RE: [scifinoir2] 4400 Is Canceled
I was surprised that it was still on and that new episodes were being produced. Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:24 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 4400 Is Canceled They both came on every Sunday night twice at 9:00 and then 11:00 and then on Wednesday and Thursday at 11:00 pm as repeats. Occasionally they would show reruns 4400 on Scifi at 7:00 pm on Fridays. They hinted that they were canceling 4400 last summer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as the schedule? I hear that, it's why i lost track of both it and Deadzone. And even freakin' reruns aren't shown in order anymore, so you can't catch up on the off season like you used to be able to do.. -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] They kept bouncing it all over the place...No wonder why no one watched it Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah I think it was a case of nobody was watching this show. I can¹t think of 25 people I know, including this list, who were watching it. 4400 just seemed like a miniseries gone wild to me. Dead Zone as well. I really liked the first 2 seasons of Dead Zone, but it just seemed to fall off. On 12/21/07 9:55 AM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Skiffy's influence spreads, I see. :( Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Peters: 4400 Is Canceled http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=46613 http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0amp;id=46613 Scott Peters, creator of USA Network's The 4400, announced on the show's official forum that the series has been canceled. It's with great sadness that I pass along to you the information I've just received: The 4400 has been canceled, Peters wrote on Dec. 18. We've had a great time bringing you this story and submersing you in the lives of all these incredible characters. Thank you especially to the folks on the board here whose tireless devotion to the show is nothing short of remarkable. Cast member Jacqueline McKenzie posted her own reaction to the news on her MySpace.com page. I want to take this opportunity to thank everyone here for writing those petitions! she said, referring to a fan campaign to save the show. I know I speak for all the cast: We really appreciate the support and dedication of our fans! Thank you! Peters, who is also an executive producer, said that he broke the news to cast member Joel Gretsch. We had a great talk about what we all accomplished and how much we'll miss our family that is our crew and our cast ... and our fans, Peters wrote. But at least we got to go out with a bang! I had an awesome time directing the last episode. I think I got to make almost every single cast member cry (on camera). How much fun was that? Peters helmed the final episode of the series, The Great Leap Forward, which aired on Sept. 16, 2007. The show ran for four seasons on USA. (USA Network is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Comics to Film (Hughes Brothers)
Well, ³From Hell² was in 2001, so, unless there¹s something in the works now...I¹d say that was it. On 12/22/07 1:08 AM, tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Touching Evil was really good; From Hell was almost a masterpiece. I sure hope that is not the last we have seen from them. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree From Hell is the most accomplished movie the Hughes Brothers made. Working outside their comfort zone, they delivered the goods. Having demonstrated undeniable chops, they disappeared from the big screen. I had to go to IMDB.com to find out what happened to them. Apparently, they attempted to become mini-moguls, producing 12 episodes of something called Touching Evil on the USA network. http://www.filmstew.com/showArticle.aspx?ContentID=6250 But even this was THREE YEARS after From Hell was released. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Daryle yokozuna@ wrote: Interesting thing about ³From Hell². It is arguably the Hughes Brothers¹ greatest film. It was also their last. I think this is a great Johnny Depp performance, and if I¹m not mistaken, was the first of the whole ³Johnny does an accent well² roles. Heather Graham did not belong in this picture by any stretch of the imagination. To be fair, though, I have only seen two films where she DID belong, one was ³Lost In Space² (or as I like to call it, ³this group of actors all decided they wanted Ferraris and wanted a movie studio to pay for them all in cash² because this movie was absolutely not meant for anyone to really see it.), and ³Committed². Casey Affleck and the dark haired Wilson brother are also in ³Committed² making it one of the best parades of B-listers in recent film history. Truly something Showtime should be playing again and again. I¹m going to go out on a limb and suggest a picture that will make many of you cringe, but is worth seeing on DVD in the privacy of your own home, especially if you have like 8-13 year old kids in said home: ³The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen.² or, in Hollywood-ese: ³LXG². Yes, I know. Why? Because if you¹ve ever read the books, you¹ll see that they were trying to make this movie a slick version of those books. The adventure and excitement are actually IN this picture. The effects (and Sean Connery) kill it. This is a better comic book movie than either Fantastic Four picture. On 12/21/07 12:06 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I am vaguely remembering that I saw this but I may have to revisit it to refresh. B --- ravenadal ravenadal@ mailto:ravenadal%40yahoo.com wrote: Oh yeah! I forgot the Hughes Brothers' excellent From Hell, starring Johnny Depp. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com , Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I just saw the trailer for Hellboy 2. It looks to be every bit as good as the first one. I'll miss John Hurt but I think this could be truly fun B --- Daryle yokozuna@ wrote: I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made. I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and recently I saw, for the first time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The acting, well, is pretty horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, Punisher¹s worth a rental. On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman film was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as well and it got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved Hellboy. I really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first Spiderman. I wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them. Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of updating my netflix queue Bosco __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's
Re: [scifinoir2] Comics to Film
I thought Peter's dance was a highlight of the picture. That is to say, the whole picture was bad. I don't think anyone will be able to do a better picture than Spider Man 2. I'd hand the franchise off to another director at this point and let Raimi co-produce. When I hold Spiderman 3 against Rise of the Silver Surfer, I have to say that Rise is a better picture. Tim is trying to build a sense of friendship between the four, whereas Spiderman is just rehashing the same relationships and trying to dazzle us with effects. I do think that if there is to be a third Fantastic Four picture, Dwayne McDuffie and/or Reggie Hudlin simply HAVE to be brought in to write the script. Black Panther and Fantastic Four are simply two of the best books out right now, and Dwayne's writing in Justice League of America is GREAT stuff. Now that the basic stories have been told with these two franchises, it's time to take them to the next level, and I can't think of any better writers to handle the material. I believe a Dwayne McDuffie script can make Jessica Alba a better actress in the suit. Speaking of Alba, did anybody catch this movie with her and the Anakin Skywalker guy? It's a horror movie, and not just because the two of them are the stars (ba-DUM-bum). The movie is supposed to be about being awake during surgery, in fact I think it's called Awake or something like that. On 12/22/07 10:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, which was worse: Peter's strut down the street, winking at women, or Reed Richards' elasticized dance routine in Rise of the Silver Surfer? Both left me gagging. As for which movie was the worst, that's a tough one. I have no desire to see FF2 again, but it's shorter than Spidey 3, so maybe i'd choose it as a shorter term pain. But then, even at its worse Spidey 3 has better writing, acting, and character development than FF2, so i think it'd be my choice between the two. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I always loved the symbiote story and they trivialized it and treated it like an afterthought while totally destroying it with that strut you call the Stupid Saturday Night Fever thing. Up until now, I felt that Raimi was fantastic storyteller of the larger than life. After Spidey 3, I'm terrified at the thought of him helming the Hobbit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i thoroughly disliked it. Too long, too boring, too many plotlines, FX and CGI the worst of all the films--which is saying something, since as i said yesterday, the CGI has always disappointed me in teh Spidey films. The cardinal sins are that the Sandman really isn't used all that much in the film (not as much as we probably expected), and the amount of time Peter's atually in the black suit is incredibly short--at least, compared to what those eleventy million trailers led us to believe. He gets the suit, does that stupid Saturday Night Fever thing, punches out Osborn, and then dumps the symbiote. The way all those trailers were structured, i thought the bulk of the movie was going to deal with him slowly coming to realize the suit was changing him for the worst. in the comics, it was weeks or months before Peter tried to dispose of the symbiote. It was creepy: he'd put the suit on the chair next to his bed, then, while Peter was asleep, it would engulf him then go out web swinging all night, Peter still sound asleep inside. He'd wake up the next morning tired and sore, wondering what the hell was wrong. And after that, the next phase of the symbiote's life just left me cold. the whole Eddie Brock I-hate-Peter-WE-hate Peter arc was so quick I couldn't buy it either. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) I just saw Spiderman 3 a few weeks ago. Why did he feel so compared to tell so many potentially good stories in one film? Daryle wrote: I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made. I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and recently I saw, for the first time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The acting, well, is pretty horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, Punisher¹s worth a rental. On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, Bosco Boscowrote: On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman film was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as well and it got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved Hellboy. I really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first Spiderman. I wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them. Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of updating my netflix queue Bosco __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
And here is where the fandom line is sort of drawn. I have said this before, and I will say it again. I saw LOTR in a theater and I have never had such a good sleep outside of my own bed. I tried again with the second picture, and again, fell asleep. These just aren¹t my kind of stories. I can appreciate the production value, but I simply have never cared about these stories. So last year I watched all three on DVD, stayed awake, and was amazed at what I saw. Peter Jackson is a great filmmaker and tells stories better than many of his contemporaries. Raimi has done stories that I DO care about, and I have to say that he is remarkably inconsistent. Consistently FUNNY, but not exactly a string of classics. I like Sam himself more than the pictures he¹s done. WITH THE EXCEPTION of Spider Man 2. On 12/22/07 11:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i gotta disagree on Hellboy. That movie rocked. And some of the pieces: the initial magic working with Nazis, the religious dude, the look and feel of their headquarters, all show a deft hand with set design, FX, and even CGI. It's not a direct one-to-one correlation with the world of the Hobbit, but my point is the basic skillsets and abilities shown there can be adapted. I mean, after Blood Simple (think that was it) and The Frighteners, I never would have pegged Jackson to be right for LOTR, but New Line saw something in him... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:Gymfig%40aol.com In a message dated 12/22/2007 1:44:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net writes: for some reason I feel del Toro's immersion in fantasy (Pan's Labyrinth, Hell boy) would work, combined with his natural ebullience and childlike sense of wonder Pan had other theme intertwined in the movie. The Hobbit is not a mature prequel. Maybe he could do Tne Simarillion. Hellboy was a cheap comic book adaptation. It is good for the Sci Fi channel or FX. I don't see The Hobbit being a sci fi or FX kind of movie. The tone is too different. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
why do you think LOTR bored you at the theatre? what was the difference in your home viewing experience? -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] And here is where the fandom line is sort of drawn. I have said this before, and I will say it again. I saw LOTR in a theater and I have never had such a good sleep outside of my own bed. I tried again with the second picture, and again, fell asleep. These just aren¹t my kind of stories. I can appreciate the production value, but I simply have never cared about these stories. So last year I watched all three on DVD, stayed awake, and was amazed at what I saw. Peter Jackson is a great filmmaker and tells stories better than many of his contemporaries. Raimi has done stories that I DO care about, and I have to say that he is remarkably inconsistent. Consistently FUNNY, but not exactly a string of classics. I like Sam himself more than the pictures he¹s done. WITH THE EXCEPTION of Spider Man 2. On 12/22/07 11:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i gotta disagree on Hellboy. That movie rocked. And some of the pieces: the initial magic working with Nazis, the religious dude, the look and feel of their headquarters, all show a deft hand with set design, FX, and even CGI. It's not a direct one-to-one correlation with the world of the Hobbit, but my point is the basic skillsets and abilities shown there can be adapted. I mean, after Blood Simple (think that was it) and The Frighteners, I never would have pegged Jackson to be right for LOTR, but New Line saw something in him... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:Gymfig%40aol.com In a message dated 12/22/2007 1:44:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net writes: for some reason I feel del Toro's immersion in fantasy (Pan's Labyrinth, Hell boy) would work, combined with his natural ebullience and childlike sense of wonder Pan had other theme intertwined in the movie. The Hobbit is not a mature prequel. Maybe he could do Tne Simarillion. Hellboy was a cheap comic book adaptation. It is good for the Sci Fi channel or FX. I don't see The Hobbit being a sci fi or FX kind of movie. The tone is too different. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] 4400 Is Canceled
Why? I think the problem is that there were only 14 episodes every year and they do not promote them much except on USA. Reece Jennings wrote: I was surprised that it was still on and that new episodes were being produced. Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:24 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 4400 Is Canceled They both came on every Sunday night twice at 9:00 and then 11:00 and then on Wednesday and Thursday at 11:00 pm as repeats. Occasionally they would show reruns 4400 on Scifi at 7:00 pm on Fridays. They hinted that they were canceling 4400 last summer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as the schedule? I hear that, it's why i lost track of both it and Deadzone. And even freakin' reruns aren't shown in order anymore, so you can't catch up on the off season like you used to be able to do.. -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] They kept bouncing it all over the place...No wonder why no one watched it Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah I think it was a case of nobody was watching this show. I can¹t think of 25 people I know, including this list, who were watching it. 4400 just seemed like a miniseries gone wild to me. Dead Zone as well. I really liked the first 2 seasons of Dead Zone, but it just seemed to fall off. On 12/21/07 9:55 AM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Skiffy's influence spreads, I see. :( Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Peters: 4400 Is Canceled http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=46613 http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0amp;id=46613 Scott Peters, creator of USA Network's The 4400, announced on the show's official forum that the series has been canceled. It's with great sadness that I pass along to you the information I've just received: The 4400 has been canceled, Peters wrote on Dec. 18. We've had a great time bringing you this story and submersing you in the lives of all these incredible characters. Thank you especially to the folks on the board here whose tireless devotion to the show is nothing short of remarkable. Cast member Jacqueline McKenzie posted her own reaction to the news on her MySpace.com page. I want to take this opportunity to thank everyone here for writing those petitions! she said, referring to a fan campaign to save the show. I know I speak for all the cast: We really appreciate the support and dedication of our fans! Thank you! Peters, who is also an executive producer, said that he broke the news to cast member Joel Gretsch. We had a great talk about what we all accomplished and how much we'll miss our family that is our crew and our cast ... and our fans, Peters wrote. But at least we got to go out with a bang! I had an awesome time directing the last episode. I think I got to make almost every single cast member cry (on camera). How much fun was that? Peters helmed the final episode of the series, The Great Leap Forward, which aired on Sept. 16, 2007. The show ran for four seasons on USA. (USA Network is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings
Re: [scifinoir2] Comics to Film
I think we all just want Jackson :( [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: me too. you know, for some reason, even Raimi at his best still just isn't my choice for the Middle Earth world. Just doesn't seem the best possible fit to me. but hell, it's not as if my phone's ringing with anyone from Jackson's camp asking for my opinion! :) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I always loved the symbiote story and they trivialized it and treated it like an afterthought while totally destroying it with that strut you call the Stupid Saturday Night Fever thing. Up until now, I felt that Raimi was fantastic storyteller of the larger than life. After Spidey 3, I'm terrified at the thought of him helming the Hobbit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i thoroughly disliked it. Too long, too boring, too many plotlines, FX and CGI the worst of all the films--which is saying something, since as i said yesterday, the CGI has always disappointed me in teh Spidey films. The cardinal sins are that the Sandman really isn't used all that much in the film (not as much as we probably expected), and the amount of time Peter's atually in the black suit is incredibly short--at least, compared to what those eleventy million trailers led us to believe. He gets the suit, does that stupid Saturday Night Fever thing, punches out Osborn, and then dumps the symbiote. The way all those trailers were structured, i thought the bulk of the movie was going to deal with him slowly coming to realize the suit was changing him for the worst. in the comics, it was weeks or months before Peter tried to dispose of the symbiote. It was creepy: he'd put the suit on the chair next to his bed, then, while Peter was asleep, it would engulf him then go out web swinging all night, Peter still sound asleep inside. He'd wake up the next morning tired and sore, wondering what the hell was wrong. And after that, the next phase of the symbiote's life just left me cold. the whole Eddie Brock I-hate-Peter-WE-hate Peter arc was so quick I couldn't buy it either. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) I just saw Spiderman 3 a few weeks ago. Why did he feel so compared to tell so many potentially good stories in one film? Daryle wrote: I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made. I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and recently I saw, for the first time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The acting, well, is pretty horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, Punisher¹s worth a rental. On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, Bosco Boscowrote: On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman film was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as well and it got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved Hellboy. I really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first Spiderman. I wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them. Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of updating my netflix queue Bosco __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
You nailed it Keith. Hellboy is freakin fantastic. One of the best comic to fim adaptations ever. B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i gotta disagree on Hellboy. That movie rocked. And some of the pieces: the initial magic working with Nazis, the religious dude, the look and feel of their headquarters, all show a deft hand with set design, FX, and even CGI. It's not a direct one-to-one correlation with the world of the Hobbit, but my point is the basic skillsets and abilities shown there can be adapted. I mean, after Blood Simple (think that was it) and The Frighteners, I never would have pegged Jackson to be right for LOTR, but New Line saw something in him... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/22/2007 1:44:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: for some reason I feel del Toro's immersion in fantasy (Pan's Labyrinth, Hell boy) would work, combined with his natural ebullience and childlike sense of wonder Pan had other theme intertwined in the movie. The Hobbit is not a mature prequel. Maybe he could do Tne Simarillion. Hellboy was a cheap comic book adaptation. It is good for the Sci Fi channel or FX. I don't see The Hobbit being a sci fi or FX kind of movie. The tone is too different. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Comics to Film
I hope this idiotic dance routine is not a new trend in the Comics to film genre. While Spidey 3 was bad, it is in a different league than Silver Surfer. I saw glimpses of a good film in Spidey 3. Silver Surfer was just a mess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, which was worse: Peter's strut down the street, winking at women, or Reed Richards' elasticized dance routine in Rise of the Silver Surfer? Both left me gagging. As for which movie was the worst, that's a tough one. I have no desire to see FF2 again, but it's shorter than Spidey 3, so maybe i'd choose it as a shorter term pain. But then, even at its worse Spidey 3 has better writing, acting, and character development than FF2, so i think it'd be my choice between the two. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I always loved the symbiote story and they trivialized it and treated it like an afterthought while totally destroying it with that strut you call the Stupid Saturday Night Fever thing. Up until now, I felt that Raimi was fantastic storyteller of the larger than life. After Spidey 3, I'm terrified at the thought of him helming the Hobbit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i thoroughly disliked it. Too long, too boring, too many plotlines, FX and CGI the worst of all the films--which is saying something, since as i said yesterday, the CGI has always disappointed me in teh Spidey films. The cardinal sins are that the Sandman really isn't used all that much in the film (not as much as we probably expected), and the amount of time Peter's atually in the black suit is incredibly short--at least, compared to what those eleventy million trailers led us to believe. He gets the suit, does that stupid Saturday Night Fever thing, punches out Osborn, and then dumps the symbiote. The way all those trailers were structured, i thought the bulk of the movie was going to deal with him slowly coming to realize the suit was changing him for the worst. in the comics, it was weeks or months before Peter tried to dispose of the symbiote. It was creepy: he'd put the suit on the chair next to his bed, then, while Peter was asleep, it would engulf him then go out web swinging all night, Peter still sound asleep inside. He'd wake up the next morning tired and sore, wondering what the hell was wrong. And after that, the next phase of the symbiote's life just left me cold. the whole Eddie Brock I-hate-Peter-WE-hate Peter arc was so quick I couldn't buy it either. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) I just saw Spiderman 3 a few weeks ago. Why did he feel so compared to tell so many potentially good stories in one film? Daryle wrote: I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made. I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and recently I saw, for the first time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The acting, well, is pretty horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, Punisher¹s worth a rental. On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, Bosco Boscowrote: On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman film was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as well and it got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved Hellboy. I really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first Spiderman. I wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them. Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of updating my netflix queue Bosco __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
I'm the industry expert? Me, who from Philly forgot about Smith's Production company? I do not think so. Thanks though. I really do not know how they got together. I think if we fans were not so hungry for more of the the magic that Jackson created with the Lord of the Ring series. Since the Hobbit is part of the same world he created with the Lord of the Ring series, we can't bear the thought of someone else doing it. I think if Raimi and Jackson were teaming up for something else, prior to his Spidey 3 debacle, we would be extremely excited. Separate from the Hobbit project, I think they make an intriguing combination. They could make great movies together [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i only saw part of Pan's Labyrinth, but it was awesome. his vision and outre imagination are something else. You know, as a child del Toro literally had waking dreams, where he saw some of the very images that he'd later put into movies, but in his real life. Not sure what the condition was (is?) but that helped shape his imagination. Tracey, you're the film industry expert, getting all the inside dope. i'm curious as to how the Jackson - Raimi connection came about. Are they friends? Have they collaborated on anything in the past? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I forgot the Children of Men guy did Potter as well. In that case, I would say he is an excellent choice if we could not have Peter Jackson. I would also trust Del Toro's vision over Raimi these days. I have not Seen Pan Labyrinth. While the critics rave, most people I know who have seen it don't get that excited by it. What did you think about Pan's Labyrinth? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for some reason I feel del Toro's immersion in fantasy (Pan's Labyritnth, Hell boy) would work, combined with his natural ebullience and childlike sense of wonder. To use wholly inaccurate words, i just feel he's a more mature fantasy director than Raimi would be, even though both are on the dark side. I've never seen any Potter film past the first one, but my other choice Cuaron got props for his work on the Potter film he did -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] The think del Toro is dark on the order of Raimi and Burton, however, I won't argue against the idea that he has vision. Children of men is fantastic, but I can't see what about his work makes you think he would be good for the Hobbit. I've only seen one Harry Potter all the way through, but I would say the imagery could work. What do you think of that guy's storytelling? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's why i said Raimi wouldn't be my first choice. I'd go with one of the two Mexican directors who've shown with Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy, Children of Men, and Harry Potter that they can balance all the aspects required of such a film as one based on The Hobbit -- Original message -- From: tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally I want Jackson, but I was trying to come up with someone who had the imagination for it. I agree he is probalby way to dark, but i do not think he is any worse than Raimi --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:27:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about Tim Burton? Tracy, If I could I would come through this computer and slap you silly for that. LOL!!! Johnny Depp would be an awful choice for Bilbo. Bilbo would be a drunken hairy odd little man with peculiar tastes. Depp would basically be playing himself. You do understand that if we get Burton we also get Helen Bohman Carter. She would revise her role in Merlin. *Shudder* **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
Chris says it will be a cold day in hell before you ever see catch him on camera doing the powerpuff dance. But he'd be happy to catch me and Kira doing it. However, last wee,k during our family tree trimming gathering, Kira put the Christmas tree skirt on his shoulders and gave him a big candy cane for an septre shouting King Daddy Christmas We just got that flip camera, so I got my my brother in law to take video of the Christmas King. . So... anything is possible. Such great blackmail material. Unfortunately, now he is out for revenge. I'm scared. I do a lot of goofy stuff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: awesome! so, when do we get to see you, Chris, and Kira on You Tube doing the deMorsella Super Power Family Dance!! Power Puff Girls is awesome. No one-adult or child--can watch that silly show without laughing -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ohhh! I was about to start really hating Raimi. The Dance - my daughter really loves the Grinch and she loves to dance. She likes me to dance with her, so its this thing we do. She just discovered Power Puff Girls and seems to have created a dance that show too. This dance has sound effects that she shares with people that she meets as she explains to them that she is a Powerpuff girl. After telling me she hating them (prior to viewing it) after she saw it, we had to see the same episode four times. She has got a thing for Super heroes, so I knew that a dance would be forthcoming with this one. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no sorry, i changed films and directors, and should have noted that. Ron Howard did the Grinch; i was simply comparing the styles of films, both of which gave me headaches of color overload... what's up with the dance? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] He did the Grinch?!?!?!?!? My daughter has been torturing me with that crap all week. What a mess. What was he on. It was so hard to watch the piggy people and he does not seem to know what shade of red and green are used for Christmas colors. I agree, that the cartoon is a classic. I almost did not mind the torture of playing the song 25 + times this week or seeing the DVD of the cartoon six times. I think was my favorite before this week. You should see our silly Grinch song dance. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Burton can be a bit too--what's a good word...?--artificial-seeming to me. All the riotous colors, the crazy angles of Willy Wonka all turned me off so that I never saw the film. I was the same way with 'The Grinch, which I unfortunately did see: it was over-the-top, over saturated with bright colors, loud, insufferably long, boring, and just a waste of time. Taking an absolute classic like the cartoon (which is, by the way, my second favorite Christmas cartoon of all time, after Charlie Brown Christmas) and stretching it from 27 minutes to two hours? Bad, bad idea! -- Original message -- From: tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree, but if the can get Jackson, who has the imagination and vision? By the way, how was Willy Wonka. Depp's Michael Jackson performance in the trailers hs just creeped me out --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Burton's tastes run a bit to the more gothic and outre side; he's perfect for stuff like Nightmare Before Christmas and the dark Batman, but I don't think he'd have quite the right touch of whimsy for *this* particular film. It's a tricky mix to get the humour, action, drama, FX, and magic down pat -- Original message -- From: tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] What about Tim Burton? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Gymfig@ wrote: The hobbit is a children's book. It is not a serious film about love and lost. I don't think that there is a director out there that could capture that. If Henson were alive I think that he could have done it. I think the person that directed the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe could do a great job. I heard the movie was great. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of
[scifinoir2] The Hobbit Director Discussion: Whedonesque
I spent the first part of my morning at work catching up on the most recent threads. I am the boss. I can do whatever I want!! On Saturdays I slack when there are no customers. Today it's coffee, kolaches and Sci-Fi discussions. So I've been following this discussion with some interest. First off, I've got to disagree with the idea the the source material is a children's story. While it is suitable for children, it's much more than a children's story or an adventure story. Thematically it covers a lot of ground that's just beyond the range of children. Boling the story down to a simply children's tale misses too much of it's heart and soul. On the idea of directors, I think most of the folks mentioned could do a pretty credible job. I don't know anything about directing movies but I like the broad range of work that each of those directors has covered. frankly, I love Tim Burton and while I can't let go of how bad he screwed up Planet of The Apes, I'll also never forget how killer his vision of Batman was. I personally have a preference for Peter Jackson because I liked what he did with LOTR. That said, he personally had to sign off on Raimi for Raimi to get the job. I'm of a mind to trust him on this one. That said, I think that it could be really fun to take some chances with a really different or less obvious choice of director. I mean one the big complaints I have with the Hollywood system is that there are so few chances taken. I hear this kind of concern all the time on this list. Given that Jackson can't or won't take the helm on this one, I'd love to see it go to someone who will do something different than what everyone expects. Personally, I would have asked Joss Whedon but then again he might have turned Bilbo into a teenage girl. I'm not sure I want that much change. Seriously, I think that Whedon's abilities to develop characters would add a dimension to the story that that the LOTR trilogy lacked. The characters were all a bit wooden though not to the point that the story was damaged. I guess the point is moot as it's Raimi anyway but that's my .02 Bosco Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [scifinoir2] Comics to Film
Dwayne is the man!!! are they bringing him in for the next Silver Surfer? Daryle wrote: I thought Peter's dance was a highlight of the picture. That is to say, the whole picture was bad. I don't think anyone will be able to do a better picture than Spider Man 2. I'd hand the franchise off to another director at this point and let Raimi co-produce. When I hold Spiderman 3 against Rise of the Silver Surfer, I have to say that Rise is a better picture. Tim is trying to build a sense of friendship between the four, whereas Spiderman is just rehashing the same relationships and trying to dazzle us with effects. I do think that if there is to be a third Fantastic Four picture, Dwayne McDuffie and/or Reggie Hudlin simply HAVE to be brought in to write the script. Black Panther and Fantastic Four are simply two of the best books out right now, and Dwayne's writing in Justice League of America is GREAT stuff. Now that the basic stories have been told with these two franchises, it's time to take them to the next level, and I can't think of any better writers to handle the material. I believe a Dwayne McDuffie script can make Jessica Alba a better actress in the suit. Speaking of Alba, did anybody catch this movie with her and the Anakin Skywalker guy? It's a horror movie, and not just because the two of them are the stars (ba-DUM-bum). The movie is supposed to be about being awake during surgery, in fact I think it's called Awake or something like that. On 12/22/07 10:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, which was worse: Peter's strut down the street, winking at women, or Reed Richards' elasticized dance routine in Rise of the Silver Surfer? Both left me gagging. As for which movie was the worst, that's a tough one. I have no desire to see FF2 again, but it's shorter than Spidey 3, so maybe i'd choose it as a shorter term pain. But then, even at its worse Spidey 3 has better writing, acting, and character development than FF2, so i think it'd be my choice between the two. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I always loved the symbiote story and they trivialized it and treated it like an afterthought while totally destroying it with that strut you call the Stupid Saturday Night Fever thing. Up until now, I felt that Raimi was fantastic storyteller of the larger than life. After Spidey 3, I'm terrified at the thought of him helming the Hobbit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i thoroughly disliked it. Too long, too boring, too many plotlines, FX and CGI the worst of all the films--which is saying something, since as i said yesterday, the CGI has always disappointed me in teh Spidey films. The cardinal sins are that the Sandman really isn't used all that much in the film (not as much as we probably expected), and the amount of time Peter's atually in the black suit is incredibly short--at least, compared to what those eleventy million trailers led us to believe. He gets the suit, does that stupid Saturday Night Fever thing, punches out Osborn, and then dumps the symbiote. The way all those trailers were structured, i thought the bulk of the movie was going to deal with him slowly coming to realize the suit was changing him for the worst. in the comics, it was weeks or months before Peter tried to dispose of the symbiote. It was creepy: he'd put the suit on the chair next to his bed, then, while Peter was asleep, it would engulf him then go out web swinging all night, Peter still sound asleep inside. He'd wake up the next morning tired and sore, wondering what the hell was wrong. And after that, the next phase of the symbiote's life just left me cold. the whole Eddie Brock I-hate-Peter-WE-hate Peter arc was so quick I couldn't buy it either. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) I just saw Spiderman 3 a few weeks ago. Why did he feel so compared to tell so many potentially good stories in one film? Daryle wrote: I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made. I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and recently I saw, for the first time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The acting, well, is pretty horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, Punisher¹s worth a rental. On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, Bosco Boscowrote: On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman film was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as well and it got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved Hellboy. I really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first Spiderman. I wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them. Anyone else got some
Re: [scifinoir2] The Hobbit Director Discussion: Whedonesque
Whedon is an interesting option. Who knows what he would do with it. Good or bad, it would not be a boring vision Bosco Bosco wrote: I spent the first part of my morning at work catching up on the most recent threads. I am the boss. I can do whatever I want!! On Saturdays I slack when there are no customers. Today it's coffee, kolaches and Sci-Fi discussions. So I've been following this discussion with some interest. First off, I've got to disagree with the idea the the source material is a children's story. While it is suitable for children, it's much more than a children's story or an adventure story. Thematically it covers a lot of ground that's just beyond the range of children. Boling the story down to a simply children's tale misses too much of it's heart and soul. On the idea of directors, I think most of the folks mentioned could do a pretty credible job. I don't know anything about directing movies but I like the broad range of work that each of those directors has covered. frankly, I love Tim Burton and while I can't let go of how bad he screwed up Planet of The Apes, I'll also never forget how killer his vision of Batman was. I personally have a preference for Peter Jackson because I liked what he did with LOTR. That said, he personally had to sign off on Raimi for Raimi to get the job. I'm of a mind to trust him on this one. That said, I think that it could be really fun to take some chances with a really different or less obvious choice of director. I mean one the big complaints I have with the Hollywood system is that there are so few chances taken. I hear this kind of concern all the time on this list. Given that Jackson can't or won't take the helm on this one, I'd love to see it go to someone who will do something different than what everyone expects. Personally, I would have asked Joss Whedon but then again he might have turned Bilbo into a teenage girl. I'm not sure I want that much change. Seriously, I think that Whedon's abilities to develop characters would add a dimension to the story that that the LOTR trilogy lacked. The characters were all a bit wooden though not to the point that the story was damaged. I guess the point is moot as it's Raimi anyway but that's my .02 Bosco Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
In a message dated 12/22/2007 11:00:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: they're good examples of story, acting, plotting, action, FX, CGI, and that all-important, all-evasise look of a film. They may be okay directors but they don't have the it factor. I don't expect Scorsese to do the Hobbit. It is not his style. I don't expect Eastwood to do it either. I can see Ang Lee doing it. He has don different genres of film. These directors have not. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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we just disagree on this, which is cool. i seem to like Del Toro, Cuaron, and their work more than you do. i think Hellboy is way more than simple CGI... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/22/2007 11:16:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Frighteners, I never would have pegged Jackson to be right for LOTR, but New Line saw something in him... True but Jackson has talent. Hellboy is typically CGI. Nothing to write home about. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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me too, and no evidence of sentience in Galactus, and that battle between him and the Surfer--gawd that movie sucked! I'm still most pissed at the Surfer's source of power being changed--gawd that movie sucked! There's a better Reed Richards to be depicted. I really like Ian as Reed, but they've written Reed as too uncertain, too much of a wimp. That is *not* Reed Richards. He's always been distracted, absent-minded, overly analytical, dense in the ways of romance at times, but he was never uncertain and unsure unless someone like Doom had one of his loved ones in danger. Reed might have been a bookwarm, but that's not the same as a wimp. -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree about the choice of Alba as Sue Richards too...plus I was major pissed that they turned Galactus into a frickin' cloud monster!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: although many applaud or at least tolerate the FF movies because they have a sense of fun, i've found them to be trash. Alba can't act, is the wrong choice for Sue, and the scripts have sucked. Galactus was a bitter disappointment, the change to the source of the Surfer's power was laughably pitiful, and the Doctor Doom's character needs to go. i do agree that the whole thing needs to be re-written, and maybe McDuffie could do a job to save what is to me a wasted opportunity so far. I didn't see Awake. Alba doesn't do enough for me in any department to go see a movie in which she's starring. -- Original message -- From: Daryle I thought Peter's dance was a highlight of the picture. That is to say, the whole picture was bad. I don't think anyone will be able to do a better picture than Spider Man 2. I'd hand the franchise off to another director at this point and let Raimi co-produce. When I hold Spiderman 3 against Rise of the Silver Surfer, I have to say that Rise is a better picture. Tim is trying to build a sense of friendship between the four, whereas Spiderman is just rehashing the same relationships and trying to dazzle us with effects. I do think that if there is to be a third Fantastic Four picture, Dwayne McDuffie and/or Reggie Hudlin simply HAVE to be brought in to write the script. Black Panther and Fantastic Four are simply two of the best books out right now, and Dwayne's writing in Justice League of America is GREAT stuff. Now that the basic stories have been told with these two franchises, it's time to take them to the next level, and I can't think of any better writers to handle the material. I believe a Dwayne McDuffie script can make Jessica Alba a better actress in the suit. Speaking of Alba, did anybody catch this movie with her and the Anakin Skywalker guy? It's a horror movie, and not just because the two of them are the stars (ba-DUM-bum). The movie is supposed to be about being awake during surgery, in fact I think it's called Awake or something like that. On 12/22/07 10:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, which was worse: Peter's strut down the street, winking at women, or Reed Richards' elasticized dance routine in Rise of the Silver Surfer? Both left me gagging. As for which movie was the worst, that's a tough one. I have no desire to see FF2 again, but it's shorter than Spidey 3, so maybe i'd choose it as a shorter term pain. But then, even at its worse Spidey 3 has better writing, acting, and character development than FF2, so i think it'd be my choice between the two. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) I always loved the symbiote story and they trivialized it and treated it like an afterthought while totally destroying it with that strut you call the Stupid Saturday Night Fever thing. Up until now, I felt that Raimi was fantastic storyteller of the larger than life. After Spidey 3, I'm terrified at the thought of him helming the Hobbit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i thoroughly disliked it. Too long, too boring, too many plotlines, FX and CGI the worst of all the films--which is saying something, since as i said yesterday, the CGI has always disappointed me in teh Spidey films. The cardinal sins are that the Sandman really isn't used all that much in the film (not as much as we probably expected), and the amount of time Peter's atually in the black suit is incredibly short--at least, compared to what those eleventy million trailers led us to believe. He gets the suit, does that stupid Saturday Night Fever thing, punches out Osborn, and then dumps the symbiote. The way all those trailers were structured, i thought the bulk of the movie was going to deal with him slowly coming to realize the suit was changing him for the worst. in the comics, it was weeks or months before Peter tried to dispose of the symbiote. It was creepy: he'd put the suit on the chair next to his bed, then, while Peter was asleep, it would engulf him then go out
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
Well you are in good company. Filmmakers, critics, authors and more see them in a similar light. Most think Cuaron specifically does have it I think he's won awards for his work.I agree that it is fine that people have different perspectives, but this is one time were I can not even relate to the perspective that they lack talent. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we just disagree on this, which is cool. i seem to like Del Toro, Cuaron, and their work more than you do. i think Hellboy is way more than simple CGI... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/22/2007 11:16:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Frighteners, I never would have pegged Jackson to be right for LOTR, but New Line saw something in him... True but Jackson has talent. Hellboy is typically CGI. Nothing to write home about. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] NT Times - Hoover Planned Mass Jailing in 1950
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/washington/23habeas.html?_r=1oref=slogin A newly declassified document shows that J. Edgar Hoover, the longtime director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, had a plan to suspend habeas corpus and imprison some 12,000 Americans he suspected of disloyalty. Hoover sent his plan to the White House on July 7, 1950, 12 days after the Korean War began. It envisioned putting suspect Americans in military prisons. Hoover wanted President Harry S. Truman to proclaim the mass arrests necessary to “protect the country against treason, espionage and sabotage.” The F.B.I would “apprehend all individuals potentially dangerous” to national security, Hoover’s proposal said. The arrests would be carried out under “a master warrant attached to a list of names” provided by the bureau. The names were part of an index that Hoover had been compiling for years. “The index now contains approximately twelve thousand individuals, of which approximately ninety-seven per cent are citizens of the United States,” he wrote. “In order to make effective these apprehensions, the proclamation suspends the Writ of Habeas Corpus,” it said. Habeas corpus, the right to seek relief from illegal detention, has been a fundamental principle of law for seven centuries. The Bush administration’s decision to hold suspects for years at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, has made habeas corpus a contentious issue for Congress and the Supreme Court today. The Constitution says habeas corpus shall not be suspended “unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it.” The plan proposed by Hoover, the head of the F.B.I. from 1924 to 1972, stretched that clause to include “threatened invasion” or “attack upon United States troops in legally occupied territory.” After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, President Bush issued an order that effectively allowed the United States to hold suspects indefinitely without a hearing, a lawyer, or formal charges. In September 2006, Congress passed a law suspending habeas corpus for anyone deemed an “unlawful enemy combatant.” But the Supreme Court has reaffirmed the right of American citizens to seek a writ of habeas corpus. This month the court heard arguments on whether about 300 foreigners held at Guantánamo Bay had the same rights. It is expected to rule by next summer. Hoover’s plan was declassified Friday as part of a collection of cold-war documents concerning intelligence issues from 1950 to 1955. The collection makes up a new volume of “The Foreign Relations of the United States,” a series that by law has been published continuously by the State Department since the Civil War. Hoover’s plan called for “the permanent detention” of the roughly 12,000 suspects at military bases as well as in federal prisons. The F.B.I., he said, had found that the arrests it proposed in New York and California would cause the prisons there to overflow. So the bureau had arranged for “detention in military facilities of the individuals apprehended” in those states, he wrote. The prisoners eventually would have had a right to a hearing under the Hoover plan. The hearing board would have been a panel made up of one judge and two citizens. But the hearings “will not be bound by the rules of evidence,” his letter noted. The only modern precedent for Hoover’s plan was the Palmer Raids of 1920, named after the attorney general at the time. The raids, executed in large part by Hoover’s intelligence division, swept up thousands of people suspected of being communists and radicals. Previously declassified documents show that the F.B.I.’s “security index” of suspect Americans predated the cold war. In March 1946, Hoover sought the authority to detain Americans “who might be dangerous” if the United States went to war. In August 1948, Attorney General Tom Clark gave the F.B.I. the power to make a master list of such people. Hoover’s July 1950 letter was addressed to Sidney W. Souers, who had served as the first director of central intelligence and was then a special national-security assistant to Truman. The plan also was sent to the executive secretary of the National Security Council, whose members were the president, the secretary of defense, the secretary of state and the military chiefs. In September 1950, Congress passed and the president signed a law authorizing the detention of “dangerous radicals” if the president declared a national emergency. Truman did declare such an emergency in December 1950, after China entered the Korean War. But no known evidence suggests he or any other president approved any part of Hoover’s proposal.
[scifinoir2] China clinic gives 'web addicts' shock treatment
China clinic gives 'web addicts' shock treatment 12/21/2007 @ 11:17 am Filed by David Edwards and Muriel Kane http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Shock_therapy_treats_internet_addiction_in_1221.html Increasing affluence in China, combined with intense pressure on young people to succeed, has led to the appearance of large numbers of Internet dropouts. Most of those affected are adolescent males who, according to IBN Live, lack self-confidence and have trouble coping with the pressure from their parents to do well at school, which is why computer games, where success comes with such little effort, are so addictive. There are many clinics offering cures, but the Internet Addiction Treatment Center in Daxing County, which combines military-style discipline with therapy and even low-voltage electric shocks, claims a particularly high success rate of 70%. However, even the Daxing center has difficulty with the other 30% of referrals, who are often severely depressed and resistant to counseling. Their souls are gone to the online world, said one psychologist. Chinese officials estimate that 13% of Internet users under the age of 18 are addicts. There is little consensus in the West on whether Internet addition is real or how it should be defined, but the Chinese have no hesitation in comparing it with drugs and gambling and blame it for murders, suicides, and much juvenile crime. When one 30 year old man died of exhaustion earlier this year after playing online games for three straight days, Shanghai police began enforcing an age limit of 16 at all Internet cafes. Korea, often described as the most wired country on earth, has also embraced the Chinese definition of Internet addiction and estimates that up to 30% of its own young people are at risk. Korea recently opened its first boot camp on the Chinese model, the Jump Up Internet Rescue School. This video is from IBNLive.com, broadcast on December 21, 2007. See video at: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Shock_therapy_treats_internet_addiction_in_1221.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
