[Samba] Fwd: Samba browsing not possible! (Linux Mint, Firewall (Gufw), Samba shares, gvfsd-smb-browse)
Hello dear Sambausers: My setup: = 0. Linux Mint 11 (Gnome, Nautilus file browser, Firewall Gufw) 1. Gufw is enabled, rejecting incoming and outgoing traffic by default. 2. I have set all ports relevant to samba (135,139,445/tcp for smbd and 137,138/udp for nmbd) to Allow, both, for incoming and outgoing. My problem: === When I click on Network Windows Network in nautilus file browser, it does not find my other Samba machines in my network. Instead, I get a message from Gufw saying, that service gvfsd-smb-browse tries to reach out, but got blocked. The ports that this service uses change each time that I trigger the browse attempt. It seems grossly to range between ports 3X000 and 5X000, making it impossible for me to punch a hole into the firewall for this service. Questions: === 1. What the heck is this gvfsd-smb-browse for? I have never needed it before with other distros and opening the standard samba ports was enough at all times to browse my network. 2. If nautilus needs this service desperately and there is no other way: How can I configure this gvfsd-smb-browse to use a specific port or at least a small port range, instead of probing randomly 2 ports! This is worse than Skype!! 3. Please help me with any peace information that you might have about this subject; Google did not answer my questions unfortunately.. Thanx for any help/hint/tip/howto!! Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
[Samba] Samba browsing not possible! (Linux Mint, Firewall (Gufw), Samba shares, gvfsd-smb-browse)
Hello dear Sambausers: My setup: = 0. Linux Mint 11 (Gnome, Nautilus file browser, Firewall Gufw) 1. Gufw is enabled, rejecting incoming and outgoing traffic by default. 2. I have set all ports relevant to samba (135,139,445/tcp for smbd and 137,138/udp for nmbd) to Allow, both, for incoming and outgoing. My problem: === When I click on Network Windows Network in nautilus file browser, it does not find my other Samba machines in my network. Instead, I get a message from Gufw saying, that service gvfsd-smb-browse tries to reach out, but got blocked. The ports that this service uses change each time that I trigger the browse attempt. It seems grossly to range between ports 3X000 and 5X000, making it impossible for me to punch a hole into the firewall for this service. Questions: === 1. What the heck is this gvfsd-smb-browse for? I have never needed it before with other distros and opening the standard samba ports was enough at all times to browse my network. 2. If nautilus needs this service desperately and there is no other way: How can I configure this gvfsd-smb-browse to use a specific port or at least a small port range, instead of probing randomly 2 ports! This is worse than Skype!! 3. Please help me with any peace information that you might have about this subject; Google did not answer my questions unfortunately.. Thanx for any help/hint/tip/howto!! Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
[Samba] Introducing a Linux Client in PDC: Best practice?
Hello dear Samba fellows, My past configuration: = 1. Samba PDC with non-roaming Profiles 2. A Windows 7/64 Workstation 3. A netlogon script which maps the User's home directory and diverse other samba shares as network drives My new configuration: = In addition to the above: 1. Laptop with Linux Mint 11 My questions: = 1. I want to integrate the laptop in the above mentioned setup- The laptop should become a member of the PDC so that all users of the domain can log onto the laptop and reach their home directory. How do I do that? 2. I want something similar to my netlogon script to happen on the Linux Notebook (i.e. mapping my network shares as network drives/links). Is that possible? Bonus question: = In my quest of gradually changing everything to FLOSS, at some later point I will want to eliminate the Windows 7/64 box and change it to some flavor of Linux, too. Doing so, I would be 100% Linux powered. Will I be wanting to continue using my Samba PDC as directory and for my shares? Or will I be wanting to migrate to some native linux protocols such as NFS/NIS or even Kerberos/LDAP, etc.? Thank you for any input, help, hints, opinions!! Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Unreliable connection to Samba PDC - Connections get lost, Roaming Profiles do not sync, Files can't be written, etc..
On 2011-03-30 23:26, Gaiseric Vandal wrote: Is this with one Windows 7 X64 client or all of them? Do XP machines have the same problem? Do the disconnects occur after the machine has been in sleep mode? On 03/30/2011 04:21 PM, Tom H. Lautenbacher wrote: Hello all! I am having severe problems with my Samba PDC. 1. My Roaming profile in 3 out of 10 times does not get synchronized correctly with the server - without any obvious reason. This sometimes destroys my profile by losing data and commonly from then on the profile is never again synchronized correctly. A backup restore of the computer is necessary. 2. When I edit a document (e.g. word .docx) which is located on a samba-share, sometimes when I want to save it to a new (!) file name, Word says that it can't save to the new file name because the document is in use by someone else. Word creates the new file name anyway, but it remains 0kb. When I select save again and chose to overwrite the new 0kb file, it does it without any problem. 3. Sometimes the connection to the PDC get's lost in the middle of a day's session. Thus all my network drives get disconnected and I have to reboot the client to get connected again. If in this time I had Outlook 2007 opened (my outlook.pst lives on a network share, too), I have to close Outlook and reboot to be able to edit anything in Outlook again. What I have tried: 1. Changed TP-Cable between client and server 2. Changed Network Switch between client and server (and switched from 100MBit to Gigabit) 3. Upgraded Samba to the (then) newest version, which was 1 year newer than the previous one 4. Re-added the client to the domain Nothing helped... ;-( What is going on here? The client that connects to the PDC is Windows 7, 64bit ANY ideas, hints, approaches are HIGHLY APPRECIATED!! Tom Hello Gaiseric Vandal, thank you for your time! Is this with one Windows 7 X64 client or all of them? Do XP machines have the same problem? I am having only a Windows 7 X64 client in this network at this time speaking Do the disconnects occur after the machine has been in sleep mode? No, the machine never goes to sleep mode! Cheers Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
[Samba] Unreliable connection to Samba PDC - Connections get lost, Roaming Profiles do not sync, Files can't be written, etc..
Hello all! I am having severe problems with my Samba PDC. 1. My Roaming profile in 3 out of 10 times does not get synchronized correctly with the server - without any obvious reason. This sometimes destroys my profile by losing data and commonly from then on the profile is never again synchronized correctly. A backup restore of the computer is necessary. 2. When I edit a document (e.g. word .docx) which is located on a samba-share, sometimes when I want to save it to a new (!) file name, Word says that it can't save to the new file name because the document is in use by someone else. Word creates the new file name anyway, but it remains 0kb. When I select save again and chose to overwrite the new 0kb file, it does it without any problem. 3. Sometimes the connection to the PDC get's lost in the middle of a day's session. Thus all my network drives get disconnected and I have to reboot the client to get connected again. If in this time I had Outlook 2007 opened (my outlook.pst lives on a network share, too), I have to close Outlook and reboot to be able to edit anything in Outlook again. What I have tried: 1. Changed TP-Cable between client and server 2. Changed Network Switch between client and server (and switched from 100MBit to Gigabit) 3. Upgraded Samba to the (then) newest version, which was 1 year newer than the previous one 4. Re-added the client to the domain Nothing helped... ;-( What is going on here? The client that connects to the PDC is Windows 7, 64bit ANY ideas, hints, approaches are HIGHLY APPRECIATED!! Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba crashes floods logfiles: smbd/notify_inotify.c:244(inotify_handler) - No data on inotify fd?!
Hello Andrew, thank you for your time, too!! 3. Did I do anything wrong, or is this a problem with the standard kernel included in openSUSE 11.2? Is there anything I can do about it? This problem has been around for several years on RHEL as well - I suspect it is a kernel-samba issue. How come this affects only some users and not all? http://forum.soft32.com/linux/Samba-Samba-logs-fill-disk-inotify-errors- smbd-100-CPU-ftopict479508.html Every box I build now has that setting turned on. I occasionally turn it off to see if there are still issues, and every time it comes back - so it's still an issue AFAIK. Andrew, Volker Lendecke answered to my problem in this thread, too, but with a different solution. Which one should I prefer by your opinion in terms of the most solid server configuration possible? Thank you for your time!! Best regards Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba crashes floods logfiles: smbd/notify_inotify.c:244(inotify_handler) - No data on inotify fd?!
Hello Volker! Thank you very much for your time that you spent to help me! 1a). Is it correct that kernel change notify is a per share setting and not in the [global] section, so that I will have to put It's a global setting, putting it into [global] once is enough. Ok! 2. Is it correct that if I do insert kernel change notify = No to my shares, that I won't be able to see changes in the folders from my Windows Clients, but I will have to manually trigger a refresh (F5) each time I want to see if changes have occured? E.g. if many users save files to a share, I won't see those new files until I trigger a refresh manually? Or is it only concerning the changes that a linux-process might have performed, e.g. a cronjob that copied a file into a share? It's the latter. If other cifs clients change something, it should still work. I see. 3. Did I do anything wrong, or is this a problem with the standard kernel included in openSUSE 11.2? Is there anything I can do about it? Not sure here. Very likely not your fault, but I would need to see a box where this happens myself to be 100% sure. Is this a common problem? I mean: why do I suffer from this and others not? Volker, Andrew Masterson answered in this thread, that he has the same problem, as me and that he places notify:inotify = false in [global] to avoid the spamming in /var/log/messages. If I understand correctly, with your solution I turn the problem off, but suffer from some compromise in functionality, while in Andrew's solution I actually do not turn the problem off, but just do not log it anymore. What solution should I prefer by your opinion, in terms of a rocksolid server configuration? Thank you for your help! Best regards Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba crashes floods logfiles: smbd/notify_inotify.c:244(inotify_handler) - No data on inotify fd?!
notify:inotify=false also disables the functionality. What solution should I prefer by your opinion, in terms of a rocksolid server configuration? Either. Ok! Thank you very much, Volker! Best regards from Greece Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
[Samba] Samba crashes floods logfiles: smbd/notify_inotify.c:244(inotify_handler) - No data on inotify fd?!
Dear Group members! Since I have set up a Samba PDC-Server (openSUSE 11.2-64bit with default package Samba 3.4.3) approx. 8 months ago, I have encountered 3 or 4 times a severe crash of Samba. What happens is that all over a sudden Samba floods /var/log/messages and /var/log/warn with the following message (cropped out date/time/servername, etc.): smbd[19724]: smbd/notify_inotify.c:244(inotify_handler) smbd[19724]: No data on inotify fd?! This message is being repeated until those 2 logfiles have filled up the /var partition. Samba is not responsive anymore and due to a filled up /var the whole server is malfunctioning. The only remedy that I had until today is to reboot the server and delete ../messages ../warn. Everything works fine then, until a few months later it occurs again without any obvious reason. I updated to Samba 3.5.6 (From the official openSUSE-Samba-Repository: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/network:/samba:/misc/openSUSE_11.2/noarch/) after the second time it occured, but it happened another 2 times after the update, too. Is there anybody out there who could help me with this one? I am thankful for any hint or peace of advice!! Best regards Tom H. Lautenbacher -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba crashes floods logfiles: smbd/notify_inotify.c:244(inotify_handler) - No data on inotify fd?!
On 2010-12-29 19:52, Tom H. Lautenbacher wrote: smbd[19724]: smbd/notify_inotify.c:244(inotify_handler) smbd[19724]: No data on inotify fd?! Here is my /etc/samba/smb.conf (all default values and comments are cropped automatically by SWAT): [global] workgroup = SOMEGROUPNAME.SGN server string = max open files = 1 add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -c SambaMachine -g sambamachines -G -d /dev/null/ -s /bin/false %u logon script = %G.bat logon path = \\%N\profiles\%U\%a logon drive = z: domain logons = Yes os level = 255 preferred master = Yes domain master = Yes wins support = Yes hosts allow = 10.31.40.0/255.255.255.0 hosts deny = 10.31.40.1 follow symlinks = No [homes] comment = Home directory valid users = %S, %D%w%S write list = %S, %D%w%S force group = root create mask = 0600 directory mask = 0700 browseable = No [profiles] comment = Windows User Profiles path = /somepath/somedir force group = root read only = No create mask = 0600 directory mask = 0700 map archive = No map readonly = no store dos attributes = Yes browseable = No [netlogon] comment = User logon scripts path = /var/lib/samba/netlogon browseable = No followed by some custom shares for normal data... -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
[Samba] PDC unreliable - Connection interruptions, many error messages
Dear Group members! I am having problems with my Samba PDC setup since many months, concerning the reliability of the connections from the client to the server. I am thankful for any hint or advice Best regards Tom The symptoms on my Windows 7 64bit client: - My Roaming profile in 1 out of 10 times does not get synchronized correctly without any obvious reason - When I edit a document (e.g. word .docx) which is located on a samba-share, sometimes when I want to save it to a new (!) file name word says that it can't save to the new file name because the document is in use by someone else (what can't be since I chose a NEW file name!). Word creates the new file name anyway, but it remains 0kb. When I select save again and chose to overwrite the new 0kb file, it does it without any problem. When I am working for some hours on a document this occurs in about 2 out of 10 times that I want to save the document to a new file name. (e.g. changing from File 0.4.docx to File 0.5.docx - Sometimes the connection to the PDC get's lost in the middle of a day's session. Thus all my network drives get disconnected and I have to reboot the client to get connected again. If in this time I had Outlook 2007 opened (my outlook.pst lives on a network share, too), I have to close Outlook and reboot to be able to edit anything in Outlook again. Error messages in /var/log/messages: Since day 1 of my Samba-Installation I am having a lot of errors logged in my /var/log/messages. I upgraded from 3.4.3 to 3.5.6, but no change. I am assuming that those errormessages have to do something with the symptoms that I am suffering. Some of those messages even occur, when a openSUSE-11.3-client uses the domain (as a Domain Member)! Here are some examples (grouped together per occurrence): smbd[5873]: [2010/04/30 00:31:06, 0] rpc_server/srv_netlog_nt.c:603(_netr_ServerAuthenticate3) smbd[5873]: _netr_ServerAuthenticate3: netlogon_creds_server_check failed. Rejecting auth request from client WORKSTATIONA machine account WORKSTATIONA$ smbd[5873]: [2010/04/30 00:31:32, 0] lib/util_sock.c:539(read_fd_with_timeout) smbd[5873]: getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected smbd[5873]: read_fd_with_timeout: client 0.0.0.0 read error = Connection reset by peer. smbd[25274]: getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected smbd[25274]: write_data: write failure in writing to client 0.0.0.0. Error Connection reset by peer smbd[25274]: [2010/12/29 16:39:25.780295, 0] smbd/process.c:79(srv_send_smb) smbd[25274]: Error writing 131 bytes to client. -1. (Transport endpoint is not connected) smbd[25238]: [2010/12/29 16:39:25.780682, 0] lib/util_sock.c:675(write_data) smbd[25238]: [2010/12/29 16:39:25.780754, 0] lib/util_sock.c:1432(get_peer_addr_internal) smbd[21246]: getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected smbd[21246]: write_data: write failure in writing to client 0.0.0.0. Error Broken pipe smbd[21246]: [2010/12/29 16:39:25.781201, 0] smbd/process.c:79(srv_send_smb) smbd[21246]: Error writing 75 bytes to client. -1. (Transport endpoint is not connected) smbd[21246]: [2010/12/29 16:39:25.781450, 0] lib/util_sock.c:675(write_data) smbd[21246]: [2010/12/29 16:39:25.781523, 0] lib/util_sock.c:1432(get_peer_addr_internal) WORKSTATIONB enters the network. It is NOT a Domain Member: smbd[8267]: [2010/12/29 18:14:41.651707, 0] rpc_server/srv_netlog_nt.c:475(get_md4pw) smbd[8267]: get_md4pw: Workstation WORKSTATIONB$: no account in domain smbd[8267]: [2010/12/29 18:14:41.651921, 0] rpc_server/srv_netlog_nt.c:692(_netr_ServerAuthenticate3) smbd[8267]: _netr_ServerAuthenticate3: failed to get machine password for account WORKSTATIONB$: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED WORKSTATIONA logs on. It IS a domain Member: smbd[8501]: [2010/12/29 18:21:24.207138, 0] rpc_server/srv_netlog_nt.c:714(_netr_ServerAuthenticate3) smbd[8501]: _netr_ServerAuthenticate3: netlogon_creds_server_check failed. Rejecting auth request from client WORKSTATIONA machine account WORKSTATIONA$ smbd[8501]: [2010/12/29 18:21:31.716442, 0] auth/auth_sam.c:493(check_sam_security) smbd[8501]: check_sam_security: make_server_info_sam() failed with 'NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_USER' QUESTIONS: 1. Why do I get all those error messages? 2. What do they mean? 3. Are they related with my symptoms? 4. How do I cure this? 5. Could it be that this is related with my other posting (Samba crashes floods logfiles: smbd/notify_inotify.c:244(inotify_handler) - No data on inotify fd?!)? My smb.conf (all default values and comments are cropped automatically by SWAT): [global] workgroup = SOMEGROUPNAME.SGN server string = max open files = 1 add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -c
Re: [Samba] Samba crashes floods logfiles: smbd/notify_inotify.c:244(inotify_handler) - No data on inotify fd?!
On 2010-12-29 21:43, Volker Lendecke wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 07:52:58PM +0200, Tom H. Lautenbacher wrote: What happens is that all over a sudden Samba floods /var/log/messages and /var/log/warn with the following message smbd[19724]: smbd/notify_inotify.c:244(inotify_handler) smbd[19724]: No data on inotify fd?! As far as I know there's a kernel problem. Try kernel change notify = no. The catch is that you won't see the changes done by Unix process. Hello Volker, thank you very much for your time! I looked up kernel change notify in the manpage of smb.conf and have some questions: 1a). Is it correct that kernel change notify is a per share setting and not in the [global] section, so that I will have to put this setting in each of my share-definitions? 1b). If it is not a [global] but a per-share-setting: Do I have place this setting only in all sections of my custom shares or also in the special shares [homes], [profiles] [netlogon]? 2. Is it correct that if I do insert kernel change notify = No to my shares, that I won't be able to see changes in the folders from my Windows Clients, but I will have to manually trigger a refresh (F5) each time I want to see if changes have occured? E.g. if many users save files to a share, I won't see those new files until I trigger a refresh manually? Or is it only concerning the changes that a linux-process might have performed, e.g. a cronjob that copied a file into a share? 3. Did I do anything wrong, or is this a problem with the standard kernel included in openSUSE 11.2? Is there anything I can do about it? 4. Is this problem in any kind related to my other problem posted in this list with subject PDC unreliable - Connection interruptions, many error messages at 2010-12-29 - 21:15 EET? Thank you for any info about this! Best regards Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Long delays when launching programs for the first timein my Windows 7 Profile (Samba 3.4.3 as PDC)
*SOLVED* Hello TMSIII, hello all Thank you all for all your help and advice that you provided me! I did analyze with sysinternals process related tools and saw that the system does absolutely nothing suspicious in the long freeze-times. Everything seemed just idle and waiting for nothing. maybe some antivirus interaction? Will check with sysinternals but assume no, because oft he locally-is-everything-fine thing. This was the hint that lead me directly to the problem. Although I had the same thought as TMIII (can't be any software's fault, since it locally-everything-is-fine), I took the idea of TMSIII and tried it out and deactivated the antivirus/firewall tool (Kaspersky Internet Security (KIS) 2010). Result: Everything worked like a charm! So the problem was the antivirus/firewall suite and not Samba, DNS or any other network daemon. Kaspersky support guided me to a setting in the firewall of KIS (set local network from local network to trusted network). Since then all programs start quickly as they should, even in the roaming profiles. For some reason this setting never affected local profiles but only roaming profiles. I do not know why. I did not try it out yet, but I expect that the very long creation times for new profiles has exactly the same cause, as the very long startup of first-time-launches of software. So I assume that this problem is gone now, too. So finally it was indeed a problem which had nothing at all to do with Samba, but only with general networking and firewalling. Thank you all! Best regards Tom From: t...@tms3.com [mailto:t...@tms3.com] Sent: Donnerstag, 1. Juli 2010 00:16 To: Linda W Cc: Tom H. Lautenbacher; samba@lists.samba.org Subject: [?? Probable Spam] Re: [Samba] Long delays when launching programs for the first timein my Windows 7 Profile (Samba 3.4.3 as PDC) Well -- not exactly -- I have almost the same symptom -- but on logout -- it takes up to 45 minutes for my Win7 profile to be copied to my PDC. But I've tried Samba 3.5.2, 3.5.3 and 3.5.3. Hey...that's something to try. Try the latest released version and see if you have the same symptoms/problems! I've not had these problems. (I don't call it a problem if someone with a 10GB profile has slow login logout times...anywho). But I typically place profiles on a mount that does not have ACL's turned on. More recently on ZFS volumes. Be interesting to see network traffic. TMS III But I am using both a Win7-64 and WinXP client to log into my PDC and generate continuous havoc. Just wait until you try using winbind to authenticate security on your linux PDC! Ha! Warning -- keep a rescue disk around in case you get locked out of your system! ;^] On top of roaming profiles, I used the group policy client to create roaming profiles for all clients -- even if they were not part of the domain! (this was when I was having problems joining my computers to the domain reliably). Anyway -- I have long logins on Win7 (~ 4-5 minutes, vs. about 20 seconds on XP). Where I get the real long pauses are on logout -- I've seen it finsh after 45 minutes one time -- the clients are communicating to the PDC but at speeds usually 100K/s. I know that it is not likely to be samba's fault in regards to the speed, since I get *up to* 100MB read/write to samba during benchmark testing. maybe some antivirus interaction? Will check with sysinternals but assume no, because oft he locally-is-everything-fine thing. the login/logouts -- read about them on MS's website...look up under profile loading ... it talks about how multi-gig profiles will really slow down first time loading. As I wrote, I am having the problem with FRESH CREATED profiles, which are just a few kilobytes of size! --- Ok -- that's just weird. No argument! If you think it is a network problem, use wireshark -- it will let you observe the network traffic. (google it) it's also free. Thank you Linda. You need to become familiar with all these diagnotic tools (that and get yourself a procmail email filter so you can filter out all the garbage from all the email groups you have to subscribe to to just keep things working!)... Do you know a good windows-alternative to procmail? Isn't the new outlook 2010 able to group emails into threads? You can run all the linux utils -- including procmail under cygwin on windows. I missed all the linux utils so much -- I installed cygwin on windows 7 years ago and haven't done without it since! You can even run a local IMAP server on your windows box -- let your windows box download all your email from your ISP -- then connect to the local server with Outlook or Thunderbird and use IMAP. OR -- better -- use your server as an email server as well! My server downloads my email from my ISP (see linux util 'fetchmail'), then it calls my filter script (or it could call procmail). It also calls spamassassin before it tries to deliver
Re: [Samba] Long delays when launching programs for the first time in my Windows 7 Profile (Samba 3.4.3 as PDC)
I do not think that it is neither intended by MS nor normal to take so long. I am using roaming profiles in a network with Vista64Business clients. Although the users (mainly image processing work on a professional level) tend to have rather huge user profiles (100MB-2 GB is normal, the max what I had seen was 32GB), those login/logouts are actually speedy compared to the Win7-64-pro userprofile that I have just freshly created and that is only a few kilobytes in size. A second thing is that the problem concerns only the initial creation of the Win7 profile; it takes approx. 40 minutes). All subsequent logins/logouts are very fast and take approx. only 10-20 seconds. The comparison of those values shows that it is more but just an delay because of the creation of some kilobytes of files. The third thing is that I am having the same problem with programs that I start. Programs that are installed locally on the client! When I am starting them for the first time, I am having a delay of 5-10 Minutes until the program starts. The subsequent times I start the program, it starts instantly. I am guessing that the problem has something to do with DNS or other network-layer issues. Or maybe it is the Client searching for something on the Samba server that is not existing?? It seems like the workstation Is sending some query to samba and then waits ages for a timeout or something. There is almost no network traffic the time that I am waiting Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba Forum vs. Mailing List?`!
Hi Linda! I wanted to ask if there is an official Samba Forum No need? Why do you need a forum with a mailing list? Because a forum IMHO has certain advantages over a mailing list. Forums are non-standard. Mailing lists have software to process them in many ways. Many are archived -- not something you get with forums. @Standard: Yes, I agree. This is a disadvantage for forums in comparison to other means of communication, such as mailing lists or usenet-news. @Software: What software is there and in which ways can you process mails? @Archive: Anybody running a forum can decide on his own, if he wants to archive things or not. Forums seems to be a 'windows' thing for users when companies want to be able to ignore their user base. Emails cause the companies too much headache because the user's emails end up in employee inboxes and cause distractions from doing real work, so they try to put users in forums, so they won't distract the companies' employees. U, well.. I am self employed and feel distracted and annoyed by all those useless emails from all those mailing-lists that I have to attend, too. My opinion is: Every means of communication has it's functional range. Mailing lists are existing since many years. They were perfect in those pioneer years, when a small group of people worked together on a small thing: Everyone needed to be informed about everything and everybody had to discuss everything. Until today mailing lists serve such small development groups very good. But as projects grow bigger and the group of users with them, IMHO there arises the need for further means of communication. Speaking for me: I am a Samba user since about 2002, using Samba as Administrator of some small-midsized Networks. I do not contribute code or help developing. From time to time I am having a problem with implementing Samba and need quick advice and help. For me now to get help, I needed to subscribe to this mailing list. From this moment on I received approx. 20 emails which do not concern me or my problem. I do not know the answer to all of those questions either, so I can't help anybody. I am just annoyed and bothered by my mailbox getting literally spammed. Since Samba is not the only open source community who's mailing list I am attending, I am receiving daily approx. 30-40 of those emails. For my case a forum would server much better. I could go there, post my question and subscribe to my thread, getting email-notification just about my question. Furthermore I could quickly browse the forum to see, if there are any open topics where I think that I could help someone else out. Given that the forum settings are saving all postings for ever, the whole forum would serve everybody as a very valuable knowledge base, making it easy to find answers for common problems, without bugging anybody or spamming everybody with the 10,000 versions of the same question. Both means of communication can easily live in harmony! Developers or hard core members, who need to stay in touch very intensively and want to participate to ALL communication can continue participating at the mailing list (although it would be easily possible to just subscribe to an analogue topic in the forum and get automatically all messages, but anyway..). Another great plus of Forums is the possibility to use HTML and other functionality. Well I know guys, all hardcore old-school guys among you roll their eyes, because you love plain text stuff. But the reality is that it does make sense and does bring communication again to a much higher level of productivity, when you are able e.g. to implement screenshots or diagrams to your answers, instead of having to e.g. draw a network diagram with ASCII art... Well there are many pros and cons to everything. Fact is, that I am having a problem with Samba to that I can't find any information, but instead get spammed with 30 emails that do not really concern me. Fact is that although Windows 7 is out for a long time now, I had to find all the information about the needed registry patches in some other forums or spread over some archived mailing-list fragments, hard to read and difficult to find. A decent userforum/knowledgebase would have served in a much more efficient way! So my final question: If I would help making a Samba-Forum, would there be anybody here who would appreciate and would like to use it? Would the official guys among you want to implement it to the samba-homepage? All the best Tom H. Lautenbacher -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba Forum vs. Mailing List?`!
Hi Norberto, You cannot have an offline archive of a forum. That makes forums completely useless (at least for me.) Well you can, but I agree that it is very inconvenient to do so. There's no way someone can delete emails from my machines. I agree. Forums admins can -and actually DO- delete offensive messages from forums. This depends the admin and the forum. If we would do our very own Samba-Forum it would be up to us witch rules we play.. Forums require more resources. Well yes, but I think that this someone can neglect because the need for resources is quite limited. Why do you want a forum? My arguments FOR a forum are: 1. If you come to Samba (or any other community project) as a NEW user, you could find all the previous information and communication nicely organized in the forum. The forum serves as a knowledgebase, which helps new users to integrate quickly and supports them in getting the things setup without pain. You can find the threads sorted in different subject-categories and start browsing them, or you can start a forum search, which has a much higher relevance of results, than a global google search. Opposed to this: If you join NEW to a mailing list initially you do not find ANYTHING, but have to start collecting emails in a personal archive over the years (as you do). But if you need certain information NOW, the only alternative is to do a Google-Search which is very sub-optimal to do, compared to a forum search, or the logical division of subjects in a Forum. As a result what a mailing list does is: It servers super for long-time members of a project, who have collected all emails over the last past years on their private harddisks and it makes it very difficult for new users to access information. It serves well to the hard core of a project but makes unnecessary barriers for newcomers. 2. Forum software commonly enables the threads to be enriched with binary or with html-code. Thus explanations/help/etc. can be enriched with screenshots, photos, links, diagrams, etc. 3. A Forum has the advantage that I can subscribe to certain subjects! E.g. I can say: Send me all future postings about Windows 7 Samba PDC. 4. And last but not least: Since a forum does not only gather messages but also users, with profiles, maybe even pictures, etc. helps community-spirit-building, a subject that gains importance those days. As for the CONS: I know them all. It is exactly the same discussion as with the never-ending comparison of Usenet (News servers) and Webforums. As for hybrid solutions: Also for newsservers there are exsting webfrontends. But it remains to be sub-optimal, because if you keep all the restrictions of the mailinglist (e.g. no binary) then also the forum losses it's sense. My preferred solution would be: Many people - many different needs and preferences - many means of communication. Some use email, some use telefax. Why not have a mailing list AND a forum? Some other user claimed that this would divide the users. Well yes, it would. It would divide the users in mailinglist-users, forum-users and both-users. This is not optimal, I know. But for the moment the mailing-list divides, too! It divides in mailing-list-users and users that walk away again from Samba. Think about it! All the best, Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba Forum vs. Mailing List?`!
Hello John I wanted to ask if there is an official Samba Forum No, but there is a WiKi: http://wiki.samba.org A Wiki is IMHO a GREAT thing. But a wiki is the database that gathers the RESULTS of discussions, i.e. the SOLUTIONS to problems. A wiki is a great 2nd step to place ready solutions, FAQs, howtos, etc. after having solved the PROBLEMS in e.g. a forum, a newsgroup or a mailing list. There are also the #samba and #samba-technical IRC channels. An IRC channel is right the opposite direction I would like to go: It makes the communication even more interactive and even more temporary, than a mailing list. I guess that what you are really arguing for is a quick, free, source of advice that meets your preferences for format and communications method. There are plenty of commercial support providers for Samba from whom you could almost certainly obtain quick and accurate advice. That is a key difference between free advice sources and commercial ones. No I do not want any commercial support. I want structured information at my fingertips :-) By definition, in a communications world where everyone's voice is equal there is a mass of mis-information. The challenge faced by the consumer of free information is the burden of filtering out the noise. That burden applies to a mailing list as well as to a forum or a WiKi. FACK. In addition to the mass of incorrect information, most public and free information sources (for example Google search) will readily help you to locate people who have a problem, but few who post the solution. There are two key reasons for this: a) By the time the problem has been solved there is pressure to move on. Problem gone, so forget the agony - move on. Well this is an interesting point. I have to say that for me I have recognized the following psychological effect, and I assume that this applies to others, too: I am realizing a higher will to contribute my solutions afterwards to the community, if I have the impression that my effort is going to be existing somewhere permanent, and not to be something of temporary character.. This is why I love to contribute to wikis, too. draw a network diagram with ASCII art... That's why we have the WiKi. http://wiki.samba.org The wiki is a very good thing! But it is another means of communication that again for itself serves other demands of communication. It serves the archiving of ready solutions, not the finding of those. But solutions found in discussion forum can be quite easily transformed to an entry in a wiki. If you want editing rights - just ask. A wiki should have editing rights for everyone. See Wikipedia. Otherwise it loses a great deal of it's idea and of it's power and momentum. Well there are many pros and cons to everything. Fact is, that I am having a problem with Samba to that I can't find any information, but instead get spammed with 30 emails that do not really concern me. Fact is that although Windows 7 is out for a long time now, I had to find all the information about the needed registry patches in some other forums or spread over some archived mailing-list fragments, hard to read and difficult to find. A decent userforum/knowledgebase would have served in a much more efficient way! Have you read the on-line documentation from the Samba web site? http://www.samba.org/samba/docs Yes. So my final question: If I would help making a Samba-Forum, would there be anybody here who would appreciate and would like to use it? Would the official guys among you want to implement it to the samba-homepage? Firstly, you do not need permission to create a Samba-Forum. If that is your passion - just do it. Secondly, what do you mean by official guys? Send me the link to your Samba-Forum and I will add it to the Samba web site. If you really need a blessing we can arrange that, but it will cost extra. :-) (Joking!!!). Well yes, sure, nobody could stop me in making some unofficial Samba-Userforum on my server. But for a forum to prosper and to become truly a great thing, it is necessary that it becomes the official forum of a project. The Samba-Forum - not the unofficial forum no. 2010320 out of 300 of some private internet nerd. With official guys I mean the core team that decides e.g. what is part of the Samba Project site www.samba.org. A plain link would not be enough to become the official forum. It should be fully integrated into the website of samba.org, becoming a part of it (no matter on what server the forum actually lives!) And then secondly it would need you guys actually want it! Because it will be up to you - the existing and already involved Samba users - to start using the forum so that it might attract others - new samba users - to join. If no one over here is actually interested in such a forum, then the whole effort is doomed right from the beginning. Best regards Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the
Re: [Samba] Long delays when launching programs for the first time in my Windows 7 Profile (Samba 3.4.3 as PDC)
Ok I think it helps if I summarize my problem: Client: Windows 7 Professional, 64bit, English Server: openSUSE 11.2, running Samba 3.4.3 as a PDC Login as Local user: = First time login: Profile is being created very fast Further logins: Profile is being loaded very fast First time launch of software: Instant startup of software Further launches of software: Instant startup of software Login as domain user: = First time login: Profile creation takes AGES (30-50 minutes) Further logins: Profile is being loaded very fast (10-20 seconds) First time launch of locally installed software: Startup of software takes ages (approx 3-6 minutes) Further launches of locally installed software: Instant startup of software I'd ask on one of the windows groups -- maybe some MVP would know. Ok! that or try tracing the actions with the 'sysinternal' tools (at the ms website now)...you can use 'process monitor' to see what a process is doing -- shows you network registry and file accesses -- and its free. Their creator works for MS now ...type in sysinternals.com -- it redirects to the microsoft website now. Thank you I will check that out! I doubt it's samba -- since no one else is seeing that symptom... I think it is, since I am having this effect only when using my roaming profile! But I think that the group of users using the following combination: Samba 3.4.3 Windows 7-64bit Samba as a PDC roaming profiles using this mailing list being able to report the problem is very limited until today.. maybe some antivirus interaction? Will check with sysinternals but assume no, because oft he locally-is-everything-fine thing. the login/logouts -- read about them on MS's website...look up under profile loading ... it talks about how multi-gig profiles will really slow down first time loading. As I wrote, I am having the problem with FRESH CREATED profiles, which are just a few kilobytes of size! If you think it is a network problem, use wireshark -- it will let you observe the network traffic. (google it) it's also free. Thank you Linda. You need to become familiar with all these diagnotic tools (that and get yourself a procmail email filter so you can filter out all the garbage from all the email groups you have to subscribe to to just keep things working!)... Do you know a good windows-alternative to procmail? Isn't the new outlook 2010 able to group emails into threads? Seriously -- I have nearly 80 email groups I sub to...if I didn't filter I'd just 'lose it'...but they all go into folders and I read them when I want...if I don't, I have them setup to automatically expire after a few months... it's just like a forum, but bettersince it's all in one place! :-) Well I am attending to about 20 forums and I am having everything in one place too: My email-mailbox as soon as I am getting an answer to my postings :-) But not 1 other emails that need further processing ;-) Good luck...! Lemmy know if I can point you at any tools -- look for open source ones (or MS supported ones)... that way you have less to worry about in the way of viruses! :-) Ok, thank you! Cheers, Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Long delays when launching programs for the first time in my Windows 7 Profile (Samba 3.4.3 as PDC)
Ok I think it helps if I summarize my problem: Client: Windows 7 Professional, 64bit, English Server: openSUSE 11.2, running Samba 3.4.3 as a PDC Login as Local user: = First time login: Profile is being created very fast Further logins: Profile is being loaded very fast First time launch of software: Instant startup of software Further launches of software: Instant startup of software Login as domain user: = First time login: Profile creation takes AGES (30-50 minutes) Further logins: Profile is being loaded very fast (10-20 seconds) First time launch of locally installed software: Startup of software takes ages (approx 3-6 minutes) Further launches of locally installed software: Instant startup of software I'd ask on one of the windows groups -- maybe some MVP would know. Ok! that or try tracing the actions with the 'sysinternal' tools (at the ms website now)...you can use 'process monitor' to see what a process is doing -- shows you network registry and file accesses -- and its free. Their creator works for MS now ...type in sysinternals.com -- it redirects to the microsoft website now. Thank you I will check that out! I doubt it's samba -- since no one else is seeing that symptom... I think it is, since I am having this effect only when using my roaming profile! But I think that the group of users using the following combination: Samba 3.4.3 Windows 7-64bit Samba as a PDC roaming profiles using this mailing list being able to report the problem is very limited until today.. maybe some antivirus interaction? Will check with sysinternals but assume no, because oft he locally-is-everything-fine thing. the login/logouts -- read about them on MS's website...look up under profile loading ... it talks about how multi-gig profiles will really slow down first time loading. As I wrote, I am having the problem with FRESH CREATED profiles, which are just a few kilobytes of size! If you think it is a network problem, use wireshark -- it will let you observe the network traffic. (google it) it's also free. Thank you Linda. You need to become familiar with all these diagnotic tools (that and get yourself a procmail email filter so you can filter out all the garbage from all the email groups you have to subscribe to to just keep things working!)... Do you know a good windows-alternative to procmail? Isn't the new outlook 2010 able to group emails into threads? Seriously -- I have nearly 80 email groups I sub to...if I didn't filter I'd just 'lose it'...but they all go into folders and I read them when I want...if I don't, I have them setup to automatically expire after a few months... it's just like a forum, but bettersince it's all in one place! :-) Well I am attending to about 20 forums and I am having everything in one place too: My email-mailbox as soon as I am getting an answer to my postings :-) But not 1 other emails that need further processing ;-) Good luck...! Lemmy know if I can point you at any tools -- look for open source ones (or MS supported ones)... that way you have less to worry about in the way of viruses! :-) Ok, thank you! Cheers, Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba Forum vs. Mailing List?`!
Hello Helmut, No I do not want any commercial support. I want structured information at my fingertips :-) You get what you pay for. With all respect, but what you write to me sounds like irony against the whole open source community idea. I certainly DO think that well structured information is something that an open source community is very well able to provide. Cheers Tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Long delays when launching programs for the first time in my Windows 7 Profile (Samba 3.4.3 as PDC)
Hello John, I am using roaming profiles with windows 7 64 and samba PDC / BDCs. I am not using 3.4.3 however. Currently we are running 3.5.4. I did have 3.4.6 for a few weeks just after the upgrade from 3.0.37 to support windows 7. I do not have the 40 minute initial logins. However it does take me 5 minutes to login and logout on a 100% gigabit network every single time not just the first time. At some point I will look into folder redirection on top of the trimming of the profiles that I have begun.. To me this sounds like a normal case of overcrowded user profiles. What I could witness in one of my networks (Samba 3 + Vista64Business) is that the userprofiles grew very huge even thoug literally ANY userspace data is being saved to those profiles. What I mean is: ALL data that the people at the workstations process is mounted on samba-shares on the server (which I connect via script as network drives to their profiles). But jet again the user profiles grew tremendously, reaching up to 32GB in one case, what resulted in 1h logon/logoff times. In my case the error was one of the programs that they used: Adobe Bridge. This program generates tons of cache data, which - senseless! - is being saved into the C:\Users\Username\appdata\roaming folder, instead of the C:\Users\Username\appdata\local folder. Another such program is Adobe Lightroom which generates huge thumbnail databases. Etc. What I want to say is: Have a look into the profiles and analyze what the source for growing profiles is, if you have placed normal userspace data already into normal shares so that they move out of the profile. All the best tom -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
[Samba] Samba Forum vs. Mailing List?`!
Hello everyone, I wanted to ask if there is an official Samba Forum, because I could not find any on the Project Page. If there isn't any, is there a particular reason for this not-existance? Best regards Tom H. Lautenbacher -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba Forum vs. Mailing List?`!
Hi Linda! I wanted to ask if there is an official Samba Forum No need? Why do you need a forum with a mailing list? Because a forum IMHO has certain advantages over a mailing list. Forums are non-standard. Mailing lists have software to process them in many ways. Many are archived -- not something you get with forums. @Standard: Yes, I agree. This is a disadvantage for forums in comparison to other means of communication, such as mailing lists or usenet-news. @Software: What software is there and in which ways can you process mails? @Archive: Anybody running a forum can decide on his own, if he wants to archive things or not. Forums seems to be a 'windows' thing for users when companies want to be able to ignore their user base. Emails cause the companies too much headache because the user's emails end up in employee inboxes and cause distractions from doing real work, so they try to put users in forums, so they won't distract the companies' employees. U, well.. I am self employed and feel distracted and annoyed by all those useless emails from all those mailing-lists that I have to attend, too. My opinion is: Every means of communication has it's functional range. Mailing lists are existing since many years. They were perfect in those pioneer years, when a small group of people worked together on a small thing: Everyone needed to be informed about everything and everybody had to discuss everything. Until today mailing lists serve such small development groups very good. But as projects grow bigger and the group of users with them, IMHO there arises the need for further means of communication. Speaking for me: I am a Samba user since about 2002, using Samba as Administrator of some small-midsized Networks. I do not contribute code or help developing. From time to time I am having a problem with implementing Samba and need quick advice and help. For me now to get help, I needed to subscribe to this mailing list. From this moment on I received approx. 20 emails which do not concern me or my problem. I do not know the answer to all of those questions either, so I can't help anybody. I am just annoyed and bothered by my mailbox getting literally spammed. Since Samba is not the only open source community who's mailing list I am attending, I am receiving daily approx. 30-40 of those emails. For my case a forum would server much better. I could go there, post my question and subscribe to my thread, getting email-notification just about my question. Furthermore I could quickly browse the forum to see, if there are any open topics where I think that I could help someone else out. Given that the forum settings are saving all postings for ever, the whole forum would serve everybody as a very valuable knowledge base, making it easy to find answers for common problems, without bugging anybody or spamming everybody with the 10,000 versions of the same question. Both means of communication can easily live in harmony! Developers or hard core members, who need to stay in touch very intensively and want to participate to ALL communication can continue participating at the mailing list (although it would be easily possible to just subscribe to an analogue topic in the forum and get automatically all messages, but anyway..). Another great plus of Forums is the possibility to use HTML and other functionality. Well I know guys, all hardcore old-school guys among you roll their eyes, because you love plain text stuff. But the reality is that it does make sense and does bring communication again to a much higher level of productivity, when you are able e.g. to implement screenshots or diagrams to your answers, instead of having to e.g. draw a network diagram with ASCII art... Well there are many pros and cons to everything. Fact is, that I am having a problem with Samba to that I can't find any information, but instead get spammed with 30 emails that do not really concern me. Fact is that although Windows 7 is out for a long time now, I had to find all the information about the needed registry patches in some other forums or spread over some archived mailing-list fragments, hard to read and difficult to find. A decent userforum/knowledgebase would have served in a much more efficient way! So my final question: If I would help making a Samba-Forum, would there be anybody here who would appreciate and would like to use it? Would the official guys among you want to implement it to the samba-homepage? All the best Tom H. Lautenbacher -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
[Samba] Long delays when launching programs for the first time in my Windows 7 Profile (Samba 3.4.3 as PDC)
Hello dear Samba users! My setup: = Server: - openSUSE 11.2 - 64 bit - Samba 3.4.3 running as PDC. Roaming profiles active - DNS Server (bind 9) - DHCP-Server, which dynamically updates the zone files of the DNS Client: - Windows 7 Professional - 64 bit, english My problems: = 1. The first time when I login a new user on the client, it takes very long (about 40 minutes!) until the login process is completed and the new profile is been created The next logins everything works perfect. 2. When I am in the user profile and start a new program for the first time, it takes again VERY long until this program finally launches (approx 5 minutes). Until then the system feels partially locked-up (many programs do not respond). When the program finally launched, everything works fast again All later launches of the program are performed with normal speed (=instantly) Has anybody got any solutions for this problem or any idas? If you need further information please do not hesitate to ask! Thanks for your time Tom H. Lautenbacher -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
