Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

[Keith Johnson]

oh yeah, one of the greatest movie speeches of all time! 

- Original Message - 
From: "daikaiju66"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:32:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 






It fits the definition for me. Roy had done everything he could to get more 
life but that was denied him. When he had Deckard at his mercy he spared him 
and allowed him to do something that he could not do and that is to go on 
living. He actually showed empathy and mercy and was at the moment more human 
than the man hunting him. The speech is just the icing on the cake. 

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the 
shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser 
gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to 
die." 

That gets me evey time I see the movie. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> The Blade Runner scene is poignant and memorable, can't believe I forgot that 
> one. But, is it really a "tearjerker"? It makes me sad, but not misty-eyed... 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B. Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:50:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That's actually a great list. There is one omission I found striking and that 
> is Roy Batty's speech on the rooftop in Blade Runner. That is classic. 
> 
> The Serenity choice is a great one. I remember being stunned into silence and 
> hearing audible gasps when the famous line "I am a leaf on the wind" is said 
> that last time. 
> 
> I'm glad they gave B5 some love too. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Adrianne Brennan  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > As touching as Doomsday was, it pales in comparison with the chips speech 
> > at 
> > the end of season 1 for me. 
> > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ 
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com 
> > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: 
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html 
> > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: 
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html 
> > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: 
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Martin Baxter 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Grab Kleenex, folks... 
> > > 
> > > http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=sf_s_26_greatest_tearjerkers 
> > > 
> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

[Keith Johnson]

I remember that too, good stuff. Never did figure why the Deryni of Gwynedd 
didn't leave en masse and go to the neighboring countries, some of which had 
openly practicing Deryni. 
By the way, I remember getting misty eyed later, when Evaine-who, if I remember 
had lost a child too--was doing one of the spiritual/psychic things, and caught 
a glimpse of the Afterlife. There, she saw her husband and child, and decided 
to just let go, while her frantic brother tried to call her back. that was 
something... 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:56:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 






I hear you, pal. 

My own moment-of-tears with the written word came when I first read Katherine 
Kurtz's "Camber the Heretic", a scene when a group of psi-gifted humanoids 
where being massacred by humans. One of the humanoids (Deryni, their race was 
called), Rhys, a doctor with the power to heal, was trying to escape when he 
saw injured humans nearby. Being a doctor, he followed the Hippocratic and 
stopped to begin healing the person. As he was doing so, he was hit from 
behind, a blow that stoved in his head, destroying the part of his brain that 
enabled him to heal. His wife Evaine learned this as she went into his mind, 
trying to access his power to heal him. All the while, he was still conscious, 
feeling himself die, saying his goodbyes to his friends telepathically... 
marked the first and only time I've ever thrown a book. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com 
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:20:26 -0700 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 







Sorry, but the biggest tearjerking moment for me was not in a movie...It was 
from Octavia Butler's "Wild Seed," when Anyanwu came to the conclusion that she 
was never going to change or escape from Doro, so she decided to just commit 
suicide (basically let herself die as she was immortal). Doro, realizing that 
Anyanwu was the only constant in his life, breaks down and pleads with her not 
to do it because he could not bare life without her (gotta read the bookI'm 
not good at explanations...in fact, I suck at it...). Until I read that book, I 
had never shed a tear over the written word... 




From: Keith Johnson  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:07:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 




The Blade Runner scene is poignant and memorable, can't believe I forgot that 
one. But, is it really a "tearjerker" ? It makes me sad, but not misty-eyed.. . 

- Original Message - 
From: "B. Smith"  
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:50:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 




That's actually a great list. There is one omission I found striking and that 
is Roy Batty's speech on the rooftop in Blade Runner. That is classic. 

The Serenity choice is a great one. I remember being stunned into silence and 
hearing audible gasps when the famous line "I am a leaf on the wind" is said 
that last time. 

I'm glad they gave B5 some love too. 

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Adrianne Brennan  
wrote: 
> 
> As touching as Doomsday was, it pales in comparison with the chips speech at 
> the end of season 1 for me. 
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ 
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com 
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: 
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html 
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: 
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html 
> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: 
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Grab Kleenex, folks... 
> > 
> > http://www.sfx. co.uk/page/ sfx?entry= sf_s_26_greatest _tearjerkers 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

[angelababycat]

Well put.  I watched the first 3 eps on hulu, but probably won't watch any 
more.  Thye've made it too hard for me to care what's in pod 4.

Funny thing I noticed though: about 2:15 into Ep 3 (scene: the packed-up living 
room of the couple originally on the mission before the guy got cut) is the 
same as Starbuck's appartment on BSG.  Ha!


 -From: George Arterberry 
> >To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:17:06 AM
> >Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >
> >Ê 
> >
> >
> >
> >It seemed cheap and boring.Just enough sci-fi , not to qualify as a
> >sexual drama.
> >
> >--- On Sun, 8/16/09, Mr. Worf http://gmail. com/
> >]gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >From: Mr. Worf 
> >Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >To: scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
> >Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 8:12 PM
> >
> >Ê 
> >The formula isn't right for network tv. They will kill it because they
> >can't do any product placement or have cameos of guest stars to boost the
> >ratings. The show is tepid at best and a snoozefest at its worst. 
> >
> >On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter <[
> >http://us.mc586. .mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=truthseeker01 3...@lycos.com
> >]truthseeker013@ lycos.com> wrote:
> >
> >Pal, it's a Canadian series, the rights to which ABC bought, so it'll
> >probably last its full run.
> >
> >[ http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt1319690/ ]http://www.imdb. com/title/
> >tt1319690/
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> >
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> >-[ Received Mail Content ]--
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> >ÊSubject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
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> >ÊDate : Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT)
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> >ÊFrom : "C.W. Badie" <[
> >http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=astromancer20 0...@yahoo. com
> >]astromancer2002@ yahoo.com>
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> >http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com
> >]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com
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> >
> >I liked it, but it's rather loose storytelling, the type of looseness the
> >leads to cancellation. ..
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> >From: Martin Baxter
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> >To: [
> >http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com
> >]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com
> >Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 8:24:50 AM
> >Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >
> >
> >Keith, I almost missed it, stumbling across it two minutes before it
> >bbegan. I
> >
> >I enjoyed it overall, though the pacing was a bit leaden at times. (Maybe
> >on purpose?) The mysterious nature of the real mission has me hooked,
> >without saying. Can't wait until the MC ventures into Pod 4 to find out
> >what's really up.
> >
> >As for the incidental music, I really don't take notice of it as I watch
> >a TV show or movie, unless it's a song near and dear to my heart.
> 
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> >Subject : [scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >Date : Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:13:45 + (UTC)
> >From : Keith Johnson
> 
> >To : scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
> >
> >Anyone watching ABC's entry into the "Big Brother in Outer Space by way
> of BSG-style drama"? It deals with a seven-year mission in the year 2052
> that sends eight astronauts to visit six planets in the Solar System. Very
> quickly into the show, we're made aware there's some kind of secret
> involved. The two most experienced astronauts in the program (one of whom
> is played by Malik Yoba) are initially left off the mission aboard the
> spaceship "Antares".. Later, when some kind of heart problem keeps
> cropping up among the crew--evidently tied to the "secret"--the two
> astronauts are blasted into space to join the mission. One comment I
> overheard makes me think some kind of sentient race has been encountered
> by humanity--perhaps on a previous tragic mission to Mars in which one of
> the current astronauts had to leave three of his fellows behind. Perhaps
> this sentient race is controlling the mission somehow? Not sure.
> >
> >Also not sure yet if I'll like the show. It has some decent actors and
> decent lines. But just when I'm starting to get into the mission and the
> scifi aspect of it, I'm distracted by overpowering music that attempts to
> heighten a scene, the lead astronaut's self-reflective monologue, too much
> of the newly-hot camera work (a la BSG and Star Trek) with a shaky cam to
> convey reality. Or I'm watching two astronauts make nekkid love in zero g
> and feeling vaguely manipulated at an attempt to make me feel awestruck or
> something. There's a lot of flashbacks and flashforwards that make
> following the story a bit confusing at times. "Lost" this ain't. There's
> also a odd flow: a mix of serious drama, melodrama, camp soap opera type
> moments, silly humour supported by "Desperate Housewives" type music, and
> a lot of titillation. It makes it hard for one to get a feeling of the
> overall nature of the sho

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Weapons at Obama rally

[Mr. Worf]

The thing that irks me about all of this is that there aren't many democrats
taking an offensive posture. It is mostly folks reacting to how stupid these
people are. Were are the heated protests against this kind of madness? Where
are the protesters against the people promoting this kind of behavior??? In
the hood we call this being punked. I choose not to be punked by the
republican party. You feel me?

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
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> And I doubt that they would've even been seen on camera, because they
> would've been disposed of with lightning swiftness, delivered to Gitmo
> within 24 hours.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:33:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Weapons at Obama rally
>
>
>  The head of Progressive magazine asked this exact question on KPFA
> Berkeley this morning. If it were black people doing this at a Bush rally
> I'm quite sure that they would have ended up in jail. There are a lot of
> double standards that have been allowed as of late.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:39 AM, daikaiju66  wrote:
>
> I wonder what would have happened if the New Black Panther Party, PIP, AIM
> or any armed leftist group would have been within a mile of Dubya exercising
> their rights to openly bear arms?
>
> During the last administration people were jailed for wearing shirts or
> having signs that were politcally abrasive to the people in power and FOX
> and the like thought it was great. How times have changed.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > (standing ovation)
> >
> > When I first saw this, I thought only of all of the reports of threats
> against President Obama. Just scary. The comments on the vid of this on
> YouTube are running mostly PRO-this guy. I take that to be all of the
> wounded neocons coming out of their holes, but still a scary thing.
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: hellomahog...@...
> > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:31:30 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Weapons at Obama rally
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> statement about this kind of behavior no matter what their point of view is
> that asinine stuff like this should never be tolerated. Period.
> >
> > There are certain things that shouldn't be done. I would think that
> bringing a gun to a political rally should be on the top 5.
> >
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> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Martin Baxter 
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> > Mr Worf, I get the feeling that he won't even be questioned. Am I the
> only person thinking that the Secret Service needs to be replaced in a
> hurry? I've lost track of the number of threats against President Obama this
> year. On the Young Turks web site, they once named them off, at least six.
> >
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
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> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: hellomahog...@...
> > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:19:46 -0700
> >
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Weapons at Obama rally
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> >   So I hope they throw his dumb ass in jail for a good
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> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Martin Baxter 
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> host... soemwhere. Can't remember the place. Worst thing about this?
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> > It *would* have to be a brother packing the AR-15...
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> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/18/right-wing-radio-host-sta_n_262559.html
> >
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> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity

[Mr. Worf]

Good question. I dunno. The writers seem to be a bit elusive with revealing
things just yet.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Must've snoozed on that bit. And funny how the two astronauts who were
> pulled from the mission -- well, the former mission commander, anyway -- is
> in great health. Wonder what the aliens didn't like in him, to reject him?
> Or did they want A.J onboard because he had/has the thing going with the
> ex-MC's wife?
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:00:07 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>
>No, she vomited repeatably in the episode before this one as well. She
> even threw up in the bar and she wasn't drinking.
>
> I think they should have done a complete history on the doctor before he
> went up. All of the characters seem to have psychological issues though.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Martin Baxter  > wrote:
>
>
>
> Mr Worf, I think they explained her vomiting as an aftereffect of the
> anti-gravity system they were using.
>
> While we're here, I want to know how the ship's doctor got onboard, with
> the pre-existing PTSD he's got? When the lights started blinking out in the
> last ep, he went crazy, huddling up on the floor, flashing back to what was
> apparently the last war humanity had fought, being trapped in rubble and
> unable to get to his family. That's something that should've been looked at,
> long and hard.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:13:16 -0700
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>
>Ok, one question that has been bothering me since the show started is
> WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT HAS A NERVOUS VOMITING PROBLEM GO ON A LONG
> TERM SPACE MISSION?
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RE: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity

[Martin Baxter]

Must've snoozed on that bit. And funny how the two astronauts who were pulled 
from the mission -- well, the former mission commander, anyway -- is in great 
health. Wonder what the aliens didn't like in him, to reject him? Or did they 
want A.J onboard because he had/has the thing going with the ex-MC's wife?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:00:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity















 





  No, she vomited repeatably in the episode before this one as 
well. She even threw up in the bar and she wasn't drinking. 

I think they should have done a complete history on the doctor before he went 
up. All of the characters seem to have psychological issues though. 



On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Martin Baxter  
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Mr Worf, I think they explained her vomiting as an aftereffect of the 
anti-gravity system they were using. 

While we're here, I want to know how the ship's doctor got onboard, with the 
pre-existing PTSD he's got? When the lights started blinking out in the last 
ep, he went crazy, huddling up on the floor, flashing back to what was 
apparently the last war humanity had fought, being trapped in rubble and unable 
to get to his family. That's something that should've been looked at, long and 
hard.


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:13:16 -0700

Subject: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity















 





  Ok, one question that has been bothering me since the show 
started is WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT HAS A NERVOUS VOMITING PROBLEM GO 
ON A LONG TERM SPACE MISSION?
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Weapons at Obama rally

[Martin Baxter]

And I doubt that they would've even been seen on camera, because they would've 
been disposed of with lightning swiftness, delivered to Gitmo within 24 hours.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:33:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Weapons at Obama rally















 





  The head of Progressive magazine asked this exact question on 
KPFA Berkeley this morning. If it were black people doing this at a Bush rally 
I'm quite sure that they would have ended up in jail. There are a lot of double 
standards that have been allowed as of late. 



On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:39 AM, daikaiju66  wrote:

I wonder what would have happened if the New Black Panther Party, PIP, AIM or 
any armed leftist group would have been within a mile of Dubya exercising their 
rights to openly bear arms?



During the last administration people were jailed for wearing shirts or having 
signs that were politcally abrasive to the people in power and FOX and the like 
thought it was great. How times have changed.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

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>

> (standing ovation)

>

> When I first saw this, I thought only of all of the reports of threats 
> against President Obama. Just scary. The comments on the vid of this on 
> YouTube are running mostly PRO-this guy. I take that to be all of the wounded 
> neocons coming out of their holes, but still a scary thing.


>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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>

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: hellomahog...@...

> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:31:30 -0700

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Weapons at Obama rally

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> that asinine stuff like this should never be tolerated. Period.


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> There are certain things that shouldn't be done. I would think that bringing 
> a gun to a political rally should be on the top 5.

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> person thinking that the Secret Service needs to be replaced in a hurry? I've 
> lost track of the number of threats against President Obama this year. On the 
> Young Turks web site, they once named them off, at least six.


>

>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

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> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/18/right-wing-radio-host-sta_n_262559.html

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Science ponders 'zombie attack'

[Martin Baxter]

Have to agree with you there. With the Dawn '04 Model zombies, you couldn't 
keep slow people around you.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:40:20 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Science ponders 'zombie attack'















 





  Except for all the brain eating and undeadness. The arms 
industry will make a killing though. *ahem*



Slow Romero style zombies would be easier to contain but the running, jumping 
Dawn of the Dead 2004 model would be the end of the world as we know it except 
for folks lucky enough to get to uninhabited islands. 



I'd rather deal with the 28 Days Later style infected. At least in the first 
movie you could safely travel by day, kill them more easily and barricade 
yourself inside a strong building for protection. Although the 28 Days Later 
and Quarantine/Rec style infected are damned hard to get rid of they could be 
dealt with if you take action quickly.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> A dear friend of mine sent me earlier, and we both agree that such an event 
> might actually be for the betterment of Mankind, slowing down the species's 
> rampant abuse/exploitation of the planet.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

> 

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: sincere1...@...

> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:24:31 +

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Science ponders 'zombie attack'

> 

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>   Science ponders 'zombie attack' 

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> By Pallab Ghosh 

> 

> Science correspondent, BBC News 

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> 

> If zombies actually existed, an attack by them would lead to the collapse of 
> civilisation unless dealt with quickly and aggressively.

> 

> 

> 

> That is the conclusion of a mathematical exercise carried out by researchers 
> in Canada. 

> 

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> 

> They say only frequent counter-attacks with increasing force would eradicate 
> the fictional creatures. 

> 

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> 

> The scientific paper is published in a book - Infectious Diseases Modelling 
> Research Progress. 

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> 

> In books, films, video games and folklore, zombies are undead creatures, able 
> to turn the living into other zombies with a bite. 

> 

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> But there is a serious side to the work. 

> 

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> 

> In some respects, a zombie "plague" resembles a lethal, rapidly spreading 
> infection. The researchers say the exercise could help scientists model the 
> spread of unfamiliar diseases through human populations. 

> 

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> 

> My understanding of zombie biology is that if you manage to decapitate a 
> zombie then it's dead forever 

> 

> 

> 

> Professor Neil Ferguson 

> 

> In their study, the researchers from the University of Ottawa and Carleton 
> University (also in Ottawa) posed a question: If there was to be a battle 
> between zombies and the living, who would win? 

> 

> 

> 

> Professor Robert Smith? (the question mark is part of his surname and not a 
> typographical mistake) and colleagues wrote: "We model a zombie attack using 
> biological assumptions based on popular zombie movies. 

> 

> 

> 

> "We introduce a basic model for zombie infection and illustrate the outcome 
> with numerical solutions." 

> 

> 

> 

> FROM THE TODAY PROGRAMME 

> 

> 

> 

> More from Today programme  

> 

> To give the living a fighting chance, the researchers chose "classic" 
> slow-moving zombies as our opponents rather than the nimble, intelligent 
> creatures portrayed in some recent films. 

> 

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> "While we are trying to be as broad as possible in modelling zombies - 
> especially as there are many variables - we have decided not to consider 
> these individuals," the researchers said. 

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> 

> Back for good?

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> 

> Even so, their analysis revealed that a strategy of capturing or curing the 
> zombies would only put off the inevitable. 

> 

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> 

> In their scientific paper, the authors conclude that humanity's only hope is 
> to "hit them [the undead] hard and hit them often". 

> 

> 

> 

> They added: "It's imperative that zombies are dealt with quickly or else... 
> we are all in a great deal of trouble." 

> 

> 

> 

> According to the researchers, the key difference between the zombies and the 
> spread of real infections is that "zombies can come back to life". 

> 

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> Professor Neil Ferguson, who is one of the UK government's chief advisers on 
> controlling the spread of swine flu, said the study did have parallels with 
> some infectious diseases. 

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> "None of them actually cause large-sca

[scifinoir2] Re: Science ponders 'zombie attack'

[daikaiju66]

Except for all the brain eating and undeadness. The arms industry will make a 
killing though. *ahem*

Slow Romero style zombies would be easier to contain but the running, jumping 
Dawn of the Dead 2004 model would be the end of the world as we know it except 
for folks lucky enough to get to uninhabited islands. 

I'd rather deal with the 28 Days Later style infected. At least in the first 
movie you could safely travel by day, kill them more easily and barricade 
yourself inside a strong building for protection. Although the 28 Days Later 
and Quarantine/Rec style infected are damned hard to get rid of they could be 
dealt with if you take action quickly.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> A dear friend of mine sent me earlier, and we both agree that such an event 
> might actually be for the betterment of Mankind, slowing down the species's 
> rampant abuse/exploitation of the planet.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: sincere1...@...
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:24:31 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Science ponders 'zombie attack'
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> By Pallab Ghosh 
> 
> Science correspondent, BBC News 
> 
> 
> 
> If zombies actually existed, an attack by them would lead to the collapse of 
> civilisation unless dealt with quickly and aggressively.
> 
> 
> 
> That is the conclusion of a mathematical exercise carried out by researchers 
> in Canada. 
> 
> 
> 
> They say only frequent counter-attacks with increasing force would eradicate 
> the fictional creatures. 
> 
> 
> 
> The scientific paper is published in a book - Infectious Diseases Modelling 
> Research Progress. 
> 
> 
> 
> In books, films, video games and folklore, zombies are undead creatures, able 
> to turn the living into other zombies with a bite. 
> 
> 
> 
> But there is a serious side to the work. 
> 
> 
> 
> In some respects, a zombie "plague" resembles a lethal, rapidly spreading 
> infection. The researchers say the exercise could help scientists model the 
> spread of unfamiliar diseases through human populations. 
> 
> 
> 
> My understanding of zombie biology is that if you manage to decapitate a 
> zombie then it's dead forever 
> 
> 
> 
> Professor Neil Ferguson 
> 
> In their study, the researchers from the University of Ottawa and Carleton 
> University (also in Ottawa) posed a question: If there was to be a battle 
> between zombies and the living, who would win? 
> 
> 
> 
> Professor Robert Smith? (the question mark is part of his surname and not a 
> typographical mistake) and colleagues wrote: "We model a zombie attack using 
> biological assumptions based on popular zombie movies. 
> 
> 
> 
> "We introduce a basic model for zombie infection and illustrate the outcome 
> with numerical solutions." 
> 
> 
> 
> FROM THE TODAY PROGRAMME 
> 
> 
> 
> More from Today programme  
> 
> To give the living a fighting chance, the researchers chose "classic" 
> slow-moving zombies as our opponents rather than the nimble, intelligent 
> creatures portrayed in some recent films. 
> 
> 
> 
> "While we are trying to be as broad as possible in modelling zombies - 
> especially as there are many variables - we have decided not to consider 
> these individuals," the researchers said. 
> 
> 
> 
> Back for good?
> 
> 
> 
> Even so, their analysis revealed that a strategy of capturing or curing the 
> zombies would only put off the inevitable. 
> 
> 
> 
> In their scientific paper, the authors conclude that humanity's only hope is 
> to "hit them [the undead] hard and hit them often". 
> 
> 
> 
> They added: "It's imperative that zombies are dealt with quickly or else... 
> we are all in a great deal of trouble." 
> 
> 
> 
> According to the researchers, the key difference between the zombies and the 
> spread of real infections is that "zombies can come back to life". 
> 
> 
> 
> Professor Neil Ferguson, who is one of the UK government's chief advisers on 
> controlling the spread of swine flu, said the study did have parallels with 
> some infectious diseases. 
> 
> 
> 
> "None of them actually cause large-scale death or disease, but certainly 
> there are some fungal infections which are difficult to eradicate," said 
> Professor Ferguson, from Imperial College London. 
> 
> 
> 
> "There are some viral infections - simple diseases like chicken pox have 
> survived in very small communities. If you get it when you are very young, 
> the virus stays with you and can re-occur as shingles, triggering a new 
> chicken pox epidemic." 
> 
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> Professor Smith? told BBC News: "When you try to model an unfamiliar disease, 
> you try to find out what's happening, try to approximate it. You then refine 
> it, go back a

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Weapons at Obama rally

[Mr. Worf]

The head of Progressive magazine asked this exact question on KPFA Berkeley
this morning. If it were black people doing this at a Bush rally I'm quite
sure that they would have ended up in jail. There are a lot of double
standards that have been allowed as of late.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:39 AM, daikaiju66  wrote:

> I wonder what would have happened if the New Black Panther Party, PIP, AIM
> or any armed leftist group would have been within a mile of Dubya exercising
> their rights to openly bear arms?
>
> During the last administration people were jailed for wearing shirts or
> having signs that were politcally abrasive to the people in power and FOX
> and the like thought it was great. How times have changed.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
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> > When I first saw this, I thought only of all of the reports of threats
> against President Obama. Just scary. The comments on the vid of this on
> YouTube are running mostly PRO-this guy. I take that to be all of the
> wounded neocons coming out of their holes, but still a scary thing.
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: hellomahog...@...
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> that asinine stuff like this should never be tolerated. Period.
> >
> > There are certain things that shouldn't be done. I would think that
> bringing a gun to a political rally should be on the top 5.
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> hurry? I've lost track of the number of threats against President Obama this
> year. On the Young Turks web site, they once named them off, at least six.
> >
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> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/18/right-wing-radio-host-sta_n_262559.html
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Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity

[Mr. Worf]

No, she vomited repeatably in the episode before this one as well. She even
threw up in the bar and she wasn't drinking.

I think they should have done a complete history on the doctor before he
went up. All of the characters seem to have psychological issues though.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, I think they explained her vomiting as an aftereffect of the
> anti-gravity system they were using.
>
> While we're here, I want to know how the ship's doctor got onboard, with
> the pre-existing PTSD he's got? When the lights started blinking out in the
> last ep, he went crazy, huddling up on the floor, flashing back to what was
> apparently the last war humanity had fought, being trapped in rubble and
> unable to get to his family. That's something that should've been looked at,
> long and hard.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:13:16 -0700
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>
>Ok, one question that has been bothering me since the show started is
> WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT HAS A NERVOUS VOMITING PROBLEM GO ON A LONG
> TERM SPACE MISSION?
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

[Martin Baxter]

Just got me...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:32:23 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers















 





  It fits the definition for me. Roy had done everything he 
could to get more life but that was denied him. When he had Deckard at his 
mercy he spared him and allowed him to do something that he could not do and 
that is to go on living. He actually showed empathy and mercy and was at the 
moment more human than the man hunting him. The speech is just the icing on the 
cake.



"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the 
shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser 
gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to 
die."



That gets me evey time I see the movie.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:

>

> The Blade Runner scene is poignant and memorable, can't believe I forgot that 
> one. But, is it really a "tearjerker"? It makes me sad, but not misty-eyed... 

> 

> - Original Message - 

> From: "B. Smith"  

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:50:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 

> 

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> 

> That's actually a great list. There is one omission I found striking and that 
> is Roy Batty's speech on the rooftop in Blade Runner. That is classic. 

> 

> The Serenity choice is a great one. I remember being stunned into silence and 
> hearing audible gasps when the famous line "I am a leaf on the wind" is said 
> that last time. 

> 

> I'm glad they gave B5 some love too. 

> 

> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Adrianne Brennan  
> wrote: 

> > 

> > As touching as Doomsday was, it pales in comparison with the chips speech 
> > at 

> > the end of season 1 for me. 

> > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ 

> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com 

> > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: 

> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html 

> > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: 

> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html 

> > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: 

> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath 

> > 

> > 

> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Martin Baxter 

> > wrote: 

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> > > 

> > > Grab Kleenex, folks... 

> > > 

> > > http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=sf_s_26_greatest_tearjerkers 

> > > 

> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 

> > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

> > > 

> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

> > > 

> > > 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Weapons at Obama rally

[Martin Baxter]

A critical overload on the resources of every hospital within a fifteen-mile 
radius of the event?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:39:44 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Weapons at Obama rally















 





  I wonder what would have happened if the New Black Panther 
Party, PIP, AIM or any armed leftist group would have been within a mile of 
Dubya exercising their rights to openly bear arms? 



During the last administration people were jailed for wearing shirts or having 
signs that were politcally abrasive to the people in power and FOX and the like 
thought it was great. How times have changed.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> (standing ovation)

> 

> When I first saw this, I thought only of all of the reports of threats 
> against President Obama. Just scary. The comments on the vid of this on 
> YouTube are running mostly PRO-this guy. I take that to be all of the wounded 
> neocons coming out of their holes, but still a scary thing.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: hellomahog...@...

> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:31:30 -0700

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Weapons at Obama rally

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> that asinine stuff like this should never be tolerated. Period.

> 

> There are certain things that shouldn't be done. I would think that bringing 
> a gun to a political rally should be on the top 5. 

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> person thinking that the Secret Service needs to be replaced in a hurry? I've 
> lost track of the number of threats against President Obama this year. On the 
> Young Turks web site, they once named them off, at least six.

> 

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: hellomahog...@...

> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:19:46 -0700

> 

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Weapons at Obama rally

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> soemwhere. Can't remember the place. Worst thing about this?

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> It *would* have to be a brother packing the AR-15...

> 

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/18/right-wing-radio-host-sta_n_262559.html

> 

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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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RE: [scifinoir2] Science ponders 'zombie attack'

[Martin Baxter]

A dear friend of mine sent me earlier, and we both agree that such an event 
might actually be for the betterment of Mankind, slowing down the species's 
rampant abuse/exploitation of the planet.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: sincere1...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:24:31 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Science ponders 'zombie attack'















 





  Science ponders 'zombie attack' 



By Pallab Ghosh 

Science correspondent, BBC News 



If zombies actually existed, an attack by them would lead to the collapse of 
civilisation unless dealt with quickly and aggressively.



That is the conclusion of a mathematical exercise carried out by researchers in 
Canada. 



They say only frequent counter-attacks with increasing force would eradicate 
the fictional creatures. 



The scientific paper is published in a book - Infectious Diseases Modelling 
Research Progress. 



In books, films, video games and folklore, zombies are undead creatures, able 
to turn the living into other zombies with a bite. 



But there is a serious side to the work. 



In some respects, a zombie "plague" resembles a lethal, rapidly spreading 
infection. The researchers say the exercise could help scientists model the 
spread of unfamiliar diseases through human populations. 



My understanding of zombie biology is that if you manage to decapitate a zombie 
then it's dead forever 



Professor Neil Ferguson 

In their study, the researchers from the University of Ottawa and Carleton 
University (also in Ottawa) posed a question: If there was to be a battle 
between zombies and the living, who would win? 



Professor Robert Smith? (the question mark is part of his surname and not a 
typographical mistake) and colleagues wrote: "We model a zombie attack using 
biological assumptions based on popular zombie movies. 



"We introduce a basic model for zombie infection and illustrate the outcome 
with numerical solutions." 



FROM THE TODAY PROGRAMME 



More from Today programme  

To give the living a fighting chance, the researchers chose "classic" 
slow-moving zombies as our opponents rather than the nimble, intelligent 
creatures portrayed in some recent films. 



"While we are trying to be as broad as possible in modelling zombies - 
especially as there are many variables - we have decided not to consider these 
individuals," the researchers said. 



Back for good?



Even so, their analysis revealed that a strategy of capturing or curing the 
zombies would only put off the inevitable. 



In their scientific paper, the authors conclude that humanity's only hope is to 
"hit them [the undead] hard and hit them often". 



They added: "It's imperative that zombies are dealt with quickly or else... we 
are all in a great deal of trouble." 



According to the researchers, the key difference between the zombies and the 
spread of real infections is that "zombies can come back to life". 



Professor Neil Ferguson, who is one of the UK government's chief advisers on 
controlling the spread of swine flu, said the study did have parallels with 
some infectious diseases. 



"None of them actually cause large-scale death or disease, but certainly there 
are some fungal infections which are difficult to eradicate," said Professor 
Ferguson, from Imperial College London. 



"There are some viral infections - simple diseases like chicken pox have 
survived in very small communities. If you get it when you are very young, the 
virus stays with you and can re-occur as shingles, triggering a new chicken pox 
epidemic." 



Professor Smith? told BBC News: "When you try to model an unfamiliar disease, 
you try to find out what's happening, try to approximate it. You then refine 
it, go back and try again." 



"We refined the model again and again to say... here's how you would tackle an 
unfamiliar disease." 



Professor Ferguson went on to joke: "The paper considers something that many of 
us have worried about - particularly in our younger days - of what would be a 
feasible way of tackling an outbreak of a rapidly spreading zombie infection. 



"My understanding of zombie biology is that if you manage to decapitate a 
zombie then it's dead forever. So perhaps they are being a little 
over-pessimistic when they conclude that zombies might take over a city in 
three or four days." 





 

  














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RE: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

[Martin Baxter]

(nultiple geekgasms)

Sorry, folks. I'll be sure to clean that up...

Thanks, Brent!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: brent_wodeho...@thefence.us
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:15:47 -0400
Subject: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions















 





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[scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

[brent wodehouse]

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/18/visualizing-up-to-te.html

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

[brent wodehouse]

Oh, you know, bearing up as well as can be expected in these days of more
modest expectations. :-)

How 'bout you, sir? How's the general well being?


Brent


"C.W. Badie"  writes:
>Ê 
>
>
>Brent! How are you sir?
>
>
> -From: brent wodehouse 
>To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:58:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
>
>Ê 
>
>Ahhh... yes. That she is... :-)
>
>Brent
>
>"C.W. Badie" <[ mailto:astromancer2002%40yahoo.com ]astromancer2002@
>yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>True...but Karen Leblanc is very easy on the eyes...
>>
>>
>>  -From: George Arterberry <[
>mailto:brotherfromhoward%40yahoo.com ]brotherfromhoward@ yahoo.com>
>>To: [ mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ]scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>>Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:17:06 AM
>>Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
>>
>>æ 
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>>
>>It seemed cheap and boring.Just enough sci-fi , not to qualify as a
>>sexual drama..
>>
>>--- On Sun, 8/16/09, Mr. Worf http://gmail.com/
>]http://gmail. com/
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>>
>>
>>From: Mr. Worf 
>>Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
>>To: scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ][ http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
>>Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 8:12 PM
>>
>>æ 
>>The formula isn't right for network tv. They will kill it because they
>>can't do any product placement or have cameos of guest stars to boost the
>>ratings. The show is tepid at best and a snoozefest at its worst. 
>>
>>On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter <[
>>[ http://us.mc586..mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@lycos.com
>]http://us.mc586. .mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=truthseeker01
>3...@lycos.com
>>]truthseeker013@ [ http://lycos.com/ ]lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>Pal, it's a Canadian series, the rights to which ABC bought, so it'll
>>probably last its full run.
>>
>>[ [ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1319690/ ]http://www.imdb. com/title/
>tt1319690/ ]http://www.imdb. com/title/
>>tt1319690/
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>yahoogroups. com
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>>I liked it, but it's rather loose storytelling, the type of looseness the
>>leads to cancellation.. ..
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>>To: [
>>[
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>>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 8:24:50 AM
>>Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
>>
>>
>>Keith, I almost missed it, stumbling across it two minutes before it
>>bbegan. I
>>
>>I enjoyed it overall, though the pacing was a bit leaden at times. (Maybe
>>on purpose?) The mysterious nature of the real mission has me hooked,
>>without saying. Can't wait until the MC ventures into Pod 4 to find out
>>what's really up.
>>
>>As for the incidental music, I really don't take notice of it as I watch
>>a TV show or movie, unless it's a song near and dear to my heart.
>
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>>Date : Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:13:45 + (UTC)
>>From : Keith Johnson
>
>>To : scifino...@yahoogro [ [ http://ups.com/ ]http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
>>
>>Anyone watching ABC's entry into the "Big Brother in Outer Space by way
>of BSG-style drama"? It deals with a seven-year mission in the year 2052
>that sends eight astronauts to visit six planets in the Solar System. Very
>quickly into the show, we're made aware there's some kind of secret
>involved. The two most experienced astronauts in the program (one of whom
>is played by Malik Yoba) are initially left off the mission aboard the
>spaceship "Antares".. Later, when some kind of heart problem keeps
>cropping up among the crew--evidently tied to the "secret"--the two
>astronauts are blasted into space to join the mission. One comment I
>overheard makes me think some kind of sentient race has been encountered
>by humanity--perhaps on a previous tragic mission to Mars in which one of
>the current astronauts had to leave three of his fellows behind. Perhaps
>this sentient race is controlling the mission somehow? Not sure.
>>
>>Also not sure yet if I'll like the show. It has some decent actors and
>decent lines. But just when I'm starting to get into the mission and the
>scifi aspect of it, I'm distracted b

[scifinoir2] What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

[sincere1906]

What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

Posted Tuesday, August 18| By Jonah Weiner 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/browbeat/archive/2009/08/18/what-does-district-9-have-to-say-about-apartheid.aspx

I caught a matinee of District 9 today with a friend who is a devoted sci-fi 
buff, and who spent several years living in South Africa (in the post-apartheid 
aughts). Afterward, we agreed we'd had a blast—unlike Dan Engber, whose review 
is here—and then got to the harder work of puzzling over the film's politics. 
That District 9 grapples with apartheid is irrefutable, but what does it have 
to say on the subject? (Spoilers hover above the next paragraph, their alien 
turbines idling.)  

My friend was troubled by the depiction of the stranded aliens as "shiftless" 
"intergalactic schlubs," as Dan puts it. There's something unsavory, he argued, 
in director Neill Blomkamp portraying his allegorical shack dwellers as dumb, 
hapless, and helpless members of a community so thoroughly rent by poverty and 
oppression that the only hope for their betterment lies either in intervention 
from the outside (Wikus van der Merwe) or the lone efforts of an anomalous, 
intellectually advanced insider (the alien called Christopher Thompson). This 
logic can take on an infantilizing, unempowering aspect, he said, that denies 
oppressed parties agency, the ability to organize effectively from the ground 
up.

We were both uncertain about Blomkamp's ultimate point about miscegenation, for 
lack of a better word, as represented by Wikus's gooey transformation into a 
prawn. Right through the film's final image, Wikus regards his othering from 
himself as a horror he wants reversed—he fights the evil MNU not out of virtue 
but out of self-interest and, in the process, becomes a microcosmic model for 
any "native" body that fears "foreign" contamination. The 
transforming/transformed Wikus isn't the embodiment of post-racial harmony. 
Rather, the metamorphosis alienates him twice over, strands him between 
categories that are themselves left intact: He's not a human and he's not a 
"prawn," either. 

That's fine—it makes him a more interesting character and District 9 a more 
complicated film. But while it's clear Wikus isn't a radical, Blomkamp's own 
position remains opaque. It occurs to me that we could easily imagine the South 
African Lou Dobbs, say, sympathizing with and championing the prawns—after all, 
they don't peskily want jobs or equal rights as citizens; they just want to 
wash our hands of themselves and fly on home. 

[scifinoir2] Science ponders 'zombie attack'

[sincere1906]

Science ponders 'zombie attack' 

By Pallab Ghosh 
Science correspondent, BBC News 

If zombies actually existed, an attack by them would lead to the collapse of 
civilisation unless dealt with quickly and aggressively.

That is the conclusion of a mathematical exercise carried out by researchers in 
Canada. 

They say only frequent counter-attacks with increasing force would eradicate 
the fictional creatures. 

The scientific paper is published in a book - Infectious Diseases Modelling 
Research Progress. 

In books, films, video games and folklore, zombies are undead creatures, able 
to turn the living into other zombies with a bite. 

But there is a serious side to the work. 

In some respects, a zombie "plague" resembles a lethal, rapidly spreading 
infection. The researchers say the exercise could help scientists model the 
spread of unfamiliar diseases through human populations. 

  My understanding of zombie biology is that if you manage to decapitate a 
zombie then it's dead forever 

Professor Neil Ferguson 
In their study, the researchers from the University of Ottawa and Carleton 
University (also in Ottawa) posed a question: If there was to be a battle 
between zombies and the living, who would win? 

Professor Robert Smith? (the question mark is part of his surname and not a 
typographical mistake) and colleagues wrote: "We model a zombie attack using 
biological assumptions based on popular zombie movies. 

"We introduce a basic model for zombie infection and illustrate the outcome 
with numerical solutions." 


 FROM THE TODAY PROGRAMME 


More from Today programme  
To give the living a fighting chance, the researchers chose "classic" 
slow-moving zombies as our opponents rather than the nimble, intelligent 
creatures portrayed in some recent films. 

"While we are trying to be as broad as possible in modelling zombies - 
especially as there are many variables - we have decided not to consider these 
individuals," the researchers said. 

Back for good?

Even so, their analysis revealed that a strategy of capturing or curing the 
zombies would only put off the inevitable. 

In their scientific paper, the authors conclude that humanity's only hope is to 
"hit them [the undead] hard and hit them often". 

They added: "It's imperative that zombies are dealt with quickly or else... we 
are all in a great deal of trouble." 

According to the researchers, the key difference between the zombies and the 
spread of real infections is that "zombies can come back to life". 

Professor Neil Ferguson, who is one of the UK government's chief advisers on 
controlling the spread of swine flu, said the study did have parallels with 
some infectious diseases. 

"None of them actually cause large-scale death or disease, but certainly there 
are some fungal infections which are difficult to eradicate," said Professor 
Ferguson, from Imperial College London. 

"There are some viral infections - simple diseases like chicken pox have 
survived in very small communities. If you get it when you are very young, the 
virus stays with you and can re-occur as shingles, triggering a new chicken pox 
epidemic." 

Professor Smith? told BBC News: "When you try to model an unfamiliar disease, 
you try to find out what's happening, try to approximate it. You then refine 
it, go back and try again." 

"We refined the model again and again to say... here's how you would tackle an 
unfamiliar disease." 

Professor Ferguson went on to joke: "The paper considers something that many of 
us have worried about - particularly in our younger days - of what would be a 
feasible way of tackling an outbreak of a rapidly spreading zombie infection. 

"My understanding of zombie biology is that if you manage to decapitate a 
zombie then it's dead forever. So perhaps they are being a little 
over-pessimistic when they conclude that zombies might take over a city in 
three or four days." 

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Weapons at Obama rally

[daikaiju66]

I wonder what would have happened if the New Black Panther Party, PIP, AIM or 
any armed leftist group would have been within a mile of Dubya exercising their 
rights to openly bear arms? 

During the last administration people were jailed for wearing shirts or having 
signs that were politcally abrasive to the people in power and FOX and the like 
thought it was great. How times have changed.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> (standing ovation)
> 
> When I first saw this, I thought only of all of the reports of threats 
> against President Obama. Just scary. The comments on the vid of this on 
> YouTube are running mostly PRO-this guy. I take that to be all of the wounded 
> neocons coming out of their holes, but still a scary thing.
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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
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> Young Turks web site, they once named them off, at least six.
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[scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

[daikaiju66]

It fits the definition for me. Roy had done everything he could to get more 
life but that was denied him. When he had Deckard at his mercy he spared him 
and allowed him to do something that he could not do and that is to go on 
living. He actually showed empathy and mercy and was at the moment more human 
than the man hunting him. The speech is just the icing on the cake.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the 
shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser 
gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to 
die."

That gets me evey time I see the movie.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> The Blade Runner scene is poignant and memorable, can't believe I forgot that 
> one. But, is it really a "tearjerker"? It makes me sad, but not misty-eyed... 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B. Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:50:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 
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> That's actually a great list. There is one omission I found striking and that 
> is Roy Batty's speech on the rooftop in Blade Runner. That is classic. 
> 
> The Serenity choice is a great one. I remember being stunned into silence and 
> hearing audible gasps when the famous line "I am a leaf on the wind" is said 
> that last time. 
> 
> I'm glad they gave B5 some love too. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Adrianne Brennan  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > As touching as Doomsday was, it pales in comparison with the chips speech 
> > at 
> > the end of season 1 for me. 
> > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ 
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com 
> > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: 
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html 
> > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: 
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html 
> > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: 
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Martin Baxter 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Grab Kleenex, folks... 
> > > 
> > > http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=sf_s_26_greatest_tearjerkers 
> > > 
> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
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RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Weapons at Obama rally

[Martin Baxter]

(standing ovation)

When I first saw this, I thought only of all of the reports of threats against 
President Obama. Just scary. The comments on the vid of this on YouTube are 
running mostly PRO-this guy. I take that to be all of the wounded neocons 
coming out of their holes, but still a scary thing.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:31:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Weapons at Obama rally















 





  That is just so wrong. Our government needs to make a 
statement about this kind of behavior no matter what their point of view is 
that asinine stuff like this should never be tolerated. Period.

There are certain things that shouldn't be done. I would think that bringing a 
gun to a political rally should be on the top 5. 



On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Martin Baxter  
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Mr Worf, I get the feeling that he won't even be questioned. Am I the only 
person thinking that the Secret Service needs to be replaced in a hurry? I've 
lost track of the number of threats against President Obama this year. On the 
Young Turks web site, they once named them off, at least six.


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:19:46 -0700

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Weapons at Obama rally















 





  So I hope they throw his dumb ass in jail for a good long 
time. Just for Gp.


On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:



























This was apparently a planned publicity stunt by a conservative radio host... 
soemwhere. Can't remember the place. Worst thing about this?

It *would* have to be a brother packing the AR-15...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/18/right-wing-radio-host-sta_n_262559.html



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





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RE: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, I think they explained her vomiting as an aftereffect of the 
anti-gravity system they were using. 

While we're here, I want to know how the ship's doctor got onboard, with the 
pre-existing PTSD he's got? When the lights started blinking out in the last 
ep, he went crazy, huddling up on the floor, flashing back to what was 
apparently the last war humanity had fought, being trapped in rubble and unable 
to get to his family. That's something that should've been looked at, long and 
hard.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:13:16 -0700
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  Ok, one question that has been bothering me since the show 
started is WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT HAS A NERVOUS VOMITING PROBLEM GO 
ON A LONG TERM SPACE MISSION?
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Best of Science Fiction's Oppressed Species

[Martin Baxter]

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:10:03 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Best of Science Fiction's Oppressed Species















 





  
And don't forget when G'Kar agrees to cry out when the Emperor has him whipped, 
a cry so full of anguish, i still remember it. Giving even the appearance of 
defeat--as part of a plan to help Lando dethrone the Emperor--was still almost 
more than G'Kar could bear.


- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:20:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Best of Science Fiction's Oppressed Species







 





  


Reminds me that this is one they missed for that Tearjerker thread I posted, 
the Centauri siege/invasion of the Narn homeworld, when G'Kar surrendered 
himself and they trotted him out in chains, still walking with a more noble 
gait that Emperor Cartaggia...

Martin (so happy he bought four boxes of Kleenex yesterday)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:17:03 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Best of Science Fiction's Oppressed Species















 





  i totally agree, and i did so like G'Kar.  he was oh so noble!

--- On Wed, 8/19/09, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote:

From: Tracey de Morsella 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Best of Science Fiction's Oppressed Species
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:10 PM

They should definitely include Narn

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of B. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:08 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Best of Science Fiction's Oppressed Species

How about the Narn from B5?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
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> 2009/8/19 Tracey de Morsella 
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Species
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> > By Lauren Davis , 3:30
PMon
Tue Aug 18 2009,
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> > [image:
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http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/08/thumb160x_District9Poster_00
0.jpg]
> > *District 9 *'s crustacean aliens may be
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 they're hardly the first species to feel the sting of oppression. We
list
> > science fiction's other downtrodden, enslaved, and dehumanized (so to
speak)
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> > Newcomers (Alien Nation ):* *District
9*'s
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> > Newcomers. Like the *D9* aliens, the Newcomers just can't catch a break.
> > After fleeing from slavery on their own planet, a quarter of a million
> > Newcomers land in Los Angeles to find a sometimes less than welcoming
human
> > population. Aside
 from the unfortunate names some INS officials assign
the
> > new arrivals (in the original movie, Matt Sykes' partner was named "Sam
> > Francisco"), there are anti-alien Purists who think the Tenctonese
should
> > have stayed on Tencton, and plenty of murder, both from humans looking
to
> > eradicated the Newcomers and from those who would harvest their
> > life-extending glands.
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http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/08/thumb160x_Jem_Hadar.jpg]*The
> > Citizens of the Dominion (Star Trek :
Deep
> > Space Nine):* With all of its explorations of race and morality, the
*Star
> > Trek* universe has had its fair share of
 oppressed species: the Troglyte
> > miners who served their fellow Ardanans, the Romulans' Reman slaves, the
> > Orion women (who only appear to be slaves), the Tosk who serve as prey
for
> > the Hunters' sport, the Bajorans who endure 50 years of Cardassian
> > occupation, and, of course, anyone who encounters the Borg. But the
Founders
> > of the Dominion have a special talent for oppression, from engineering
the
> > supersoldier Jem'Hadar with an innate addiction to the drug ketracel
white
> > to infecting the Trevean with a congenital blight. Even the Vorta, who
serve
> > as the Dominion's middle managers, are mere slaves to the Founders, and
are
> > compelled to commit suicide

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

[Martin Baxter]

I hear you, pal.

My own moment-of-tears with the written word came when I first read Katherine 
Kurtz's "Camber the Heretic", a scene when a group of psi-gifted humanoids 
where being massacred by humans. One of the humanoids (Deryni, their race was 
called), Rhys, a doctor with the power to heal, was trying to escape when he 
saw injured humans nearby. Being a doctor, he followed the Hippocratic and 
stopped to begin healing the person. As he was doing so, he was hit from 
behind, a blow that stoved in his head, destroying the part of his brain that 
enabled him to heal. His wife Evaine learned this as she went into his mind, 
trying to access his power to heal him. All the while, he was still conscious, 
feeling himself die, saying his goodbyes to his friends telepathically... 
marked the first and only time I've ever thrown a book. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:20:26 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers















 





  
Sorry, but the biggest tearjerking moment for me was not in a movie...It was 
from Octavia Butler's "Wild Seed," when Anyanwu came to the conclusion that she 
was never going to change or escape from Doro, so she decided to just commit 
suicide (basically let herself die as she was immortal). Doro, realizing that 
Anyanwu was the only constant in his life, breaks down and pleads with her not 
to do it because he could not bare life without her (gotta read the bookI'm 
not good at explanations...in fact, I suck at it...). Until I read that book, I 
had never shed a tear over the written word...





From: Keith Johnson 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:07:35 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

  



The Blade Runner scene is poignant and memorable, can't believe I forgot that 
one. But, is it really a "tearjerker" ? It makes me sad, but not misty-eyed.. .

- Original Message -
From: "B. Smith" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:50:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

  



That's actually a great list. There is one omission I found striking and that 
is Roy Batty's speech on the rooftop in Blade Runner. That is classic.

The Serenity choice is a great one. I remember being stunned into silence and 
hearing audible gasps when the famous line "I am a leaf on the wind" is said 
that last time.

I'm glad they gave B5 some love too.

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Adrianne Brennan  
wrote:
>
> As touching as Doomsday was, it pales in comparison with the chips speech at
> the end of season 1 for me.
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint
 Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Martin Baxter
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Grab Kleenex, folks...
> >
> > http://www.sfx. co.uk/page/ sfx?entry= sf_s_26_greatest _tearjerkers
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
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> >
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[Martin Baxter]

I'm going to be even nicer to you in the future...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:03:46 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS















 





  
But that is the way it works in the Corps...everyone is a basic grunt rifleman. 
Behold, I am probably the only trombone player you know who could take you out 
at 500 meters with a service rifle! (M-16A1 &A2)





From: Mr. Worf 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:31:02 AM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  

I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It didn't 
make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of episodes 
later storming a base. 



On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:








Worf,

C.W. is totally right.  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic School' 
where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.  after that, they go 
2 whatever other school that they qualified for.

Fate.

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:



From: C.W. Badie 

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM


  




Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers Probably Army ones 
too...






From: Mr. Worf 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  

That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them into 
pilots too? 




On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  wrote:







Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a gruntand a rifleman...At least that is 
what I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What does make me 
ill about that show was a few years down the road, drill instructors started 
wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues. I'm sorry, but that is 
the most retarded thing I have every seen the Marine Corp do...Even worse than 
the Army taking the headgear that distinguished their special forces from the 
rest of the soldiers and letting everyone wear it...






From: Mr. Worf 



To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:44:43 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS




  

That's one of the things that I liked and disliked about the show. I didn't 
understand why they would waste training on making someone into a grunt and 
into a fighter pilot. You should be one or the other and not both. That would 
take too long to do in a war situation especially if you are trying to save the 
planet. But I also liked the disorganized feel because things would fall apart 
a bit if the bad guys were to hit certain areas first.Organization and 
logistics would get lost. It happened to the Russians when they fought the 
Finnish army and lost in the 1930s.



On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:

Trying to find out who consulted on the show in terms of military matters... 
and nothing. Might explain a thing or three.






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 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Though I appreciate the homage to us jarheads, they could have put more effort 
into the scripts, especially the storyline... I won't go into the impracticle 
combat space suits or the lack of stealth create by all of the light on the 
exterior of said suits and weapons or annoying beeps...(gag) lastly, the 
sickening overuse of Marine Corps historical quotes and overused 'gung-ho' 
cliche's Other than that, it was okay...




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From: Martin Baxter

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:01:09 AM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS


I agree with you, pal, particularly based on that ending it had.





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>From : "C.W. Badie"



>To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>
>Uh...to be fair, Space Above and Beyond NEEDED to be canceled
>
>
>
>
> _ _ __
>From: B. Smith
>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:43:24 PM
>Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
>
>
>Space: Above and Beyond
>Now and Again
>Hypernauts
>Surface
>
>--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups..com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
>>
>> Since we've been forced to acknowledge Cleopatra 2525, can we 
>> counter-balance that with its counter-piece, "Jack of All Trades"?
>>
>>

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

[Martin Baxter]

;-D

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:13:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now















 





  
Yup, but I won't tell...





From: Martin Baxter 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:45:38 AM
Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

  

Is the sigh of contentment that just rolled from my lips wrong?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:56:12 -0700
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

  





I'll just settle for the knit skirt every week, thank you...

 




From: Martin Baxter 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:25:43 PM
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

  




Ohyeaohyeaohyeaohye a... shame they couldn't figure out a way to get her on the 
ship.





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>From : "C.W. Badie" 
To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

P.S. I almost forgot...Baby Gurl wifey is Phoyne Okay...my son is kicking 
me off his comp for attempting ghetto 




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From: Martin Baxter 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:05:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now 

  
I'm still wondering if the leadenness isn't by design. The flashbacks do put a 
little pep in the proceedings, though not much. The first few
 reviews I read on this from other viewers marked it as " 'Grey's Anatomy' in 
Space". I'm seeing more " 'Lost' in Space" with every viewing. 





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>Date : Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:06:58 -0700 (PDT) 
>From : "C.W. Badie" 
>To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> 
>Leaden...That' s the word! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _ _ __ 
>From: Martin Baxter 
>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups..com 
>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 8:24:50 AM 
>Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now 
> 
>  
>Keith, I almost missed it, stumbling across it two minutes before it bbegan. I 
> 
>I enjoyed it overall, though the pacing was a bit leaden at times. (Maybe on 
>purpose?) The mysterious nature of the real mission has me
 hooked, without saying. Can't wait until the MC ventures into Pod 4 to find 
out what's really up. 
> 
>As for the incidental music, I really don't take notice of it as I watch a TV 
>show or movie, unless it's a song near and dear to my heart. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>>Subject : [scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now 
>>Date : Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:13:45 + (UTC) 
>>From : Keith Johnson 
>>To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
>> 
>>Anyone watching ABC's entry into the "Big Brother in Outer Space by way of 
>>BSG-style drama"? It deals with a seven-year mission in the year 2052 that 
>>sends eight astronauts to visit six planets in the Solar System. Very quickly 
>>into the show, we're made aware there's some kind of secret involved. The two 
>>most experienced astronauts in the program (one of whom is played by Malik 
>>Yoba) are
 initially left off the mission aboard the spaceship "Antares". Later, when 
some kind of heart problem keeps cropping up among the crew--evidently tied to 
the "secret"--the two astronauts are blasted into space to join the mission. 
One comment I overheard makes me think some kind of sentient race has been 
encountered by humanity--perhaps on a previous tragic mission to Mars in which 
one of the current astronauts had to leave three of his fellows behind. Perhaps 
this sentient race is controlling the mission somehow? Not sure. 
>> 
>>Also not sure yet if I'll like the show. It has some decent actors and decent 
>>lines. But just when I'm starting to get into the mission and the scifi 
>>aspect of it, I'm distracted by overpowering music that attempts to heighten 
>>a scene, the lead astronaut's self-reflective monologue, too much of the 
>>newly-hot camera work (a la BSG and Star Trek) with a shaky cam to convey 
>>reality. Or I'm watching two
 astronauts make nekkid love in zero g and feeling vaguely manipulated at an 
attempt to make me feel awestruck or something. There's a lot of flashbacks and 
flashforwards that make following the story a bit confusing at times.. "Lost" 
this ain't. There's also a odd flow: a mix of serious drama, melodrama, camp 
soap opera type moments, silly humour supported by 

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[Martin Baxter]

George, I'm thinking yes, for some reason.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:40:05 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS















 





  Does "Supertrain" and the "Big Bus" qualify as sci-fi? 

--- On Thu, 8/20/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:

From: C.W. Badie 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 1:56 AM












 
 


  
"Do what da script say do, Hey..."





From: Augustus Augustus 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:43:59 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  






hollywood baby, hollywood.

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Mr. Worf  wrote:


From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 10:31 AM


  

I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It didn't 
make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of episodes 
later storming a base. 



On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:








Worf,

C.W. is totally right.  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic School' 
where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.  after that, they go 
2 whatever other school that they qualified for.

Fate.

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:



From: C.W. Badie 

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM


  




Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers Probably Army ones 
too...






From: Mr. Worf 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  

That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them into 
pilots too? 




On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  wrote:







Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a grunt...and a rifleman...At least that is what 
I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What does make me ill 
about that show was a few years down the road, drill instructors started 
wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues. I'm sorry, but that is 
the most retarded thing I have every seen the Marine Corp do...Even worse than 
the Army taking the headgear that distinguished their special forces from the 
rest of the soldiers and letting everyone wear it...






From: Mr. Worf 



To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:44:43 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS




  

That's one of the things that I liked and disliked about the show. I didn't 
understand why they would waste training on making someone into a grunt and 
into a fighter pilot. You should be one or the other and not both. That would 
take too long to do in a war situation especially if you are trying to save the 
planet. But I also liked the disorganized feel because things would fall apart 
a bit if the bad guys were to hit certain areas first.Organization and 
logistics would get lost. It happened to the Russians when they fought the 
Finnish army and lost in the 1930s.



On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:

Trying to find out who consulted on the show in terms of military matters... 
and nothing. Might explain a thing or three.






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 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

 Date : Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:59:27 -0700 (PDT)


 From : "C.W. Badie" 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Though I appreciate the homage to us jarheads, they could have put more effort 
into the scripts, especially the storyline... I won't go into the impracticle 
combat space suits or the lack of stealth create by all of the light on the 
exterior of said suits and weapons or annoying beeps...(gag) lastly, the 
sickening overuse of Marine Corps historical quotes and overused 'gung-ho' 
cliche's Other than that, it was okay...




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From: Martin Baxter

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:01:09 AM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS


I agree with you, pal, particularly based on that ending it had.





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>Date : Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
>From : "C.W. Badie"



>To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>
>Uh...to be fair, Space Above and Beyond NEEDED to be canceled .
>
>
>
>
> _ _ __
>From: B. Smith
>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>Sent: Thursday, August 6

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[George Arterberry]

Does "Supertrain" and the "Big Bus" qualify as sci-fi? 

--- On Thu, 8/20/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:

From: C.W. Badie 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 1:56 AM












 
 





  "Do what da script say do, Hey..."





From: Augustus Augustus 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:43:59 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  





hollywood baby, hollywood.

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Mr. Worf  wrote:


From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 10:31 AM


  

I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It didn't 
make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of episodes 
later storming a base. 


On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  
wrote:








Worf,

C.W. is totally right.  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic School' 
where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.  after that, they go 
2 whatever other school that they qualified for.

Fate.

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:



From: C.W. Badie 

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM


  



Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers Probably Army ones 
too...






From: Mr. Worf 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  

That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them into 
pilots too? 



On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  wrote:







Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a grunt...and a rifleman...At least that is what 
I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What does make me ill 
about that show was a few years down the road, drill instructors started 
wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues. I'm sorry, but that is 
the most retarded thing I have every seen the Marine Corp do...Even worse than 
the Army taking the headgear that distinguished their special forces from the 
rest of the soldiers and letting everyone wear it...






From: Mr. Worf 



To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:44:43 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS




  

That's one of the things that I liked and disliked about the show. I didn't 
understand why they would waste training on making someone into a grunt and 
into a fighter pilot. You should be one or the other and not both. That would 
take too long to do in a war situation especially if you are trying to save the 
planet. But I also liked the disorganized feel because things would fall apart 
a bit if the bad guys were to hit certain areas first.Organization and 
logistics would get lost. It happened to the Russians when they fought the 
Finnish army and lost in the 1930s.


On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:

Trying to find out who consulted on the show in terms of military matters... 
and nothing. Might explain a thing or three.






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 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

 Date : Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:59:27 -0700 (PDT)


 From : "C.W. Badie" 

 To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com



Though I appreciate the homage to us jarheads, they could have put more effort 
into the scripts, especially the storyline... I won't go into the impracticle 
combat space suits or the lack of stealth create by all of the light on the 
exterior of said suits and weapons or annoying beeps...(gag) lastly, the 
sickening overuse of Marine Corps historical quotes and overused 'gung-ho' 
cliche's Other than that, it was okay...




 _ _ __
From: Martin Baxter

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:01:09 AM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS


I agree with you, pal, particularly based on that ending it had.





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>Date : Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
>From : "C.W. Badie"



>To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>
>Uh...to be fair, Space Above and Beyond NEEDED to be canceled .
>
>
>
>
> _ _ __
>From: B. Smith
>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:43:24 PM
>Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
>
>
>Space: Above and Beyond
>Now and Again
>Hypernauts
>Surface
>
>--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Martin Baxter" wrote:
>>
>> Since we've been forced to acknowledge Cleopatra 2525, can we 
>> counter-balance that with its counter-piece, "Jack of All Trades"?
>>
>> And, as I have invoked The One True Bruce, allow me to toss in "The
 Adventures

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

[Mr. Worf]

I agree. That scene in Blade Runner is used in one of the film classes that
I took.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:50 AM, B. Smith  wrote:

> That's actually a great list. There is one omission I found striking and
> that is Roy Batty's speech on the rooftop in Blade Runner. That is classic.
>
> The Serenity choice is a great one. I remember being stunned into silence
> and hearing audible gasps when the famous line "I am a leaf on the wind" is
> said that last time.
>
> I'm glad they gave B5 some love too.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan 
> wrote:
> >
> > As touching as Doomsday was, it pales in comparison with the chips speech
> at
> > the end of season 1 for me.
> > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Martin Baxter
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Grab Kleenex, folks...
> > >
> > > http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=sf_s_26_greatest_tearjerkers
> > >
> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [scifinoir2] Defying gravity

[Mr. Worf]

She threw up in the flashback 5 or 6 times. They nicknamed her Lady Puke or
something like that. She would have never made it in reality.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:25 PM, C.W. Badie wrote:

>
>
> Well, no matter what they called it, it sounded like space sickness to
> me...although they have been hinting around that the entire crew had been
> chosen by some kind of entity and it was causing them to undergo changes;
> physically and mentally from what I can tell...
>
>  --
> *From:* Mr. Worf 
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:13:16 PM
> *Subject:* [scifinoir2] Defying gravity
>
>
>
> Ok, one question that has been bothering me since the show started is WHY
> WOULD YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT HAS A NERVOUS VOMITING PROBLEM GO ON A LONG
> TERM SPACE MISSION?
>
> --
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_
> of_darkness/
>
>
>
> 




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