver new binaries every week or two? That's a good question, one I have not thought through. As it is, you have not been providing OSX PPC binaries with every Sage release -- the previous one was for version 3.2.3 last November. This was a mistake. We intend to provide binaries for every single release, but recently (and only recently) got lazy and didn't. In the future we intend to. -- William Do you know how much demand there is for OSX PPC binaries? Would it help to provide new binaries at major releases, which seem to come every month or two, not every one to two weeks? That's a way that I would be willing to help. Jim -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
Hi Sage supporters, I have now succeeded in building sage 3.4 for OSX 10.4 PowerPC (G3). It copies, installs and runs successfully (on my two computers). I live close to the UW; if one of you will give me directions to the Sage lab, I can hand-deliver a sage 3.4 .dmg that I think will work for those of us with older iMacs. (It's getting late in the day on Tuesday, Mar. 17, so the best arrangement for me will be Wednesday a.m., but Tues. evening after 7 p.m. would also be o.k.) Cheers! Jim Clark On Mar 15, 2009, at 11:09 PM, mabshoff wrote: - - | Sage Version 3.4, Release Date: 2009-03-11 | | Type notebook() for the GUI, and license() for information.| - - The SAGE install tree may have moved. Regenerating Python.pyo and .pyc files that hardcode the install PATH (please wait at most a few minutes)... Do not interrupt this. SNIP ImportError: dlopen(/Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site- packages/sage/misc/randstate.so, 2): Library not loaded: /tmp/fooo/ sage-3.4/local/lib/libgmp.3.dylib Referenced from: /Applications/sage/local/lib//libcsage.dylib Reason: no suitable image found. Did find: /Applications/sage/local/lib//libgmp.3.dylib: incompatible cpu-subtype This seems to be the trouble, i.e. the MPIR we build on OSX 10.4/PPC is on a G4 and now seems to produce a library that does not run on a G3. That might be caused by newer XCode releases, but I am not 100% sure. I do not think that we changed anything inside MPIR that would cause this. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Jim Clark jimfortheea...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Sage supporters, I have now succeeded in building sage 3.4 for OSX 10.4 PowerPC (G3). It copies, installs and runs successfully (on my two computers). I live close to the UW; if one of you will give me directions to the Sage lab, I can hand-deliver a sage 3.4 .dmg that I think will work for those of us with older iMacs. (It's getting late in the day on Tuesday, Mar. 17, so the best arrangement for me will be Wednesday a.m., but Tues. evening after 7 p.m. would also be o.k.) Thanks for the offer. But we release new sage versions every 1-2 weeks (!), and having old binaries doesn't help much William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Mar 17, 2009, at 4:45 PM, William Stein wrote: Thanks for the offer. But we release new sage versions every 1-2 weeks (!), and having old binaries doesn't help much William But the binary that you offer at sagemath.org doesn't work, as the originator of this thread reported and as Michael Abshoff and I confirmed. Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jim Clark jimfortheea...@earthlink.net wrote: On Mar 17, 2009, at 4:45 PM, William Stein wrote: Thanks for the offer. But we release new sage versions every 1-2 weeks (!), and having old binaries doesn't help much William But the binary that you offer at sagemath.org doesn't work, as the originator of this thread reported and as Michael Abshoff and I confirmed. In one week we will release a new version of Sage. And another new one a week or two later, etc. Are you going to physically deliver new binaries every week or two? William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Mar 17, 2009, at 4:57 PM, William Stein wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jim Clark jimfortheea...@earthlink.net wrote: On Mar 17, 2009, at 4:45 PM, William Stein wrote: Thanks for the offer. But we release new sage versions every 1-2 weeks (!), and having old binaries doesn't help much William But the binary that you offer at sagemath.org doesn't work, as the originator of this thread reported and as Michael Abshoff and I confirmed. In one week we will release a new version of Sage. And another new one a week or two later, etc. Are you going to physically deliver new binaries every week or two? That's a good question, one I have not thought through. As it is, you have not been providing OSX PPC binaries with every Sage release -- the previous one was for version 3.2.3 last November. Do you know how much demand there is for OSX PPC binaries? Would it help to provide new binaries at major releases, which seem to come every month or two, not every one to two weeks? That's a way that I would be willing to help. Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Mar 15, 5:04 pm, Jim Clark jimfortheea...@earthlink.net wrote: On Mar 14, 2009, at 4:52 PM, mabshoff wrote: Hi Jim, I have downloaded both Michael's .dmg and the one from http:// sage.math.washington.edu/sage/osx/powerpc/index.html In both cases, after I start sage, it fails as follows: (My computer is a 300 MHz G3 running OSX 10.4.) Hmm, I am not 100% sure the binary will run on a G3. IIRC some people have reported working binaries on G3 CPUs, but that might have been a while. Can you check if the md5sum of the dmg matches? mabsh...@sage:/scratch/mabshoff/sage-3.4$ md5sum ~/sage-3.4-OSX-10.4- PowerMacintosh-Darwin.dmg 3285260d94023d27a86faeb05bd0dcef /home/mabshoff/sage-3.4-OSX-10.4- PowerMacintosh-Darwin.dmg I do not think that this is the problem though - see below. -- | Sage Version 3.4, Release Date: 2009-03-11 | | Type notebook() for the GUI, and license() for information. | -- The SAGE install tree may have moved. Regenerating Python.pyo and .pyc files that hardcode the install PATH (please wait at most a few minutes)... Do not interrupt this. SNIP ImportError: dlopen(/Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site- packages/sage/misc/randstate.so, 2): Library not loaded: /tmp/fooo/ sage-3.4/local/lib/libgmp.3.dylib Referenced from: /Applications/sage/local/lib//libcsage.dylib Reason: no suitable image found. Did find: /Applications/sage/local/lib//libgmp.3.dylib: incompatible cpu-subtype This seems to be the trouble, i.e. the MPIR we build on OSX 10.4/PPC is on a G4 and now seems to produce a library that does not run on a G3. That might be caused by newer XCode releases, but I am not 100% sure. I do not think that we changed anything inside MPIR that would cause this. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
Thanks for the response, Michael. On Mar 15, 2009, at 11:09 PM, mabshoff wrote: On Mar 15, 5:04 pm, Jim Clark jimfortheea...@earthlink.net wrote: On Mar 14, 2009, at 4:52 PM, mabshoff wrote: I have downloaded both Michael's .dmg and the one from http:// sage.math.washington.edu/sage/osx/powerpc/index.html In both cases, after I start sage, it fails as follows: (My computer is a 300 MHz G3 running OSX 10.4.) Hmm, I am not 100% sure the binary will run on a G3. IIRC some people have reported working binaries on G3 CPUs, but that might have been a while. I have most recently been running sage 2.3.2 on my G3 computer. Prior versions have also worked fine. Can you check if the md5sum of the dmg matches? mabsh...@sage:/scratch/mabshoff/sage-3.4$ md5sum ~/sage-3.4-OSX-10.4- PowerMacintosh-Darwin.dmg 3285260d94023d27a86faeb05bd0dcef /home/mabshoff/sage-3.4-OSX-10.4- PowerMacintosh-Darwin.dmg I need some more help here; I get: Jim-and-Elaines-computer:~/Downloaded docs jim$ md5sum sage-3.4- OSX-10.4-PowerMacintosh-Darwin.dmg -bash: md5sum: command not found Again, thanks. Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Mar 15, 2009, at 11:09 PM, mabshoff wrote: - - | Sage Version 3.4, Release Date: 2009-03-11 | | Type notebook() for the GUI, and license() for information.| - - The SAGE install tree may have moved. Regenerating Python.pyo and .pyc files that hardcode the install PATH (please wait at most a few minutes)... Do not interrupt this. SNIP ImportError: dlopen(/Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site- packages/sage/misc/randstate.so, 2): Library not loaded: /tmp/fooo/ sage-3.4/local/lib/libgmp.3.dylib Referenced from: /Applications/sage/local/lib//libcsage.dylib Reason: no suitable image found. Did find: /Applications/sage/local/lib//libgmp.3.dylib: incompatible cpu-subtype This seems to be the trouble, i.e. the MPIR we build on OSX 10.4/PPC is on a G4 and now seems to produce a library that does not run on a G3. That might be caused by newer XCode releases, but I am not 100% sure. I do not think that we changed anything inside MPIR that would cause this. The next thing I will try is building from source -- I have not updated XCode. It's just that make requires about 24 hours on my old, underpowered computer... Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
It copied ok, but then... -- | Sage Version 3.4, Release Date: 2009-03-11 | | Type notebook() for the GUI, and license() for information.| -- The SAGE install tree may have moved. Regenerating Python.pyo and .pyc files that hardcode the install PATH (please wait at most a few minutes)... Do not interrupt this. --- ImportError Traceback (most recent call last) snip ImportError: dlopen(/Users/.../sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ sage/misc/randstate.so, 2): Library not loaded: /tmp/fooo/sage-3.4/ local/lib/libgmp.3.dylib Referenced from: /Users/.../sage/local/lib//libcsage.dylib Reason: no suitable image found. Did find: /Users/.../sage/local/lib//libgmp.3.dylib: incompatible cpu- subtype WARNING: Failure executing code: 'import sage.misc.preparser_ipython; sage.misc.preparser_ipython.magma_colon_equals=True' --- ImportError Traceback (most recent call last) snip ImportError: dlopen(/Users/.../sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ sage/misc/randstate.so, 2): corrupt binary, library ordinal too big Error importing ipy_profile_sage - perhaps you should run %upgrade? WARNING: Loading of ipy_profile_sage failed. ERROR: name 'sage_prompt' is not defined And the same thing happens each time I try to use it. I'm sorry to have to report that. This is a G4 PPC running X.4. - kcrisman --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Mar 16, 8:54 am, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: It copied ok, but then... SNIP ImportError: dlopen(/Users/.../sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ sage/misc/randstate.so, 2): Library not loaded: /tmp/fooo/sage-3.4/ local/lib/libgmp.3.dylib Referenced from: /Users/.../sage/local/lib//libcsage.dylib Reason: no suitable image found. Did find: /Users/.../sage/local/lib//libgmp.3.dylib: incompatible cpu- subtype SNIP And the same thing happens each time I try to use it. I'm sorry to have to report that. This is a G4 PPC running X.4. Ok, it now looks like MPIR produces a library that does not work on a G4 anymore. This makes this binary not very useful any more. There is a G4 notebook in the Sage lab in Seattle, but it only has 256 MB RAM, so building Sage on it takes forever. If we could upgrade the memory it would be useful enough to build 10.4 PPC G4 binaries. - kcrisman Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Mar 14, 2009, at 4:52 PM, mabshoff wrote: On Mar 13, 11:30 am, Carl Witty carl.wi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 13, 11:02 am, mabshoff michael.absh...@mathematik.uni- dortmund.de wrote: On Mar 13, 10:55 am, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Any ideas? The build box where that binary is being build had some changes to the file system layout, i.e. William might have build on an NFS mount instead of a local file system. I did a build on a local file system, so once I find some time I will get that binary uploaded to test if it makes a difference. It looks like the build was done on a case-sensitive filesystem, probably? Yep. I have a build from a HFS partition - see http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/sage-3.4-OSX-10.4- PowerMacintosh-Darwin.dmg can someone confirm that it works so I can upload it to the website? Cheers, Michael I have downloaded both Michael's .dmg and the one from http:// sage.math.washington.edu/sage/osx/powerpc/index.html In both cases, after I start sage, it fails as follows: (My computer is a 300 MHz G3 running OSX 10.4.) -- | Sage Version 3.4, Release Date: 2009-03-11 | | Type notebook() for the GUI, and license() for information.| -- The SAGE install tree may have moved. Regenerating Python.pyo and .pyc files that hardcode the install PATH (please wait at most a few minutes)... Do not interrupt this. --- ImportError Traceback (most recent call last) /Applications/sage/local/bin/string in module() /Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/misc/ preparser_ipython.py in module() 6 ### 7 8 import sage.misc.interpreter 9 10 import preparser /Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/misc/ interpreter.py in module() 100 101 import os -- 102 import log 103 104 import remote_file /Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/misc/log.py in module() 63 64 import interpreter --- 65 import latex 66 import misc 67 /Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/misc/ latex.py in module() 41 import random 42 --- 43 from misc import tmp_dir 44 import sage_eval 45 from sage.misc.misc import SAGE_DOC /Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/misc/ misc.py in module() 26 27 import operator, os, stat, socket, sys, signal, time, weakref, resource, math --- 28 import sage.misc.prandom as random 29 30 from banner import version, banner /Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/misc/ prandom.py in module() 54 # setting seeds should only be done through sage.misc.randstate . 55 --- 56 from sage.misc.randstate import current_randstate 57 58 def _pyrand(): ImportError: dlopen(/Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site- packages/sage/misc/randstate.so, 2): Library not loaded: /tmp/fooo/ sage-3.4/local/lib/libgmp.3.dylib Referenced from: /Applications/sage/local/lib//libcsage.dylib Reason: no suitable image found. Did find: /Applications/sage/local/lib//libgmp.3.dylib: incompatible cpu-subtype WARNING: Failure executing code: 'import sage.misc.preparser_ipython; sage.misc.preparser_ipython.magma_colon_equals=True' --- ImportError Traceback (most recent call last) /Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/IPython/ ipmaker.py in force_import(modname) 64 reload(sys.modules[modname]) 65 else: --- 66 __import__(modname) 67 68 /Applications/sage/local/bin/ipy_profile_sage.py in module() 1 import os 2 if 'SAGE_CLEAN' not in os.environ: 3 import sage.misc.misc 4 from sage.misc.interpreter import preparser, _ip 5 preparser(True) /Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/misc/ misc.py in module() 26 27 import operator, os, stat, socket, sys, signal, time, weakref, resource, math --- 28 import sage.misc.prandom as random 29 30 from banner import version, banner /Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/misc/ prandom.py in module() 54 # setting seeds should only be done through sage.misc.randstate . 55 --- 56 from sage.misc.randstate import current_randstate 57 58 def _pyrand(): ImportError: dlopen(/Applications/sage/local/lib/python2.5/site- packages/sage/misc/randstate.so, 2): corrupt binary, library ordinal too big Error importing ipy_profile_sage -
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Mar 13, 11:30 am, Carl Witty carl.wi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 13, 11:02 am, mabshoff michael.absh...@mathematik.uni- dortmund.de wrote: On Mar 13, 10:55 am, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Any ideas? The build box where that binary is being build had some changes to the file system layout, i.e. William might have build on an NFS mount instead of a local file system. I did a build on a local file system, so once I find some time I will get that binary uploaded to test if it makes a difference. It looks like the build was done on a case-sensitive filesystem, probably? Yep. I have a build from a HFS partition - see http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/sage-3.4-OSX-10.4-PowerMacintosh-Darwin.dmg can someone confirm that it works so I can upload it to the website? Carl Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
Same thing happens with lib vs. LIB. Since a lot of those files are a little more important than Singular to me, I guess I'll dump this download... could it just be a problem with my computer, X.4 PPC? - kcrisman --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Mar 13, 10:55 am, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Support, Just downloaded a binary for 3.4 for OSX.4 off the webpage, and it won't fully copy from the dmg to my computer. To be precise, I get the following type of complaint: 'You cannot copy some of these items to the destination because their names are the same as the names of items on the destination, except for the case of some characters.' The item it is referring to is in local/bin, namely singular vs. Singular vs. Singular-3-0-4 vs. TSingular. I don't tend to use Singular too much, so I'm tempted to just delete the file it's complaining about (singular, lower-case, whose total content is #!/ bin/sh Singular-3-0-4 $*), but this seems very odd to me; I've never seen a Mac complain about this sort of capitalization thing before. I wouldn't delete anything like that. It will likely break something for the Sage - Singular interface. Any ideas? The build box where that binary is being build had some changes to the file system layout, i.e. William might have build on an NFS mount instead of a local file system. I did a build on a local file system, so once I find some time I will get that binary uploaded to test if it makes a difference. - kcrisman Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Cannot copy on OSX
On Mar 13, 11:02 am, mabshoff michael.absh...@mathematik.uni- dortmund.de wrote: On Mar 13, 10:55 am, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Any ideas? The build box where that binary is being build had some changes to the file system layout, i.e. William might have build on an NFS mount instead of a local file system. I did a build on a local file system, so once I find some time I will get that binary uploaded to test if it makes a difference. It looks like the build was done on a case-sensitive filesystem, probably? Carl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
