Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[Mr. Worf]

American movie directors suck at coming up with remakes of Asian cinema. The
casting of Will Smith in this role will just be a trainwreck. Plus the
censors won't allow the ending or the last 1/4 of the film.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Tracey de Morsella <
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote:

>
>
>  It’s true.  …unless it’s in development hell.  I dunno
>
>
>
> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Mr. Worf
> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 10:34 PM
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds
> Strong
>
>
>
>
>
> OH MY GOD SAY IT AIN"T SO I thought you were joking then I looked it
> up. They are going to mess that movie up. The entire twist of the movie is
> important and they will more than likely change it in the american version.
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I've heard good things about "Old Boy", and lots of conversation about the
> rumored version starring Will Smith.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:45:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds
> Strong
>
>
>
> Ok, I will post a review. :) But if she is having nightmares about shrimp I
> can tell you now that she won't be able to handle Thirst.
>
> Some of the images in Old boy was pretty graphic. I didn't bring it up
> because there isn't any scifi in it. It is an interesting story though. A
> guy gets snatched off of the street and imprisoned for 15 years in a small
> hotel looking room. One day he is given 7 days to figure out why he was
> placed there. Cool movie. It would have never been produced in Hollywood.
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing "District 9"--a feat I
> pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't
> sneak in "Thirst". She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner
> plate and menacing her--no fooling!
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds
> Strong
>
>
>
> I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and
> was blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking
> forward to the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and
> twisted films.
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it
> though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've
> heard some good things about it.
> I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera
> in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the
> negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the
> movie was portrayed well).  The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but
> overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon...
>
> *
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
>
> Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal
> Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the
> weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice.
>
> "Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently
> struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film
> internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi
> thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its
> sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million.
>
> The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's
> PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for
> sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in
> 10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for
> one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000.
>
> Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time
> Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a
> $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's
> comedy "The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a
> $11.2 million cume. Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1
> million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped
> 60% to $890,000 and a $4.5 million cume.
>
> The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top
> pe

RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[Tracey de Morsella]

It’s true.  …unless it’s in development hell.  I dunno

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:34 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

 



OH MY GOD SAY IT AIN"T SO I thought you were joking then I looked it up. 
They are going to mess that movie up. The entire twist of the movie is 
important and they will more than likely change it in the american version.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:

 

I've heard good things about "Old Boy", and lots of conversation about the 
rumored version starring Will Smith.



- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:45:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

  

Ok, I will post a review. :) But if she is having nightmares about shrimp I can 
tell you now that she won't be able to handle Thirst. 

Some of the images in Old boy was pretty graphic. I didn't bring it up because 
there isn't any scifi in it. It is an interesting story though. A guy gets 
snatched off of the street and imprisoned for 15 years in a small hotel looking 
room. One day he is given 7 days to figure out why he was placed there. Cool 
movie. It would have never been produced in Hollywood.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:

 

Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing "District 9"--a feat I 
pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't 
sneak in "Thirst". She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner plate 
and menacing her--no fooling!




- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

  

I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and was 
blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking forward to 
the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and twisted 
films. 

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:

 

No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. 
Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've heard some good 
things about it.
I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in 
the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the 
negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie 
was portrayed well).  The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I 
really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon...

*
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce

Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal 
Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend 
with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice.

"Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently 
struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film 
internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi 
thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore 
session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million.

The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's 
PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for 
sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in 
10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for 
one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000.

Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time 
Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 
million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy "The 
Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million cume. 
Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, and 
Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped 60% to $890,000 and a 
$4.5 million cume.

The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top 
performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That marked 
a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick.

In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease 
Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and 
grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue.

Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee 
Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. and 
gro

Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[Mr. Worf]

OH MY GOD SAY IT AIN"T SO I thought you were joking then I looked it up.
They are going to mess that movie up. The entire twist of the movie is
important and they will more than likely change it in the american version.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> I've heard good things about "Old Boy", and lots of conversation about the
> rumored version starring Will Smith.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:45:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds
> Strong
>
>
>
> Ok, I will post a review. :) But if she is having nightmares about shrimp I
> can tell you now that she won't be able to handle Thirst.
>
> Some of the images in Old boy was pretty graphic. I didn't bring it up
> because there isn't any scifi in it. It is an interesting story though. A
> guy gets snatched off of the street and imprisoned for 15 years in a small
> hotel looking room. One day he is given 7 days to figure out why he was
> placed there. Cool movie. It would have never been produced in Hollywood.
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing "District 9"--a feat I
>> pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't
>> sneak in "Thirst". She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner
>> plate and menacing her--no fooling!
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr. Worf" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds
>> Strong
>>
>>
>>
>> I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and
>> was blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking
>> forward to the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and
>> twisted films.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it
>>> though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've
>>> heard some good things about it.
>>> I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky
>>> camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up,
>>> and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in
>>> the movie was portrayed well).  The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but
>>> overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon...
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
>>>
>>> Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a
>>> pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during
>>> the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice.
>>>
>>> "Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently
>>> struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film
>>> internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi
>>> thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its
>>> sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million.
>>>
>>> The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's
>>> PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for
>>> sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in
>>> 10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for
>>> one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000.
>>>
>>> Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The
>>> Time Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a
>>> $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's
>>> comedy "The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a
>>> $11.2 million cume. Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1
>>> million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped
>>> 60% to $890,000 and a $4.5 million cume.
>>>
>>> The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top
>>> performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That
>>> marked a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick.
>>>
>>> In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease
>>> Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and
>>> grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue.
>>>
>>> Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee
>>> Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A.
>>> and grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement.
>>>
>>> IFC Fi

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Tracey de Morsella]

Actually, I do not think that her being a normal teen is necessarily more 
interesting.  I had a problem with them making her a genius for the purpose of 
ridiculing her father or to create conflict between them.  I liked the conflict 
they had between them fine before they mucked it up.  

 

Why I am okay with them making her a genius has to do with me over thinking it. 
 Taking a child who is normal and putting her in school with others who are 
geniuses in my view would be isolating, and a self-esteem killer.No loving 
parent who is aware of their child’s needs would subject their child to that.  
Some of the Zoe storylines that involved her interacting with the braining kids 
while she was the only normal kid, made that issue stand out for me.

 

When they made her smart, they stopped having those types of episodes.  So the 
mom and former teacher in me was not irked

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:10 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 






I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a "normal" teen is more 
interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was 
going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and 
instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman.
Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. 
angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others 
as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated 
to see her leave.

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

Tracey and Keith,

Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the 
story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early 
on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of 
his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

 

Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't 
like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts 
for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow!

I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they 
moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, 
away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy 
outside the nerds that populate the town.

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

 

OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent 
them from destroying the show rant.

 

I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either.  Even though it was weird, I kinda liked 
Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no 
chemistry and their lines  kind of fall flat.

 

I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in 
on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse.  I 
think moving her into the café was a good move 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 





A couple more thoughts:

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing.
  
* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?


- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Car

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts - Joe Morton

[Keith Johnson]

I can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to "Eureka". Morton's one of 
those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can play a 
likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have followed 
him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles flicks--and it's 
saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead in the shortlived 
TV series "Under One Roof", playing a memorable role as a former boxer turned 
transvestite on "New York Undercover", or even his guest stint as Whitley's 
love interest on "A Different World". Even his bit in "Terminator 2" is 
memorable. The anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is 
palpable, and I hated to see the character die. 

It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he deserves. 
He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And while 
I'm really happy to see him get steady work on "Eureka", and like the 
steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get 
some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem 
hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that angle's 
not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice. 

And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do 
yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie "City of Hope" 
(a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series "Tribeca" (which 
co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and especially, the classic 
Sayles' film "The Brother From Another Planet". That last, in which Morton 
plays an alien slave on the run, is an amazing performance given that he speaks 
not a word, and must convey everything with just his facial expressions and 
body language. 

I wonder if the "Eureka" showrunners really understand what a great asset they 
have in Morton...? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring 
characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim 
Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 








The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of 
them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries 
to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to 
be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality 
than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most 
well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's 
one of the most underrated and underused actors working). 

But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this 
season--i keep seeing "types" in all the characters, main stars and guests. 
They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it 
with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the 
characterizations just a bit... 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess 
storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's "Dr 
Manly" character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and 
the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up 
sympathetically. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week 
they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), 
so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found 
everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, 
but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have 
Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let 
him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they 
did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. 



I’m also had the moved away from everyo

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

oh damn I completely forgot about Deborah Farentino. She was great, especially 
that hot-you-want-her-but-fear-her thing she had going! What happened to her!? 
Eva Thorne was good too. Another one I hated to see leave. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring 
characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim 
Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 








The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of 
them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries 
to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to 
be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality 
than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most 
well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's 
one of the most underrated and underused actors working). 

But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this 
season--i keep seeing "types" in all the characters, main stars and guests. 
They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it 
with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the 
characterizations just a bit... 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess 
storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's "Dr 
Manly" character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and 
the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up 
sympathetically. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week 
they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), 
so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found 
everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, 
but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have 
Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let 
him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they 
did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. 



I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme 
shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. 
I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked 
in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure 
why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. 



By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest 
star with at best re-occurring status. 



Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they 
stay on track 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 








Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke o

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

Right said indeed. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:30:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









I liked Lexy in the end, but that was when they stopped the fake put down 
spats. I liked her and her boyfriend as well. The problem with these 
manufactured fights, is that the character is not confrontational. He is 
nuanced in his approach to problems. So when they create these weak 
manufactured conflicts, they fall flat 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:48 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't 
like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts 
for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! 

I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they 
moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, 
away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy 
outside the nerds that populate the town. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 







OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent 
them from destroying the show rant. 



I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo 
better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer). Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry 
and their lines kind of fall flat. 



I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in 
on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I 
think moving her into the café was a good move 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 








A couple more thoughts: 

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing. 

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... 

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 







Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 

Some other thoughts on the show: 

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has. 

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. 
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming bac

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

I'm voting for Tess too. I really like her. 
And please give Henry a life and a love! 


- Original Message - 
From: "angelababycat"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:44:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Eureka" Thoughts 






I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe 
because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right 
now...). But I agree that the "Carterison" thing was getting old. Besides, 
didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim 
was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or 
something? In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get 
married, have a baby, etc. So any real romance between them would have to top 
or be very different than that story. I'm voting for Tess. 

Angela 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote: 
> 
> Same here. I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of 
> ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it 
> down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible 
> in the short-term 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Martin Baxter 
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM 
> To: SciFiNoir2 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess 
> storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's "Dr 
> Manly" character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, 
> and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up 
> sympathetically. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _ 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: tdli...@... 
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week 
> they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my 
> favorite), so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister 
> who found everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they 
> need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that 
> they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him 
> together with Alison, then let him move on. I like the chemistry that he 
> has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison 
> never existed. 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the 
> theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the 
> big ideas. I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning 
> to what worked in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think 
> either. I'm not sure why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a 
> fluke. 
> 
> 
> 
> By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a 
> guest star with at best re-occurring status. 
> 
> 
> 
> Let's hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they 
> stay on track 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
> even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
> instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
> brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's 
> always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to 
> get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do 
> anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to 
> say about "Book sense, but no common sense". 
> 
> Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
> Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
> some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
> obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
> clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
> space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. 
> Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling 
> me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure 
> that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 
> 
> Some other thoughts on the show: 
> 
> * 

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

Agree with you on both comments. 
- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:36:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









I like Fargo. I don’t like the silly side stories they gave him a few weeks 
ago. Bowling and Car Love. Max headroom’s accent irked me, but his character 
grew on me 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:46 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









You don't like Fargo? Ha-ha! I hear you, though: like most cliches, Fargo 
pushes things a bit much. When they back off just a bit and let him appear to 
be more normal, he's much more effective. 

What did you think about "Max Headroom" playing the Aussie Great White Hunter? 
He's coming back for at least a guest shot soon. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:25:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 







I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week 
they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), 
so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found 
everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, 
but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have 
Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let 
him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they 
did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. 



I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme 
shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. 
I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked 
in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure 
why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. 



By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest 
star with at best re-occurring status. 



Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they 
stay on track 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 








Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 

Some other thoughts on the show: 

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has. 

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. 
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now. 

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing 
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall? 
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[Keith Johnson]

Is "Jackie Brown" not a good movie, or not that well received? I've never seen 
it. 

- Original Message - 
From: "ravenadal"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:23:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 






I love Tarantino. "Pulp Fiction" is still my favorite movie of all-time. I have 
seen everything Tarantino has made. I even liked "Jackie Brown." I can't wait 
to see "Inglourious Basterds." I was going to go last night, but I decided to 
go to see "District 9" instead. 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> After watching Tarentino's one hour manic interview with Charlie Rose, I'm 
> more interested in seeing "Basterds". Guy is very smart, very well read, very 
> well versed in history. His movies can be a bit overblown, but that's not it. 
> I can see myself seeing it on cable. I hear it's actually much more of a 
> "talky" than the grossout violence fest we seem to keep getting fed by the 
> trailers. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:36:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I can’t get up any enthusiasm to see bastards either. Don’t know why. 
> I’m not even sure I will pursue it on cable. It seems like it is some sort 
> of Dirty Dozen tribute and I loved that, but I’m not feeling it. 
> 
> 
> 
> Gotta get a baby sitter so we can go see District 9 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 PM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it 
> though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've heard 
> some good things about it. 
> I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera 
> in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the 
> negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie 
> was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I 
> really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... 
> 
> * 
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
>  
> 
> Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal 
> Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the 
> weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. 
> 
> "Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently 
> struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film 
> internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi 
> thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore 
> session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. 
> 
> The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's 
> PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for 
> sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in 
> 10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for 
> one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. 
> 
> Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time 
> Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 
> million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy "The 
> Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million 
> cume. Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, 
> and Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped 60% to $890,000 
> and a $4.5 million cume. 
> 
> The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top 
> performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That 
> marked a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick. 
> 
> In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease 
> Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and 
> grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue. 
> 
> Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee 
> Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. and 
> grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement. 
> 
> IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring Liam 
> Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a sturdy 
> $5,200. 
> 
> Elsewhere in the speci

Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[Keith Johnson]

I've heard good things about "Old Boy", and lots of conversation about the 
rumored version starring Will Smith. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:45:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 






Ok, I will post a review. :) But if she is having nightmares about shrimp I can 
tell you now that she won't be able to handle Thirst. 

Some of the images in Old boy was pretty graphic. I didn't bring it up because 
there isn't any scifi in it. It is an interesting story though. A guy gets 
snatched off of the street and imprisoned for 15 years in a small hotel looking 
room. One day he is given 7 days to figure out why he was placed there. Cool 
movie. It would have never been produced in Hollywood. 


On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing "District 9"--a feat I 
pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't 
sneak in "Thirst". She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner plate 
and menacing her--no fooling! 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 






I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and was 
blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking forward to 
the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and twisted 
films. 


On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. 
Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've heard some good 
things about it. 
I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in 
the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the 
negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie 
was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really 
enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... 

* 
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
 

Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal 
Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend 
with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. 

"Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently 
struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film 
internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi 
thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore 
session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. 

The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's 
PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for 
sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in 
10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for 
one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. 

Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time 
Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 
million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy "The 
Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million cume. 
Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, and 
Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped 60% to $890,000 and a 
$4.5 million cume. 

The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top 
performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That marked 
a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick. 

In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease 
Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and 
grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue. 

Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee 
Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. and 
grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement. 

IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring Liam 
Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a sturdy 
$5,200. 

Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti starrer 
"Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295, or a so-so 
$2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068. 

Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" added t

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

Wow, intersesting. Did the show you watch mention the gay young man in an 
episode of the "Batman" animated series? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:25:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






Her son is in another dimension or something. They showed him turning into 
nothing and disappearing. Stark was there in a biohazard suit when it happened. 

I agree that the guy that runs the cafe is gay. 

Speaking of gay stuff. I was watching Current tv last week and they did a 
segment on subtle gay images in commercials. For example, there is a commercial 
running with Priceline where there are 4 guys on a golf course and the 
Priceline hovercraft lands on the golf course and the guy hands them a check 
(except for one guy). One guy had the gay flag on his golf bag and was wearing 
a polo shirt for gay rights group. They gave a few other examples that if you 
didn't know you wouldn't have noticed it. I thought it was fascinating how they 
were communicating this other language. 


On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this 
noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a 
decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? 

Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl 
who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they 
just don't love him back. 

The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible "Legend of 
Earthsea" miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made 
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it 
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 

I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't 
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as 
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to 
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then 
they killed him again with a time paradox. 

Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was 
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give 
him many plots to participate in. 


On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






A couple more thoughts: 

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing. 

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... 

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? 





- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson" < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 







Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Ca

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

Yeah, but back in the day that wasn't always taken as gay. Words like "dandy" 
were very common, and men of means in many periods were foppish, sniffing their 
snuff, wearing brightly colored clothes, all but swooning when excited or 
tired, etc. 
But nowadays that type of behaviour typically is construed--and often 
intended--as being gay. While I agree it doesn't *have* to mean that, the way 
H'Wood usually works, it usually does mean that. 

But maybe I'm wrong... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:29:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






Has anyone seen the movie the Scarlet Pimpernel? (the 1970s version is 
unintentionally hilarious!) I think that is a good example of what Martin is 
referring to. There are guys that fall into that category, sort of an 
"anti-macho" category. Like Prince or David Spade for example. 


On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 





Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in 
just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. 

And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. 


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + 



Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this 
noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a 
decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? 

Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl 
who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they 
just don't love him back. 

The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible "Legend of 
Earthsea" miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 




I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made 
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it 
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 

I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't 
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as 
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to 
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then 
they killed him again with a time paradox. 

Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was 
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give 
him many plots to participate in. 



On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






A couple more thoughts: 

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing. 

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... 

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? 





- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson" < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten 

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

I don't know, he seems to be going a bit far. Lemme check the Net about him... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:23:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in 
just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies. 

And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this 
noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a 
decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? 

Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl 
who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they 
just don't love him back. 

The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible "Legend of 
Earthsea" miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 




I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made 
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it 
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 

I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't 
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as 
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to 
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then 
they killed him again with a time paradox. 

Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was 
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give 
him many plots to participate in. 



On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






A couple more thoughts: 

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing. 

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... 

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? 





- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson" < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 

Some other thoughts on the show: 

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has. 

* Good to see that Carter is falling fo

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

I hear you. I just agree with Tracey that Zoe as a "normal" teen is more 
interesting. Her becoming another supergenius rolling her eyes at her dad was 
going to be too much. I like that they've minimized focusing on her smarts and 
instead focused on her as a daughter and young woman. 
Lexi was another cliche that irritated me: the whole organic food, yoga, etc. 
angle was so incredibly cardboard I groaned at first. But like Zoe and others 
as they expanded her role a bit she became more interesting. i actually hated 
to see her leave. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:16:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






Tracey and Keith, 

Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the 
story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early 
on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of 
his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't 
like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts 
for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! 

I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they 
moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, 
away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy 
outside the nerds that populate the town. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 








OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent 
them from destroying the show rant. 



I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo 
better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer). Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry 
and their lines kind of fall flat. 



I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in 
on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I 
think moving her into the café was a good move 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









A couple more thoughts: 

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing. 

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... 

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 







Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angl

Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[Keith Johnson]

yeah, that and all the blaxploitation flicks he saw as a kid 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:11:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 






Keith, I saw an interview with him from way back, I think when he was talking 
up "Reservoir Dogs", and he talked about his working as a clerk ina video 
store, that he'd probably seen more movies than anyone else alive. I believe 
that helps him when he's behind the camera. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:49:50 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 






After watching Tarentino's one hour manic interview with Charlie Rose, I'm more 
interested in seeing "Basterds". Guy is very smart, very well read, very well 
versed in history. His movies can be a bit overblown, but that's not it. I can 
see myself seeing it on cable. I hear it's actually much more of a "talky" than 
the grossout violence fest we seem to keep getting fed by the trailers. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:36:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 








I can’t get up any enthusiasm to see bastards either. Don’t know why. I’m not 
even sure I will pursue it on cable. It seems like it is some sort of Dirty 
Dozen tribute and I loved that, but I’m not feeling it. 



Gotta get a baby sitter so we can go see District 9 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 









No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. 
Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've heard some good 
things about it. 
I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in 
the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the 
negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie 
was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really 
enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... 

* 
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
 

Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal 
Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend 
with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. 

"Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently 
struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film 
internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi 
thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore 
session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. 

The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's 
PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for 
sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in 
10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for 
one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. 

Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time 
Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 
million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy "The 
Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million cume. 
Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, and 
Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped 60% to $890,000 and a 
$4.5 million cume. 

The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top 
performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That marked 
a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick. 

In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease 
Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and 
grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue. 

Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee 
Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. and 
grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement. 

IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring Liam 
Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and f

Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

[Keith Johnson]

well, to us, time moves in a linear fashion, from "past" to "future". But 
that's only for objects that exist at sublight speeds. For any phenomena that 
move *at* lightspeed, time stands completely still. A photon that left a star 
from the Andromeda galaxy 2.2 million years ago notes *no* passage of time 
whatsoever. 
Ain't that wild? 
I don't think any current theories allow for us to travel "back" in time, only 
forward, or not be affected by it at all. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Adrianne Brennan"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:08:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions 






Yeah, the video is confusing in this regard and at points was off (albeit 
stylistically cool), but you're right. 


I still don't think time is linear, however. :) 



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Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: 
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath 



On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 







If time were linear (a line), it'd be one dimension. A true line is one 
dimensional, a plane (like a sheet of paper), would be two dimensional, of 
course the cube is three, and then the concept of spacetime is associated with 
four by some 

Speaking of time, there's a new book out I've heard about where one of the 
physicists working on the new supercollider in Europe tries to explain 
Relativity in an easy-to-understand method. It's called "Why Does E=mc2? And 
Why Should We Care?" The concept of time is discussed, including why it's truly 
relative (depending on one's frame of reference only) and why it flows in only 
one direction, at least for those of use with mass. I listen to a program 
called "Think", from KERA in Dallas. The book's author, Brian Cox, did an 
hourlong interview recently that was pretty good. You can find the interview 
here: 

http://www.kera.org/audio/think.php 
Ein stein's Theory of Relativity 
[2009-08-12 13:00:00] Is Einstein's theory of relativity too complex for the 
average Joe to comprehend, or just waiting for the right teacher? We'll discuss 
common misconceptions about relativity this hour with Brian Cox, particle 
physicist and co-author of the new book "Why Does E=MC2 And Why Should We 
Care?" (DaCapo, 2009). 

Here's a link to a review of the book. I plan to pick it up soon: 

http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780306817588 





- Original Message - 
From: "Adrianne Brennan" < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:27:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions 






Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a line, it should be 
two dimensions as a line's two dimensional. 





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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer < clockwork...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 





They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed time. 

Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now.. 

c w m 





On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 








Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me. 


Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would jump on 
that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very definition it 
should take up two dimensions not just one. 


And it's not linear. 


I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects of 
time versus time itself. 


And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started with...I 
will end this email. LOL 

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> wrote: 



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RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Martin Baxter]

Exactly, Mr Worf. (Though I avoid that '70 version out of respect for Leslie 
Howard's classic and mental self-preservation...)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:29:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  Has anyone seen the movie the Scarlet Pimpernel? (the 1970s 
version is unintentionally hilarious!) I think that is a good example of what 
Martin is referring to. There are guys that fall into that category, sort of an 
"anti-macho" category. Like Prince or David Spade for example. 



On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in 
just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies.

And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean.


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  
I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I  mean, they make all this 
noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a 
decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son??


Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl 
who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they 
just don't love him back.

The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible "Legend of 
Earthsea" miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed.



- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts







 





  I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of 
episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made 
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it 
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 



I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't 
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as 
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to 
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then 
they killed him again with a time paradox. 



Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was 
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give 
him many plots to participate in. 



On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:





















A couple more thoughts:

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing.


  
* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?




- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts







 





  
Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".



Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Viewing alert for tonight

[Martin Baxter]

"(where it was FIFTY-EIGHT degrees last night!)"

 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:59:13 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Viewing alert for tonight















 





  Dang it all!  I missed it!  Funny thing is I happened to 
catch an syndicated episode of "Dead Like Me" on the FOX station up here in 
Milwaukee (where it was FIFTY-EIGHT degrees last night!), yesterday.  I just 
love Jasmine Guy's dyspeptic meter maid and Mandy Patinkin's gruff, no-nonsense 
crew chief, Rube Sofer.  The collecting dead souls, working dead end jobs and 
having dead dreams (Guy's Roxie wanted to be a dancer and Daisy still wants to 
be an actress)conspired to make a surprisingly lively show.



~rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> Siffy will be airing the "Dead Like Me" movie at nine tonight.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

> 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

[Martin Baxter]

Thank you, Keith!

Up to three on the count, then. And I guess that I'll have to hand in my Gina 
Club Membership card now... 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:51:14 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers















 





  
Martin, that is freakin' poetic!!

What about Gina Torres from "Firefly"?

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:55:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers







 





  


For me, Jadzia was one of only two women on a very exclusive list, along with 
Aeryn Sun of "Farscape", "Women Who Could Eviscerate You On The Spot, and Your 
Last Words To Her Would Be 'Thank You...' "

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:54:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers















 





  Lav,

i agree.  now Ezra was kool, but Jadzia was S-E-X-Y!

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, wlro...@aol.com  wrote:

From: wlro...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 5:57 PM






 


  




Yes, it was one of the episodes 
that I almost stop watching. I loved her.  But it was nice how it was done 
where it was not she dies and oh well  unlike TNG.
--Lavender




From: Augustus Augustus 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:32 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest 
Tearjerkers



  
  

  never read it, but will definitely pick it up Monday and start on 
  it.
   
  Fate.
   
  p.s.  just finished watching the DS9 episode where Jadzia Dax 
  dies man they really screwed over Worf on that one!  brought a 
  little mist to THIS Marine's eye.

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Martin 
  Baxter  
  wrote:

  
From: 
Martin Baxter 
Subject: 
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers
To: "SciFiNoir2" 

Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 
7:40 AM


  

Thank you. After I'm done with the book I'm reading now, I'll need 
it, because I'm reading that again.

"If all the world's a stage 
and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the 
director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? 
v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ 
yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:46:13 -0700
Subject: Re: 
[scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

  






(handing Martin a handkerchief)





From: Martin Baxter 

To: SciFiNoir2 

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 
7:19:33 AM
Subject: RE: 
[scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest 
Tearjerkers

  
Oh, yeah...

(misting up)

"If all the 
world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell 
hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? 
v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:16:20 
+
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest 
Tearjerkers

  




I 
remember that too, good stuff. Never did figure why the Deryni of 
Gwynedd didn't leave en masse and go to the neighboring countries, some 
of which had openly practicing Deryni.
By the way, I remember getting 
misty eyed later, when Evaine-who, if I remember had lost a child 
too--was doing one of the spiritual/psychic things, and caught a 
glimpse 
of the Afterlife. There, she saw her husband and child, and decided to 
just let go, while her frantic brother tried to call her back. that was 
something...


- Original Message -
From: "Martin 
Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 
7:56:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 
SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

  


I hear you, pal.

My own moment-of-tears 
with the written word came when I first read Katherine Kurtz's "Camber 
the Heretic", a scene when a group of psi-gifted humanoids where being 
massacred by humans. One of the humanoids (Dery

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Martin Baxter]

I always took that to be an homage to Steve Irwin, Deity rest him well.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:36:03 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  








I like Fargo.  I don’t like the silly side stories they gave him
a few weeks ago.  Bowling and Car Love.  Max headroom’s accent irked me, but
his character grew on me

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith
Johnson

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:46 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts





 











You
don't like Fargo? Ha-ha!  I hear you, though: like most cliches, Fargo
pushes things a bit much. When they back off just a bit and let him appear to
be more normal, he's much more effective.



What did you think about "Max Headroom" playing the Aussie Great
White Hunter? He's coming back for at least a guest shot soon.









- Original Message -

From: "Tracey de Morsella" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:25:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts



  









I was getting sick of the silly Fargo
side plot distractions, but last week they did not have one, it seemed more
like season one (which was my favorite), so I am starting to like it again.
  Getting rid of the sister who found everything wrong with him was a
good move too.  I realize they need conflict, but I do not think it worked
with her.   I also like that they decided to have Carter move on, if
they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let him move on. 
I like the  chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they did not
pretend that he and Alison never existed.  

 

I’m also had the moved away from
everyone calling him stupid and let the theme shift back to he as the
commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas.  I get the sense
that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked in the first
place.   I did not like the 5 day stupid think either.  I’m not
sure why they keep pursuing that angle.  I hope it is a fluke.

 

By the way, I liked the husband on True
Blood, but I think he is just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. 

 

Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or
car stories next week and that they stay on track 

 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts





 









Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I
must saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because
Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every
ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum
mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the
superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how
the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify
what my mom used to say about "Book sense, but no common sense".



Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of
the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you
telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't
figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.



Some other thoughts on the show:



* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender
side and sense and humour she has.   



* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.

* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood"
now.  



* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back a
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking
of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He
basically sti

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Martin Baxter]

All points well made, Tracey.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:40:44 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  









Zoe being a genius did not bother me.  I liked it.  Zoe putting
down her dad’s intellect irked me.  Most kids I know who are smarter than their
parents are more protective of their egos.  Additionally, Carter has saved the
town with his odd sort of fly by the hips smarts to earn the respect of all---
most particularly his own daughter.  It was another contrivance for conflict. 
Frankly, she was a teenager, they did not need her intellect to be a source of 
conflict.

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Martin
Baxter

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 3:16 PM

To: SciFiNoir2

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts





 





Tracey and Keith,



Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the
story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early
on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of
his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound.



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik















To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 +

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts



  







 



Agreed,
Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't like his
sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts for
Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow!



I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they
moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him,
away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy
outside the nerds that populate the town.



- Original Message -

From: "Tracey de Morsella" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts



  







 



OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing
again to prevent them from destroying the show rant.

 

I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either.  Even though it was
weird, I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt
Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry and their
lines  kind of fall flat.

 

I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a
genius and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed
him it got worse.  I think moving her into the café was a good move 

 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Keith Johnson

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts





 









A
couple more thoughts:



* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the
dumbest guy in the room" thing.

  

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...



* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that
"female" voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?





- Original Message -

From: "Keith Johnson" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern

Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts



  









Everyone
watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it,
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything:
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about
"Book sense, but no common sense".



Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
obviously not a superge

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Tracey de Morsella]

They are the best actors however, some of the guest stars and recurring 
characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim 
Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 





The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of 
them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries 
to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to 
be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality 
than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most 
well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's 
one of the most underrated and underused actors working).

But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this 
season--i keep seeing "types" in all the characters, main stars and guests. 
They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it 
with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the 
characterizations just a bit...


- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess 
storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's "Dr 
Manly" character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and 
the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up 
sympathetically.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

 

I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week 
they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), 
so I am starting to like it again.   Getting rid of the sister who found 
everything wrong with him was a good move too.  I realize they need conflict, 
but I do not think it worked with her.   I also like that they decided to have 
Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let 
him move on.  I like the  chemistry that he has with the new woman and that 
they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed.  

 

I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme 
shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. 
 I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked 
in the first place.   I did not like the 5 day stupid think either.  I’m not 
sure why they keep pursuing that angle.  I hope it is a fluke.

 

By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest 
star with at best re-occurring status. 

 

Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they 
stay on track 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 





Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling C

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Eureka" Thoughts

[Tracey de Morsella]

I'm for Tess as well.  They have great chemistry

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of angelababycat
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:44 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Eureka" Thoughts

I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe
because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right
now...).  But I agree that the "Carterison" thing was getting old.  Besides,
didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after
Kim was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or
something?  In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison
get married, have a baby, etc.  So any real romance between them would have
to top or be very different than that story.  I'm voting for Tess.

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> Same here.  I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of
> ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain
it
> down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible
> in the short-term
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Martin Baxter
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM
> To: SciFiNoir2
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the
Carter-Tess
> storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's "Dr
> Manly" character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at
first,
> and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up
> sympathetically.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   _  
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@...
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
> 
>   
> 
>  
> 
> I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last
week
> they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my
> favorite), so I am starting to like it again.   Getting rid of the sister
> who found everything wrong with him was a good move too.  I realize they
> need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her.   I also like that
> they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him
> together with Alison, then let him move on.  I like the  chemistry that he
> has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison
> never existed.  
> 
>  
> 
> I'm also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the
> theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the
> big ideas.  I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning
> to what worked in the first place.   I did not like the 5 day stupid think
> either.  I'm not sure why they keep pursuing that angle.  I hope it is a
> fluke.
> 
>  
> 
> By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a
> guest star with at best re-occurring status. 
> 
>  
> 
> Let's hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that
they
> stay on track 
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying
it,
> even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably
more
> instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big
> brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's
> always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings
to
> get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can
do
> anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to
> say about "Book sense, but no common sense".
> 
> Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
> Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are
still
> some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
> obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
> clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of
the
> space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
> Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you
telling
> me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't
figure
> that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.
> 
> Some other thoughts on the show:
> 
> * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?

[scifinoir2] Re: What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?

[ravenadal]

SPOILERS

I saw "District 9" last night and, while I enjoyed the hell out of it, IMHO it 
doesn't really work as a metaphor for South African apartheid.  For one thing, 
the Prawns are not an indigenous people.  A more apt parallel would be the 
European sailors who were captured and quarantined with the unclean in shogun 
ruled Japan.  These sailors were treated as subhuman by their captors and 
quickly devolved within their filthy confines.  

There are other subtexts in the movie that I found disturbing.  One was the 
notion, possibly true, that the black majority does not rule South Africa now 
any more than they did under apartheid - the huge multinational corporations 
run South Africa. Where was the South African Prime Minister?  

I was also struck by the Wyclef John looking leader of the Nigerian gangster 
gang.  Was his wheelchair supposed to be a metaphor for the gang's "crippled" 
sense of morality?  The whole Nigerian gang thing bothered me but I am funny 
that way - I hated that Yaphet Kotto had to be the bad guy in "Live and Let 
Die" - cause it never ends well for black bad guys.

I wish the director had taken a different tack with the Prawn's twenty year 
program to produce enough fuel to rocket back up to the mother ship.  Behind 
the squalor the protagonist should have discovered freedom fighters and 
conspiracy cells working to get back to the mother ship and there should have 
been right-minded earthlings - sort of like the Underground Railroad.

(Regarding the 20 years it took to make the fuel: the mothership appeared 
TWENTY-EIGHT YEARS ago.  Which begs the questions: did it take Christopher 
Johnson eight years to collect the assembled debris he needed to manufacture 
the fuel?  Also, it begs questions about Prawn gestation and how long it takes 
a prawn to reach their majority. Is it possible the heroic Johnson was born on 
earth in that squalid camp and reached his majority within that initial eight 
years?

Other things that bothered me: the Nigerians have amassed a stockpile of alien 
weapons - weapons usually equals soldiers - the weapons can only be operated by 
someone with Prawn DNA - why didn't a former special ops military prawn ever go 
"Rambo" or "Steven Seagal" and conspire to do what the heretofore hapless Wikus 
Van De Merwe managed to do in the Jamaican compound.  Ditto for crawling inside 
the hulking "Iron Man" battle suit.

Speaking of the battle suit: why wasn't Merwe ever able to replicate the 
"frozen bullet" maneuver he executed in the Jamaican compound when fired upon 
by the MNU forces?

Lastly, it took too damn long for the head mercenary to "get his."  I wanted to 
channel Morgan Freeman and shout "(Somebody)SHOOT this motherf**ker!"  
Although, truth be told, I wasn't mad when the prawns ripped him limb from 
limb.  

By the by: it was nice to see Moesha's daddy (William Allen Young) working.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "sincere1906"  wrote:
>
> What Does District 9 Have To Say About Apartheid?
> 
> Posted Tuesday, August 18| By Jonah Weiner 
> 
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/browbeat/archive/2009/08/18/what-does-district-9-have-to-say-about-apartheid.aspx
> 
> I caught a matinee of District 9 today with a friend who is a devoted sci-fi 
> buff, and who spent several years living in South Africa (in the 
> post-apartheid aughts). Afterward, we agreed we'd had a blast—unlike Dan 
> Engber, whose review is here—and then got to the harder work of puzzling over 
> the film's politics. That District 9 grapples with apartheid is irrefutable, 
> but what does it have to say on the subject? (Spoilers hover above the next 
> paragraph, their alien turbines idling.)  
> 
> My friend was troubled by the depiction of the stranded aliens as "shiftless" 
> "intergalactic schlubs," as Dan puts it. There's something unsavory, he 
> argued, in director Neill Blomkamp portraying his allegorical shack dwellers 
> as dumb, hapless, and helpless members of a community so thoroughly rent by 
> poverty and oppression that the only hope for their betterment lies either in 
> intervention from the outside (Wikus van der Merwe) or the lone efforts of an 
> anomalous, intellectually advanced insider (the alien called Christopher 
> Thompson). This logic can take on an infantilizing, unempowering aspect, he 
> said, that denies oppressed parties agency, the ability to organize 
> effectively from the ground up.
> 
> We were both uncertain about Blomkamp's ultimate point about miscegenation, 
> for lack of a better word, as represented by Wikus's gooey transformation 
> into a prawn. Right through the film's final image, Wikus regards his 
> othering from himself as a horror he wants reversed—he fights the evil MNU 
> not out of virtue but out of self-interest and, in the process, becomes a 
> microcosmic model for any "native" body that fears "foreign" contamination. 
> The transforming/transformed Wikus isn't the embodiment of post-racial 
> harmony. Rather,

[scifinoir2] Re: "Eureka" Thoughts

[angelababycat]

I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe 
because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right 
now...).  But I agree that the "Carterison" thing was getting old.  Besides, 
didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim 
was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or 
something?  In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get 
married, have a baby, etc.  So any real romance between them would have to top 
or be very different than that story.  I'm voting for Tess.

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> Same here.  I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of
> ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it
> down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible
> in the short-term
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Martin Baxter
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM
> To: SciFiNoir2
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess
> storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's "Dr
> Manly" character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first,
> and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up
> sympathetically.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   _  
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@...
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
> 
>   
> 
>  
> 
> I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week
> they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my
> favorite), so I am starting to like it again.   Getting rid of the sister
> who found everything wrong with him was a good move too.  I realize they
> need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her.   I also like that
> they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him
> together with Alison, then let him move on.  I like the  chemistry that he
> has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison
> never existed.  
> 
>  
> 
> I'm also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the
> theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the
> big ideas.  I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning
> to what worked in the first place.   I did not like the 5 day stupid think
> either.  I'm not sure why they keep pursuing that angle.  I hope it is a
> fluke.
> 
>  
> 
> By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a
> guest star with at best re-occurring status. 
> 
>  
> 
> Let's hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they
> stay on track 
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it,
> even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more
> instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big
> brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's
> always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to
> get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do
> anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to
> say about "Book sense, but no common sense".
> 
> Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
> Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
> some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
> obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
> clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the
> space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
> Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling
> me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure
> that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.
> 
> Some other thoughts on the show:
> 
> * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she
> irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like
> the tender side and sense and humour she has.   
> 
> * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason
> I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's 

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Tracey de Morsella]

Zoe being a genius did not bother me.  I liked it.  Zoe putting down her
dad’s intellect irked me.  Most kids I know who are smarter than their
parents are more protective of their egos.  Additionally, Carter has saved
the town with his odd sort of fly by the hips smarts to earn the respect of
all--- most particularly his own daughter.  It was another contrivance for
conflict.  Frankly, she was a teenager, they did not need her intellect to
be a source of conflict.

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 3:16 PM
To: SciFiNoir2
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 



Tracey and Keith,

Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the
story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off
early on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as
sort of his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

 

Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I
didn't like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture
conflicts for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow!

I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they
moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from
him, away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added
normalcy outside the nerds that populate the town.

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

 

OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to
prevent them from destroying the show rant.

 

I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either.  Even though it was weird, I kinda
liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend
have no chemistry and their lines  kind of fall flat.

 

I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join
in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got
worse.  I think moving her into the café was a good move 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 





A couple more thoughts:

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just
like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to
stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's
the dumbest guy in the room" thing.
  
* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female"
voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?


- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it,
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's
always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to
get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do
anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to
say about "Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
clueless" scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling
me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure
that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Tracey de Morsella]

I like Fargo.  I don’t like the silly side stories they gave him a few weeks 
ago.  Bowling and Car Love.  Max headroom’s accent irked me, but his character 
grew on me

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:46 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 






You don't like Fargo? Ha-ha!  I hear you, though: like most cliches, Fargo 
pushes things a bit much. When they back off just a bit and let him appear to 
be more normal, he's much more effective.

What did you think about "Max Headroom" playing the Aussie Great White Hunter? 
He's coming back for at least a guest shot soon.




- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:25:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week 
they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), 
so I am starting to like it again.   Getting rid of the sister who found 
everything wrong with him was a good move too.  I realize they need conflict, 
but I do not think it worked with her.   I also like that they decided to have 
Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let 
him move on.  I like the  chemistry that he has with the new woman and that 
they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed.  

 

I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme 
shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. 
 I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked 
in the first place.   I did not like the 5 day stupid think either.  I’m not 
sure why they keep pursuing that angle.  I hope it is a fluke.

 

By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest 
star with at best re-occurring status. 

 

Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they 
stay on track 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 





Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has.   

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.  

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing 
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall?
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet he doesn't have a high 
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him 
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits 
to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Tracey de Morsella]

It when they pigeonhole  characters, the ruin them.  Fargo is one of those 
characters

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:51 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 






fargo is great as long as they tone down his cliched nerdiness.

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:02:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

This country is notoriously homophobic so more than likely they won't be 
persuing that angle. Its also possible that the actor that plays Fargo is gay 
but not the character. 

Unfortunately, Fargo will probably remain as a staple on the show. It is his 
technology that makes up the house and other key things on the show. I think 
that they also use him some people in the audience will have someone to 
identify with.




On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Tracey de Morsella 
 wrote:

 

Fargo has a girlfriend.  He had a major crush on Jo, and this woman who had a 
crush on him, took Jo’s form.  When he discovered he was connecting with the 
Doppelganger, they hooked up and went off into the sunset.   He still could be 
gay or bi, but it does not look like they are pursuing that angle  

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:48 PM


To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 

 


I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made 
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it 
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 

I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't 
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as 
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to 
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then 
they killed him again with a time paradox. 

Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was 
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give 
him many plots to participate in. 

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:

 

A couple more thoughts:

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing.
  
* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?




- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has.   

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Alli

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Tracey de Morsella]

I liked Lexy in the end, but that was when they stopped the fake put down 
spats.  I liked her and her boyfriend as well.  The problem with these 
manufactured fights, is that the character is not confrontational.  He is 
nuanced in his approach to problems. So when they create these weak  
manufactured conflicts, they fall flat

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:48 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 






Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't 
like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts 
for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow!

I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they 
moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, 
away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy 
outside the nerds that populate the town.

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent 
them from destroying the show rant.

 

I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either.  Even though it was weird, I kinda liked 
Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the boyfriend have no 
chemistry and their lines  kind of fall flat.

 

I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in 
on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse.  I 
think moving her into the café was a good move 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 





A couple more thoughts:

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing.
  
* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?


- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has.   

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.  
< b r>* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by 
killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

[Keith Johnson]

Martin, that is freakin' poetic!! 

What about Gina Torres from "Firefly"? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:55:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 






For me, Jadzia was one of only two women on a very exclusive list, along with 
Aeryn Sun of "Farscape", "Women Who Could Eviscerate You On The Spot, and Your 
Last Words To Her Would Be 'Thank You...' " 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com 
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:54:14 -0700 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 




Lav, 

i agree. now Ezra was kool, but Jadzia was S-E-X-Y! 

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, wlro...@aol.com  wrote: 



From: wlro...@aol.com  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 5:57 PM 







Yes, it was one of the episodes that I almost stop watching. I loved her. But 
it was nice how it was done where it was not she dies and oh well unlike TNG. 
--Lavender 




From: Augustus Augustus 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:32 PM 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 



never read it, but will definitely pick it up Monday and start on it. 

Fate. 

p.s. just finished watching the DS9 episode where Jadzia Dax dies man 
they really screwed over Worf on that one! brought a little mist to THIS 
Marine's eye. 

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Martin Baxter < truthseeker013@ hotmail.com > wrote: 



From: Martin Baxter < truthseeker013@ hotmail.com > 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 7:40 AM 




Thank you. After I'm done with the book I'm reading now, I'll need it, because 
I'm reading that again. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com 
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:46:13 -0700 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 







(handing Martin a handkerchief) 




From: Martin Baxter  
To: SciFiNoir2  
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:19:33 AM 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 


Oh, yeah... 

(misting up) 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net 
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:16:20 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 






I remember that too, good stuff. Never did figure why the Deryni of Gwynedd 
didn't leave en masse and go to the neighboring countries, some of which had 
openly practicing Deryni. 
By the way, I remember getting misty eyed later, when Evaine-who, if I remember 
had lost a child too--was doing one of the spiritual/psychic things, and caught 
a glimpse of the Afterlife. There, she saw her husband and child, and decided 
to just let go, while her frantic brother tried to call her back. that was 
something... 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:56:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 




I hear you, pal. 

My own moment-of-tears with the written word came when I first read Katherine 
Kurtz's "Camber the Heretic", a scene when a group of psi-gifted humanoids 
where being massacred by humans. One of the humanoids (Deryni, their race was 
called), Rhys, a doctor with the power to heal, was trying to escape when he 
saw injured humans nearby. Being a doctor, he followed the Hippocratic and 
stopped to begin healing the person. As he was doing so, he was hit from 
behind, a blow that stoved in his head, destroying the part of his brain that 
enabled him to heal. His wife Evaine learned this as she went into his mind, 
trying to access his power to heal him. All the while, he was still conscious, 
feeling himself die, saying his goodbyes to his friends telepathically. .. 
marked the first and only time I've ever thrown a book. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com 
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:20:26 -0700 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers 







Sorry, but the biggest tearjerking moment for me was not in a movie...It was 
from Octavia Butler's "Wild

[scifinoir2] Re: Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[ravenadal]

I love Tarantino.  "Pulp Fiction" is still my favorite movie of all-time.  I 
have seen everything Tarantino has made. I even liked "Jackie Brown."  I can't 
wait to see "Inglourious Basterds."  I was going to go last night, but I 
decided to go to see "District 9" instead.  

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> After watching Tarentino's one hour manic interview with Charlie Rose, I'm 
> more interested in seeing "Basterds". Guy is very smart, very well read, very 
> well versed in history. His movies can be a bit overblown, but that's not it. 
> I can see myself seeing it on cable. I hear it's actually much more of a 
> "talky" than the grossout violence fest we seem to keep getting fed by the 
> trailers. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:36:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I can’t get up any enthusiasm to see bastards either. Don’t know why. 
> I’m not even sure I will pursue it on cable. It seems like it is some sort 
> of Dirty Dozen tribute and I loved that, but I’m not feeling it. 
> 
> 
> 
> Gotta get a baby sitter so we can go see District 9 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 PM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it 
> though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've heard 
> some good things about it. 
> I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera 
> in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the 
> negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie 
> was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I 
> really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... 
> 
> * 
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
>  
> 
> Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal 
> Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the 
> weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. 
> 
> "Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently 
> struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film 
> internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi 
> thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore 
> session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. 
> 
> The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's 
> PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for 
> sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in 
> 10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for 
> one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. 
> 
> Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time 
> Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 
> million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy "The 
> Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million 
> cume. Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, 
> and Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped 60% to $890,000 
> and a $4.5 million cume. 
> 
> The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top 
> performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That 
> marked a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick. 
> 
> In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease 
> Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and 
> grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue. 
> 
> Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee 
> Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. and 
> grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement. 
> 
> IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring Liam 
> Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a sturdy 
> $5,200. 
> 
> Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti starrer 
> "Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295, or a 
> so-so $2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068. 
> 
> Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" added three playdates for a total 
> 17 and grossed $31,400, or a thin $1,047 per engag

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Viewing alert for tonight

[Mr. Worf]

It is one of those shows that you can get into but showtime wasn't the right
place for it. There needs to be a channel dedicated to shows like Dead like
me and others.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:59 PM, ravenadal  wrote:

> Dang it all!  I missed it!  Funny thing is I happened to catch an
> syndicated episode of "Dead Like Me" on the FOX station up here in Milwaukee
> (where it was FIFTY-EIGHT degrees last night!), yesterday.  I just love
> Jasmine Guy's dyspeptic meter maid and Mandy Patinkin's gruff, no-nonsense
> crew chief, Rube Sofer.  The collecting dead souls, working dead end jobs
> and having dead dreams (Guy's Roxie wanted to be a dancer and Daisy still
> wants to be an actress)conspired to make a surprisingly lively show.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Siffy will be airing the "Dead Like Me" movie at nine tonight.
> >
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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[scifinoir2] Re: Viewing alert for tonight

[ravenadal]

Dang it all!  I missed it!  Funny thing is I happened to catch an syndicated 
episode of "Dead Like Me" on the FOX station up here in Milwaukee (where it was 
FIFTY-EIGHT degrees last night!), yesterday.  I just love Jasmine Guy's 
dyspeptic meter maid and Mandy Patinkin's gruff, no-nonsense crew chief, Rube 
Sofer.  The collecting dead souls, working dead end jobs and having dead dreams 
(Guy's Roxie wanted to be a dancer and Daisy still wants to be an 
actress)conspired to make a surprisingly lively show.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> Siffy will be airing the "Dead Like Me" movie at nine tonight.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[Mr. Worf]

Ok, I will post a review. :) But if she is having nightmares about shrimp I
can tell you now that she won't be able to handle Thirst.

Some of the images in Old boy was pretty graphic. I didn't bring it up
because there isn't any scifi in it. It is an interesting story though. A
guy gets snatched off of the street and imprisoned for 15 years in a small
hotel looking room. One day he is given 7 days to figure out why he was
placed there. Cool movie. It would have never been produced in Hollywood.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing "District 9"--a feat I
> pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't
> sneak in "Thirst". She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner
> plate and menacing her--no fooling!
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds
> Strong
>
>
>
> I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and
> was blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking
> forward to the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and
> twisted films.
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it
>> though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've
>> heard some good things about it.
>> I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky
>> camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up,
>> and the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in
>> the movie was portrayed well).  The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but
>> overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon...
>>
>> *
>>
>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
>>
>> Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a
>> pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during
>> the weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice.
>>
>> "Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently
>> struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film
>> internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi
>> thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its
>> sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million.
>>
>> The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's
>> PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for
>> sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in
>> 10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for
>> one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000.
>>
>> Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time
>> Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a
>> $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's
>> comedy "The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a
>> $11.2 million cume. Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1
>> million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped
>> 60% to $890,000 and a $4.5 million cume.
>>
>> The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top
>> performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That
>> marked a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick.
>>
>> In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease
>> Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and
>> grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue.
>>
>> Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee
>> Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A.
>> and grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement.
>>
>> IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring
>> Liam Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a
>> sturdy $5,200.
>>
>> Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti
>> starrer "Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295,
>> or a so-so $2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068.
>>
>> Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" added three playdates for a
>> total 17 and grossed $31,400, or a thin $1,047 per engagement, with a $1.8
>> million cume.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Viewing alert for tonight

[Mr. Worf]

It is like a second life. They still have to eat, and keep a roof over their
heads so they have to work.  They are stuck in limbo but they need to
survive in between both worlds until they work off their pittance. Most of
the jobs that they get are civil servant jobs for god. Jasmine Guy is a
meter maid, George works as a temp. One of the other characters works for a
lawyer etc.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Fate,
>
> I'm still not fully into the entire story of the back characters, having
> only seen the show sporadically when it aired on Showtime. Showtime did sell
> the show's rights to Siffy, and they aired a massive day-long blast of eps
> either earlier this year or last last year. (To help with your catch-up,
> http://www.hulu.com/search?query=Dead+Like+Me ) I believe that the reason
> that George and the other Reapers need jobs is because the pay for Reaping
> isn't that much.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:31:17 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Viewing alert for tonight
>
>Martin,
>
> i never watched the tv show, but i am watching it now.  it is 27 minutes
> into it, and i am a little confused.  if george is dead, why does she need a
> job?  and furthermore, at the beginning, the pulled the soul out of  a man
> who was about 2 commit suicide.   now jasmine guy (whom i have loved since
> 'different world') and 2 other 'reapers' are in a beauty shop.  doing my
> best 2 piece 2gether their back stories.
>
> Fate.
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/23/09, Martin Baxter * wrote:
>
>
> From: Martin Baxter 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Viewing alert for tonight
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 7:02 PM
>
>
>
> Siffy will be airing the "Dead Like Me" movie at nine tonight.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? 
> v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Mr. Worf]

Her son is in another dimension or something. They showed him turning into
nothing and disappearing. Stark was there in a biohazard suit when it
happened.

I agree that the guy that runs the cafe is gay.

Speaking of gay stuff. I was watching Current tv last week and they did a
segment on subtle gay images in commercials. For example, there is a
commercial running with Priceline where there are 4 guys on a golf course
and the Priceline hovercraft lands on the golf course and the guy hands them
a check (except for one guy). One guy had the gay flag on his golf bag and
was wearing a polo shirt for gay rights group. They gave a few other
examples that if you didn't know you wouldn't have noticed it. I thought it
was fascinating how they were communicating this other language.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I  mean, they make all
> this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was
> home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son??
>
> Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy
> girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some
> women: they just don't love him back.
>
> The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible "Legend
> of Earthsea" miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
>
>
>
> I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago.
>
> I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made
> interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it
> wasn't going anywhere and lost steam.
>
> I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't
> going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as
> the son, and the animal trainer guy.
>
> They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed
> to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back.
> Then they killed him again with a time paradox.
>
> Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was
> autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't
> give him many plots to participate in.
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> A couple more thoughts:
>>
>> * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the
>> contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess
>> I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more
>> development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with
>> Stark or the "he's the dumbest guy in the room" thing.
>>
>> * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like
>> that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...
>>
>> * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah
>> Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female"
>> voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Keith Johnson" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
>>
>>
>>
>> Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying
>> it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably
>> more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the
>> big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's
>> always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to
>> get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do
>> anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to
>> say about "Book sense, but no common sense".
>>
>> Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
>> Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
>> some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
>> obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
>> clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the
>> space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
>> Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling
>> me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure
>> that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.
>>
>> Some other thoughts on the show:
>>
>> * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she
>> irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like
>> t

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Mr. Worf]

Has anyone seen the movie the Scarlet Pimpernel? (the 1970s version is
unintentionally hilarious!) I think that is a good example of what Martin is
referring to. There are guys that fall into that category, sort of an
"anti-macho" category. Like Prince or David Spade for example.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave
> in just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the
> ladies.
>
> And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 +
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
>
>
>
> I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I  mean, they make all
> this noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was
> home at a decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son??
>
> Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy
> girl who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some
> women: they just don't love him back.
>
> The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible "Legend
> of Earthsea" miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
>
>I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago.
>
> I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made
> interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it
> wasn't going anywhere and lost steam.
>
> I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't
> going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as
> the son, and the animal trainer guy.
>
> They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed
> to the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back.
> Then they killed him again with a time paradox.
>
> Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was
> autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't
> give him many plots to participate in.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> A couple more thoughts:
>
> * I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the
> contrived rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess
> I just like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more
> development to stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with
> Stark or the "he's the dumbest guy in the room" thing.
>
> * I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like
> that she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...
>
> * After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah
> Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female"
> voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Johnson" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
>
>
> Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying
> it, even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably
> more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the
> big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's
> always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to
> get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do
> anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to
> say about "Book sense, but no common sense".
>
> Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
> Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
> some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
> obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
> clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the
> space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
> Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling
> me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure
> that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.
>
> Some other thoughts on the show:
>
> * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she
> irritated the hell out o

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, I'm not taking Vincent's flouncing as gay. I've known men to behave in 
just that way, and leave a room with the choicest of pickins among the ladies.

And do more than just wine and dine them, if you know what I mean.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:35:09 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  
I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I  mean, they make all this 
noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a 
decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son??

Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl 
who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they 
just don't love him back.

The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible "Legend of 
Earthsea" miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed.


- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts







 





  I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of 
episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made 
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it 
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 


I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't 
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as 
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to 
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then 
they killed him again with a time paradox. 


Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was 
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give 
him many plots to participate in. 



On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:





















A couple more thoughts:

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing.

  
* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?



- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts







 





  
Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".


Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.


Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has.   


* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.

* Anyone know why the guy who played a

RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, I've seen "Thirst". Twisted good. I do recommend it, unless you tend to 
carry your movies into sleep, and aren't as deeply disturbed as I am. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:36:28 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong















 





  
Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing "District 9"--a feat I 
pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't 
sneak in "Thirst". She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner plate 
and menacing her--no fooling!


- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong







 





  I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie 
Old boy and was blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am 
looking forward to the movie because the director is known for making good 
dark, and twisted films. 



On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:





















No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. 
Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've heard some good 
things about it.

I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in 
the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the 
negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie 
was portrayed well).  The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I 
really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon...


*
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce


Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal 
Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend 
with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice.

"Basterds" is 
touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently struggling indie, even 
though Universal is distributing the film internationally and will share evenly 
in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi thriller "District 9" finished second 
after falling just 49% in its sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day 
cume of $73.5 million.

The weekend's other three wide openers bowed 
softly. Robert Rodriguez's PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. 
rung up $6.6 million for sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" 
registered $2.8 million in 10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: 
The Movie" -- slotted for one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- 
fetched just $800,000.

Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' 
literary adaptation "The Time Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million 
in fourth place for a $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings 
Paramount Vantage's comedy "The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 
million and a $11.2 million cume. Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million 
with an $8.1 million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" 
dropped 60% to $890,000 and a $4.5 million cume.

The weekend top 10 films 
collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top performers over the same frame 
last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That marked a third straight 
year-over-year 
weekend uptick.

In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The 
Mark Pease Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 
theaters and grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue.

Freestyle Releasing 
opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, 
with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. and grossed $60,708. -- a 
promising $15,177 per engagement.

IFC Films debuted the crime thriller 
"Five Minutes of Heaven," starring Liam Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single 
New York location and fetched a sturdy $5,200.

Elsewhere in the specialty 
market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti starrer "Cold Souls" added 32 
theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295, or a so-so $2,515 per venue, as 
cume climbed to $340,068.

Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" 
added three playdates for a total 17 and grossed $31,400, or a thin $1,047 per 
engagement, with a $1.8 million cume.





















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RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Martin Baxter]

Tracey and Keith,

Zoe being a genius really didn't strike me as all that contrived, within the 
story line, considering all of the complicated e-scams she'd pulled off early 
on. I wasn't keen on Lexi at first, but I warmed to her, seeing her as sort of 
his antithesis, as freewheeling as he was tightly-wound.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:47:52 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  
Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't 
like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts 
for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow!

I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they 
moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, 
away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy 
outside the nerds that populate the town.

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts







 





  








OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing
again to prevent them from destroying the show rant.

 

I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either.  Even though it was weird,
I kinda liked Jo better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer).Jo and the
boyfriend have no chemistry and their lines  kind of fall flat.

 

I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius
and join in on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it
got worse.  I think moving her into the café was a good move 

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith
Johnson

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts





 











A
couple more thoughts:



* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the
dumbest guy in the room" thing.

  

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...



* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that
"female" voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?





- Original Message -

From: "Keith Johnson" 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern

Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts



  









Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must
saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because
Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep
so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum
mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the
superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how
the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify
what my mom used to say about "Book sense, but no common sense".



Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
clueless" scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of
the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you
telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't
figure that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.



Some other thoughts on the show:



* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender
side and sense and humour she has.   



* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.

* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood"
now.  

< b r>* When is Henry going to get a l

RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, I saw an interview with him from way back, I think when he was talking 
up "Reservoir Dogs", and he talked about his working as a clerk ina  video 
store, that he'd probably seen more movies than anyone else alive. I believe 
that helps him when he's behind the camera.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:49:50 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong















 





  
After watching Tarentino's one hour manic interview with Charlie Rose, I'm more 
interested in seeing "Basterds". Guy is very smart, very well read, very well 
versed in history. His movies can be a bit overblown, but that's not it. I can 
see myself seeing it on cable. I hear it's actually much more of a "talky" than 
the grossout violence fest we seem to keep getting fed by the trailers.


- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:36:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong







 





  








I can’t get up any enthusiasm to see bastards either.  Don’t
know why.  I’m not even sure I will pursue it on cable.  It seems like it is
some sort of Dirty Dozen tribute and I loved that, but I’m not feeling it.

 

Gotta get a baby sitter so we can go see District 9

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith
Johnson

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District
9" Holds Strong





 











No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to
see it though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick
"Thirst"? I've heard some good things about it.

I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky
camera in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and
the negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the
movie was portrayed well).  The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but
overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon...



*

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce



Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a
pivotal Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the
weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice.



"Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently
struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film
internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi
thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its
sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million.



The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's
PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6
million for sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad"
registered $2.8 million in 10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games
3D: The Movie" -- slotted for one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional
venues -- fetched just $800,000.



Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time
Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a
$37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy
"The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a
$11.2 million cume. Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with
an $8.1 million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical
"Bandslam" dropped 60% to $890,000 and a $4.5 million cume.



The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top
performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That marked
a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick.



In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease
Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters
and grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue.



Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring
Renee Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A.
and grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement.



IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven,"
starring Liam Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and
fetched a sturdy $5,200.



Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti starrer
"Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295,
or a so-so $2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068.



Foc

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Martin Baxter]

That they do, Keith. (Needing to round out the characterizations, I mean.) And 
I second your assessment of Morton's talent. IMO< after Dennis Hasbert, he's 
the next actor of color to take home a gold statuette named for some little 
girl's uncle.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:57:05 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  
I'm very glad nothing came of that. I really like Tess, she's much more of a 
cool person underneath that exteriour. She has the unique ability to be gruff 
and rough and dismissive, then look at Carter with a very tender look that 
shows a person underneath who can really connect with someone. In short, she 
makes good "goo-goo eyes", something that caught me off guard. She too was a 
bit of a cliche: the teasing, joking woman who likes to put down Carter. I 
thought "oh not another cliche!" but then they added layers to her.

The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of 
them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries 
to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to 
be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality 
than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most 
well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's 
one of the most underrated and underused actors working).

But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this 
season--i keep seeing "types" in all the characters, main stars and guests. 
They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it 
with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the 
characterizations just a bit...


- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts







 





  


Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess 
storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's "Dr 
Manly" character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and 
the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up 
sympathetically.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  








I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions,
but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was
my favorite), so I am starting to like it again.   Getting rid of the sister
who found everything wrong with him was a good move too.  I realize they need
conflict, but I do not think it worked with her.   I also like that they
decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with
Alison, then let him move on.  I like the  chemistry that he has with the new
woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed.  

 

I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and
let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with
the big ideas.  I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning
to what worked in the first place.   I did not like the 5 day stupid think
either.  I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle.  I hope it is a fluke.

 

By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is
just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. 

 

Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week
and that they stay on track 

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith
Johnson

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts





 











Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must
saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because
Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every
ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum
mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the
superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how
the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify
what my mom used to say about "Book sense, but no common sense".



Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-ki

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

I'm very glad nothing came of that. I really like Tess, she's much more of a 
cool person underneath that exteriour. She has the unique ability to be gruff 
and rough and dismissive, then look at Carter with a very tender look that 
shows a person underneath who can really connect with someone. In short, she 
makes good "goo-goo eyes", something that caught me off guard. She too was a 
bit of a cliche: the teasing, joking woman who likes to put down Carter. I 
thought "oh not another cliche!" but then they added layers to her. 

The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and Ferguson. All of 
them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above material that tries 
to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man than Carter gets to 
be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more warmth and personality 
than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes Henry the most 
well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenomenal talents (I think he's 
one of the most underrated and underused actors working). 

But I keep noticing that even as I like the stories--and I am liking this 
season--i keep seeing "types" in all the characters, main stars and guests. 
They are very by-the-book at times. It's the actors that seem to rise above it 
with their likeability and acting chops. They need to round out the 
characterizations just a bit... 


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:39:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess 
storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's "Dr 
Manly" character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and 
the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up 
sympathetically. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 








I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week 
they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), 
so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found 
everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, 
but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have 
Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let 
him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they 
did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. 



I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme 
shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. 
I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked 
in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure 
why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. 



By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest 
star with at best re-occurring status. 



Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they 
stay on track 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 

Some other thoughts on the show: 

* I like the new lady brought in, w

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

You don't like Fargo? Ha-ha! I hear you, though: like most cliches, Fargo 
pushes things a bit much. When they back off just a bit and let him appear to 
be more normal, he's much more effective. 

What did you think about "Max Headroom" playing the Aussie Great White Hunter? 
He's coming back for at least a guest shot soon. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:25:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week 
they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my favorite), 
so I am starting to like it again. Getting rid of the sister who found 
everything wrong with him was a good move too. I realize they need conflict, 
but I do not think it worked with her. I also like that they decided to have 
Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with Alison, then let 
him move on. I like the chemistry that he has with the new woman and that they 
did not pretend that he and Alison never existed. 



I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the theme 
shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the big ideas. 
I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning to what worked 
in the first place. I did not like the 5 day stupid think either. I’m not sure 
why they keep pursuing that angle. I hope it is a fluke. 



By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a guest 
star with at best re-occurring status. 



Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they 
stay on track 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 

Some other thoughts on the show: 

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has. 

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. 
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now. 

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing 
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall? 
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high 
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him 
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits 
to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "only" the 
sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, 
more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high 
dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, 
Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which 
usually means he's finally brought in to these top sec

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

fargo is great as long as they tone down his cliched nerdiness. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:02:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






This country is notoriously homophobic so more than likely they won't be 
persuing that angle. Its also possible that the actor that plays Fargo is gay 
but not the character. 

Unfortunately, Fargo will probably remain as a staple on the show. It is his 
technology that makes up the house and other key things on the show. I think 
that they also use him some people in the audience will have someone to 
identify with. 




On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Tracey de Morsella < 
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > wrote: 








Fargo has a girlfriend. He had a major crush on Jo, and this woman who had a 
crush on him, took Jo’s form. When he discovered he was connecting with the 
Doppelganger, they hooked up and went off into the sunset. He still could be 
gay or bi, but it does not look like they are pursuing that angle 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:48 PM 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 








I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made 
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it 
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 

I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't 
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as 
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to 
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then 
they killed him again with a time paradox. 

Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was 
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give 
him many plots to participate in. 





On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 





A couple more thoughts: 

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing. 

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... 

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? 






- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson" < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 







Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 

Some other thoughts on the show: 

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has. 

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. 
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband le

Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[Keith Johnson]

After watching Tarentino's one hour manic interview with Charlie Rose, I'm more 
interested in seeing "Basterds". Guy is very smart, very well read, very well 
versed in history. His movies can be a bit overblown, but that's not it. I can 
see myself seeing it on cable. I hear it's actually much more of a "talky" than 
the grossout violence fest we seem to keep getting fed by the trailers. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:36:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 









I can’t get up any enthusiasm to see bastards either. Don’t know why. I’m not 
even sure I will pursue it on cable. It seems like it is some sort of Dirty 
Dozen tribute and I loved that, but I’m not feeling it. 



Gotta get a baby sitter so we can go see District 9 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 









No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. 
Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've heard some good 
things about it. 
I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in 
the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the 
negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie 
was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really 
enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... 

* 
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
 

Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal 
Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend 
with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. 

"Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently 
struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film 
internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi 
thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore 
session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. 

The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's 
PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for 
sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in 
10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for 
one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. 

Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time 
Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 
million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy "The 
Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million cume. 
Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, and 
Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped 60% to $890,000 and a 
$4.5 million cume. 

The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top 
performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That marked 
a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick. 

In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease 
Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and 
grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue. 

Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee 
Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. and 
grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement. 

IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring Liam 
Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a sturdy 
$5,200. 

Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti starrer 
"Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295, or a so-so 
$2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068. 

Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" added three playdates for a total 
17 and grossed $31,400, or a thin $1,047 per engagement, with a $1.8 million 
cume. 

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

Bring back Hewitt! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent 
them from destroying the show rant. 



I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo 
better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer). Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry 
and their lines kind of fall flat. 



I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in 
on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I 
think moving her into the café was a good move 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









A couple more thoughts: 

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing. 

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... 

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 







Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 

Some other thoughts on the show: 

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has. 

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. 
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now. 
< b r>* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by 
killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall? 
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high 
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him 
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits 
to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "only" the 
sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. But, 
more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some high 
dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells, etc. In fact, 
Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these dangers, which 
usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret discussions. Is it 
logical, therefore, for

Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

Agreed, Tracey. I was stunned when the daughter became a genius, and I didn't 
like his sister either. Again, they try way too hard to manufacture conflicts 
for Carter, when they could simply just let the show flow! 

I didn't like Lexi at first. But you know what? Like his daughter, had they 
moved her out of Carter's house and let her function on her own away from him, 
away from the daily spats, I'd have liked her to stay. She added normalcy 
outside the nerds that populate the town. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:30:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









OK Keith, don’t get me started on they need Hewitt producing again to prevent 
them from destroying the show rant. 



I do not like Jo’s boyfriend either. Even though it was weird, I kinda liked Jo 
better with Max headroom (Matt Frewer). Jo and the boyfriend have no chemistry 
and their lines kind of fall flat. 



I daughter started to irk me when they decided to make her a genius and join in 
on the dumb jokes. When the aunt came and they tag teamed him it got worse. I 
think moving her into the café was a good move 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 









A couple more thoughts: 

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing. 

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... 

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canad a Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 







Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" scht ick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 

Some other thoughts on the show: 

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has. 

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. 
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now. 
< b r>* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by 
killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall? 
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at Global Dynamics. Yet he doesn't have a high 
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him 
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits 
to him wi

Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[Keith Johnson]

Let us know how it is, please. After my wife seeing "District 9"--a feat I 
pulled off only because she had *no* clue of what it would be like--I can't 
sneak in "Thirst". She had nightmares about shrimp jumping off a dinner plate 
and menacing her--no fooling! 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 






I saw the trailer for Thirst. It looks good. I saw the movie Old boy and was 
blown away by several scenes and the twisted ass plot. I am looking forward to 
the movie because the director is known for making good dark, and twisted 
films. 


On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it though. 
Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've heard some good 
things about it. 
I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera in 
the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the 
negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the movie 
was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but overall I really 
enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... 

* 
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
 

Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal 
Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the weekend 
with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. 

"Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently 
struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film 
internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's sci-fi 
thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its sophomore 
session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. 

The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's 
PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for 
sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million in 
10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted for 
one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. 

Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time 
Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a $37.4 
million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's comedy "The 
Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a $11.2 million cume. 
Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an $8.1 million cume, and 
Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped 60% to $890,000 and a 
$4.5 million cume. 

The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top 
performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That marked 
a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick. 

In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease 
Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and 
grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue. 

Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee 
Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. and 
grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement. 

IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring Liam 
Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a sturdy 
$5,200. 

Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti starrer 
"Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295, or a so-so 
$2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068. 

Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" added three playdates for a total 
17 and grossed $31,400, or a thin $1,047 per engagement, with a $1.8 million 
cume. 







-- 
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Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Keith Johnson]

I was going to ask, why was Allison's son dropped? I mean, they make all this 
noise about her being pregnant, and last week she even stated she was home at a 
decent hour every day. So where the hell is her son?? 

Fargo isn't gay: he has a girlfriend now. I'm pretty sure it's that crazy girl 
who morphed her body into a duplicate of Jo's. Fargo loves him some women: they 
just don't love him back. 

The guy who runs Cafe Diem (who was also a wizard in the horrible "Legend of 
Earthsea" miniseries) seems to be gay to me, the way he's portrayed. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:47:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 






I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made 
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it 
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 

I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't 
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as 
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to 
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then 
they killed him again with a time paradox. 

Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was 
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give 
him many plots to participate in. 


On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






A couple more thoughts: 

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing. 

* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her... 

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo? 





- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson" < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts 







Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense". 

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized. 

Some other thoughts on the show: 

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has. 

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on. 
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now. 

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing 
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?! And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall? 
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting every

RE: [scifinoir2] Dexter Palmer

[Martin Baxter]

The name sounds vaguely familiar -- ah. Heard it from someone in another group 
of mine who also had a preview copy of the same book. Nothing personally.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ironpi...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:42:59 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] Dexter Palmer















 





  Anyone know anything about an author named Dexter Palmer. Got 
an advance reading copy of a steampunk book called Dream Of Perpetual Motion 
but can't find out anything about the author.



If ya know, let me know.



thanks



B





 

  














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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Eureka" Thoughts

[Martin Baxter]

Entirely possible. When this entire "aliens on the way" storyline came up, I 
harbored half a thought that it might be a way to re-introduce Stark. He 
dissipated here on Earth, but some distant race of aliens put him back together 
and returned him, ostensibly out of goodwill, but with a darker agenda in mind.

Martin (*really* needs to look into selling soul to become an H'Wood writer)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:30:31 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  Well he may be back since his True Blood tenure was *ahem* 
short lived.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> Keith, I'm with you on all of your points.

> 

> As for why they wrote out Stark's character -- the only thing I can think of 
> is that he got tired of the role. They weren't really giving him much to do 
> with it. I've since seen him on a liquor commercial, but not "True Blood", as 
> I don't have HBO and am not  a fan of the show.

> 

> As for Carter's security clearance, that makes no sense to me, either. Feels 
> as though the writers didn't take the extra step in the thought process, 
> simply left it at the supposition that a town sheriff shouldn't have access 
> to top secrets, even if most of those top secrets are the cause of most of 
> the troubles he has to deal with. I half-hoped that, as the series went on, 
> there would be a point at which such was recognized, he would be bumped up

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

> 

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: keithbjohn...@...

> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:52:34 +

> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

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> Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
> even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
> instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
> brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's 
> always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to 
> get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do 
> anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to 
> say about "Book sense, but no common sense".

> 

> Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
> Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
> some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
> obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
> clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
> space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
> then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me 
> Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that 
> out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

> 

> Some other thoughts on the show:

> 

> * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she 
> irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like 
> the tender side and sense and humour she has.   

> 

> * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
> never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
> season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.

> * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
> show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.  

> 

> * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by 
> killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back 
> a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking of 
> that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He 
> basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running 
> experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall?

> * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
> the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet he doesn't have a high 
> security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with 
> him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off 
> limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "only" 
> the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD

[scifinoir2] Re: "Eureka" Thoughts

[daikaiju66]

Well he may be back since his True Blood tenure was *ahem* short lived.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> Keith, I'm with you on all of your points.
> 
> As for why they wrote out Stark's character -- the only thing I can think of 
> is that he got tired of the role. They weren't really giving him much to do 
> with it. I've since seen him on a liquor commercial, but not "True Blood", as 
> I don't have HBO and am not  a fan of the show.
> 
> As for Carter's security clearance, that makes no sense to me, either. Feels 
> as though the writers didn't take the extra step in the thought process, 
> simply left it at the supposition that a town sheriff shouldn't have access 
> to top secrets, even if most of those top secrets are the cause of most of 
> the troubles he has to deal with. I half-hoped that, as the series went on, 
> there would be a point at which such was recognized, he would be bumped up
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
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> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@...
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:52:34 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
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> Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
> even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
> instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
> brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's 
> always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to 
> get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do 
> anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to 
> say about "Book sense, but no common sense".
> 
> Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
> Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
> some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
> obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
> clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
> space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
> then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me 
> Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that 
> out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.
> 
> Some other thoughts on the show:
> 
> * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she 
> irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like 
> the tender side and sense and humour she has.   
> 
> * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
> never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
> season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.
> * Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
> show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.  
> 
> * When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by 
> killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back 
> a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking of 
> that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He 
> basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running 
> experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall?
> * Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
> the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet he doesn't have a high 
> security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with 
> him because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off 
> limits to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "only" 
> the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD. 
>  But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some
> high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells,
> etc. In fact, Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these 
> dangers, which usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret 
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[scifinoir2] Dexter Palmer

[Bosco Bosco]

Anyone know anything about an author named Dexter Palmer. Got an advance 
reading copy of a steampunk book called Dream Of Perpetual Motion but can't 
find out anything about the author.

If ya know, let me know.

thanks

B


  

[scifinoir2] Re: Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong

[daikaiju66]

The South African media portrayal of Nigerians and other West African 
immigrants is pretty brutal at times. They are frequently portrayed as drug 
dealers or carpetbagging oppurtunists. 

One thing that I found interesting is that the people in the documentary 
portion of the film were expressing their feelings about the new wave of 
immigrants from Zimbabwe and other countries. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Where'd you hear that? I thought I heard them speak a language that wasn't 
> English or Afrikans? 
> Either way that doesn't matter: the were black people, and portrayed pretty 
> badly as drug dealers, weapons dealers, thugs living in squalor, even had the 
> prostitutes committing the worst act of all, having sex with the "prawns". 
> The whites in teh movie were reprehensible too, but they were at least on top 
> in that world. I was sorely troubled by the portrayal of the black thugs, 
> whatever their country of origin. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Justin Mohareb"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:09:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Basterds" Take Box Office,"District 9" Holds Strong 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> One thing, though. They're not supposed to be Nigerian, specifically. 
> It appears that, in SA, the term "Nigerian" is synonymous with 
> "gangster". 
> 
> Justin 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Keith 
> Johnson< keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > No surprise about Tarantino's flick. I'm not really motivated to see it 
> > though. Anyone seen or heard of the Korean vampire flick "Thirst"? I've 
> > heard some good things about it. 
> > I saw "District 9" yesterday and loved it. Had two issues: the shaky camera 
> > in the first 20 minutes or so, which darn near had me throwing up, and the 
> > negative portrayal of the Nigerians (though to be fair, no human in the 
> > movie was portrayed well). The Nigerian thing was a major issue, but 
> > overall I really enjoyed the flick. Hope to drop a full review soon... 
> > 
> > * 
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i91e05ffd5e045bf1badc73eee3940fce
> >  
> > 
> > Quentin Tarantino's World War II actioner "Inglourious Basterds," a pivotal 
> > Weinstein Co. release starring Brad Pitt, debuted gloriously during the 
> > weekend with an estimated $37.6 million in chart-topping boxoffice. 
> > 
> > "Basterds" is touted by some as a make-or-break film for the recently 
> > struggling indie, even though Universal is distributing the film 
> > internationally and will share evenly in any worldwide profit. Sony's 
> > sci-fi 
> > thriller "District 9" finished second after falling just 49% in its 
> > sophomore session to $18.9 million and a 10-day cume of $73.5 million. 
> > 
> > The weekend's other three wide openers bowed softly. Robert Rodriguez's 
> > PG-rated family fantasy "Shorts" from Warner Bros. rung up $6.6 million for 
> > sixth place; Fox Searchlight's comedy "Post Grad" registered $2.8 million 
> > in 
> > 10th, and Disney's sports documentary "X Games 3D: The Movie" -- slotted 
> > for 
> > one week only in 1,399 extra-dimensional venues -- fetched just $800,000. 
> > 
> > Among other second-frame holdovers, Warners' literary adaptation "The Time 
> > Traveler's Wife" fell a modest 46% to $10 million in fourth place for a 
> > $37.4 million cume, while further down the rankings Paramount Vantage's 
> > comedy "The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard" slid 53% to $2.7 million and a 
> > $11.2 million cume. Disney's "Ponyo" dipped 32% to $2.4 million with an 
> > $8.1 
> > million cume, and Summit Entertainment's youth musical "Bandslam" dropped 
> > 60% to $890,000 and a $4.5 million cume. 
> > 
> > The weekend top 10 films collected $108 million, or 31% more than the top 
> > performers over the same frame last year, according to Nielsen EDI. That 
> > marked a third straight year-over-year weekend uptick. 
> > 
> > In a limited bow, Paramount Vantage unspooled comedy "The Mark Pease 
> > Experience," starring Ben Stiller and Jason Schwartzman, in 10 theaters and 
> > grossed $3,000, or just $300 per venue. 
> > 
> > Freestyle Releasing opened the comedy "My One and Only," starring Renee 
> > Zellweger and Kevin Bacon, with two playdates in New York and two in L.A. 
> > and grossed $60,708. -- a promising $15,177 per engagement. 
> > 
> > IFC Films debuted the crime thriller "Five Minutes of Heaven," starring 
> > Liam 
> > Neeson and James Nesbitt, in a single New York location and fetched a 
> > sturdy 
> > $5,200. 
> > 
> > Elsewhere in the specialty market, Samuel Goldwyn/IDP's Paul Giamatti 
> > starrer "Cold Souls" added 32 theaters for a total 53 and grossed $133,295, 
> > or a so-so $2,515 per venue, as cume climbed to $340,068. 
> > 
> > Focus Features' Korean vampire pic "Thirst" added three playdates for a 
> > total 17 and grossed 

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Tracey de Morsella]

That's good to hear.  I liked him and the psychologist much better than the
boyfriend and the sister

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:41 AM
To: SciFiNoir2
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 



Mr Worf, if the blurb trailer for the show is to be believed, then Taggart
(Animal Guy) is going to make an appearance this season. And Zane looked
none too overjoyed at it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:47:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 

I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then
they killed him again with a time paradox. 

Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't
give him many plots to participate in. 



On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson 
wrote:

 

A couple more thoughts:

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just
like Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to
stand on his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's
the dumbest guy in the room" thing.
  
* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female"
voice is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?




- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

 

Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it,
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's
always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to
get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do
anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to
say about "Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling
me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure
that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she
irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like
the tender side and sense and humour she has.   

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason
I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me
this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.  

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by
killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back
a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking of
that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He
basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running
experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall?
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in
the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Tracey de Morsella]

Same here.  I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of
ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it
down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible
in the short-term

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM
To: SciFiNoir2
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 



Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess
storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's "Dr
Manly" character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first,
and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up
sympathetically.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

  

 

I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week
they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my
favorite), so I am starting to like it again.   Getting rid of the sister
who found everything wrong with him was a good move too.  I realize they
need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her.   I also like that
they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him
together with Alison, then let him move on.  I like the  chemistry that he
has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison
never existed.  

 

I'm also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the
theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the
big ideas.  I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning
to what worked in the first place.   I did not like the 5 day stupid think
either.  I'm not sure why they keep pursuing that angle.  I hope it is a
fluke.

 

By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a
guest star with at best re-occurring status. 

 

Let's hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they
stay on track 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

 





Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it,
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's
always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to
get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do
anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to
say about "Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling
me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure
that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she
irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like
the tender side and sense and humour she has.   

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason
I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me
this season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.  

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by
killing off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back
a computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking of
that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He
basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running
experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall?
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in
the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet he doesn't have a high
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming space

Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions

[Adrianne Brennan]

Yeah, the video is confusing in this regard and at points was off (albeit
stylistically cool), but you're right.
I still don't think time is linear, however. :)

~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath


On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Keith Johnson
wrote:

>
>
> If time were linear (a line), it'd be one dimension. A true line is one
> dimensional, a plane (like a sheet of paper), would be two dimensional, of
> course the cube is three, and then the concept of spacetime is associated
> with four by some
>
> Speaking of time, there's a new book out I've heard about where one of the
> physicists working on the new supercollider in Europe tries to explain
> Relativity in an easy-to-understand method.  It's called "Why Does E=mc2?
> And Why Should We Care?" The concept of time is discussed, including why
> it's truly relative (depending on one's frame of reference only) and why it
> flows in only one direction, at least for those of use with mass.  I listen
> to a program called "Think", from KERA in Dallas. The book's author, Brian
> Cox, did an hourlong interview recently that was pretty good. You can find
> the interview here:
>
> http://www.kera.org/audio/think.php
> Ein*stein's Theory of 
> Relativity
> *
> [2009-08-12 13:00:00] Is Einstein's theory of relativity too complex for
> the average Joe to comprehend, or just waiting for the right teacher? We'll
> discuss common misconceptions about relativity this hour with Brian Cox,
> particle physicist and co-author of the new book "Why Does E=MC2 And Why
> Should We Care?" (DaCapo, 2009).
>
> Here's a link to a review of the book. I plan to pick it up soon:
>
> http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780306817588
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adrianne Brennan" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:27:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Visualizing Up To Ten Dimensions
>
>
>
> Observed time isn't a dimension, though. And if it's in a line, it should
> be two dimensions as a line's two dimensional.
>
>
>
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Omari Confer wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> They dont speak of time in its abstractthey refer to time as observed
>> time.
>>
>> Who i was when i began this email...and who I am right now..
>>
>> c w m
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Adrianne Brennan <
>> adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Really cool, but the stuff on time bewildered me.
>>>
>>> Time shouldn't exist in just one dimension. And while some people would
>>> jump on that and claim time is linear, if it were linear by its very
>>> definition it should take up two dimensions not just one.
>>>
>>> And it's not linear.
>>>
>>> I think most of what scientists observe of as being time are the effects
>>> of time versus time itself.
>>>
>>> And now that I've given everyone a bigger headache than they started
>>> with...I will end this email. LOL
>>>
>>> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
>>> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
>>> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
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RE: [scifinoir2] Viewing alert for tonight

[Martin Baxter]

Fate, 

I'm still not fully into the entire story of the back characters, having only 
seen the show sporadically when it aired on Showtime. Showtime did sell the 
show's rights to Siffy, and they aired a massive day-long blast of eps either 
earlier this year or last last year. (To help with your catch-up, 
http://www.hulu.com/search?query=Dead+Like+Me ) I believe that the reason that 
George and the other Reapers need jobs is because the pay for Reaping isn't 
that much. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:31:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Viewing alert for tonight















 





  Martin,

i never watched the tv show, but i am watching it now.  it is 27 minutes into 
it, and i am a little confused.  if george is dead, why does she need a job?  
and furthermore, at the beginning, the pulled the soul out of  a man who was 
about 2 commit suicide.   now jasmine guy (whom i have loved since 'different 
world') and 2 other 'reapers' are in a beauty shop.  doing my best 2 piece 
2gether their back stories.

Fate.

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:

From: Martin Baxter 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Viewing alert for tonight
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Date: Sunday, August 23,
 2009, 7:02 PM






 


  


Siffy will be airing the "Dead Like Me" movie at nine tonight.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik




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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

[Martin Baxter]

For me, Jadzia was one of only two women on a very exclusive list, along with 
Aeryn Sun of "Farscape", "Women Who Could Eviscerate You On The Spot, and Your 
Last Words To Her Would Be 'Thank You...' "

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:54:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers















 





  Lav,

i agree.  now Ezra was kool, but Jadzia was S-E-X-Y!

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, wlro...@aol.com  wrote:

From: wlro...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 5:57 PM






 


  



Yes, it was one of the episodes 
that I almost stop watching. I loved her.  But it was nice how it was done 
where it was not she dies and oh well  unlike TNG.
--Lavender




From: Augustus Augustus 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:32 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest 
Tearjerkers



  
  

  never read it, but will definitely pick it up Monday and start on 
  it.
   
  Fate.
   
  p.s.  just finished watching the DS9 episode where Jadzia Dax 
  dies man they really screwed over Worf on that one!  brought a 
  little mist to THIS Marine's eye.

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Martin 
  Baxter  
  wrote:

  
From: 
Martin Baxter 
Subject: 
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers
To: "SciFiNoir2" 

Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 
7:40 AM


  

Thank you. After I'm done with the book I'm reading now, I'll need 
it, because I'm reading that again.

"If all the world's a stage 
and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the 
director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? 
v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ 
yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:46:13 -0700
Subject: Re: 
[scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

  






(handing Martin a handkerchief)





From: Martin Baxter 

To: SciFiNoir2 

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 
7:19:33 AM
Subject: RE: 
[scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest 
Tearjerkers

  
Oh, yeah...

(misting up)

"If all the 
world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell 
hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? 
v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:16:20 
+
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest 
Tearjerkers

  




I 
remember that too, good stuff. Never did figure why the Deryni of 
Gwynedd didn't leave en masse and go to the neighboring countries, some 
of which had openly practicing Deryni.
By the way, I remember getting 
misty eyed later, when Evaine-who, if I remember had lost a child 
too--was doing one of the spiritual/psychic things, and caught a 
glimpse 
of the Afterlife. There, she saw her husband and child, and decided to 
just let go, while her frantic brother tried to call her back. that was 
something...


- Original Message -
From: "Martin 
Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 
7:56:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 
SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers

  


I hear you, pal.

My own moment-of-tears 
with the written word came when I first read Katherine Kurtz's "Camber 
the Heretic", a scene when a group of psi-gifted humanoids where being 
massacred by humans. One of the humanoids (Deryni, their race was 
called), Rhys, a doctor with the power to heal, was trying to escape 
when he saw injured humans nearby. Being a doctor, he followed the 
Hippocratic and stopped to begin healing the person. As he was doing 
so, 
he was hit from behind, a blow that stoved in his head, destroying the 
part of his brain that enabled him to heal. His wife Evaine learned 
this 
as she went into his mind, trying to access his power to heal him. All 
the while, he was still conscious, feeling himself die, saying his 
goodbyes to his friends telepathically. .. marked the first and only 
time I've ever thrown a book. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the 
people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- 
C

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[Martin Baxter]

Good news! Thank you, Adrianne!

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:24:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS















 





  Torchwood isn't being cancelled. In fact it's been brought 
back for a fourth season.
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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:51 AM, tasheka4  wrote:


New to this group, but I thought I'd chime in with my favorite cancelled scifi 
shows.



I really liked Otherworld from the 80s and was sad to see it cancelled.  Does 
anyone remember that one?



Also hated to lose Alien Nation, Farscape, Babylon 5, and most recently 
Torchwood.





--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "C.W. Badie"  wrote:

>

> Oh I don't know, Martin...getting into a tight sitting position is going to 
> be murder with this 'spare tire'...and trying to hit a target well over 5 
> football fields away...do I really need to explain that?



>

>

>

>

> 

> From: Martin Baxter 

> To: SciFiNoir2 

> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:34:16 AM

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

> You still have the same mind. The rest is just a matter of compensation.

>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

>

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

>

>

>

>

>

> 

> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com

> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:03:19 -0700

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

>

>

> I guess I should have mentioned that was over 20 years,70lbs, and a pair of 
> bifocals ago...

>

>

>

>

> 

> From: Martin Baxter 

> To: SciFiNoir2 

> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:48:51 AM

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

> I'm going to be even nicer to you in the future...

>

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

>

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

>

>

>

>

>

> 

> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com

> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:03:46 -0700

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

>

>

> But that is the way it works in the Corps...everyone is a basic grunt 
> rifleman. Behold, I am probably the only trombone player you know who could 
> take you out at 500 meters with a service rifle! (M-16A1 &A2)



>

>

>

>

> 

> From: Mr. Worf 

> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:31:02 AM

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

>

> Â 

> I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It 
> didn't make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of 
> episodes later storming a base.

>

>

>

> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  
> wrote:

>

>

> >

> >

> >Worf,

> >

> >C.W. is totally right.  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic School' 
> >where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.  after that, 
> >they go 2 whatever other school that they qualified for.



> >

> >Fate.

> >

> >--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:

> >

> >

> >>From: C.W. Badie 

> >>

> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> >>Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM

> >>

> >>

> >>Â 

> >>

> >>

> >>Honestly, Worf, That is how they train Marine officers Probably Army 
> >>ones too...

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> 

> From: Mr. Worf 

> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM

> >>

> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

> >>

> >>Â 

> >>That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them into 
> >>pilots too?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  
> >>wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a gruntand a riflemanAt least that 
> >>>is what I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What does 
> >>>make me ill about that show was a few years down the road, drill 
> >>>instructors start

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, I'm with you on all of your points.

As for why they wrote out Stark's character -- the only thing I can think of is 
that he got tired of the role. They weren't really giving him much to do with 
it. I've since seen him on a liquor commercial, but not "True Blood", as I 
don't have HBO and am not  a fan of the show.

As for Carter's security clearance, that makes no sense to me, either. Feels as 
though the writers didn't take the extra step in the thought process, simply 
left it at the supposition that a town sheriff shouldn't have access to top 
secrets, even if most of those top secrets are the cause of most of the 
troubles he has to deal with. I half-hoped that, as the series went on, there 
would be a point at which such was recognized, he would be bumped up

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:52:34 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  
Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".

Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.

Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has.   

* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.
* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.  

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing 
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall?
* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet he doesn't have a high 
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him 
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits 
to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "only" the 
sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at GD.  But, 
more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering some
high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity wells,
etc. In fact, Carter's the *only* person who consistently tackles these 
dangers, which usually means he's finally brought in to these top secret 
discussions. Is it logical, therefore, for his clearance to be relatively low?



 

  














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RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, if the blurb trailer for the show is to be believed, then Taggart 
(Animal Guy) is going to make an appearance this season. And Zane looked none 
too overjoyed at it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:47:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  I think that they hinted that Fargo is gay a couple of 
episodes ago. 

I think that the sheriff and allison having a romance would have made 
interesting tv when they first started the show, but as time passed on it 
wasn't going anywhere and lost steam. 


I think that they killed off Stark's character because his character wasn't 
going anywhere. There are a few others that just disappeared as well such as 
the son, and the animal trainer guy. 

They killed off Stark back when they killed the son. He was first exposed to 
the alien object that was in sector 5. He left the show then came back. Then 
they killed him again with a time paradox. 


Allison's son was fully exposed to the alien object by accident. He was 
autistic / physics genius. The problem is that making him autistic didn't give 
him many plots to participate in. 



On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:





















A couple more thoughts:

* I'm actually glad Nathan Stark is gone, at least in terms of the contrived 
rivalry he and Carter had. I was tired of that angle too. I guess I just like 
Carter's character, and feel the character needs more development to stand on 
his own, outside of angles like the battles with Stark or the "he's the dumbest 
guy in the room" thing.

  
* I don't care for Jo's boyfriend--too generic cool genius--but do like that 
she has a boyfriend. Nice to see some softer angles to her...

* After all this time, the voice of the computer Sarah (named after Sarah 
Michelle Gellar) still cracks me up. Everyone relizes that that "female" voice 
is actually done by the actor who plays Fargo?



- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:52:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts







 





  
Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it, 
even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more 
instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big 
brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's always 
the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to get to 
the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do anything: 
as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to say about 
"Book sense, but no common sense".


Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. 
Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still 
some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's 
obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm 
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the 
space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused. Allison 
then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling me Carter, 
an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure that out? 
Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.


Some other thoughts on the show:

* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated 
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender 
side and sense and humour she has.   


* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I 
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this 
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.

* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the 
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood" now.  

* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing 
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back a 
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking of that, 
Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He basically 
still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running experiments. Does 
he even have an office at city hall?

* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in 
the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet he doesn't have a high 
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him 
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopen

RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts

[Martin Baxter]

Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess 
storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's "Dr 
Manly" character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first, and 
the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up 
sympathetically.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts















 





  








I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions,
but last week they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was
my favorite), so I am starting to like it again.   Getting rid of the sister
who found everything wrong with him was a good move too.  I realize they need
conflict, but I do not think it worked with her.   I also like that they
decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him together with
Alison, then let him move on.  I like the  chemistry that he has with the new
woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison never existed.  

 

I’m also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and
let the theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with
the big ideas.  I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning
to what worked in the first place.   I did not like the 5 day stupid think
either.  I’m not sure why they keep pursuing that angle.  I hope it is a fluke.

 

By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is
just a guest star with at best re-occurring status. 

 

Let’s hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week
and that they stay on track 

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith
Johnson

Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts





 











Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must
saying I'm enjoying it, even more than last season. I think that's because
Carter is noticeably more instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every
ep so far, as the big brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum
mechanics, Carter's always the one guy in the room who cuts through the
superficial coverings to get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how
the scientists can do anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify
what my mom used to say about "Book sense, but no common sense".



Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too. Tracey
mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still some
moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's obviously
not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of
the space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you
telling me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't 
figure
that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.



Some other thoughts on the show:



* I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she irritated
the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like the tender
side and sense and humour she has.   



* Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason I
never really liked his love for Allison, and it's less appealing to me this
season for some reason. I say let that angle die, and let him move on.

* Anyone know why the guy who played allison's ex- and new-husband left the
show? I thought he was coming back, but here he's on "True Blood"
now.  



* When is Henry going to get a life and a love? I hate what they did by killing
off his love, and this recent--spoiler!--storyline  of bringing back a
computerized copy of her, then killing it off? WTF?!   And speaking
of that, Henry is mayor now, but doesn't seem to do any mayoral stuff. He
basically still sports the mechanics' garb, when he's not at GD running
experiments. Does he even have an office at city hall?

* Carter is sheriff, charged with keeping all law and protecting everyone in
the town, including those at Global Dynamics.  Yet he doesn't have a high
security clearance. Allison refused to discuss the oncoming spaceship with him
because of that, and that top secret section that's been reopened is off limits
to him without an escort. Okay, I guess I'm confused: if he's "only"
the sheriff, maybe he wouldn't have top secret clearance to everything at
GD.  But, more times than I can count, Carter risks his life by entering
some high dangerous lab to fight a creature of living ooze, gravity

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[Martin Baxter]

(standing ovation)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:57:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS















 





  
You should be sttled into the idea that if it is good, it's got to go...





From: tasheka4 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:51:09 AM
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

  

New to this group, but I thought I'd chime in with my favorite cancelled scifi 
shows.

I really liked Otherworld from the 80s and was sad to see it cancelled. Does 
anyone remember that one?

Also hated to lose Alien Nation, Farscape, Babylon 5, and most recently 
Torchwood.

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "C.W. Badie"  wrote:
>
> Oh I don't know, Martin...getting into a tight sitting position is going to 
> be murder with this 'spare tire'...and trying to hit a target well over 5 
> football fields away...do I really need to explain that?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _ _ __
> From: Martin Baxter 
> To: SciFiNoir2 
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:34:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> You still have the same mind. The rest is just a matter of compensation.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _ _ __
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:03:19 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> I guess I should have
 mentioned that was over 20 years,70lbs, and a pair of bifocals ago...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _ _ __
> From: Martin Baxter 
> To: SciFiNoir2 
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:48:51 AM
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> I'm going to be even nicer to you in the future...
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _ _ __
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
>
 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:03:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> But that is the way it works in the Corps...everyone is a basic grunt 
> rifleman. Behold, I am probably the only trombone player you know who could 
> take you out at 500 meters with a service rifle! (M-16A1 &A2)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _ _ __
> From: Mr. Worf 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:31:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> 
> Â  
> I'm aware of that, my focus was more on the pilot aspect of the show. It 
> didn't make sense for them to be in a fighter pilot role then a couple of 
> episodes later storming a base. 
> 
> 
>
 
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Augustus Augustus  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >Worf,
> >
> >C.W. is totally right.  even Marine Corps officers go to 'The Basic School' 
> >where they learn 2 be grunts and how 2 lead other Marines.  after that, 
> >they go 2 whatever other school that they qualified for.
> >
> >Fate. 
> >
> >--- On Tue, 8/18/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From: C.W. Badie 
> >>
> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >>Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:30 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>Â  
> >>
> >>
> >>Honestly, Worf, That is how
 they train Marine officers Probably Army ones too...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>  _ _ __
> From: Mr. Worf 
> >>To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10:33 AM 
> >>
> >>Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> >>
> >>Â  
> >>That I understand. What I didn't understand was why did they make them into 
> >>pilots too? 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, C.W. Badie  
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Um...Mr. Worf, every Marine is a gruntand a rifleman At least that 
> >>>is what I was taught...But officers lead...just not each other...What
 does make me ill about that show was a few years down the road, drill 
instructors started wearing campain covers (smokie hats) with dress blues. I'm 
sorry, but that is the most retarded thing I have every seen the Marine Corp 
do...Even worse than the Army taking the headgear that distinguished their 
special forces from the rest of the soldiers and letting everyone wear it...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  _ _ __
> From