Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
In a message dated 1/4/2008 7:58:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's not true of all of us by any means. Blacks women still face sexism. Why should we put that aside for the good of the race? When you listed to George Will, Bill Bennet, Juan Williams, or Chris Mattews, you would think that racism would disappear with the election Obama? I truly believe this is what non black america and parts of black America want. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
No, not by a longshot. Class warfare, IMO, is exactly what's going on. A couple of years ago, I had to go to Grady to get my scrips rewritten. (For the record, Grady is the biggest hospital here in Atlanta, and doing anything in there is an all-day proposition). As I'm waiting, sitting next to a man who's coughing up a lung, his wife at the point of shattering because they'd been there since five that morn (it was almost four in the afternoon at this time) and the docs *still* didn't know what was wrong with him, and hadn't even bothered to consider the need to admit him), a story popped up on Headline News, that then-Governor Pataki (NY) had been hospitalized for a ruptured appendix. According to the report, he felt ill at five that morn, his driver took him to the hospital at six, and he was in surgery at seven. It was a nice laugh-and-cry session. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so you think Edwards went too far in his righteous anger? -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMO, Edawrds could'v epulled in that younger ticket as easily as Obama did, had he not opted to take the hyper-reformist tack that he did. Many on both sides of the aisle are veiwing it as something akin to class warfare, and Republicans are uniting against him for that reason. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agreed. It points out a few things. One, that every generation there's a man or woman who can reach those still young and idealistic enough to believe that a true change is a-comin: the Kennedy's, Bill Clinton, now Obama. Two, the only problem is that sometimes the young and idealistic don't stay all the way to the end, and the old cynical fogeys turn out in greater numbers. Not always, but often. Three, Clinton has really been staying put, as you said, not really standing *for* anything, just saying I have more experience and I'm tougher. Static message heard too many times. Finally, i believe that *any* frontrunner would have seen a decline in the numbers because this went on too freakin' long. had Obama started out as the clear frontrunner and gotten all the focus, all the attention, all the attacks, I believe that after a campaign this long, people would have started picking at him, too. I know enough folks right now who aren't enamored of him. If he'd been in front all along this might have been a three-way day, or Edwards might have pulled ahead simply by dint of seeming to be newer and fresher. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just had a look at some of the voter breakdowns, and it seems that Obama won through youth more than gender. He's energized the kids out there. Hillary standing pat hurt her in the voters' eyes, IMO. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 2:48:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or a Black man. the only thing i'm sure of is you won't see them on the same ticket! no way America'd elect a woman and a Brother in the same year! So they go with the man because they really dobn't want to see a woma? **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
We'll stop you when you're wrong, Tracey. tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While gymfig may have cut off the comment. I'm the one that said disintegrating. Perhaps it is an exaggeration. I certainly hope so. But in some parts of the country, black men have 50% unemployment, college grad rates of black men are decreasing dramatically, the percentage of Blacks marrying is dropping dramatically, blacks placed in prison for petty crimes is increasing, offsprings of middle class blacks are increasingly falling behind; college educated blacks are finding it increasingly difficult to find gainful employment, in states where affirmative action has been abolished blacks pursuing college degrees has been cut in half. Community organizations supporting Black communities are finding it increasingly difficult to secure funds needed for operation. I could cite other factors, but if it is not disintegrating, I think something bad is definitively happening to us and no has yet figured out how to stop it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoa. Whoa, wait. Whoa. Disintegrating? Whowhere? I¹m confused. HOW did we get here? You¹ve cut off the post you were responding to and I don¹t follow you right now at all. On 1/4/08 4:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 3:32:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com writes: then somebody please tell me why the black community seems to be disintegrating. Black males AND black females must take some form of responsibility for their problems (education, crime, single homes) and stop blaming racism and one another. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
I get that there is racism. However this is an excuse. This is not 1938. Black men were hanged and denied jobs. They could not get into union. Blacks women could not work. this is 2008 Blacks are more concerned about hip hop than homnework. They are concerned about guns than family. Some of this is OUR repsonsibility. I don't buy that I am a black man in racist AmeriKKKa any more. Some day that black man needs to stand on his on two feet with or with out the ehlp of the white woman or white man. These same coorporations are the ones that fund our schools and fund programs because people dnn't want to pay taxes. People don't want to have their social programs cut. People could care less about unions buecause they see them as the anti work. You can not blame that on moderate democrats or Republicans. Alot of liberal democrats have let this happen. Theyu will continue to let it happen. Americans in general are spending more on crap than saving their money. I see more people buying stuff for Christmas than they save for an education or home. Everybody is huring, but alot of it is our own fault. You can't wave a magic war and for it to all be over. You just can pull out of Iraq and burry your head in the sand. We are there, the question is what are we going to do about it. We lose, China and the rest of the world wins. It was the liberal Democrats that keep on funding the war. It is the CBC that wants more meony for their own pork projets. It is the Democrats that don't have the guts to stop george Bush. You can't blame the moderates or the Republicans for this. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
Daryle, then George Soros is really confused right now. Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So wait. You¹re saying that if I¹m rich, I¹m a right winger by default? On 1/4/08 5:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 5:02:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:yokozuna%40globalsoulmedia.com writes: It takes a hook. Clinton has access to ALL of this, AND a hook, but her true underwear is showing. As Tracey said, Clinton is mad right wing with hers. Nobody wants to go down that road again. Edwards is a very rich man Obama is a rich man To say that they respresent poor white men is a joke. Pba,as tried a liberal foreign policy in the debate and was criticized for it. Especially with his Palestinian people are opprssed speech. He will have to become more right wing to fit into a realistic real war. The Democratic controlled Congress has not been able to cut off funding or stop the war. Do you think Obama or Edwards can do that? The Pentagon and the corporations that put them there will not allow that to happen. Do no be so quick to be the liberal that could. Liberal Democrrats have not done anything for the war and have not done anything for this country. They still vote to send jobs pverseas/ They still fund the war. They still cant balence the budget. Obama will have to give in to conservative Republicans/ To say that he will be some great liberal savior is a joke. Even Edwards knows this. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
Tracey, you're still on that roll. tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my mind, it is all smoke and mirrors. The reason I wanted Edwards is his history of going for the corporate juggler and he seems to be a donor outsider. All are hungry for power and that brass ring. I think its about picking the lessor of all evils. Who is likely not to attack Iran. Who might cut a few taxes to look good. Who might restore some civil liberties or at least prevent some more from being taken away. Despite his riches, the powers that be went out of their way to marginalize Edwards and his history as an attack pit bull up against the big guys made me opt for him. I think his history and some of his rhetoric terrifies corporate America. That made him my choice as the lessor of all evils. I wanted Gore, because Gore in his writings admitted that before 2000, that he had sold his soul. I think the new Gore coming back from having the election stolen would not have sold his soul this time around. I also think he did not run because he knew that he would not be able to run and win unless he sold his soul. Selling your soul is a prerequisite for the job as the leader of our country. The powers that be have seen to that. I thought Edwards, still might have a little of his left intact --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 5:02:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It takes a hook. Clinton has access to ALL of this, AND a hook, but her true underwear is showing. As Tracey said, Clinton is mad right wing with hers. Nobody wants to go down that road again. Edwards is a very rich man Obama is a rich man To say that they respresent poor white men is a joke. Pba,as tried a liberal foreign policy in the debate and was criticized for it. Especially with his Palestinian people are opprssed speech. He will have to become more right wing to fit into a realistic real war. The Democratic controlled Congress has not been able to cut off funding or stop the war. Do you think Obama or Edwards can do that? The Pentagon and the corporations that put them there will not allow that to happen. Do no be so quick to be the liberal that could. Liberal Democrrats have not done anything for the war and have not done anything for this country. They still vote to send jobs pverseas/ They still fund the war. They still cant balence the budget. Obama will have to give in to conservative Republicans/ To say that he will be some great liberal savior is a joke. Even Edwards knows this. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
(standing ovation) Keith, I've got a true story that you reminded me of when you commented about being followed by a security guard in a store. Back when I worked for Soulless Evil Inc (aka Federated DEepartment Stores, owners of M*cy's), I decided to splurge one Chrsitmas for the young lady I was seeing, so I went shopping at the old Downtown M*cy's. Thye minute I walked in, I had my own private security guard on my a$$, despite my habit of looking as untreatening as possible (never putting my hands in my pockets, always looking up and making eye contact, not carrying bags, et cetera). As I went, I noticed a White guy shoplifting, and had to point it out to the guard who was so ficused on me that he didn't catch the theft. When filling out the report for the police, Occupation came up on the form. I made myself say aloud the words as I wrote them, Supervisor, Federated Department Stores, Store #13, and smiled at the guard and the assistant manager before leaving and never gracing the place with my presence again. BTB- I got a commendation from the Chairman of the board, and a write-up in the company newsletter. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i really have to disagree with your saying America's not racist. As a Black man I still fight this stuff every day, whether it's inferiour white guys on my job giving me grief, the white cop or security guard who follows m ein the store, or the more generic white attitude that has whites speaking what they think is black slang to me, or making assumptions about my values and interests. I worked in HR for a while, and i can tell you that black people get discriminated against in hiring all the time, even now in 2008. And to say that black people don't want to end our problems? I'm surprised at that. I know a lot of blacks, rich and poor, educated and illiterate, who might blame some of their problems on racism, but they don't *embrace* that as an excuse. But they do see a system that still redlines black neighborhoods, that has businesses skittish to build in black neighborhoods, real estate agents leery of showing homes to blacks in a majority white neighborhood, and companies where white people support other whites at our expense. It's changed, it's gotten better, but it's not at all some fantasy we cook up to blame others for our problems. I'm fairly well educated (BS in Electrical Engineering, several hundred hours in Microsoft NT/Windows 2000 etc. training) speak good English, etc., and I still encounter racism and prejudice. i don't go looking for it, but i acknowledge it. And even if Obama's elected that doesn't mean racism will end in America. A president can attain the White House with basically half the vote, meaning half th electorate can still be just as backwards and unenlightened as they want. Finally, i have to comment on the thing about black man having all the advantages. I agree with Tracey's statement: while black men may apparently have an in in a male dominated corporate structure, the truth is that many whites only have room for one or the other, black men or black women. And the truth is that often white men see competent black men as threats. I have been in many a situation where white guys view me with veiled hostility even though i've done nothing to them, yet will joke and kid around with black women. some of that, frankly, is a sexist attitude: they see the women as less of a threat and someone they can joke and kid and flirt with. My wife has commented to me more than once on how white guys in corporate America are getting bolder than ever in flirting with black women. They're *women*, and that makes the guys feel good. but as a black man, what can I do for a straight white guy in that area? He can't flirt with me, can't feel somehow more physically powe rful over me the way he might with a woman. he might assume that i'm in incoming Alpha male who might mess with his little fiefdom. So out goes the threat (me) in favor of a black lady that threatens the guys less. I feel that you're kind of putting a divide here, drawing a line between Brothers and Sisters and lumping us with white men. as if you're saying black men take advantage of Sisters too and use the system against them. That's not true of all of us by any means. My wife is my partner, and i'm just as angry--angrier--at the combination sexist/racist treatment she takes as the racist treatment i get. i see a victory for her and all Sisters as a victory for us as a people and would never subscribe to the philosophy that i'm in the old boys club like the white guys. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/4/2008 1:12:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most biracial people with African blood are seen as Black - particularly those who look Black, say they are Black and are Considered prominent members of the Black community.
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darryl: You said to Gymfig, It is straight up insulting to assume the things you are about Black people, but particularly, it is insulting to come off the way you are to this group. You¹re talking to us like we¹re children who haven¹t done anything with our lives. Many of us HAVE children. You give NO scientific references for your observations, and you make these grand sweeping judgments based on something you read, for all we know, on someone¹s blog. We¹re scientists, business owners, mathematicians, elected officials, engineers, husbands, fathers, mothers, sisters...this ain¹t rehab, this is one of the most together groups of people you will (apparently) ever come across online. Please respect that. We don¹t deserve to be shouted at like we¹re this rebel band of liberal hippies. We¹re not. And this isn¹t the first time you¹ve done it.We¹re all adults. Why can¹t you just disagree with someone and keep it moving? Your mistake is that you are expecting civil, intellectual discourse that involves a sharing ideas and opinions and backing them up with cold hard facts. That is not what you will get in a continued discourse here. This is not about difference of opinion, but about distorting the facts, name calling, hating of men - specifically Black men, Saying the all of us have a particular behavior lumping some behaviors distorting what you say, misunderstanding what you say, intentionally not addressing salient points, or simply cutting them out of the reply message to further confuse the issue. The point is to anger and wound you with these distortions, not share differing opinions. The style of communicating reminds me of a style of a pundit called Bill Kristol, a famous neocon who works for the Weekly Standard. He says things like ~90 percent of the people on the Nobel Committee are into child pornography and molestation. ~Of all of the dictators in the past, you know the one Al Gore strikes me as [being] closest [to] is Mussolini., ~Notice what this double-talking slut just did, this mind-slut Barbara Walters. And I stick by those words. She's an empty mind-slut.. ~ Madeline Albright is a traitor. In my opinion, she should be tried for treason, and when she's found guilty, she should be hung. ; ~Liberalism is, in essence, the HIV virus, and it weakens the defense cells of a nation. Its not that he is right wing. Like Gymfig, its that his method of discourse is to incite, insult, distort and enrage. Pat Robertson and Joe Scarborough are right wingers who I can watch (even if I might not like them) They back up their statements with facts and don't seek to insult people in their discussions and debates and can concede when their facts are incorrect. That won't happen here in this or any other conversation as far as I can see. This style of non -communication goes back years and seems to have been developed into a full-blown art-form. I've noticed that Gymfig does this with all her discussions. We do not usually pay as much attention to it because she usually just puts down and distorts the facts about entertainers. I'm responding now, because she is doing so about us and our people. I will probably posting this, but I do not know when I've encountered someone say so many ugly sweeping generalizations about me and my people without backing it up with one fact that was not distorted or who worked so hard to distort what I have posted. So here it is. This is Black on Black crime and I abhor it. I guess I have drawn the line in the sand. I did not want to, but the Savage syndrome is likely to continue, so I guess I thought I would let people know what type of non-conversation they are becoming involved with and let them decide if they want to waste their time. Besides I'm sick of the ridiculing insults. Darryl, I applaud you for shutting the sick abusive game down. With so many of our liberties being taken away from us, I loath to stop someone from posting their opinion. I think different opinions have been one of the best things about the list. As a daughter of a former Black Union leader who ran two union newsletter I place a high value on freedom of speech (thats right a Black Union Leader-wow!) So preventing someone from posting is something I have extremely reluctant to do. Taking a deep depressed exhausted sigh.. Tracey It is straight up insulting to assume the things you are about Black people, but particularly, it is insulting to come off the way you are to this group. You¹re talking to us like we¹re children who haven¹t done anything with our lives. Many of us HAVE children. You give NO scientific references for your observations, and you make these grand sweeping judgments based on something you read, for all we know, on someone¹s blog. We¹re scientists, business owners, mathematicians, elected officials, engineers, husbands, fathers, mothers, sisters...this ain¹t rehab,
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
Wow, so sad--and familiar. Years ago i was shopping at Oxford Too (an independent bookstore here in Atlanta that sold comics, for those who don't live here) and the white guy on duty eyeballed me soon as i walked in. He followed me all over that store, despite the fact i shopped there every Friday night like clockwork. well, while following me, he failed to notice the two white guys who came in like cliches from a movie: literally wearing long dark trench coats--in July! As the manager trailed me like a bloodhound, i watched those white guys lift several comics and walk out of the store. I should have reported it, but when my anger goes it's really nasty, and i could only barely control my rage. I think even speaking to him at that point I woud have lost it. I'm not usually like that, but something about what he did to me at that time in my life (i was having problems with work and stuff) pushed me over the edge. So, i just let those white guys steal the comics, and watched him s ay Thanks guys, have a good night when they left. I wish i could have seen the look on his face after i left, realizing he'd been robbed, and that it *had* to have been the white guys. But idiot cops and guards is one thing. I think people are missing the subtle undercurrent of intolerance, exasperation, racism, and blame that white Americans--and blacks like Gymfig--seem to feel. I ain't gonna front: i have friends and relatives who i will tell you are trifling. who look for a handout and are lazy. I see the negative influences in our community by young black men all about money and power and rap music. I get that in many ways we're hurting ourselves. but i also know that no one becomes the way they are in a vacuum, that this country and world are ultimately one big organism, and that any part that's sick harms--and is harmed by--others. If your hand is hurting you, you gonna just cut it off to make yourself feel better? No. I understand responsibility and teaching it. all for it. But I think Gymfig and many whites--and Blacks who've made it--are getting awfully high and mighty and judgemental in their you caused your own problems attitude. I'm adopted, and I know that but for the grace of God, i could have ended up in a horrible orphanage and who knows what kind of person i'd be today? Probably angry, womanizing, maybe even a criminal. I had a fortunate upbringing, and not all Blacks can say that. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (standing ovation) Keith, I've got a true story that you reminded me of when you commented about being followed by a security guard in a store. Back when I worked for Soulless Evil Inc (aka Federated DEepartment Stores, owners of M*cy's), I decided to splurge one Chrsitmas for the young lady I was seeing, so I went shopping at the old Downtown M*cy's. Thye minute I walked in, I had my own private security guard on my a$$, despite my habit of looking as untreatening as possible (never putting my hands in my pockets, always looking up and making eye contact, not carrying bags, et cetera). As I went, I noticed a White guy shoplifting, and had to point it out to the guard who was so ficused on me that he didn't catch the theft. When filling out the report for the police, Occupation came up on the form. I made myself say aloud the words as I wrote them, Supervisor, Federated Department Stores, Store #13, and smiled at the guard and the assistant manager before leaving and never gracing the place with my presence again. BTB- I got a commendation from the Chairman of the board, and a write-up in the company newsletter. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i really have to disagree with your saying America's not racist. As a Black man I still fight this stuff every day, whether it's inferiour white guys on my job giving me grief, the white cop or security guard who follows m ein the store, or the more generic white attitude that has whites speaking what they think is black slang to me, or making assumptions about my values and interests. I worked in HR for a while, and i can tell you that black people get discriminated against in hiring all the time, even now in 2008. And to say that black people don't want to end our problems? I'm surprised at that. I know a lot of blacks, rich and poor, educated and illiterate, who might blame some of their problems on racism, but they don't *embrace* that as an excuse. But they do see a system that still redlines black neighborhoods, that has businesses skittish to build in black neighborhoods, real estate agents leery of showing homes to blacks in a majority white neighborhood, and companies where white people support other whites at our expense. It's changed, it's gotten better, but it's not at all some fantasy we cook up to blame others for our problems. I'm fairly well educated (BS in Electrical Engineering, several hundred hours in Microsoft NT/Windows 2000 etc.
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
I do too. I hate that his message has been drowned out by the media. I also wonder why I find him more believable that Hilary and Obama. I used to here great things about Obama inchicago. I wonder how he lost his soul so fast. I guess it was necessary. Too bad, That man cn give a speech --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like Edwards' focus on helping the poor and those with insurance -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, not by a longshot. Class warfare, IMO, is exactly what's going on. A couple of years ago, I had to go to Grady to get my scrips rewritten. (For the record, Grady is the biggest hospital here in Atlanta, and doing anything in there is an all-day proposition). As I'm waiting, sitting next to a man who's coughing up a lung, his wife at the point of shattering because they'd been there since five that morn (it was almost four in the afternoon at this time) and the docs *still* didn't know what was wrong with him, and hadn't even bothered to consider the need to admit him), a story popped up on Headline News, that then-Governor Pataki (NY) had been hospitalized for a ruptured appendix. According to the report, he felt ill at five that morn, his driver took him to the hospital at six, and he was in surgery at seven. It was a nice laugh-and-cry session. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so you think Edwards went too far in his righteous anger? -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMO, Edawrds could'v epulled in that younger ticket as easily as Obama did, had he not opted to take the hyper-reformist tack that he did. Many on both sides of the aisle are veiwing it as something akin to class warfare, and Republicans are uniting against him for that reason. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agreed. It points out a few things. One, that every generation there's a man or woman who can reach those still young and idealistic enough to believe that a true change is a-comin: the Kennedy's, Bill Clinton, now Obama. Two, the only problem is that sometimes the young and idealistic don't stay all the way to the end, and the old cynical fogeys turn out in greater numbers. Not always, but often. Three, Clinton has really been staying put, as you said, not really standing *for* anything, just saying I have more experience and I'm tougher. Static message heard too many times. Finally, i believe that *any* frontrunner would have seen a decline in the numbers because this went on too freakin' long. had Obama started out as the clear frontrunner and gotten all the focus, all the attention, all the attacks, I believe that after a campaign this long, people would have started picking at him, too. I know enough folks right now who aren't enamored of him. If he'd been in front all along this might have been a three-way day, or Edwards might have pulled ahead simply by dint of seeming to be newer and fresher. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just had a look at some of the voter breakdowns, and it seems that Obama won through youth more than gender. He's energized the kids out there. Hillary standing pat hurt her in the voters' eyes, IMO. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 2:48:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or a Black man. the only thing i'm sure of is you won't see them on the same ticket! no way America'd elect a woman and a Brother in the same year! So they go with the man because they really dobn't want to see a woma? **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
i agree, and i'm stunned anyone would even talk about closing Grady. If the other hospitals in the area could (or would) take all the people it'd cut loose, that'd be one thing. But even then that would suck 'cause how many people have the time and means to go outside the city for health care? I like Edwards' focus on helping the poor and those with insurance -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, not by a longshot. Class warfare, IMO, is exactly what's going on. A couple of years ago, I had to go to Grady to get my scrips rewritten. (For the record, Grady is the biggest hospital here in Atlanta, and doing anything in there is an all-day proposition). As I'm waiting, sitting next to a man who's coughing up a lung, his wife at the point of shattering because they'd been there since five that morn (it was almost four in the afternoon at this time) and the docs *still* didn't know what was wrong with him, and hadn't even bothered to consider the need to admit him), a story popped up on Headline News, that then-Governor Pataki (NY) had been hospitalized for a ruptured appendix. According to the report, he felt ill at five that morn, his driver took him to the hospital at six, and he was in surgery at seven. It was a nice laugh-and-cry session. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so you think Edwards went too far in his righteous anger? -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMO, Edawrds could'v epulled in that younger ticket as easily as Obama did, had he not opted to take the hyper-reformist tack that he did. Many on both sides of the aisle are veiwing it as something akin to class warfare, and Republicans are uniting against him for that reason. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agreed. It points out a few things. One, that every generation there's a man or woman who can reach those still young and idealistic enough to believe that a true change is a-comin: the Kennedy's, Bill Clinton, now Obama. Two, the only problem is that sometimes the young and idealistic don't stay all the way to the end, and the old cynical fogeys turn out in greater numbers. Not always, but often. Three, Clinton has really been staying put, as you said, not really standing *for* anything, just saying I have more experience and I'm tougher. Static message heard too many times. Finally, i believe that *any* frontrunner would have seen a decline in the numbers because this went on too freakin' long. had Obama started out as the clear frontrunner and gotten all the focus, all the attention, all the attacks, I believe that after a campaign this long, people would have started picking at him, too. I know enough folks right now who aren't enamored of him. If he'd been in front all along this might have been a three-way day, or Edwards might have pulled ahead simply by dint of seeming to be newer and fresher. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just had a look at some of the voter breakdowns, and it seems that Obama won through youth more than gender. He's energized the kids out there. Hillary standing pat hurt her in the voters' eyes, IMO. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 2:48:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or a Black man. the only thing i'm sure of is you won't see them on the same ticket! no way America'd elect a woman and a Brother in the same year! So they go with the man because they really dobn't want to see a woma? **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
Hey Veronica: Glad to see your post. :) Do not quell your cynicism. In my opinion it protects you. Racisim is alive and well (even thriving, cultivated and growing) here in America The facts are not in. Someone on the suggested that Republicans voted for Obama in higher numbers than Huckabee as part of an effort to know out Edwards and Hilary who some may perceive to be more electable. While I have not seen numbers to back that up yet, I would not be surprised if it were true. Its been done before. If is true, then this is simply business as usually. I know you are really busy these days, but don't be a stranger to the board :) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, vhenry_89147 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tracey, I also had feeling about how impossible it was for Obama to win a nomination, let alone the presidency of the United States. Perhaps his win in Iowa is an indication that my cynicism over race relations in America can someday be quelled. Let's hope. In any event, guess we'll see what happens in New Hampshire. It still burns me up that some people continue to group the behavior of Black people in one all encompassing bucket. If I fit into that bucket, I wouldn't love science fiction the way I do, reading or writing it. For that matter, I wouldn't practice Yoga or have studied computer science either, right? Veronica --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Me, like a lot of Blacks who have experienced racism, could not see White America voting for Obama -- a Black guy. We'd seen some real racist stuff come out of even the nicest people. Surely these people could not vote for someone that has a member of a race that they harbored such ugly thoughts and feelings about. . Then tonite happened. Obama won big in a state with only 2% Blacks. After a great deal of thought, I think I figured out how he won and why it is possible for him to win. There are two factors involved: 1. Most people - even the nicest people have unconscious biases against people who are different from them. This often comes in the form of racism when it comes to Black/White relations. Most of the time, they are not even aware of them, nor do they cultivate these feeling, and when confronted with some act that shows that the person obviously has that bias, he or she will adamantly deny it, because he or she does not see him or herself that way.So if you do not consciously see your self as someone who dislikes Blacks, then why would you not vote for him if you thought he was the best candidate. Think out it, theoretically those people you talk to that do not believe that racism is so prevalent and that when you experience a racist act, you are being hypersensitive or pulling the race card, are potential Obama voters. i personally know one or too who seem to like Obama 2. When I was growing up and even as a young adult, I would meet people who really liked and seem to accept me who said to me, You do not act like a Black person Or they would say some horrible thing about Blacks to me. When I would ask them then what are you doing with me. I would here something like, well you are not like them. this stuff used to burn me up. I can't tell you how many people I kicked to the curb over this stuff. Now I think most Whites who feel this way, know better then to express these thought out loud. (Biden being the exception ) Remember how complimentary Biden was about Obama being articulate? I suspect that Obama has probably had many encounters like the two I described above. He is able to blend in and be accepted by people from a variety of backgrounds. For that reason, I think people who might not be overt racists - who do not see themselves as racist, might not have a problem voting for him. So its off to New Hampshire and believe or now, the polls show that he is poised to beat Hilary. KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Wow, i thought Edwards would take first place by a percentage point over Obama, with Hillary in third. I had Huckabee, Romney, and McCain as 1-2-3, respectively. Looks like Obama pulled off a major upset. Huckabee might have some real legs, given that he's a real fundamentalist Christian in some ways, but supportive of environmental issues, not averse to taxing for the poor, and pretty well respected by many Blacks--at least in Arkansas. I never could get with Romney, not because he's a Mormon, but because his positions have flip-flopped more than anyone in the last few years. Talk about an opportunistic chamelon. Now, how does Hillary proceed, given that liberal/independent New Hampshire might go for Obama and Edwards again, and ditto for South Carolina and the southern states? Indeed, let this momentum keep building and we could be looking at an Obama/Edwards ticket, which just
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
I seriously doubt it. But, barring a complete collapse by the Democrats on all fronts (still possible), there's no way the Republicans will win the election. Dirty tricks included. Ed Rollins is already on the warpath for Huckleberry- uh, Huckabee, pardon, and Turd Blossom is still out there, lurking. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but a woman and a brother?? You really think this country is ready for that? -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see it as just a matrer of time. None of the other Democratic candidates have the footing to make a serious stand and, historuically, a presidential candidate chooses someone more or less their polar opposite as a running mate. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, i'd be amazed to see that! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith, I think that just that will happen, when either the Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket takes the White House. The two have set themselves up as the perfect running mates. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or a Black man. the only thing i'm sure of is you won't see them on the same ticket! no way America'd elect a woman and a Brother in the same year! -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/4/2008 12:11:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I could be wrong--I certainly was tonight! I guess we will have to wait if America is ready to elect a woman for president. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
I enjoyed Children of Men a great deal but was disappointed with the ending. I won't put any spoilers in but I wached it intently all the way through just *captivated* then sort of went huh?. I also just saw Eastern Promises two days ago and I liked it a lot maybe *because* of the clinical approach. I am ridiculously easy to distract. So, sometimes the very straightforward, removed tone helps me focus on the intensity of the story. I saw Dead Ringers when I was way too young to see it and it scarred me for life lol. I haven't seen it again in maybe ten years, but what I remember is that it was an absolutely horrible and fascinating story that had an almost nonchalance in the voice without being something ludicrous like the silly Eli Roth and Tarentino fare (sorry Roth and Tarentino fans). I didn't realize until like a week ago that both Eastern Promises and Dead Ringers were directed by David Cronenberg, but then I understood even better why Eastern Promises hit my movie spot. Although, I was left with a sexuality question... Stangely enough, I'm thinking back to Dead Ringers and I think I had a sexuality question there, too. All of this to say that maybe I listen to news radio too much on my way to work. Calm soothing voices telling me about the horrors of the world. :) . Just my 2¢ --Grayson In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great comments! I was amazed at the Simpsons take, but i went to BoxOfficeMojo.com and confirmed it did half a *billion* dollars so far! Holy crap! And most of that was overseas! Can't wait to see Children of Men. I agree with you on Eastern Promises. Looked great, was a good movie, but left me rather despondent and empty feeling inside. It is indeed cold and clinical (what my review was called, i believe) where History of Violence was more intense. still i liked them both. So for Ratatouille, is it the 3D cgi you don't like? Are you and old school 2D hand drawn fan? I am, and very few of the CGI stuff has really captured me, though The Incredibles certainly did. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] I started with The Simpsons Movie which, I am glad I did not pay to see in a theatre as it comes nowhere near any of the great Simpson episodes. It is, however, the environmental movie with the largest box office, thus far: $525,797,315 (as much of an inconvenient truth as that may be for Nobel laureate Al Gore). I followed that with Children of Men, which I have had forever, but just now got around to seeing. Keith, this is a marvelous movie. Alphonso Cuaron's film is so organic and fully realized, it is like you are not even watching a movie. Paul Greengrass gets lots of press for the immediacy of his handheld camera style in the Bourne sequels but he has nothing on Cuaron. One of the lovely things about watching DVDs at home, besides the ability to pause, rewind and fast forward, is the ability to go on-line while you are watching. When the question who is that? popped into my head, I could go to IMDB and find out who dat was. I spent another two hours online researching Children of Men while I let the movie play through again. Chocked full visually, Childrn rewards frequent viewing (you'll be surprised what you missed the first time). I followed Children with Eastern Promises. I wanted to see Eastern Promises because I simply adore David Cronenberg's last film, A History of Violence. History was the movie where I first became aware of how far Cronenberg had come as a filmmaker. Cronenberg is a visual artist fully in charge of his filmmaking gifts. And he brings these gifts to Promises. The film is a sumptuous view of London. Everything seems to be informed by the high end Russian Restaurant that is at the heart of the evil that saturates this film. I did not enjoy Promises on anywhere near the visceral level I enjoyed History. History contains two of the hottest sex scenes in film history. Promises contains one of the most desultory ones. Viggo Mortensen and Mario Bello have tangible heat in History. Mortensen and Naomi Watts barely glance off one another in Promises. Both the Tom Stall/Joey Cusack character played by Mortensen in Violence and the Nikolai character he plays in Promises are avenging angels. In fact, Eastern Promises is virtually an inside-out version of Violence, with the heroes on a similar though inverse journies toward redemption. I was annoyed and disappointed by Ratoutille. Although critics hailed it, to me it seems like the lesser of a string of great Brad Bird animated movies, starting with the Iron Giant. Part of my problem was the old school 2-D animation. Part of my problem is the needed suspension of belief. EYE was never able to get past the premise of that fat rat preparing food in the kitchen. YEEECH! ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: wow!
Re: [scifinoir2] Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
I'll give it a go later, Keith. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you can do the chapter search, just look for a few key scenes: * superman saving the plane from crashing--nice FX, the most talked about in the movie, but not my fav * superman saving the crowd in Metropolis during the earthquake --there's an amazing moment when debris falls from buildings, threatening the crowd below. Superman is flying away from the scene, sees the danger, and, while still flying in the same direction, flips over (doin an aerial backstroke of sorts) and pulverizes the debris with his heat vision. The aerial move is really quite lovely, the kind of thing you rarely see superheroes do. Usually they just fly in a simple direction. It's a special scene that i equate to those rare moments in space films when a spaceship actually manuevers in the third dimension, instead of the strange convention of always operating in two dimensions as they usally do. * Lex stabbing Superman -- the comedic Lex Luthor pisses me off, the evil, sinister one is great. When Stacey drove that Kryptonite splinth into Supe's side, leering with triumph and malice i literally shouted yeah! That's the Luthor I want to see! A powerful dark moment that shows what this movie could--should--have been * Superman powering up -- still suffering from Green K poisoning, Clark flies into the upper atmosphere to expose himself to direct sunligh. he hovers there for a moment in tragic glory, absording the lifeblood of Sol before going back to do the impossible (see below). It's a majestic moment, him above the clouds, bathing in that light. I remembering whispering wow, they get it at that simple scene. * Superman lifting the new island into the sky -- okay, I'm also *not* a fan of the godlike Superman of he movies, the one with powers that allow him to move whole planets. But, this scene of him lifting an entire piece of land--while green K keeps growing from it, killing him--is, well, soaring. * Falling from the sky --after taxing himself by lifting the island, Clark blacks out and falls thousands of feet to Earth. Again, another majestic, powerful scene, showing that Singer gets it, able to merge action, FX, music, drama, and the magic of comics into one scene. All of the above are the essence of Superman, from the soaring majesty of demigod to the gee-whiz of just having powers, to the solemnity of having all that power yet feeling so alone. But outside of that? One long, boring series of Lex cracking wise, Lana with the puppy dog eyes, and just generally insipid plotting. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can get behind that. I've got the movie right now, one of those slightly-illicit versions. Think I watched about ten minutes of it before turning it off. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of Big Blue, and never have been (all of Chris Reeve's exploits, I saw though video), but the movie, to me, was supremely unengaging. Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So we can just all pretend that Superman Returns never happened, then. On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Singer Won't Do Next Superman? http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=46890 Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is highly unlikely that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next Superman movie. Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The Mayor of Castro Street. The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of youthful superheroes in ... Justice League, Thompson wrote. That movie will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is resolved. Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
(hugging Tracey) tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darryl: You said to Gymfig, It is straight up insulting to assume the things you are about Black people, but particularly, it is insulting to come off the way you are to this group. You¹re talking to us like we¹re children who haven¹t done anything with our lives. Many of us HAVE children. You give NO scientific references for your observations, and you make these grand sweeping judgments based on something you read, for all we know, on someone¹s blog. We¹re scientists, business owners, mathematicians, elected officials, engineers, husbands, fathers, mothers, sisters...this ain¹t rehab, this is one of the most together groups of people you will (apparently) ever come across online. Please respect that. We don¹t deserve to be shouted at like we¹re this rebel band of liberal hippies. We¹re not. And this isn¹t the first time you¹ve done it.We¹re all adults. Why can¹t you just disagree with someone and keep it moving? Your mistake is that you are expecting civil, intellectual discourse that involves a sharing ideas and opinions and backing them up with cold hard facts. That is not what you will get in a continued discourse here. This is not about difference of opinion, but about distorting the facts, name calling, hating of men - specifically Black men, Saying the all of us have a particular behavior lumping some behaviors distorting what you say, misunderstanding what you say, intentionally not addressing salient points, or simply cutting them out of the reply message to further confuse the issue. The point is to anger and wound you with these distortions, not share differing opinions. The style of communicating reminds me of a style of a pundit called Bill Kristol, a famous neocon who works for the Weekly Standard. He says things like ~90 percent of the people on the Nobel Committee are into child pornography and molestation. ~Of all of the dictators in the past, you know the one Al Gore strikes me as [being] closest [to] is Mussolini., ~Notice what this double-talking slut just did, this mind-slut Barbara Walters. And I stick by those words. She's an empty mind-slut.. ~ Madeline Albright is a traitor. In my opinion, she should be tried for treason, and when she's found guilty, she should be hung. ; ~Liberalism is, in essence, the HIV virus, and it weakens the defense cells of a nation. Its not that he is right wing. Like Gymfig, its that his method of discourse is to incite, insult, distort and enrage. Pat Robertson and Joe Scarborough are right wingers who I can watch (even if I might not like them) They back up their statements with facts and don't seek to insult people in their discussions and debates and can concede when their facts are incorrect. That won't happen here in this or any other conversation as far as I can see. This style of non -communication goes back years and seems to have been developed into a full-blown art-form. I've noticed that Gymfig does this with all her discussions. We do not usually pay as much attention to it because she usually just puts down and distorts the facts about entertainers. I'm responding now, because she is doing so about us and our people. I will probably posting this, but I do not know when I've encountered someone say so many ugly sweeping generalizations about me and my people without backing it up with one fact that was not distorted or who worked so hard to distort what I have posted. So here it is. This is Black on Black crime and I abhor it. I guess I have drawn the line in the sand. I did not want to, but the Savage syndrome is likely to continue, so I guess I thought I would let people know what type of non-conversation they are becoming involved with and let them decide if they want to waste their time. Besides I'm sick of the ridiculing insults. Darryl, I applaud you for shutting the sick abusive game down. With so many of our liberties being taken away from us, I loath to stop someone from posting their opinion. I think different opinions have been one of the best things about the list. As a daughter of a former Black Union leader who ran two union newsletter I place a high value on freedom of speech (thats right a Black Union Leader-wow!) So preventing someone from posting is something I have extremely reluctant to do. Taking a deep depressed exhausted sigh.. Tracey It is straight up insulting to assume the things you are about Black people, but particularly, it is insulting to come off the way you are to this group. You¹re talking to us like we¹re children who haven¹t done anything with our lives. Many of us HAVE children. You give NO scientific references for your observations, and you make these grand sweeping judgments based on something you read, for all we know, on someone¹s blog. We¹re scientists, business owners, mathematicians, elected officials, engineers, husbands, fathers, mothers,
[scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
If you have given Children of Men one viewing, I suggest you watch it again (and then again, if necessary). Director Alphonso Cuaron does something cinema should always do but seldom does. He tells his story visually with as little verbal exposition as he can get away with. I admit to being a little stumped by Men also, but on subsequent viewing, I realized Cuaron had given me all information I needed in televison news reports and commercials that, on first viewing, are assumed to be just part of the busy mise-en-scene. For instance, he does not direct our attention to the commercial for the suicide medicine Quietus as it plays and when one of the characters picks the box of Quietus off the shelf and sits caressing the box in his lap as he spends his last moments with his loved one, it is done quietly, without fanfare. If you have not been paying attention, you have no clue as to what is about to transpire. Other bits of exposition are givin in throwaway lines. I loved Dead Ringers and Jeremy Irons scene-chewing turn as very disturbed twin gynecologists. Have you seen Cronenberg's A History of Violence? If not, I would be curious as to what your opinion of that film. I am a huge Tarantino fan (no apologies needed). Pulp Fiction is my favorite movie of all time. My list is composed entirely of films I can watch again and again with full satisfaction. Further, I think Eli Roth is a gifted filmmaker. I had avoided Hostel because of the subject matter, but I was pleasantly surprised when I saw it. It is very well made. Roth wields a masterful camera. I also think he is lightyears ahead of where Cronenberg was at the same time in his career. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, grayson.reyescole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I enjoyed Children of Men a great deal but was disappointed with the ending. I won't put any spoilers in but I wached it intently all the way through just *captivated* then sort of went huh?. I also just saw Eastern Promises two days ago and I liked it a lot maybe *because* of the clinical approach. I am ridiculously easy to distract. So, sometimes the very straightforward, removed tone helps me focus on the intensity of the story. I saw Dead Ringers when I was way too young to see it and it scarred me for life lol. I haven't seen it again in maybe ten years, but what I remember is that it was an absolutely horrible and fascinating story that had an almost nonchalance in the voice without being something ludicrous like the silly Eli Roth and Tarentino fare (sorry Roth and Tarentino fans). I didn't realize until like a week ago that both Eastern Promises and Dead Ringers were directed by David Cronenberg, but then I understood even better why Eastern Promises hit my movie spot. Although, I was left with a sexuality question... Stangely enough, I'm thinking back to Dead Ringers and I think I had a sexuality question there, too. All of this to say that maybe I listen to news radio too much on my way to work. Calm soothing voices telling me about the horrors of the world. :) . Just my 2¢ --Grayson In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Great comments! I was amazed at the Simpsons take, but i went to BoxOfficeMojo.com and confirmed it did half a *billion* dollars so far! Holy crap! And most of that was overseas! Can't wait to see Children of Men. I agree with you on Eastern Promises. Looked great, was a good movie, but left me rather despondent and empty feeling inside. It is indeed cold and clinical (what my review was called, i believe) where History of Violence was more intense. still i liked them both. So for Ratatouille, is it the 3D cgi you don't like? Are you and old school 2D hand drawn fan? I am, and very few of the CGI stuff has really captured me, though The Incredibles certainly did. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal ravenadal@ I started with The Simpsons Movie which, I am glad I did not pay to see in a theatre as it comes nowhere near any of the great Simpson episodes. It is, however, the environmental movie with the largest box office, thus far: $525,797,315 (as much of an inconvenient truth as that may be for Nobel laureate Al Gore). I followed that with Children of Men, which I have had forever, but just now got around to seeing. Keith, this is a marvelous movie. Alphonso Cuaron's film is so organic and fully realized, it is like you are not even watching a movie. Paul Greengrass gets lots of press for the immediacy of his handheld camera style in the Bourne sequels but he has nothing on Cuaron. One of the lovely things about watching DVDs at home, besides the ability to pause, rewind and fast forward, is the ability to go on-line while you are watching. When the question who is that? popped into my head, I could go to IMDB and find out who dat was. I spent another two hours
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
--- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seriously doubt it. But, barring a complete collapse by the Democrats on all fronts (still possible), there's no way the Republicans will win the election. Dirty tricks included. Given that the last two elections were won by the candidates not in the White House, the performance of the Democrats might be 100%irrelevant. Considering the amount of election tampering and fraud committed in the last two Presidential elections, it is certainly not unthinkable that it will happen again. Additionally, considering the Democrats penchant for collusion through imcompetence, a Republican victory is not unthinkable. Just think how different the world would be had Gore had the balls to hold the course and demand his right to a recount of the whole state of Florida, instead of focusing on a couple of disputed counties. Not one Democrat has ever even suggested an investigation into election tampering and fraud in spite of the overwhelming evidence that both elections were absolutely fixed to varying degrees. I might be a cynical old dirtbag but I don't think a Democratic White House is a forgone conclusion no matter who the winner might be. Bosco --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seriously doubt it. But, barring a complete collapse by the Democrats on all fronts (still possible), there's no way the Republicans will win the election. Dirty tricks included. I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
BTW... I saw A History of Violence and I liked it... I'm interested in your take on Rob Zombie... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have given Children of Men one viewing, I suggest you watch it again (and then again, if necessary). Director Alphonso Cuaron does something cinema should always do but seldom does. He tells his story visually with as little verbal exposition as he can get away with. I admit to being a little stumped by Men also, but on subsequent viewing, I realized Cuaron had given me all information I needed in televison news reports and commercials that, on first viewing, are assumed to be just part of the busy mise-en-scene. For instance, he does not direct our attention to the commercial for the suicide medicine Quietus as it plays and when one of the characters picks the box of Quietus off the shelf and sits caressing the box in his lap as he spends his last moments with his loved one, it is done quietly, without fanfare. If you have not been paying attention, you have no clue as to what is about to transpire. Other bits of exposition are givin in throwaway lines. I loved Dead Ringers and Jeremy Irons scene-chewing turn as very disturbed twin gynecologists. Have you seen Cronenberg's A History of Violence? If not, I would be curious as to what your opinion of that film. I am a huge Tarantino fan (no apologies needed). Pulp Fiction is my favorite movie of all time. My list is composed entirely of films I can watch again and again with full satisfaction. Further, I think Eli Roth is a gifted filmmaker. I had avoided Hostel because of the subject matter, but I was pleasantly surprised when I saw it. It is very well made. Roth wields a masterful camera. I also think he is lightyears ahead of where Cronenberg was at the same time in his career. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, grayson.reyescole grayson@ wrote: I enjoyed Children of Men a great deal but was disappointed with the ending. I won't put any spoilers in but I wached it intently all the way through just *captivated* then sort of went huh?. I also just saw Eastern Promises two days ago and I liked it a lot maybe *because* of the clinical approach. I am ridiculously easy to distract. So, sometimes the very straightforward, removed tone helps me focus on the intensity of the story. I saw Dead Ringers when I was way too young to see it and it scarred me for life lol. I haven't seen it again in maybe ten years, but what I remember is that it was an absolutely horrible and fascinating story that had an almost nonchalance in the voice without being something ludicrous like the silly Eli Roth and Tarentino fare (sorry Roth and Tarentino fans). I didn't realize until like a week ago that both Eastern Promises and Dead Ringers were directed by David Cronenberg, but then I understood even better why Eastern Promises hit my movie spot. Although, I was left with a sexuality question... Stangely enough, I'm thinking back to Dead Ringers and I think I had a sexuality question there, too. All of this to say that maybe I listen to news radio too much on my way to work. Calm soothing voices telling me about the horrors of the world. :) . Just my 2¢ --Grayson In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Great comments! I was amazed at the Simpsons take, but i went to BoxOfficeMojo.com and confirmed it did half a *billion* dollars so far! Holy crap! And most of that was overseas! Can't wait to see Children of Men. I agree with you on Eastern Promises. Looked great, was a good movie, but left me rather despondent and empty feeling inside. It is indeed cold and clinical (what my review was called, i believe) where History of Violence was more intense. still i liked them both. So for Ratatouille, is it the 3D cgi you don't like? Are you and old school 2D hand drawn fan? I am, and very few of the CGI stuff has really captured me, though The Incredibles certainly did. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal ravenadal@ I started with The Simpsons Movie which, I am glad I did not pay to see in a theatre as it comes nowhere near any of the great Simpson episodes. It is, however, the environmental movie with the largest box office, thus far: $525,797,315 (as much of an inconvenient truth as that may be for Nobel laureate Al Gore). I followed that with Children of Men, which I have had forever, but just now got around to seeing. Keith, this is a marvelous movie. Alphonso Cuaron's film is so organic and fully realized, it is like you are not even watching a movie. Paul Greengrass gets lots of press for the immediacy of his handheld camera style in the Bourne sequels but he has nothing on
[scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
Everyone's entitled to their opinion and their likes and dislikes. I can assure you, though, that I reject nothing without evaluating... I actually did watch Children of men more than once and I'm one of those people who pays strict attention to backgrounds and details. That's why I said I get easily distracted. I've also been known to irritate people by rewinding scenes to make sure I got everything. I can't comment on who's better than who at the same age as I typically ignore those comparisons mainly because the context is typically different. I'm sure half the baseball players today would destroy great players from the past because past players didn't have HGH. I find that by the time I get to the all else equal there's nothing left to compare. --Grayson --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have given Children of Men one viewing, I suggest you watch it again (and then again, if necessary). Director Alphonso Cuaron does something cinema should always do but seldom does. He tells his story visually with as little verbal exposition as he can get away with. I admit to being a little stumped by Men also, but on subsequent viewing, I realized Cuaron had given me all information I needed in televison news reports and commercials that, on first viewing, are assumed to be just part of the busy mise-en-scene. For instance, he does not direct our attention to the commercial for the suicide medicine Quietus as it plays and when one of the characters picks the box of Quietus off the shelf and sits caressing the box in his lap as he spends his last moments with his loved one, it is done quietly, without fanfare. If you have not been paying attention, you have no clue as to what is about to transpire. Other bits of exposition are givin in throwaway lines. I loved Dead Ringers and Jeremy Irons scene-chewing turn as very disturbed twin gynecologists. Have you seen Cronenberg's A History of Violence? If not, I would be curious as to what your opinion of that film. I am a huge Tarantino fan (no apologies needed). Pulp Fiction is my favorite movie of all time. My list is composed entirely of films I can watch again and again with full satisfaction. Further, I think Eli Roth is a gifted filmmaker. I had avoided Hostel because of the subject matter, but I was pleasantly surprised when I saw it. It is very well made. Roth wields a masterful camera. I also think he is lightyears ahead of where Cronenberg was at the same time in his career. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, grayson.reyescole grayson@ wrote: I enjoyed Children of Men a great deal but was disappointed with the ending. I won't put any spoilers in but I wached it intently all the way through just *captivated* then sort of went huh?. I also just saw Eastern Promises two days ago and I liked it a lot maybe *because* of the clinical approach. I am ridiculously easy to distract. So, sometimes the very straightforward, removed tone helps me focus on the intensity of the story. I saw Dead Ringers when I was way too young to see it and it scarred me for life lol. I haven't seen it again in maybe ten years, but what I remember is that it was an absolutely horrible and fascinating story that had an almost nonchalance in the voice without being something ludicrous like the silly Eli Roth and Tarentino fare (sorry Roth and Tarentino fans). I didn't realize until like a week ago that both Eastern Promises and Dead Ringers were directed by David Cronenberg, but then I understood even better why Eastern Promises hit my movie spot. Although, I was left with a sexuality question... Stangely enough, I'm thinking back to Dead Ringers and I think I had a sexuality question there, too. All of this to say that maybe I listen to news radio too much on my way to work. Calm soothing voices telling me about the horrors of the world. :) . Just my 2¢ --Grayson In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Great comments! I was amazed at the Simpsons take, but i went to BoxOfficeMojo.com and confirmed it did half a *billion* dollars so far! Holy crap! And most of that was overseas! Can't wait to see Children of Men. I agree with you on Eastern Promises. Looked great, was a good movie, but left me rather despondent and empty feeling inside. It is indeed cold and clinical (what my review was called, i believe) where History of Violence was more intense. still i liked them both. So for Ratatouille, is it the 3D cgi you don't like? Are you and old school 2D hand drawn fan? I am, and very few of the CGI stuff has really captured me, though The Incredibles certainly did. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal ravenadal@ I started with The Simpsons Movie which, I am
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
Exactly. It's so much like the entire Social Security/health-care issue, that the people leaping up to make the decisions aren't going to be affected by them. Atlanta Medical Center and Northside aren't about to take the overflow. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree, and i'm stunned anyone would even talk about closing Grady. If the other hospitals in the area could (or would) take all the people it'd cut loose, that'd be one thing. But even then that would suck 'cause how many people have the time and means to go outside the city for health care? I like Edwards' focus on helping the poor and those with insurance -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, not by a longshot. Class warfare, IMO, is exactly what's going on. A couple of years ago, I had to go to Grady to get my scrips rewritten. (For the record, Grady is the biggest hospital here in Atlanta, and doing anything in there is an all-day proposition). As I'm waiting, sitting next to a man who's coughing up a lung, his wife at the point of shattering because they'd been there since five that morn (it was almost four in the afternoon at this time) and the docs *still* didn't know what was wrong with him, and hadn't even bothered to consider the need to admit him), a story popped up on Headline News, that then-Governor Pataki (NY) had been hospitalized for a ruptured appendix. According to the report, he felt ill at five that morn, his driver took him to the hospital at six, and he was in surgery at seven. It was a nice laugh-and-cry session. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so you think Edwards went too far in his righteous anger? -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMO, Edawrds could'v epulled in that younger ticket as easily as Obama did, had he not opted to take the hyper-reformist tack that he did. Many on both sides of the aisle are veiwing it as something akin to class warfare, and Republicans are uniting against him for that reason. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agreed. It points out a few things. One, that every generation there's a man or woman who can reach those still young and idealistic enough to believe that a true change is a-comin: the Kennedy's, Bill Clinton, now Obama. Two, the only problem is that sometimes the young and idealistic don't stay all the way to the end, and the old cynical fogeys turn out in greater numbers. Not always, but often. Three, Clinton has really been staying put, as you said, not really standing *for* anything, just saying I have more experience and I'm tougher. Static message heard too many times. Finally, i believe that *any* frontrunner would have seen a decline in the numbers because this went on too freakin' long. had Obama started out as the clear frontrunner and gotten all the focus, all the attention, all the attacks, I believe that after a campaign this long, people would have started picking at him, too. I know enough folks right now who aren't enamored of him. If he'd been in front all along this might have been a three-way day, or Edwards might have pulled ahead simply by dint of seeming to be newer and fresher. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just had a look at some of the voter breakdowns, and it seems that Obama won through youth more than gender. He's energized the kids out there. Hillary standing pat hurt her in the voters' eyes, IMO. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 2:48:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or a Black man. the only thing i'm sure of is you won't see them on the same ticket! no way America'd elect a woman and a Brother in the same year! So they go with the man because they really dobn't want to see a woma? **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of
[scifinoir2] Movies Watched Over The Holiday
The following are the movies i saw over the holiday. 28 Weeks Later - I'm not a zombie movie fan, but 28 days later was quickly converting me. I saw that as a soon to be classic. @8 weeks later lost me with the scores of thoughtless plotholes and the Rumsfeld like management of the US military First Snow - I really wanted to like this. It was co-written by by the screenwriter of Childrren of Men. After watching this, I'm an even bigger fan of Alfonso Cuarón, because this script with its almost unlikeable hero totally lost me. Where as Children of men villians were even likable Night Watch - After hearing the recommendations made by the group. I rented both Nightwatch and Daywatch. I sometimes like movies simply because they are different. I think Nightwatch falls into that category. I felt like I watch getting a true glimpse into Russian culture. However, I thought this was a bad movie jumbling up every speculative fiction movie cliche into a somewhat jumbled mess. I feel so uncool :( with so many on the list liking it. If possible, it had even more plotholes than 28 weeks Day Watch - I felt this was better made then its predecessor. Unfortunately, I caught a really nasty cold and fell asleep during some of it. When I woke up, I was still able to follow it Stardust - I was surprised that I enjoyed this tongue in cheek fantasy with cross-dressing pirates and sex on the first date princess. It was a fun ride The Invisible- I enjoyed this, but from commentary I read about the swedish book it was adapted from the ending which was unexplained made the hero, his mom and hospital staff seem cold and unfeeling. It also left you not understanding the actions of the villian at the end. So finish the movie thinking WTF?!?! The Bourne Ultimatum - I loved both Bourne 1 and 2 almost equal. Watch them was like eating two great flavors of my favorite upscale ice cream. While Bourne 3 did not disappoint with the cast and storyline, I was not as fired up. I can not tell you why. I did enjoy it though and Damon says he's up for Bourne 4. I will problaby be there Powerpuff Girls Christmas - Brent Wodehouse has been raving about these girls for Years. Since my four year old daughter was starting to get into Batman and Superman, I though I find yer a female superhero and see what Brent was raving about. Well she resisted, but from the intro song they had her. Now shes flying around making specil effects noises telling anyone who will listen that she is a power puff girl. I'm not in love with them like Brent is, but I do like them and enjoy the effect of her. Being a good girl seemed more important after being introduced to her and Angelica on the Rugrats. She loves singing the Powever Puff Girls rap song Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End- It Did not have the magic of the first Pirates movies, but it was a great improvement over the second Pirat Movie. I enjoyed it Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Movies Watched Over The Holiday
EVERYBODY REAL MEN WATCH LIFETIME WITH THEIR WIVES !!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Planned to see several, but my wife wasn't feeling all that hot, so we only saw Juno at the theatre. Very good movie, glad I saw it. Outside of that, i watched a bunch of by-the-numbers westerns and romances on Lifetime and Hallmark Channels, and caught up on recordings of Legion and Batman. And yes---i said I watched Lifetime Channel! I'm man enough to be comfortable watching a sappy love story with my wife! :) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Gang: What movies did you watch over the holidays? The would include in the theatre, on DVD, and on TV. What movies did you like and which were duds? Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Terminator: Sarah Chronicles 1st episode preview
My bet is that the creator of SkyNet is Dyson's son. I knew I should have submitted my pitch years ago after T3... (Anyone want to check it out, email me) Enjoy, http://tv.yahoo.com/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles/show/39221/videos/5821348 www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
good points. I think one or two Dems have called for investigations into the vote fraud and riggings, Kucinich among them, and a couple members of the CBC. -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seriously doubt it. But, barring a complete collapse by the Democrats on all fronts (still possible), there's no way the Republicans will win the election. Dirty tricks included. Given that the last two elections were won by the candidates not in the White House, the performance of the Democrats might be 100%irrelevant. Considering the amount of election tampering and fraud committed in the last two Presidential elections, it is certainly not unthinkable that it will happen again. Additionally, considering the Democrats penchant for collusion through imcompetence, a Republican victory is not unthinkable. Just think how different the world would be had Gore had the balls to hold the course and demand his right to a recount of the whole state of Florida, instead of focusing on a couple of disputed counties. Not one Democrat has ever even suggested an investigation into election tampering and fraud in spite of the overwhelming evidence that both elections were absolutely fixed to varying degrees. I might be a cynical old dirtbag but I don't think a Democratic White House is a forgone conclusion no matter who the winner might be. Bosco --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seriously doubt it. But, barring a complete collapse by the Democrats on all fronts (still possible), there's no way the Republicans will win the election. Dirty tricks included. I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
Too bad there was nearly two hours of mediocre that surrounded the good stuff. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you can do the chapter search, just look for a few key scenes: * superman saving the plane from crashing--nice FX, the most talked about in the movie, but not my fav * superman saving the crowd in Metropolis during the earthquake --there's an amazing moment when debris falls from buildings, threatening the crowd below. Superman is flying away from the scene, sees the danger, and, while still flying in the same direction, flips over (doin an aerial backstroke of sorts) and pulverizes the debris with his heat vision. The aerial move is really quite lovely, the kind of thing you rarely see superheroes do. Usually they just fly in a simple direction. It's a special scene that i equate to those rare moments in space films when a spaceship actually manuevers in the third dimension, instead of the strange convention of always operating in two dimensions as they usally do. * Lex stabbing Superman -- the comedic Lex Luthor pisses me off, the evil, sinister one is great. When Stacey drove that Kryptonite splinth into Supe's side, leering with triumph and malice i literally shouted yeah! That's the Luthor I want to see! A powerful dark moment that shows what this movie could--should--have been * Superman powering up -- still suffering from Green K poisoning, Clark flies into the upper atmosphere to expose himself to direct sunligh. he hovers there for a moment in tragic glory, absording the lifeblood of Sol before going back to do the impossible (see below). It's a majestic moment, him above the clouds, bathing in that light. I remembering whispering wow, they get it at that simple scene. * Superman lifting the new island into the sky -- okay, I'm also *not* a fan of the godlike Superman of he movies, the one with powers that allow him to move whole planets. But, this scene of him lifting an entire piece of land--while green K keeps growing from it, killing him--is, well, soaring. * Falling from the sky --after taxing himself by lifting the island, Clark blacks out and falls thousands of feet to Earth. Again, another majestic, powerful scene, showing that Singer gets it, able to merge action, FX, music, drama, and the magic of comics into one scene. All of the above are the essence of Superman, from the soaring majesty of demigod to the gee-whiz of just having powers, to the solemnity of having all that power yet feeling so alone. But outside of that? One long, boring series of Lex cracking wise, Lana with the puppy dog eyes, and just generally insipid plotting. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can get behind that. I've got the movie right now, one of those slightly-illicit versions. Think I watched about ten minutes of it before turning it off. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of Big Blue, and never have been (all of Chris Reeve's exploits, I saw though video), but the movie, to me, was supremely unengaging. Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So we can just all pretend that Superman Returns never happened, then. On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Singer Won't Do Next Superman? http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=46890 Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is highly unlikely that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next Superman movie. Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The Mayor of Castro Street. The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of youthful superheroes in ... Justice League, Thompson wrote. That movie will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is resolved. Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Movies Watched Over The Holiday
I watch Lifetime, and I'm single. Either that makes me a babe magnet, or it keeps me from being pelted with frying pans... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EVERYBODY REAL MEN WATCH LIFETIME WITH THEIR WIVES !!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Planned to see several, but my wife wasn't feeling all that hot, so we only saw Juno at the theatre. Very good movie, glad I saw it. Outside of that, i watched a bunch of by-the-numbers westerns and romances on Lifetime and Hallmark Channels, and caught up on recordings of Legion and Batman. And yes---i said I watched Lifetime Channel! I'm man enough to be comfortable watching a sappy love story with my wife! :) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Gang: What movies did you watch over the holidays? The would include in the theatre, on DVD, and on TV. What movies did you like and which were duds? Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
I thought House of 1000 Corpses was amateurish. The Devil's Rejects has a gonzo, over-the-top insouciance that was not unappealing. I found it a stone gas that Sig Haig, the bad guy of every Pam Grier celluloid wet dream I paid to see in the 70's was still working (at 68). I enjoyed Zombie's Halloween, especially the white trash preface he effectively used to connect the dots to the monster young Michael Meyers became. I also think Zombie is a better filmmaker than John Carpenter who, I always felt, had better ideas than execution. Replacing the great Donald Pleasence with Malcolm McDowell was an inspired choice. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, grayson.reyescole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW... I saw A History of Violence and I liked it... I'm interested in your take on Rob Zombie... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: If you have given Children of Men one viewing, I suggest you watch it again (and then again, if necessary). Director Alphonso Cuaron does something cinema should always do but seldom does. He tells his story visually with as little verbal exposition as he can get away with. I admit to being a little stumped by Men also, but on subsequent viewing, I realized Cuaron had given me all information I needed in televison news reports and commercials that, on first viewing, are assumed to be just part of the busy mise-en-scene. For instance, he does not direct our attention to the commercial for the suicide medicine Quietus as it plays and when one of the characters picks the box of Quietus off the shelf and sits caressing the box in his lap as he spends his last moments with his loved one, it is done quietly, without fanfare. If you have not been paying attention, you have no clue as to what is about to transpire. Other bits of exposition are givin in throwaway lines. I loved Dead Ringers and Jeremy Irons scene-chewing turn as very disturbed twin gynecologists. Have you seen Cronenberg's A History of Violence? If not, I would be curious as to what your opinion of that film. I am a huge Tarantino fan (no apologies needed). Pulp Fiction is my favorite movie of all time. My list is composed entirely of films I can watch again and again with full satisfaction. Further, I think Eli Roth is a gifted filmmaker. I had avoided Hostel because of the subject matter, but I was pleasantly surprised when I saw it. It is very well made. Roth wields a masterful camera. I also think he is lightyears ahead of where Cronenberg was at the same time in his career. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, grayson.reyescole grayson@ wrote: I enjoyed Children of Men a great deal but was disappointed with the ending. I won't put any spoilers in but I wached it intently all the way through just *captivated* then sort of went huh?. I also just saw Eastern Promises two days ago and I liked it a lot maybe *because* of the clinical approach. I am ridiculously easy to distract. So, sometimes the very straightforward, removed tone helps me focus on the intensity of the story. I saw Dead Ringers when I was way too young to see it and it scarred me for life lol. I haven't seen it again in maybe ten years, but what I remember is that it was an absolutely horrible and fascinating story that had an almost nonchalance in the voice without being something ludicrous like the silly Eli Roth and Tarentino fare (sorry Roth and Tarentino fans). I didn't realize until like a week ago that both Eastern Promises and Dead Ringers were directed by David Cronenberg, but then I understood even better why Eastern Promises hit my movie spot. Although, I was left with a sexuality question... Stangely enough, I'm thinking back to Dead Ringers and I think I had a sexuality question there, too. All of this to say that maybe I listen to news radio too much on my way to work. Calm soothing voices telling me about the horrors of the world. :) . Just my 2¢ --Grayson In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Great comments! I was amazed at the Simpsons take, but i went to BoxOfficeMojo.com and confirmed it did half a *billion* dollars so far! Holy crap! And most of that was overseas! Can't wait to see Children of Men. I agree with you on Eastern Promises. Looked great, was a good movie, but left me rather despondent and empty feeling inside. It is indeed cold and clinical (what my review was called, i believe) where History of Violence was more intense. still i liked them both. So for Ratatouille, is it the 3D cgi you don't like? Are you and old school 2D hand drawn fan? I am, and very few of the CGI stuff has really captured me, though The Incredibles certainly
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
Daryle Thanks to you, I added Things to Come and blade Runner to my Netflix que. rush hour 3 is sitting on my coffee table, I did not even know I had it in my rental que. I know critics panned the guy Pearce version of Time Machine, but I enjoyed seeing it as a rental From: Daryle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:13 PM To: SciFi Noir Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday Last night, TCM had an HG Wells double feature. ³Things To Come², which is awesome because everyone in the future wears capes, and ³The Time Machine². I always hated the 1960 version of the Time Machine, as it¹s one of the whitest depictions of the future ever, but it¹s a great story, and for 1960 special effects, you can¹t beat it. Watching it, though, you really get a feeling for what the Guy Pearce version was going for. I think the remake may be a superior picture. I also watched: Blade Runner The Final Cut. This gets a hell yeah from me. ³It¹s A Wonderful Life² - I had never seen this film. I can¹t believe it¹s so popular. ³Rush Hour 3² - These movies need to start being distributed by tourism departments of exotic countries. They serve no other purpose but to make you want to go to the cities they are shot in. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
I never said that blacks are anti union. I said that the America people including black Americans have allowed organizations like unions to disapper . I am saying that there is racism, but blakcs can not blame all of their problems on racism. They have to look at t heir own lives and take responsibility for it. I said that the disappearence of American jobs is not just a goverment conspiracy. The democratic congress, CBC, have not fought to keep jobs in America. I NEVER said that BLACK peopple never want to pay taxes. I am not down with anybody at the moment. Obama is not a liberal and will not offer change. It is impossible in this environment to do so. The LIBERAL congress offered changed but have voted to help BUSH every step of the way. they have not stopped the war, they still sell out American jobs. The CBC is not calling for a change in lobbyist. They want a piece of the pork pie. They are doing the same thing whites are doing. There ware BLACK corporations and black people that are benefitting for thewar too. The is not a whit man's war. You must be senile to think that Obama is going to tell the corporations to stop funding the war. You must be senile to think that Edwards is going to stop corporate interest. You must be senile to think that a change in color will mean a change in policy. It is insulting to have a bunch of people who want a black man for president but think that racism will always exist. If change is comig, then the civil rights movement must also change. Blacks can not cling to the CRM of the 20 or the 21 century without taking soem responsibility for themselves. We have to become more like other ethnicities. Less complaining, more hard work. Change will come and we will have to start at home and take some responsibility. i I dont assume to blacks are poor, but those who are stuck must change or be left behind. It is a hard road but it must be done. It does not matter who is in office, there must be change. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Movies Watched Over The Holiday
Powerpuff girls are great, funny as heck. I love Dexter's Laboratory as well. As for the Bourne Ultimatum, maybe it was what i was saying the other day: that it was a really good movie with fantastic fighting and action, but not as rich in plotting and acting as the first one. I like the Bourne Identity because it had the mystery of who Jason was, the suspense of what part Treadstone was playing, etc. It was more satisfying on that level, with a better balance of action and plotting. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following are the movies i saw over the holiday. 28 Weeks Later - I'm not a zombie movie fan, but 28 days later was quickly converting me. I saw that as a soon to be classic. @8 weeks later lost me with the scores of thoughtless plotholes and the Rumsfeld like management of the US military First Snow - I really wanted to like this. It was co-written by by the screenwriter of Childrren of Men. After watching this, I'm an even bigger fan of Alfonso Cuarón, because this script with its almost unlikeable hero totally lost me. Where as Children of men villians were even likable Night Watch - After hearing the recommendations made by the group. I rented both Nightwatch and Daywatch. I sometimes like movies simply because they are different. I think Nightwatch falls into that category. I felt like I watch getting a true glimpse into Russian culture. However, I thought this was a bad movie jumbling up every speculative fiction movie cliche into a somewhat jumbled mess. I feel so uncool :( with so many on the list liking it. If possible, it had even more plotholes than 28 weeks Day Watch - I felt this was better made then its predecessor. Unfortunately, I caught a really nasty cold and fell asleep during some of it. When I woke up, I was still able to follow it Stardust - I was surprised that I enjoyed this tongue in cheek fantasy with cross-dressing pirates and sex on the first date princess. It was a fun ride The Invisible - I enjoyed this, but from commentary I read about the swedish book it was adapted from the ending which was unexplained made the hero, his mom and hospital staff seem cold and unfeeling. It also left you not understanding the actions of the villian at the end. So finish the movie thinking WTF?!?! The Bourne Ultimatum - I loved both Bourne 1 and 2 almost equal. Watch them was like eating two great flavors of my favorite upscale ice cream. While Bourne 3 did not disappoint with the cast and storyline, I was not as fired up. I can not tell you why. I did enjoy it though and Damon says he's up for Bourne 4. I will problaby be there Powerpuff Girls Christmas - Brent Wodehouse has been raving about these girls for Years. Since my four year old daughter was starting to get into Batman and Superman, I though I find yer a female superhero and see what Brent was raving about. Well she resisted, but from the intro song they had her. Now shes flying around making specil effects noises telling anyone who will listen that she is a power puff girl. I'm not in love with them like Brent is, but I do like them and enjoy the effect of her. Being a good girl seemed more important after being introduced to her and Angelica on the Rugrats. She loves singing the Powever Puff Girls rap song Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End- It Did not have the magic of the first Pirates movies, but it was a great improvement over the second Pirat Movie. I enjoyed it Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Movies Watched Over The Holiday
You are too funny! tonight I flipped between the Democratic debate and football, and the debate won the evening. The exchange between Clinton, Obama and Edwards when she lost her cool, and *both* guys reminded her that she came in third in Iowa--priceless! I'm going to look for that scene on the Net. If you ddin't see the debate that one exchange is worth watching. It'll probably show up on You Tube under a title of something ike Obama and Edwards Gang up on Clinton. Good stuff! Sitting there, I had a vision of an Obama/Edwards ticket. Assuming America could get past its prejudice, that would be a powerful ticket, in style if not in full substance. Another thing I noticed was that the candidates--and why was Kucinich exluded?!--kept saying they were for Change. Indeed, they all fell all over themselves saying they were for change. Primarily, it was all Obama's opponents doing this. So Obama has gotten the concept encapsulated in that one word--Change--to become front and cen ter, with his opponents rushing to prove their for it too. In other words, Obama was setting the tone and the directon of the discourse, which is a powerful thing. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] EVERYBODY REAL MEN WATCH LIFETIME WITH THEIR WIVES !!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Planned to see several, but my wife wasn't feeling all that hot, so we only saw Juno at the theatre. Very good movie, glad I saw it. Outside of that, i watched a bunch of by-the-numbers westerns and romances on Lifetime and Hallmark Channels, and caught up on recordings of Legion and Batman. And yes---i said I watched Lifetime Channel! I'm man enough to be comfortable watching a sappy love story with my wife! :) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Gang: What movies did you watch over the holidays? The would include in the theatre, on DVD, and on TV. What movies did you like and which were duds? Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Singer Won't Do Next Superman?
amen, which is why i recommended the chapter search. Such a disappointment... -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Too bad there was nearly two hours of mediocre that surrounded the good stuff. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you can do the chapter search, just look for a few key scenes: * superman saving the plane from crashing--nice FX, the most talked about in the movie, but not my fav * superman saving the crowd in Metropolis during the earthquake --there's an amazing moment when debris falls from buildings, threatening the crowd below. Superman is flying away from the scene, sees the danger, and, while still flying in the same direction, flips over (doin an aerial backstroke of sorts) and pulverizes the debris with his heat vision. The aerial move is really quite lovely, the kind of thing you rarely see superheroes do. Usually they just fly in a simple direction. It's a special scene that i equate to those rare moments in space films when a spaceship actually manuevers in the third dimension, instead of the strange convention of always operating in two dimensions as they usally do. * Lex stabbing Superman -- the comedic Lex Luthor pisses me off, the evil, sinister one is great. When Stacey drove that Kryptonite splinth into Supe's side, leering with triumph and malice i literally shouted yeah! That's the Luthor I want to see! A powerful dark moment that shows what this movie could--should--have been * Superman powering up -- still suffering from Green K poisoning, Clark flies into the upper atmosphere to expose himself to direct sunligh. he hovers there for a moment in tragic glory, absording the lifeblood of Sol before going back to do the impossible (see below). It's a majestic moment, him above the clouds, bathing in that light. I remembering whispering wow, they get it at that simple scene. * Superman lifting the new island into the sky -- okay, I'm also *not* a fan of the godlike Superman of he movies, the one with powers that allow him to move whole planets. But, this scene of him lifting an entire piece of land--while green K keeps growing from it, killing him--is, well, soaring. * Falling from the sky --after taxing himself by lifting the island, Clark blacks out and falls thousands of feet to Earth. Again, another majestic, powerful scene, showing that Singer gets it, able to merge action, FX, music, drama, and the magic of comics into one scene. All of the above are the essence of Superman, from the soaring majesty of demigod to the gee-whiz of just having powers, to the solemnity of having all that power yet feeling so alone. But outside of that? One long, boring series of Lex cracking wise, Lana with the puppy dog eyes, and just generally insipid plotting. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can get behind that. I've got the movie right now, one of those slightly-illicit versions. Think I watched about ten minutes of it before turning it off. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of Big Blue, and never have been (all of Chris Reeve's exploits, I saw though video), but the movie, to me, was supremely unengaging. Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So we can just all pretend that Superman Returns never happened, then. On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Singer Won't Do Next Superman? http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=46890 Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is highly unlikely that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot the next Superman movie. Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and prepping The Mayor of Castro Street. The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be [Superman Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of youthful superheroes in ... Justice League, Thompson wrote. That movie will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] strike is resolved. Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark Knight, Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner Brothers is hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
you can probably send Rush Hour 3 back unopened, from what i hear... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daryle Thanks to you, I added Things to Come and blade Runner to my Netflix que. rush hour 3 is sitting on my coffee table, I did not even know I had it in my rental que. I know critics panned the guy Pearce version of Time Machine, but I enjoyed seeing it as a rental From: Daryle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:13 PM To: SciFi Noir Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday Last night, TCM had an HG Wells double feature. ³Things To Come², which is awesome because everyone in the future wears capes, and ³The Time Machine². I always hated the 1960 version of the Time Machine, as it¹s one of the whitest depictions of the future ever, but it¹s a great story, and for 1960 special effects, you can¹t beat it. Watching it, though, you really get a feeling for what the Guy Pearce version was going for. I think the remake may be a superior picture. I also watched: Blade Runner The Final Cut. This gets a hell yeah from me. ³It¹s A Wonderful Life² - I had never seen this film. I can¹t believe it¹s so popular. ³Rush Hour 3² - These movies need to start being distributed by tourism departments of exotic countries. They serve no other purpose but to make you want to go to the cities they are shot in. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
You wrote... We have to become more like other ethnicities. Less complaining, more hard work. Change will come and we will have to start at home and take some responsibility. It was our complaining these many decades that allowed Mexicans, Natives, and especially, white women, to have the opportunities to get good jobs and something approaching fare wages. And some of these other ethnicities didn't participate in the process as strongly and stridently as we did at first. They kept their heads down, did their jobs, and waited for the next generation or two to become involved. Not all of course, but Blacks in America have fought and accomplished more with our blood, sweat, and tears than any group. And frankly, a decent percentage of other ethnicities have often retreated into your mindset--which to me is go along to get along, don't rock the boat--while we did the crying and dying. Again, not all by any means, but Blacks have always taken that lead. Others have ridden our coat tails and then gone on in ways to look down on us with scorn. They've taken the gains we helped them get, then become conservatives with the by my own bootstraps mentality. Don't demean and sell your own people short (i'm assuming you're black?). I am painfully aware of how many of us are screwed up, screwing up, lazy, shiftless, and criminal. I often get frustrated with the lack of work ethic among some of our people. But i also know no one in this country gets to that point on their own, and i refuse to let myself be as dismissive and harsh as you sound. we get enough of that quit complaining and start working from whites. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I never said that blacks are anti union. I said that the America people including black Americans have allowed organizations like unions to disapper . I am saying that there is racism, but blakcs can not blame all of their problems on racism. They have to look at t heir own lives and take responsibility for it. I said that the disappearence of American jobs is not just a goverment conspiracy. The democratic congress, CBC, have not fought to keep jobs in America. I NEVER said that BLACK peopple never want to pay taxes. I am not down with anybody at the moment. Obama is not a liberal and will not offer change. It is impossible in this environment to do so. The LIBERAL congress offered changed but have voted to help BUSH every step of the way. they have not stopped the war, they still sell out American jobs. The CBC is not calling for a change in lobbyist. They want a piece of the pork pie. They are doing the same thing whites are doing. There ware BLACK corporations and black people that are benefitting for thewar too. The is not a whit man's war. You must be senile to think that Obama is going to tell the corporations to stop funding the war. You must be senile to think that Edwards is going to stop corporate interest. You must be senile to think that a change in color will mean a change in policy. It is insulting to have a bunch of people who want a black man for president but think that racism will always exist. If change is comig, then the civil rights movement must also change. Blacks can not cling to the CRM of the 20 or the 21 century without taking soem responsibility for themselves. We have to become more like other ethnicities. Less complaining, more hard work. Change will come and we will have to start at home and take some responsibility. i I dont assume to blacks are poor, but those who are stuck must change or be left behind. It is a hard road but it must be done. It does not matter who is in office, there must be change. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
I actually broke down and decided to blow an extra couple of bucks monthly to slightly expand my cable choices. Primarily did this to get Style Channel for my wife, BBC America and IFC Channel for me, and Boomerang. Especially Boomerang I have happily spent the evening watching Justice League again, The Batman (which is disappointing, as it's reruns of the new animated series, not the great one from Bruce Timm and company). Also stayed up late watching Thundarr the Barbarian. Funny: i didn't realize the animation was so crude and crappy back in the day. talk about a low budget production! Still, it's fun, and i always love the science/sorcery mix of that world. Now Boomerang is running a black and white cartoon half hour featuring toons that must be 70 years old. Love that stuff. I'm looking forward to the Wacky Races, Flinstones, Huckleberry Hound, even Pixie and Dixie and others. If only they had the classic Felix the Cat, early and later Popeye, and maybe the Mighty Heroes, I'd be in heaven. I have a list of many such animated shows that i plan to start collecting this year. Just finished watching a classic Johnny Quest cartoon. Dated as they are in some ways (in tonight's show some South American Natives literally seem to be saying ooga Booga!) they're still fun and capture the sense of adventure of those action flicks from back in the day. yes, those action flicks back in the day were typically centered around white folks struggling nobly--and successfully--against ignorant savages. But at least there was often an evil white guy to hiss agains, and th e adventure could be fun. The New Adventures of Johnny Quest from the late '90s was a good series--the first season at least.Great animation, good shows. But it was decided the show didn't focus on Johnny and his friends enough. So the second season, Race and Dr. Quest were reduced in screentime, the kids were more the focus, and, unfortunately, the production values slipped to very plain animation. They also started a lot of adventures in the virtual computer reality known as Questworld, which int roduced a lot of CGI shows, which I despised. Oh--and I must correct myself about the native language in tonight's ep. The natives don't say ooga booga. They're saying the far easier to understand phrase, Ooka! Looka! Which of course means, Look out for giant cave spider whose web can ensnare full grown man! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daryle Thanks to you, I added Things to Come and blade Runner to my Netflix que. rush hour 3 is sitting on my coffee table, I did not even know I had it in my rental que. I know critics panned the guy Pearce version of Time Machine, but I enjoyed seeing it as a rental From: Daryle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:13 PM To: SciFi Noir Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday Last night, TCM had an HG Wells double feature. ³Things To Come², which is awesome because everyone in the future wears capes, and ³The Time Machine². I always hated the 1960 version of the Time Machine, as it¹s one of the whitest depictions of the future ever, but it¹s a great story, and for 1960 special effects, you can¹t beat it. Watching it, though, you really get a feeling for what the Guy Pearce version was going for. I think the remake may be a superior picture. I also watched: Blade Runner The Final Cut. This gets a hell yeah from me. ³It¹s A Wonderful Life² - I had never seen this film. I can¹t believe it¹s so popular. ³Rush Hour 3² - These movies need to start being distributed by tourism departments of exotic countries. They serve no other purpose but to make you want to go to the cities they are shot in. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Movies Watched Over The Holiday
I'm a big Dexter fan too! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Powerpuff girls are great, funny as heck. I love Dexter's Laboratory as well. As for the Bourne Ultimatum, maybe it was what i was saying the other day: that it was a really good movie with fantastic fighting and action, but not as rich in plotting and acting as the first one. I like the Bourne Identity because it had the mystery of who Jason was, the suspense of what part Treadstone was playing, etc. It was more satisfying on that level, with a better balance of action and plotting. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following are the movies i saw over the holiday. 28 Weeks Later - I'm not a zombie movie fan, but 28 days later was quickly converting me. I saw that as a soon to be classic. @8 weeks later lost me with the scores of thoughtless plotholes and the Rumsfeld like management of the US military First Snow - I really wanted to like this. It was co-written by by the screenwriter of Childrren of Men. After watching this, I'm an even bigger fan of Alfonso Cuarón, because this script with its almost unlikeable hero totally lost me. Where as Children of men villians were even likable Night Watch - After hearing the recommendations made by the group. I rented both Nightwatch and Daywatch. I sometimes like movies simply because they are different. I think Nightwatch falls into that category. I felt like I watch getting a true glimpse into Russian culture. However, I thought this was a bad movie jumbling up every speculative fiction movie cliche into a somewhat jumbled mess. I feel so uncool :( with so many on the list liking it. If possible, it had even more plotholes than 28 weeks Day Watch - I felt this was better made then its predecessor. Unfortunately, I caught a really nasty cold and fell asleep during some of it. When I woke up, I was still able to follow it Stardust - I was surprised that I enjoyed this tongue in cheek fantasy with cross-dressing pirates and sex on the first date princess. It was a fun ride The Invisible - I enjoyed this, but from commentary I read about the swedish book it was adapted from the ending which was unexplained made the hero, his mom and hospital staff seem cold and unfeeling. It also left you not understanding the actions of the villian at the end. So finish the movie thinking WTF?!?! The Bourne Ultimatum - I loved both Bourne 1 and 2 almost equal. Watch them was like eating two great flavors of my favorite upscale ice cream. While Bourne 3 did not disappoint with the cast and storyline, I was not as fired up. I can not tell you why. I did enjoy it though and Damon says he's up for Bourne 4. I will problaby be there Powerpuff Girls Christmas - Brent Wodehouse has been raving about these girls for Years. Since my four year old daughter was starting to get into Batman and Superman, I though I find yer a female superhero and see what Brent was raving about. Well she resisted, but from the intro song they had her. Now shes flying around making specil effects noises telling anyone who will listen that she is a power puff girl. I'm not in love with them like Brent is, but I do like them and enjoy the effect of her. Being a good girl seemed more important after being introduced to her and Angelica on the Rugrats. She loves singing the Powever Puff Girls rap song Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End- It Did not have the magic of the first Pirates movies, but it was a great improvement over the second Pirat Movie. I enjoyed it Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Movies Watched Over The Holiday
I got to see that! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are too funny! tonight I flipped between the Democratic debate and football, and the debate won the evening. The exchange between Clinton, Obama and Edwards when she lost her cool, and *both* guys reminded her that she came in third in Iowa--priceless! I'm going to look for that scene on the Net. If you ddin't see the debate that one exchange is worth watching. It'll probably show up on You Tube under a title of something ike Obama and Edwards Gang up on Clinton. Good stuff! Sitting there, I had a vision of an Obama/Edwards ticket. Assuming America could get past its prejudice, that would be a powerful ticket, in style if not in full substance. Another thing I noticed was that the candidates--and why was Kucinich exluded?!--kept saying they were for Change. Indeed, they all fell all over themselves saying they were for change. Primarily, it was all Obama's opponents doing this. So Obama has gotten the concept encapsulated in that one word--Change--to become front a nd cen ter, with his opponents rushing to prove their for it too. In other words, Obama was setting the tone and the directon of the discourse, which is a powerful thing. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] EVERYBODY REAL MEN WATCH LIFETIME WITH THEIR WIVES !!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Planned to see several, but my wife wasn't feeling all that hot, so we only saw Juno at the theatre. Very good movie, glad I saw it. Outside of that, i watched a bunch of by-the-numbers westerns and romances on Lifetime and Hallmark Channels, and caught up on recordings of Legion and Batman. And yes---i said I watched Lifetime Channel! I'm man enough to be comfortable watching a sappy love story with my wife! :) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Gang: What movies did you watch over the holidays? The would include in the theatre, on DVD, and on TV. What movies did you like and which were duds? Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
Cutting off messages that you reply to distort the conversation again, huh? Nobody was arguing for most of what you posted. Skillful obfuscation. I applaud you. bravo! I'm out. Waste of my time. This is not intelligent discussion and debate. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said that blacks are anti union. I said that the America people including black Americans have allowed organizations like unions to disapper . I am saying that there is racism, but blakcs can not blame all of their problems on racism. They have to look at t heir own lives and take responsibility for it. I said that the disappearence of American jobs is not just a goverment conspiracy. The democratic congress, CBC, have not fought to keep jobs in America. I NEVER said that BLACK peopple never want to pay taxes. I am not down with anybody at the moment. Obama is not a liberal and will not offer change. It is impossible in this environment to do so. The LIBERAL congress offered changed but have voted to help BUSH every step of the way. they have not stopped the war, they still sell out American jobs. The CBC is not calling for a change in lobbyist. They want a piece of the pork pie. They are doing the same thing whites are doing. There ware BLACK corporations and black people that are benefitting for thewar too. The is not a whit man's war. You must be senile to think that Obama is going to tell the corporations to stop funding the war. You must be senile to think that Edwards is going to stop corporate interest. You must be senile to think that a change in color will mean a change in policy. It is insulting to have a bunch of people who want a black man for president but think that racism will always exist. If change is comig, then the civil rights movement must also change. Blacks can not cling to the CRM of the 20 or the 21 century without taking soem responsibility for themselves. We have to become more like other ethnicities. Less complaining, more hard work. Change will come and we will have to start at home and take some responsibility. i I dont assume to blacks are poor, but those who are stuck must change or be left behind. It is a hard road but it must be done. It does not matter who is in office, there must be change. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
