Re: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday
I think that the bootleg community is pretty good, but it is nothing compared to Russia, China, Taiwan and Mexico. You can pretty find anything on disk. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Indeed, the bootleg connection in the black community is amazing; whether it's clothing, DVD's, CD's, electronics, food--you name it. Europe had its town criers, black communities have the men who found something or got it at a discount--and spread some gossip too! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:10:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday Just a matter of the guy turning up at the barber shop... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:53:13 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday Well, I know you can find, er, bargain methods to see these flicks on not-quite-yet-approved circular plastic media here in the ATL! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:31:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday Both of these *would* wander into the theaters when the only things in my wallet are dust mites... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:42:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday Well, well, well, maybe I have two movies to see this weekend: this one and Black Dynamite. LAC appears to be an entertaining action picture. Hey, what's up with Gerard Butler recently that he's getting so many movies? Romantic comedies, thrillers, scifi? He's been everywhere. By the way, I noticed in the trailer that Colm Chief O'Brien Meaney is also starring in this flick. Oh heck, isn't Where the Wild Things Are also debuting this weekend? * http://www.lawabidingcitizenfilm.com/ *Law Abiding Citizen* is a thriller about a brilliant sociopath who orchestrates a series of high-profile murders that grip the city of Philadelphia - all from inside his jail cell - and the prosecutor assigned to his case who realizes he is the only one who can end the reign of terror. -- Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ -- Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Disney/Marvel Mashup
*Disney acquired Marvel Comics for $4 billion. But how will Marvel's cast of characters react to this move?...* ** ** *animated...* [image: Photobucket] [image: Photobucket] [image: Stan Lee creates Spider-Man] -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Microsoft taps the Family Guy to sell Windows 7
They are just ruining everything lately... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10374323-56.html -- Microsoft on Tuesday plans to announce a deal with News Corp.'s Fox that will see Microsoft sponsoring a TV show that will merge a pitch for Windows 7 http://www.cnet.com/windows-7/ with the comedic stylings of Family Guy voices Seth MacFarlane and Alex Borstein. The show, dubbed Family Guy Presents: Seth Alex's Almost Live Comedy Show, will air Sunday, November 8, at 8:30 p.m. (ET and PT). There won't be any commercial breaks; just Windows 7 built into the story line. MacFarlane In a statement, Microsoft and Fox said they hope to bring the old 'Texaco Star Theater'-style sponsorships into the 21st century. MacFarlane, creator and primary voice of Family Guy, and Borstein, voice of the series' Lois character, teamed with the folks from Microsoft, as well as Redmond's ad agencies--Universal McCann, and Crispin, Porter Bogusky, to create the show. While the way people watch TV has evolved, their desire to be entertained, and marketers' need to deliver compelling content, hasn't changed, the companies said. Microsoft and Fox are joining forces to showcase how the power and simplicity of Windows 7 can enhance the content Fox viewers enjoy most, whether it's comedy, drama, sports, or reality programming on TV or on the Web. Microsoft and Fox also plan to put on a 12-week college tour allowing students to try Windows 7 and tying in outdoor-movie nights hosted by the Stewie and Brian characters of Family Guy. Financial details of Microsoft-Fox partnership were not disclosed. Interestingly, Google had a deal with MacFarlanehttp://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9980226-7.htmla while ago. Windows 7 is set for its big launch next week in New York, and CNET News will be on the ground with plenty of coverage of all the festivities.
Re: [scifinoir2] Disney/Marvel Mashup
ahar...@earthlink.net ROTFL! THESE ARE GREAT! Amy - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:45 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Disney/Marvel Mashup Disney acquired Marvel Comics for $4 billion. But how will Marvel's cast of characters react to this move?... animated... -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.15/2434 - Release Date: 10/13/09 19:11:00
[scifinoir2] Re: Disney/Marvel Mashup
Pretty good except for the people that mashed up Disney and DC characters. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Amy Harlib ahar...@... wrote: ahar...@... ROTFL! THESE ARE GREAT! Amy - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:45 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Disney/Marvel Mashup Disney acquired Marvel Comics for $4 billion. But how will Marvel's cast of characters react to this move?... animated... -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.15/2434 - Release Date: 10/13/09 19:11:00
RE: [scifinoir2] Microsoft taps the Family Guy to sell Windows 7
Evil never sleeps... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:54:27 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft taps the Family Guy to sell Windows 7 They are just ruining everything lately... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10374323-56.html -- Microsoft on Tuesday plans to announce a deal with News Corp.'s Fox that will see Microsoft sponsoring a TV show that will merge a pitch for Windows 7 with the comedic stylings of Family Guy voices Seth MacFarlane and Alex Borstein. The show, dubbed Family Guy Presents: Seth Alex's Almost Live Comedy Show, will air Sunday, November 8, at 8:30 p.m. (ET and PT). There won't be any commercial breaks; just Windows 7 built into the story line. MacFarlane In a statement, Microsoft and Fox said they hope to bring the old 'Texaco Star Theater'-style sponsorships into the 21st century. MacFarlane, creator and primary voice of Family Guy, and Borstein, voice of the series' Lois character, teamed with the folks from Microsoft, as well as Redmond's ad agencies--Universal McCann, and Crispin, Porter Bogusky, to create the show. While the way people watch TV has evolved, their desire to be entertained, and marketers' need to deliver compelling content, hasn't changed, the companies said. Microsoft and Fox are joining forces to showcase how the power and simplicity of Windows 7 can enhance the content Fox viewers enjoy most, whether it's comedy, drama, sports, or reality programming on TV or on the Web. Microsoft and Fox also plan to put on a 12-week college tour allowing students to try Windows 7 and tying in outdoor-movie nights hosted by the Stewie and Brian characters of Family Guy. Financial details of Microsoft-Fox partnership were not disclosed. Interestingly, Google had a deal with MacFarlane a while ago. Windows 7 is set for its big launch next week in New York, and CNET News will be on the ground with plenty of coverage of all the festivities. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Disney/Marvel Mashup
LMNAO @ that!! If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:45:14 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] Disney/Marvel Mashup Disney acquired Marvel Comics for $4 billion. But how will Marvel's cast of characters react to this move?... animated... -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Man Says Boss Carried Out Threat To Fire Him for Voting for Obama
So, they were working that socialist angle even before the President got into office. Poetic justice here will be that this boss gets fired, loses his health-care insurance, then has to be a rabid public-option fan. (I get the feeling that he's on the other side of the card. Just an instinct...) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik CC: afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; bettil...@msn.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; gwashin...@aol.com; jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; killa...@gmail.com; kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; imke...@gmail.com; seriousnup...@yahoo.com; logic1...@aol.com; truthseeker...@icqmail.com; mmb1...@gmail.com; gord...@indiana.edu; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; ravena...@yahoo.com; rs...@yahoo.com; everything...@nyc.rr.com; valeryjea...@yahoo.com; wendellsmit...@gmail.com; sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; beta...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: dar...@darylelockhart.com Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:14:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Says Boss Carried Out Threat To Fire Him for Voting for Obama Yeah, uhm...KK, huh? something tells me the guy's going to win this case. On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Tracey de Morsella wrote: Man Says Boss Carried Out Threat To Fire Him for Voting for ObamaBy JOE HARRIS ShareThis KANSAS CITY, Kan. - A salesman says he was fired for voting for Barack Obama, after his boss sent an email to all employees warning that he would fire them if they dared to do that. He claims Matthew Brandt, the owner of KK Office Solutions, sent the email threat to All Employees on Oct. 29, 2008 warning them to rethink your vote on November 4th. Elliot Snell sued KK Office Solutions in Wyandotte County Court. The email warned that if Obama were elected, all salespeople will have to pool their sales commissions to give underachieving salespeople a fair shake; that hourly employees will pool their wages, including overtime, to help those who are too busy to for overtime; that top management was to be referred to as the government, and would be exempt from pooling because the law doesn't apply to it; and that the last few people hired should clean out their desks. The email, included in the complaint, continued: Don't feel bad though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free food stamps, and he'll let you stay in hour home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage. If you appeal directly to our democratic congress [sic], you might even get a free flat screen TV and a coupon for free haircuts ... It concludes: If for any reason you are not happy with the new policies, you many want to rethink your vote on November 4th, followed by Brandt's signature and title. Snell says he openly supported Obama, and was fired on Nov. 20, 2008, despite acquiring more than $300,000 in accounts during his 6 months with KK Office Solutions. He seeks reinstatement, lost pay and damages of $1.2 million. He is represented by Lawrence Williamson. image001.pnghttp://www.courthousenews.com/2009/10/13/_center_Man_Says_Boss_Carried_Out_Threat_To_Fire_Him_for_Voting_for_Obama_center_.htm Tracey de Morsella, Managing ProducerThe Green Economy Posthttp://greeneconomypost.comtra...@greeneconomypost.com _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft taps the Family Guy to sell Windows 7
I have to agree on that. That never ending lust for money is what is really driving people. Although Bill Gates will give away 3 Billion to charities (and they have given away a lot of money in the past. They are helping to end malaria. ) there is still something that feels tainted about it. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Evil never sleeps... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:54:27 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft taps the Family Guy to sell Windows 7 They are just ruining everything lately... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10374323-56.html -- Microsoft on Tuesday plans to announce a deal with News Corp.'s Fox that will see Microsoft sponsoring a TV show that will merge a pitch for Windows 7 http://www.cnet.com/windows-7/ with the comedic stylings of Family Guy voices Seth MacFarlane and Alex Borstein. The show, dubbed Family Guy Presents: Seth Alex's Almost Live Comedy Show, will air Sunday, November 8, at 8:30 p.m. (ET and PT). There won't be any commercial breaks; just Windows 7 built into the story line. MacFarlane In a statement, Microsoft and Fox said they hope to bring the old 'Texaco Star Theater'-style sponsorships into the 21st century. MacFarlane, creator and primary voice of Family Guy, and Borstein, voice of the series' Lois character, teamed with the folks from Microsoft, as well as Redmond's ad agencies--Universal McCann, and Crispin, Porter Bogusky, to create the show. While the way people watch TV has evolved, their desire to be entertained, and marketers' need to deliver compelling content, hasn't changed, the companies said. Microsoft and Fox are joining forces to showcase how the power and simplicity of Windows 7 can enhance the content Fox viewers enjoy most, whether it's comedy, drama, sports, or reality programming on TV or on the Web. Microsoft and Fox also plan to put on a 12-week college tour allowing students to try Windows 7 and tying in outdoor-movie nights hosted by the Stewie and Brian characters of Family Guy. Financial details of Microsoft-Fox partnership were not disclosed. Interestingly, Google had a deal with MacFarlanehttp://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9980226-7.htmla while ago. Windows 7 is set for its big launch next week in New York, and CNET News will be on the ground with plenty of coverage of all the festivities. -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday
Keith, I get the feeling that Daryle has... *connections*. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:09:18 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday How the heck you seen both films when they're debuting this weekend? Was there a limited release schedule last week? Atlanta is often on the limited release schedule, especially for movies with black stars, but I didn't see anything on it. An advanced screening of each perhaps? - Original Message - From: Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:43:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday I've seen both of these films. Law Abiding Citizen may just be F. Gary Gray's best film to date, and I loved The Italian Job. Black Dynamite is great on so many levels, because the attention to detail, from the music to the editing to costumes, is great. On Oct 12, 2009, at 11:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:Well, well, well, maybe I have two movies to see this weekend: this one and Black Dynamite. LAC appears to be an entertaining action picture. Hey, what's up with Gerard Butler recently that he's getting so many movies? Romantic comedies, thrillers, scifi? He's been everywhere. By the way, I noticed in the trailer that Colm Chief O'Brien Meaney is also starring in this flick. Oh heck, isn't Where the Wild Things Are also debuting this weekend? * http://www.lawabidingcitizenfilm.com/ Law Abiding Citizen is a thriller about a brilliant sociopath who orchestrates a series of high-profile murders that grip the city of Philadelphia - all from inside his jail cell - and the prosecutor assigned to his case who realizes he is the only one who can end the reign of terror. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday
No, I don't, Keith. Michael Caine gave the original a ZIP and ZOOM that Marky mark couldn't hope to deliver. The remake was just a fun ride. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:11:49 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday Do you and Daryl prefer the remake of The Italian Job with Marky Mark and company over the original? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:13:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday I'm impressed at that, Daryle, because I loved The Italian Job as well. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: dar...@darylelockhart.com Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:43:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Law Abiding Citizen Out this Friday I've seen both of these films. Law Abiding Citizen may just be F. Gary Gray's best film to date, and I loved The Italian Job. Black Dynamite is great on so many levels, because the attention to detail, from the music to the editing to costumes, is great. On Oct 12, 2009, at 11:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:Well, well, well, maybe I have two movies to see this weekend: this one and Black Dynamite. LAC appears to be an entertaining action picture. Hey, what's up with Gerard Butler recently that he's getting so many movies? Romantic comedies, thrillers, scifi? He's been everywhere. By the way, I noticed in the trailer that Colm Chief O'Brien Meaney is also starring in this flick. Oh heck, isn't Where the Wild Things Are also debuting this weekend? * http://www.lawabidingcitizenfilm.com/ Law Abiding Citizen is a thriller about a brilliant sociopath who orchestrates a series of high-profile murders that grip the city of Philadelphia - all from inside his jail cell - and the prosecutor assigned to his case who realizes he is the only one who can end the reign of terror. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Brother Terry nears 100K mark in 4 days on Jeopardy
LMNAATWO I remember that one all too well. I'd answered it at home correctly and, when Ken dropped that bomb, the mashed potatoes I was eating became wall decor. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:33:22 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Brother Terry nears 100K mark in 4 days on Jeopardy I hope they don't ask the brother the question that tripped up all-time Jeopardy Champ, Ken Jennings: The clue was in the category Tools: This term for a long-handled garden tool can also be used to refer to an immoral pleasure-seeker. Ken's response: What is a hoe, Alex. In any event, (for his mama's sake) I hope the brother knows the correct answer is rake. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, angelababycat asrobin...@... wrote: Don't know if anyone's a Jeopardy fan, but it's nice to see a brother do well on the show. He'll be back on tomorrow night--looking forward to seeing how long the winning streak lasts! Angela _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Singer Seriously Considering Return to X-Men Movies
Yes, Tracey. He had the look down pat, but not the presence. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:33:25 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Singer Seriously Considering Return to X-Men Movies There is another problem with Superman. I never could put my finger on it, but Brandon Roth, despite being made to order for the part, lacks something. While watching the movie, I never feel like I am watching Superman. Again, another problem with casting From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:12 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Singer Seriously Considering Return to X-Men Movies Agreed on Superman Returns, it looks fantastic. Three scenes stay with me that feel incredibly cool and mythic. One is when Metropolis is shaken by quakes, and Superman is flying through the city. There's a scene where debris falls from the buildings and Supes, having flown past the site, rolls over in mid-flight, still flying *away* from the debris, but sends his heat vision back to incinerate it. I love it when movies showcase flying--whether it's spaceships or superheroes--outside the norm. Earlier is the scene when Clark is floating above Earth, listening to thousands of conversations like some kind of beneficent demigod, then speeding back down when he hears an emergency. And then there's the whole scene with the island Luthor creates. When Luthor stabs Superman with the Green K shard, that was awesome (I much prefer the sinister Luthor to the joking one and which Spacey could have just stayed in the sinister mode, like the animated series Luthor voiced by Clancy Brown). Later, when Supes flies up to the clouds to recharge, then lifts the island to space, while the Green K is killing him, then falls to Earth--that was damn mythic! Singer had so many moments right, and imbued some scenes with powerful emotion. He was just too sentimental in the love story between Lois and Clark, and as you say, the choice for Lois really hurt the movie. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:19:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Singer Seriously Considering Return to X-Men Movies I stop and re-watch the first X-Man movie every time I run across it on cable (ATT Uverse, baby!) and I think the first part of that movie - up until the point where Storm and Cyclops rescue Wolverine and Rogue from Sabertooth and Magneto's minions is some of the finest film making that I have ever seen in super hero movie. That is all Bryan Singer. And, while I will admit the latest superman movie was less filling (especially that child trying to fill Margot Kidder's shoes) but it looked great. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: After the debacles that were X3 and Wolverine: X-Men Origins, I'm not really all that excited about this. Granted, Singer wasn't behind either of those flicks. But you have to feel the studios have big say now (he even says as much in terms of financial clout) and that makes me nervous. Also, after three flicks, I think the excitement of X movies is wearing off me given the choices made in them: Halle Berry as Storm, Ice Man and Rogue too young, key powers changed (Juggernaut, Leech, Callisto), a lackluster Dark Phoenix storyline. The energy and excitement is leaving, and I worry about the ability to make something that's closer to the comics in spirit and less just movie versions. It might be, too, that I'm leery even with Singer returning, because his weak effort in Superman Returns (overly sentimental script, some bad casting) makes me afraid of what he'll bring to a fourth X-Men movie. *** http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i30e7feb16ddb0207ec91e06b9521cbc4?imw=Y Bryan Singer wants more 'X-Men' Director of first two films has discussed return with Fox Associated Press Oct 11, 2009, 09:06 AM ET hr/photos/stylus/61119-singer_bryan_341x182.jpg Bryan Singer is interested in directing another 'X-Men.' (Getty) BUSAN -- Bryan Singer said Sunday he's interested in making another X-Men movie and has discussed the possibility with Twentieth Century Fox. The American director made X-Men and X2: X-Men United, but passed on the third installment so he could make Superman Returns.Rush Hour director Brett Ratner ended up shooting that film, X-Men: The Last Stand. South
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Brother Terry nears 100K mark in 4 days on Jeopardy
Angela, I've only seen one contestant who had anything approaching a plan when it came to betting. (He always bet $42, because he was a rabid HHGTTG fan.) The vast majority usually wing it, unless they know that they have to make a move of a certain amount to get into position to have a chance to get in range. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: asrobin...@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:39:44 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Brother Terry nears 100K mark in 4 days on Jeopardy Then maybe you know how he comes up with these bets. Why didn't he just wager $3001 so he'd be over $100k already? But either way, he already qualifies for the Jeopardy Hall of Fame ($50k+ winners). --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Been rooting for him every night. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: asrobin...@... Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:28:26 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Brother Terry nears 100K mark in 4 days on Jeopardy Don't know if anyone's a Jeopardy fan, but it's nice to see a brother do well on the show. He'll be back on tomorrow night--looking forward to seeing how long the winning streak lasts! Angela __ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Man Says Boss Carried Out Threat To Fire Him for Voting for Obama
Unfortunately true, Mr Worf. If so, there'd be a lot fewer neo-cons out there. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:54:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Says Boss Carried Out Threat To Fire Him for Voting for Obama That would be ironic. Most people don't learn from those experiences though. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: So, they were working that socialist angle even before the President got into office. Poetic justice here will be that this boss gets fired, loses his health-care insurance, then has to be a rabid public-option fan. (I get the feeling that he's on the other side of the card. Just an instinct...) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik CC: afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; bettil...@msn.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; gwashin...@aol.com; jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; killa...@gmail.com; kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; imke...@gmail.com; seriousnup...@yahoo.com; logic1...@aol.com; truthseeker...@icqmail.com; mmb1...@gmail.com; gord...@indiana.edu; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; ravena...@yahoo.com; rs...@yahoo.com; everything...@nyc.rr.com; valeryjea...@yahoo.com; wendellsmit...@gmail.com; sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; beta...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: dar...@darylelockhart.com Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:14:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Says Boss Carried Out Threat To Fire Him for Voting for Obama Yeah, uhm...KK, huh? something tells me the guy's going to win this case. On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Tracey de Morsella wrote: Man Says Boss Carried Out Threat To Fire Him for Voting for Obama By JOE HARRIS ShareThis KANSAS CITY, Kan. - A salesman says he was fired for voting for Barack Obama, after his boss sent an email to all employees warning that he would fire them if they dared to do that. He claims Matthew Brandt, the owner of KK Office Solutions, sent the email threat to All Employees on Oct. 29, 2008 warning them to rethink your vote on November 4th. Elliot Snell sued KK Office Solutions in Wyandotte County Court. The email warned that if Obama were elected, all salespeople will have to pool their sales commissions to give underachieving salespeople a fair shake; that hourly employees will pool their wages, including overtime, to help those who are too busy to for overtime; that top management was to be referred to as the government, and would be exempt from pooling because the law doesn't apply to it; and that the last few people hired should clean out their desks. The email, included in the complaint, continued: Don't feel bad though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free food stamps, and he'll let you stay in hour home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage. If you appeal directly to our democratic congress [sic], you might even get a free flat screen TV and a coupon for free haircuts ... It concludes: If for any reason you are not happy with the new policies, you many want to rethink your vote on November 4th, followed by Brandt's signature and title. Snell says he openly supported Obama, and was fired on Nov. 20, 2008, despite acquiring more than $300,000 in accounts during his 6 months with KK Office Solutions. He seeks reinstatement, lost pay and damages of $1.2 million. He is represented by Lawrence Williamson. image001.png http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/10/13/_center_Man_Says_Boss_Carried_Out_Threat_To_Fire_Him_for_Voting_for_Obama_center_.htm Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer The Green Economy Post http://greeneconomypost.com tra...@greeneconomypost.com Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
RE: [scifinoir2] Microsoft taps the Family Guy to sell Windows 7
Exactly. Nothing the man could ever do in this life could hope to redeem what he's inflicted on the world through Windows. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:53:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft taps the Family Guy to sell Windows 7 I have to agree on that. That never ending lust for money is what is really driving people. Although Bill Gates will give away 3 Billion to charities (and they have given away a lot of money in the past. They are helping to end malaria. ) there is still something that feels tainted about it. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Evil never sleeps... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:54:27 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft taps the Family Guy to sell Windows 7 They are just ruining everything lately... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10374323-56.html -- Microsoft on Tuesday plans to announce a deal with News Corp.'s Fox that will see Microsoft sponsoring a TV show that will merge a pitch for Windows 7 with the comedic stylings of Family Guy voices Seth MacFarlane and Alex Borstein. The show, dubbed Family Guy Presents: Seth Alex's Almost Live Comedy Show, will air Sunday, November 8, at 8:30 p.m. (ET and PT). There won't be any commercial breaks; just Windows 7 built into the story line. MacFarlane In a statement, Microsoft and Fox said they hope to bring the old 'Texaco Star Theater'-style sponsorships into the 21st century. MacFarlane, creator and primary voice of Family Guy, and Borstein, voice of the series' Lois character, teamed with the folks from Microsoft, as well as Redmond's ad agencies--Universal McCann, and Crispin, Porter Bogusky, to create the show. While the way people watch TV has evolved, their desire to be entertained, and marketers' need to deliver compelling content, hasn't changed, the companies said. Microsoft and Fox are joining forces to showcase how the power and simplicity of Windows 7 can enhance the content Fox viewers enjoy most, whether it's comedy, drama, sports, or reality programming on TV or on the Web. Microsoft and Fox also plan to put on a 12-week college tour allowing students to try Windows 7 and tying in outdoor-movie nights hosted by the Stewie and Brian characters of Family Guy. Financial details of Microsoft-Fox partnership were not disclosed. Interestingly, Google had a deal with MacFarlane a while ago. Windows 7 is set for its big launch next week in New York, and CNET News will be on the ground with plenty of coverage of all the festivities. Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft taps the Family Guy to sell Windows 7
I have to agree with you on that. I would also have to add that many of the things that M$ has done to smaller companies that had good ideas was also very wrong. They practiced a policy of if we can't buy the company, steal the idea. Which is why they have had so many lawsuits over the years. One person that will never be laid off in a recession is a M$ lawyer. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Exactly. Nothing the man could ever do in this life could hope to redeem what he's inflicted on the world through Windows. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:53:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft taps the Family Guy to sell Windows 7 I have to agree on that. That never ending lust for money is what is really driving people. Although Bill Gates will give away 3 Billion to charities (and they have given away a lot of money in the past. They are helping to end malaria. ) there is still something that feels tainted about it. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Evil never sleeps... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:54:27 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft taps the Family Guy to sell Windows 7 They are just ruining everything lately... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10374323-56.html -- Microsoft on Tuesday plans to announce a deal with News Corp.'s Fox that will see Microsoft sponsoring a TV show that will merge a pitch for Windows 7 http://www.cnet.com/windows-7/ with the comedic stylings of Family Guy voices Seth MacFarlane and Alex Borstein. The show, dubbed Family Guy Presents: Seth Alex's Almost Live Comedy Show, will air Sunday, November 8, at 8:30 p.m. (ET and PT). There won't be any commercial breaks; just Windows 7 built into the story line. MacFarlane In a statement, Microsoft and Fox said they hope to bring the old 'Texaco Star Theater'-style sponsorships into the 21st century. MacFarlane, creator and primary voice of Family Guy, and Borstein, voice of the series' Lois character, teamed with the folks from Microsoft, as well as Redmond's ad agencies--Universal McCann, and Crispin, Porter Bogusky, to create the show. While the way people watch TV has evolved, their desire to be entertained, and marketers' need to deliver compelling content, hasn't changed, the companies said. Microsoft and Fox are joining forces to showcase how the power and simplicity of Windows 7 can enhance the content Fox viewers enjoy most, whether it's comedy, drama, sports, or reality programming on TV or on the Web. Microsoft and Fox also plan to put on a 12-week college tour allowing students to try Windows 7 and tying in outdoor-movie nights hosted by the Stewie and Brian characters of Family Guy. Financial details of Microsoft-Fox partnership were not disclosed. Interestingly, Google had a deal with MacFarlanehttp://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9980226-7.htmla while ago. Windows 7 is set for its big launch next week in New York, and CNET News will be on the ground with plenty of coverage of all the festivities. -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: And The Stepfather Remake too?!
The original was a definitely an underrated gem. I like Dylan Walsh but it looks like he's doing an imitation of Terry O'Quinn. Not that it's a bad thing. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I hear ya! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:28:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] And The Stepfather Remake too?! Â Keith, not if you paid my ISP bill for a year. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:51:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] And The Stepfather Remake too?! Â Not too sure how I feel about this one. The original one--starring Lost/X-Files/Millennium alum Terry O'Quinn--was an understated, slow-paced creepy thriller. One wonders if the creators of this one can or will capture that same feeling of suspense, or just go with the modern trend of throwing as much over-the-top action and blood at the audience as possible. I wonder how the star --from Nip/Tuck will play in the lead? O'Quinn was really creepy. I will say, it's got Sela Ward, and I respect her as an actress--not to mention I could watch her all day long! Anyone going to see this remake? I think this is out this weekend too, along with Black Dynamite, Law Abiding Citizen, and Where the Wild Things Are. Lots to chose from... Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: And The Stepfather Remake too?!
I think it's one of the movies where you ask, why is a remake needed? It's not so incredibly old that major things have changed. Sometimes remakes might--*might*--be justified if social, technological, or political realities have changed. sometimes women and people of color get expanded roles, sometimes the FX and background science gets updated and improved (such as in The Fly or The Thing). Sometimes times have just changed and you want to show people in modern clothing, using modern devices. And perhaps, sometimes it's even okay to up the blood/violence quotient a bit (again, The Fly and The Thing) But even then a remake isn't always needed. It's a tough call. Sometimes you just need to leave well enough alone, unless you are coming in with a superior script and actors who'll improve on the original. If the only reason to do a remake is solely to throw more violence, sex, blood, or gadgets at the story, it usually fails. - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:50:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: And The Stepfather Remake too?! The original was a definitely an underrated gem. I like Dylan Walsh but it looks like he's doing an imitation of Terry O'Quinn. Not that it's a bad thing. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I hear ya! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:28:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] And The Stepfather Remake too?! Â Keith, not if you paid my ISP bill for a year. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:51:42 + Subject: [scifinoir2] And The Stepfather Remake too?! Â Not too sure how I feel about this one. The original one--starring Lost/X-Files/Millennium alum Terry O'Quinn--was an understated, slow-paced creepy thriller. One wonders if the creators of this one can or will capture that same feeling of suspense, or just go with the modern trend of throwing as much over-the-top action and blood at the audience as possible. I wonder how the star --from Nip/Tuck will play in the lead? O'Quinn was really creepy. I will say, it's got Sela Ward, and I respect her as an actress--not to mention I could watch her all day long! Anyone going to see this remake? I think this is out this weekend too, along with Black Dynamite, Law Abiding Citizen, and Where the Wild Things Are. Lots to chose from... Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
[scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a model in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net posted the image online, and lawyers for Ralph Lauren attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. Unfortunately for Ralph Lauren, this only furthered public interest and outrage over the dangerously thin looking model and, eventually, the clothing company released this apology: For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately. Unfortunately,addressing the problem may have included firing the model, 23-year-old Filippa Hamilton. She is 5'10 and weighs 120 pounds--clearly more full-bodied than the photoshopped girl we see in the advertisement. Though Hamilton has modeled for Ralph Lauren since she was 15, the company let her go as a result of her inability to meet the obligations under her contract with us. But the story gets worse: Hamilton says she was let go because she'd become too fat to model for them. They fired me because they said I was overweight and I couldn't fit in their clothes anymore, she explained. I was shocked to see that super skinny girl with my face...It's very sad, I think, that Ralph Lauren could do something like that. Filippa Hamilton in a past Ralph Lauren ad Filippa Hamilton in a past Ralph Lauren ad Most of us know that a tall, young woman who weighs 120 pounds is not overweight. But Hamilton claims Ralph Lauren was dissatisfied with her body, and therefore fired her six months ago. However, the company continued to use her image, whittling down her arms, waist, thighs, and possibly several other body parts in the above ad. If they were so unhappy with how she looked, why not get another model for the campaign? Why use the photos and alter and distort them? Today, Ralph Lauren himself is distancing himself from the ad, claiming, The image in question was mistakenly released and used in a department store in Japan and was not the approved image which ran in the U.S. So we're confused. They say the photoshopping was an error, that Hamilton is beautiful and healthy, yet they allegedly fired her for her size? With all these apologies and statements it sounds like the brand still has yet to accept responsibility for their actions. Hamilton in Italian Elle Hamilton in Italian Elle Hamilton in French Vogue Hamilton in French Vogue When I searched for more images of Filippa Hamilton, I instantly remembered her—she was the face of Ralph Lauren's fragrance, Romance, has been featured on the cover of international editions of Vogue and Elle, and has appeared in many ads. She's a gorgeous woman. I think they [Ralph Lauren] owe American women an apology, a big apology, says Hamilton. I'm very proud of what I look like, and I think a role model should look healthy. The truth is,
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
I think the word needs to get out that all these images ARE photoshopped and that no REAL woman looks like that. A year or so ago Kate Winslet took Esquire to task for photoshopping her photograph and recently Kelly Clarkson was photoshopped on the cover of a woman's magazine. Clarkson showed up on The View substantially larger than she appeared on the magazine cover - unashamed and unapologetic - and I thought that was a good thing. She showed she was real sized in the same time frame as she was appearing photoshopped on the magazine. Meanwhile, for something completely different, here is Karl Lagerfield defending size zero models: http://eepheex.notlong.com ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a model in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net posted the image online, and lawyers for Ralph Lauren attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. Unfortunately for Ralph Lauren, this only furthered public interest and outrage over the dangerously thin looking model and, eventually, the clothing company released this apology: For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately. Unfortunately,addressing the problem may have included firing the model, 23-year-old Filippa Hamilton. She is 5'10 and weighs 120 pounds--clearly more full-bodied than the photoshopped girl we see in the advertisement. Though Hamilton has modeled for Ralph Lauren since she was 15, the company let her go as a result of her inability to meet the obligations under her contract with us. But the story gets worse: Hamilton says she was let go because she'd become too fat to model for them. They fired me because they said I was overweight and I couldn't fit in their clothes anymore, she explained. I was shocked to see that super skinny girl with my face...It's very sad, I think, that Ralph Lauren could do something like that. Filippa Hamilton in a past Ralph Lauren ad Filippa Hamilton in a past Ralph Lauren ad Most of us know that a tall, young woman who weighs 120 pounds is not overweight. But Hamilton claims Ralph Lauren was dissatisfied with her body, and therefore fired her six months ago. However, the company continued to use her image, whittling down her arms, waist, thighs, and possibly several other body parts in the above ad. If they were so unhappy with how she looked, why not get another model for the campaign? Why use the photos and alter and distort them? Today, Ralph Lauren himself is distancing himself from the ad, claiming, The image in question was mistakenly released and used in a department store in Japan and was not the approved image which ran
RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
As a former model, this disgusts me. When people ask me how to get their kids in the industry, I tell them, but tell them the ugly side with the hope that they will opt not to get their children involved. While my daughter has the looks, she does not take instruction well. Can’t figure out where she gets her stubbornness “she says scratching her head” I’m glad in a way because it prevents me from being tempted to take the showbiz mom route. What they do to these kids and women is horrible. What is more disturbing to me is that there are men that prefer the Alli Mc Beal types. That does not help matters From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:22 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com http://a323.yahoofs.com/phugc/vu7vD17UuinS/photos/597ce10efef7ea981abcc5e023c89874/mr_b5fda2fd46300c.jpg?ug_D.b5bBnGG photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph http://shine.yahoo.com/event/fallbeauty/image-of-ultra-thin-ralph-lauren-model-sparks-outrage-521480/ Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a model in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net posted the image online, and lawyers for Ralph Lauren attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. Unfortunately for Ralph Lauren, this only furthered public interest and outrage over the dangerously thin looking model and, eventually, the clothing company released this apology: For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately. Unfortunately,addressing the problem may have included firing the model, 23-year-old Filippa Hamilton. She is 5'10 and weighs 120 pounds--clearly more full-bodied than the photoshopped girl we see in the advertisement. Though Hamilton has modeled for Ralph Lauren since she was 15, the company let her go as a result of her inability to meet the obligations under her contract with us. But the story gets worse: Hamilton says she was let go because she'd become too fat to model for them. They fired me because they said I was overweight and I couldn't fit in their clothes anymore, she explained. I was shocked to see that super skinny girl with my face...It's very sad, I think, that Ralph Lauren could do something like that. Filippa Hamilton in a past Ralph Lauren ad http://a323.yahoofs.com/phugc/QnN_NrSbXFLk/photos/434d36deb4d4d3a146f7af8eb1e62295/mr_83d94ea74bc024.jpg?ug_D_al.SAiq Filippa Hamilton in a past Ralph Lauren ad Most of us know that a tall, young woman who weighs 120 pounds is not overweight. But Hamilton claims Ralph Lauren was dissatisfied with her body, and therefore fired her six months ago. However, the company continued to use her image, whittling down her arms,
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? [image: photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com] photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a modelhttp://shine.yahoo.com/event/fallbeauty/image-of-ultra-thin-ralph-lauren-model-sparks-outrage-521480/in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net posted the image online, and lawyers for Ralph Lauren attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. Unfortunately for Ralph Lauren, this only furthered public interest and outrage over the dangerously thin looking model and, eventually, the clothing company released this apology: For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately. Unfortunately,addressing the problem may have included firing the model, 23-year-old Filippa Hamilton. She is 5'10 and weighs 120 pounds--clearly more full-bodied than the photoshopped girl we see in the advertisement. Though Hamilton has modeled for Ralph Lauren since she was 15, the company let her go as a result of her inability to meet the obligations under her contract with us. But the story gets worse: Hamilton says she was let go because she'd become too fat to model for them. They fired me because they said I was overweight and I couldn't fit in their clothes anymore, she explained. I was shocked to see that super skinny girl with my face...It's very sad, I think, that Ralph Lauren could do something like that. [image: Filippa Hamilton in a past Ralph Lauren ad] Filippa Hamilton in a past Ralph Lauren ad Most of us know that a tall, young woman who weighs 120 pounds is not overweight. But Hamilton claims Ralph Lauren was dissatisfied with her body, and therefore fired her six months ago. However, the company continued to use her image, whittling down her arms, waist, thighs, and possibly several other body parts in the above ad. If they were so unhappy with how she looked, why not get another model for the campaign? Why use the photos and alter and distort them? Today, Ralph Lauren
[scifinoir2] Doll? When you're first lady, it's an action figure
http://eahike.notlong.com Michelle Obama action figures: White House has no comment Michelle Obama action figures are slated to go on sale Nov. 20. Coming soon: a 6-inch plastic doll of Michelle Obama for $12.99, being billed as an action figure. Sculptor Jason Feinberg of Brooklyn, N.Y., who's behind the dolls, admits the term action figure is used loosely. The first lady, after all, is featured in nothing more lethal than her trademark sleeveless dresses (and enviable biceps). Buyers may choose from among the purple dress she had on when the Obamas shared their campaign fist bump, the red-and-black number from election night in Grant Park, or the black-and-white floral frock she favored for her appearance on The View. Feinberg, founder and president of Jailbreak Toys, said he designed the dolls, which are made in China. He studied sculpture at Connecticut's Wesleyan University. Michelle Obama's office had no comment on the action figure, which is scheduled to go on sale Nov. 20. Public figures, especially those in politics, have fewer rights than average people when it comes to protecting use of their name or likeness, says Chicago attorney Marc Cooperman of Banner Witcoff, an intellectual property firm. Courts generally hold they may be caricatured or criticized, he said. The First Amendment is almost always going to win. That's the beauty of the American system. The doll's creator is in fact an Obama fan. I'm hook, line and sinker for the Obamas, Feinberg says, so I don't want to be a thorn in their side. He says sales of an earlier Jailbreak Toys offering, the Barack Obama action figure, have reached 200,000 and it's still selling.
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
Not to mention there has been significant size fudging over the years. Allegedly Marilyn Monroe was a size 12 in the late fifties and sixties but when they held up the iconic dress she wore in The Seven-Year Itch in front of a normal sized woman it appeared Miss Monroe was actually what would be considered a size 6 today. For instance, Nancy Reagan is a actual size zero and she looks like Skeletor. ~ (no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@...wrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? [image: photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com] photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a modelhttp://shine.yahoo.com/event/fallbeauty/image-of-ultra-thin-ralph-lauren-model-sparks-outrage-521480/in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net posted the image online, and lawyers for Ralph Lauren attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. Unfortunately for Ralph Lauren, this only furthered public interest and outrage over the dangerously thin looking model and, eventually, the clothing company released this apology: For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately. Unfortunately,addressing the problem may have included firing the model, 23-year-old Filippa Hamilton. She is 5'10 and weighs 120 pounds--clearly more full-bodied than the photoshopped girl we see in the advertisement. Though Hamilton has modeled for Ralph Lauren since she was 15, the company let her go as a result of her inability to meet the obligations under her contract with us. But the story gets worse: Hamilton says she was let go because she'd become too fat to model for them. They fired me because they said I was overweight and I couldn't fit in their clothes anymore, she explained. I was shocked to see that super skinny girl with my face...It's very sad, I think, that Ralph Lauren could do something like that. [image: Filippa
RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
Here something weird, I was 115 at 5'7' for years when I modeled back in the day. I attracted guys, but not that much-unless I had my makeup articles, and hair stylist on hand, which was not often J. I quit modeling and over the years I gained until I I was about 135 - 140. I thought I was fat, but guys started stopping me on the street and trying to get my attention. I very odd experience. Something is definitively wrong. Guys like that monster Lagerfeld, should not be defining female beauty From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-mode l-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com http://a323.yahoofs.com/phugc/vu7vD17UuinS/photos/597ce10efef7ea981abcc5e02 3c89874/mr_b5fda2fd46300c.jpg?ug_D.b5bBnGG photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an http://shine.yahoo.com/event/fallbeauty/image-of-ultra-thin-ralph-lauren-mo del-sparks-outrage-521480/ extremely altered photo of a model in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net posted the image online, and lawyers for Ralph Lauren attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. Unfortunately for Ralph Lauren, this only furthered public interest and outrage over the dangerously thin looking model and, eventually, the clothing company released this apology: For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately. Unfortunately,addressing the problem may have included firing the model, 23-year-old Filippa Hamilton. She is 5'10 and weighs 120 pounds--clearly more full-bodied than the photoshopped girl we see in the advertisement. Though Hamilton has modeled for Ralph Lauren since she was 15, the company let her go as a result of her inability to meet the obligations under her contract with us. But the story gets worse: Hamilton says she was let go because she'd
[scifinoir2] 36% of Twitter and Facebook users younger than 35 post updates after sex
From the Chicago Tribune: 36% of Twitter and Facebook users younger than 35 post updates after sex, according to a study by consumer electronics Web site http://retrivo.com The study also found that men are twice as like to file post coital updates and that IPhone users are three times more likely to do so than are their Blackberry counterparts. Not surprising; everybody knows Blackberry users are cuddlers.
[scifinoir2] 36% of Twitter and Facebook post updates after sex
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: From the Chicago Tribune: 36% of Twitter and Facebook users younger than 35 post updates after sex, according to a study by consumer electronics Web site http://retrivo.com The study also found that men are twice as like to file post coital updates and that IPhone users are three times more likely to do so than are their Blackberry counterparts. Not surprising; everybody knows Blackberry users are cuddlers.
[scifinoir2] Alternative Nobel winners named
http://www.rightlivelihood.org/ http://keiyait.notlong.com chicagotribune.com 'Alternative Nobel' winners named Associated Press October 14, 2009 STOCKHOLM -- Two activists and a doctor on Tuesday won the Right Livelihood Award, also known as the alternative Nobel, for work to protect rain forests, improve women's health and rid the world of nuclear weapons. Rene Ngongo of Congo, Alyn Ware of New Zealand and Australian-born Catherine Hamlin each will receive $74,000, the Right Livelihood Foundation said. The honorary part of the award, without money, went to Canadian David Suzuki, 73, for raising awareness of climate change. Swedish-German philanthropist Jakob von Uexkull founded the awards in 1980 to recognize work he felt was being ignored by the Nobel Prizes. Ngongo, 48, was honored for his courage in confronting the forces that are destroying Congo's rain forests. Ware, a peace activist from New Zealand, was recognized for initiatives over two decades to further peace education and to rid the world of nuclear weapons. Hamlin, 85, moved to Ethiopia from Australia in 1959 to work as an obstetrician and gynecologist, founding a free women's hospital. The awards will be presented in a ceremony at the Swedish Parliament on Dec. 4.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
Real men like curves. This sounds extremely homophobic but, most of the guys that do fashion like boys so I think it comes out subconsciously in their model choices. You choose what is attractive to you. So often they pick models that are completely featureless. This has been more apparent when you compare models of 20 years ago to the super skinny ones today. For example, Christie Brinkley, or Beverly Johnson would probably be considered too fat and too pretty now. (depending on which part of the world it is.) On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Here something weird, I was 115 at 5’7’ for years when I modeled back in the day. I attracted guys, but not that much—unless I had my makeup articles, and hair stylist on hand, which was not often J. I quit modeling and over the years I gained until I I was about 135 – 140. I thought I was fat, but guys started stopping me on the street and trying to get my attention. I very odd experience. Something is definitively wrong. Guys like that monster Lagerfeld, should not be defining female beauty *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Adrianne Brennan *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:21 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? [image: photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com] photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a modelhttp://shine.yahoo.com/event/fallbeauty/image-of-ultra-thin-ralph-lauren-model-sparks-outrage-521480/in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net posted the image online, and lawyers for Ralph Lauren attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. Unfortunately for Ralph Lauren, this only furthered public interest and outrage over the dangerously thin looking model and, eventually, the clothing company released this apology: For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
I agree, it seems to be an ugly industry. How did you survive it? I just find the change in desire of body types interesting. Back in the 50s and 60s, it was much more curvy women that were desired (at least, by certain groups' standards). I remember watching those corny beach movies with Frankie Avalon just so I could sneak a peek at Annette Funicello. She'd be considered overweight nowadays. And Sophia Loren? They'd have her on a restrictive diet so fast her head would spend. My wife tells me that Jennifer Aniston was ordered to lose weight when she was on Friends. Note that all the women on that show got significantly thinner over the years. As I was reading your response earlier, i was watching the new ABC sitcom Modern Family. Not only is it for my money the best new show of the season (hilarious!), but one of the stars is Sofia Vergara. Staring at--er, watching--her, I can't imagine how anyone could prefer a pencil thin model! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:05:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? As a former model, this disgusts me. When people ask me how to get their kids in the industry, I tell them, but tell them the ugly side with the hope that they will opt not to get their children involved. While my daughter has the looks, she does not take instruction well. Can’t figure out where she gets her stubbornness “she says scratching her head” I’m glad in a way because it prevents me from being tempted to take the showbiz mom route. What they do to these kids and women is horrible. What is more disturbing to me is that there are men that prefer the Alli Mc Beal types. That does not help matters From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:22 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a model in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net posted the image online, and lawyers for Ralph Lauren attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. Unfortunately for Ralph Lauren, this only furthered public interest and outrage over the dangerously thin looking model and, eventually, the clothing company released this apology: For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our brand appropriately. Unfortunately,addressing the problem may have included firing the model, 23-year-old Filippa Hamilton. She is 5'10 and weighs 120 pounds--clearly more full-bodied than the
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My wife says the same thing about a little weight going a long way. She's only 5'1, and often complains I don't get it because I'm 6'1--and a man. The funny thing is, this model looks better to me in shots where she's obviously gained a bit of weight over older shots. And to your point, I just see it as her getting back up to slim, not even close to fat. A couple of years ago I read an article about Scarlett Johannsen in one of my wife's magazines. The writer--a man--said that she was a pretty woman, and then added she works with her size. There were other words, but the guy's point was obviously that she was borderline too big. I remember being surprised. I'm still not sure how the desired female body type in America changed. When I was a kid it was those curvy women I mentioned. Sure, people liked Twiggy, Mary Tyler Moore in her capri pants was a cool thing. But men and women also sang the praises of the likes of Marilyn Monroe. Now it's weird. Maybe it's slowly changing back? At least, I've noticed that brunette actresses and models seem to be making a resurgence, so maybe the fuller figured women will come back too? - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:21:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a model in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net posted the image online, and lawyers for Ralph Lauren attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. Unfortunately for Ralph Lauren, this only furthered public interest and outrage over the dangerously thin looking model and, eventually, the clothing company released this apology: For over 42 years we have built a brand based on quality and integrity. After further investigation, we have learned that we are responsible for the poor imaging and retouching that resulted in a very distorted image of a woman's body. We have addressed the problem and going forward will take every precaution to ensure that the caliber of our artwork represents our
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That won't happen because the super thin women is ingrained into the minds of the people that control the industry. So what was considered thin is the new fat, and what was healthy is now the new obese. I am glad that there was a little bit of sanity that stopped people from going over the edge though. When people like Allie MacBeal and had to be hospitalized people said ok, that is too skinny! Skeletor's girlfriend or something. Waking death just isn't cute or sexy. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: My wife says the same thing about a little weight going a long way. She's only 5'1, and often complains I don't get it because I'm 6'1--and a man. The funny thing is, this model looks better to me in shots where she's obviously gained a bit of weight over older shots. And to your point, I just see it as her getting back up to slim, not even close to fat. A couple of years ago I read an article about Scarlett Johannsen in one of my wife's magazines. The writer--a man--said that she was a pretty woman, and then added she works with her size. There were other words, but the guy's point was obviously that she was borderline too big. I remember being surprised. I'm still not sure how the desired female body type in America changed. When I was a kid it was those curvy women I mentioned. Sure, people liked Twiggy, Mary Tyler Moore in her capri pants was a cool thing. But men and women also sang the praises of the likes of Marilyn Monroe. Now it's weird. Maybe it's slowly changing back? At least, I've noticed that brunette actresses and models seem to be making a resurgence, so maybe the fuller figured women will come back too? - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:21:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? [image: photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com] photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a modelhttp://shine.yahoo.com/event/fallbeauty/image-of-ultra-thin-ralph-lauren-model-sparks-outrage-521480/in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website BoingBoing.net
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I worked as a stylist on the set a few times, as well as a model. The clothes do lay easier on a thinner model than a normal sized model, but the whole photographing process is about illusion, NOT reality. The purpose is to sell a lie. It is easier to make cheap poorly constructed clothes look better on them. I used to model in those clothing catalogs. The clothes fit horribly on all of us. BUT the stylist comes to the set with clothes pins and needles and makes them formfitting. Then they contort us in specific poses to make the clothes look better. Then the photographer does his thing with lighting and shadows……and the next thing you know, we look perfect and women are wondering why the clothes look better on us then them. The reality is we didn’t.It is false advertising. This illusion works on everyone, but best on the real skinny models IMO. Ironically, I was considered a little voluptuous at 115 and 34B at the time. Because of that, I got work doing bathing suits, Calvin Kline underwear and lingerie. I look at old pictures now, I while I do not see skinny, I do see slender… NOT voluptuous. I never got into the serious diet thing and I used to beat myself up for it. Looking back, I am relieved. Now on a separate issue, if you go on the boards sometimes like on imdb and you see the commentary by men about the female stars, I significant number like that skinny look. Why is Brad with Angelina, Harrison with Calista and a host of others. It is a specific taste that some straight men have. I’ve seen guys call women I think are hot, fat. On that note, they are not men I want anything to do with, nor do I want my daughter near them. Supposedly, these guys are straight. I do not know, if they have a daddy thing going on, it makes them feel my potent and stronger, or what, but there are men who like that. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:42 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Real men like curves. This sounds extremely homophobic but, most of the guys that do fashion like boys so I think it comes out subconsciously in their model choices. You choose what is attractive to you. So often they pick models that are completely featureless. This has been more apparent when you compare models of 20 years ago to the super skinny ones today. For example, Christie Brinkley, or Beverly Johnson would probably be considered too fat and too pretty now. (depending on which part of the world it is.) On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Here something weird, I was 115 at 5’7’ for years when I modeled back in the day. I attracted guys, but not that much—unless I had my makeup articles, and hair stylist on hand, which was not often J. I quit modeling and over the years I gained until I I was about 135 – 140. I thought I was fat, but guys started stopping me on the street and trying to get my attention. I very odd experience. Something is definitively wrong. Guys like that monster Lagerfeld, should not be defining female beauty From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's
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Tracey, I'm not surprised at all. Just out of curiosity, was the attention you started getting more from black, Latino, or white guys? I'm always fascinated at how men of different cultures and ethnicities view beauty. The old wisdom was that black and Latino men definitely tend to prefer curvier women. That is by no means the truth all the time, but I just wonder. I notice that when my wife and I are out (she's very curvy, and would kill me for saying that!) she gets more looks from black and Mexican men. Quite a few from white men, but not as much. Almost always from European guys--at least, I've caught a few Spaniards and Italians trying to mack her in the diary case while I was around the corner. The sad thing is, it's not even about slim or thin women not being attractive. Beauty comes in all sizes, and slim women can be as beautiful as anyone else. Charlize Theron is very slim, and gorgeous. Same for Rosalyn Sanchez, Terry Ferrell (Dax from DS9). It's just the push to make dangerously thin women the standard of beauty in the fashion and movie industries that bothers me. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:44:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Here something weird, I was 115 at 5’7’ for years when I modeled back in the day. I attracted guys, but not that much—unless I had my makeup articles, and hair stylist on hand, which was not often J . I quit modeling and over the years I gained until I I was about 135 – 140. I thought I was fat, but guys started stopping me on the street and trying to get my attention. I very odd experience. Something is definitively wrong. Guys like that monster Lagerfeld, should not be defining female beauty From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to
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Funny thing, i was listening to an interview with Beverly Johnson on NPR's Tell Me More recently. It was the anniversary of her breakthrough appearance on the cover of Vogue. Johnson has a daughter who's a plus-sized model, and wholeheartedly supports her. Yet in the same interview she said The main fashion industry likes slimmer woman, because I'm sorry, clothes just look better on slim women. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:41:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Real men like curves. This sounds extremely homophobic but, most of the guys that do fashion like boys so I think it comes out subconsciously in their model choices. You choose what is attractive to you. So often they pick models that are completely featureless. This has been more apparent when you compare models of 20 years ago to the super skinny ones today. For example, Christie Brinkley, or Beverly Johnson would probably be considered too fat and too pretty now. (depending on which part of the world it is.) On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Here something weird, I was 115 at 5’7’ for years when I modeled back in the day. I attracted guys, but not that much—unless I had my makeup articles, and hair stylist on hand, which was not often J . I quit modeling and over the years I gained until I I was about 135 – 140. I thought I was fat, but guys started stopping me on the street and trying to get my attention. I very odd experience. Something is definitively wrong. Guys like that monster Lagerfeld, should not be defining female beauty From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the Queen Latifah's of the world notwithstanding) As a black man over 40, raised to think a good body was represented by the likes of Nichele Nichols, Chaka Khan, Pam Grier, Sophia Loren, or Racquel Welch, i guess I'll never understand how voluptuous can either be a dirty word, or applied to someone as relatively slim as Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer. I do know it must be crazy to be a woman trying to survive in the fashion or movie industries as long as this skewed view of beauty persists. No wonder so many models are anorexic and addicted to amphetamines! Remember back when TV Guide grafted Oprah Winfrey's head onto Ann Margaret's body? Man, do we ever see anyone as they really are anymore? ** http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/was-the-photoshopped-ralph-lauren-model-fired-for-being-overweight-525248/ Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com Last week Ralph Lauren came under fire for (what looked to be) an extremely altered photo of a model in one of its ads. Bloggers at the website
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Wow, you need to write some memoirs! I didn't know all this! Not to get racial here--and apologies to my white brothers (to co-opt Cornell West), but I notice more white men who go for the look of Angelina Jolie, Jennifer Anniston, Paris Hilton, etc. I know very few black or Latino men--even younger ones--who say they prefer really thin women. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:37:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? I worked as a stylist on the set a few times, as well as a model. The clothes do lay easier on a thinner model than a normal sized model, but the whole photographing process is about illusion, NOT reality. The purpose is to sell a lie. It is easier to make cheap poorly constructed clothes look better on them. I used to model in those clothing catalogs. The clothes fit horribly on all of us. BUT the stylist comes to the set with clothes pins and needles and makes them formfitting. Then they contort us in specific poses to make the clothes look better. Then the photographer does his thing with lighting and shadows……and the next thing you know, we look perfect and women are wondering why the clothes look better on us then them. The reality is we didn’t. It is false advertising. This illusion works on everyone, but best on the real skinny models IMO. Ironically, I was considered a little voluptuous at 115 and 34B at the time. Because of that, I got work doing bathing suits, Calvin Kline underwear and lingerie. I look at old pictures now, I while I do not see skinny, I do see slender… NOT voluptuous. I never got into the serious diet thing and I used to beat myself up for it. Looking back, I am relieved. Now on a separate issue, if you go on the boards sometimes like on imdb and you see the commentary by men about the female stars, I significant number like that skinny look. Why is Brad with Angelina, Harrison with Calista and a host of others. It is a specific taste that some straight men have. I’ve seen guys call women I think are hot, fat. On that note, they are not men I want anything to do with, nor do I want my daughter near them. Supposedly, these guys are straight. I do not know, if they have a daddy thing going on, it makes them feel my potent and stronger, or what, but there are men who like that. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:42 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Real men like curves. This sounds extremely homophobic but, most of the guys that do fashion like boys so I think it comes out subconsciously in their model choices. You choose what is attractive to you. So often they pick models that are completely featureless. This has been more apparent when you compare models of 20 years ago to the super skinny ones today. For example, Christie Brinkley, or Beverly Johnson would probably be considered too fat and too pretty now. (depending on which part of the world it is.) On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Here something weird, I was 115 at 5’7’ for years when I modeled back in the day. I attracted guys, but not that much—unless I had my makeup articles, and hair stylist on hand, which was not often J . I quit modeling and over the years I gained until I I was about 135 – 140. I thought I was fat, but guys started stopping me on the street and trying to get my attention. I very odd experience. Something is definitively wrong. Guys like that monster Lagerfeld, should not be defining female beauty From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the
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Sometimes it depends on the guy that you hear the comments from. For example, Howard Stern (remember him? He seems to slowly disappearing) was a big critic. He would do beauty contests and weigh women on his show. Most were average weight, others he would tell them that they would look hotter if they lost 20lbs. Most of the time I found his comments off base, but for modeling that would be the norm. BBC America did a show on seeking size 0. They hired two female reporters that were already small to try to loose weight down to a size 0. I won't give it away but it is very interesting. Check it out if you have the opportunity. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I worked as a stylist on the set a few times, as well as a model. The clothes do lay easier on a thinner model than a normal sized model, but the whole photographing process is about illusion, NOT reality. The purpose is to sell a lie. It is easier to make cheap poorly constructed clothes look better on them. I used to model in those clothing catalogs. The clothes fit horribly on all of us. BUT the stylist comes to the set with clothes pins and needles and makes them formfitting. Then they contort us in specific poses to make the clothes look better. Then the photographer does his thing with lighting and shadows……and the next thing you know, we look perfect and women are wondering why the clothes look better on us then them. The reality is we didn’t.It is false advertising. This illusion works on everyone, but best on the real skinny models IMO. Ironically, I was considered a little voluptuous at 115 and 34B at the time. Because of that, I got work doing bathing suits, Calvin Kline underwear and lingerie. I look at old pictures now, I while I do not see skinny, I do see slender… NOT voluptuous. I never got into the serious diet thing and I used to beat myself up for it. Looking back, I am relieved. Now on a separate issue, if you go on the boards sometimes like on imdb and you see the commentary by men about the female stars, I significant number like that skinny look. Why is Brad with Angelina, Harrison with Calista and a host of others. It is a specific taste that some straight men have. I’ve seen guys call women I think are hot, fat. On that note, they are not men I want anything to do with, nor do I want my daughter near them. Supposedly, these guys are straight. I do not know, if they have a daddy thing going on, it makes them feel my potent and stronger, or what, but there are men who like that. *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:42 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Real men like curves. This sounds extremely homophobic but, most of the guys that do fashion like boys so I think it comes out subconsciously in their model choices. You choose what is attractive to you. So often they pick models that are completely featureless. This has been more apparent when you compare models of 20 years ago to the super skinny ones today. For example, Christie Brinkley, or Beverly Johnson would probably be considered too fat and too pretty now. (depending on which part of the world it is.) On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Here something weird, I was 115 at 5’7’ for years when I modeled back in the day. I attracted guys, but not that much—unless I had my makeup articles, and hair stylist on hand, which was not often J. I quit modeling and over the years I gained until I I was about 135 – 140. I thought I was fat, but guys started stopping me on the street and trying to get my attention. I very odd experience. Something is definitively wrong. Guys like that monster Lagerfeld, should not be defining female beauty *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Adrianne Brennan *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:21 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in
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MY DAD! He hated that I went into it, but unlike my mom, who disowned me for it, and inadvertently, pushed me back in to it when I was about to give it up.He was smart, by supporting me and being my advocate, along with the fact that I looked like jail bait, he was able to protect me. At 18, when I pulled out my NYC map, and told my father I was taking the train from philly to nyc to do the interviews with the big agencies, instead of saying, no, he drove me up there and sat in the car as I went from agency to agency that whole first day. From then on, I was required to give him my go-see or photoshoot schedule everyday and call him at designated times. He encouraged me to tell the people I met with that I had to call him and ask to use their phones . I commuted to NY from Philly for the first few years. He had me call him every morning from the train station when I arrived in NY and I had to called him to let him know what train I was getting on when I was coming home Another reason, I think I survived was because, I do not think I wanted it bad enough. I wanted to show my mother that she couldn’t control me more that I wanted to be famous. Deep down, I wanted to be like her and own my own business. So, when it came time to do the casting couch thing, either the men having a fear of my Dad, who I had to check in with several times a day, or the threat of not being a star not working, or me not needing a father figure, probably caused me to blow a huge number of casting couch “opportunities.” All my friends had boyfriends who “kept” them, I had boyfriends who could barely afford their car, or had to get to class. I dated guys they were real smart and I liked them in my own age group. So, my boyfriends tended not to be rich like most models. They tended to be geeks. I had a friend who I thought was gorgeous. Around Christmas once she called me devastated because her boyfriend got her a nose job for Christmas she did not ask for nor want, nor up until then, think she needed – at least up until that point. I think there was a lot of remaking going on with models and their “boyfriends”. I guess I was a horrible friend, because I always told them to dump them and move back home. That is not the root to stardom. What happened to Vanessa Williams with the photos, could have happened to me a few times. In the eighties/nineties nudity and showing pubic hair were not considered artistic like now. I did underwear, sheer coverings, and other camoflague covering, but no nudes. Another old fart tried to molest me, but I told him I was sixteen, and my dad was waiting for me and would come looking and he let me go. During the promotion of my rap album at a new music conference. I caught a lot of flack from my producer because I would not take the pills they kept trying to give me “to relax.” They complained that I did not trust their judgement. I would not drink any liquor, and I never drank my drink if I left it unattended whenever I was with them. Again my dad, being in my ear gently guiding let me to make safer choices than many out there on their own. A few other scary incidents occurred, but I think my system with my dad, protected me from getting hurt. One guy told me I had what it took to make it big, but if I did not play by the rules, I would never make it beyond mediocre. I do not know if I could have made it big, but I certainly would has gone much further than I did. He was right about the mediocrity. But, it was my decision, not someone controlling me. Most of the people I met that did play by the rule(not all) did not end up so great. Even some who made it further than I did, did not end up so great. Maintaining long term success in that arena is hard to achieve. Anyway, I’m s very lucky I had my dad, so I was able to come out of the experience with a more positive outlook than negative. The daily grind of just working among the mediocre was fun and nonthreatening. By the way, I think we should all want to be as hot as Sophia From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:13 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? I agree, it seems to be an ugly industry. How did you survive it? I just find the change in desire of body types interesting. Back in the 50s and 60s, it was much more curvy women that were desired (at least, by certain groups' standards). I remember watching those corny beach movies with Frankie Avalon just so I could sneak a peek at Annette Funicello. She'd be considered overweight nowadays. And Sophia Loren? They'd have her on a restrictive diet so fast her head would spend. My wife tells me that Jennifer Aniston was ordered to lose weight when she was on
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I agree with you, but I think a little push back is taking hold. For instance, Scarlett Johansson, Kate Winslet, the woman on Dollhouse, that Secretary on Mad Men. . Some of the female stars of TV shows are permitted to be a bit bigger than I believe that would have been in the past. Examples include Medium, Rita Rocks, Sherry and some star of some show on lifetime who was skinny and died and woke up in a fat girls body. That being said, I think all it will amount to is tokenism. It will never be the trend any time soon. However, thanks to Monsanto, and increasingly in industrialized countries around the world, women are getting bigger. So, I am noticing bigger women in commercials who would never be in commercials in the past. They are possible coming to terms with a new bigger demographic. That is also why women’s close sizes are getting smaller. So the large number of big women will feel normal. Hail Frankenfood! What a horrible solution to Lagerfeld and Ralph Lauren From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? That won't happen because the super thin women is ingrained into the minds of the people that control the industry. So what was considered thin is the new fat, and what was healthy is now the new obese. I am glad that there was a little bit of sanity that stopped people from going over the edge though. When people like Allie MacBeal and had to be hospitalized people said ok, that is too skinny! Skeletor's girlfriend or something. Waking death just isn't cute or sexy. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: My wife says the same thing about a little weight going a long way. She's only 5'1, and often complains I don't get it because I'm 6'1--and a man. The funny thing is, this model looks better to me in shots where she's obviously gained a bit of weight over older shots. And to your point, I just see it as her getting back up to slim, not even close to fat. A couple of years ago I read an article about Scarlett Johannsen in one of my wife's magazines. The writer--a man--said that she was a pretty woman, and then added she works with her size. There were other words, but the guy's point was obviously that she was borderline too big. I remember being surprised. I'm still not sure how the desired female body type in America changed. When I was a kid it was those curvy women I mentioned. Sure, people liked Twiggy, Mary Tyler Moore in her capri pants was a cool thing. But men and women also sang the praises of the likes of Marilyn Monroe. Now it's weird. Maybe it's slowly changing back? At least, I've noticed that brunette actresses and models seem to be making a resurgence, so maybe the fuller figured women will come back too? - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:21:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I don't know what's more disturbing: that they think this model in her current true form is overweight, or that anyone in any country in the world thought that doctored photo of her was either realistic or attractive. I have tried over and over to understand the American obsession with thin models and actresses. My wife always explains to me that clothing looks better when hung on a thin frame, since designers feel a woman's curves detract from the dress, and a thin woman's body doesn't do that. (she doesn't agree with the philosophy, but understands it). Assuming I bought that--I don't--why then do even actresses, who ostensibly aren't modeling clothing, get told to lose weight? Why are so many makeup models thin when all we should be looking at are their faces (the
RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight?
When I was smaller, I got a lot of attention from white guys and some attention from Latino and Black guys. Interestingly enough, when I gained they all came around in larger numbers, but a larger proportion of Black guys popped up. There were a couple of things at work. I did not stop getting carded until 28 or 29. Friends called me jail bait for the longest. At twenty six one guy would not date me until I showed him my drivers license. To put it bluntly, I got breasts and hips around thirty. Those to factors had a lot to do with it. Add the very tall, in shape, over-protective father and you get the picture. Finally there is a catch 22. Out of make-up I looked like a kid, in it, I was gorgeous. I am not being arrogant. I’m amazed at how they transformed my face. My face was a palette for them to recreate. So if I left a photoshoot and did not take off the paint say to go to a party, most men would look but never come near me- unless it was an entertainment industry party. A few guys, I got to know later in life told me they thought I was out of their league back then if they met me while made up. So if you saw me in my twenties, you got either an underaged skinny kid or and unapproachable statue. So, I met less “normal” guys until I was around thirty For me, Dax and Theron are as thin as I would want to go. I think they are hot. I hate it when some of the pretty normal ones turn into sticks. Unless you are naturally thin, the weigh tloss looks like concentration camp victims. I start worrying for their mental and physical well being. One of the worse is when they lose all that weight and then stick silicon breasts on those stick figure bodies From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:50 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Tracey, I'm not surprised at all. Just out of curiosity, was the attention you started getting more from black, Latino, or white guys? I'm always fascinated at how men of different cultures and ethnicities view beauty. The old wisdom was that black and Latino men definitely tend to prefer curvier women. That is by no means the truth all the time, but I just wonder. I notice that when my wife and I are out (she's very curvy, and would kill me for saying that!) she gets more looks from black and Mexican men. Quite a few from white men, but not as much. Almost always from European guys--at least, I've caught a few Spaniards and Italians trying to mack her in the diary case while I was around the corner. The sad thing is, it's not even about slim or thin women not being attractive. Beauty comes in all sizes, and slim women can be as beautiful as anyone else. Charlize Theron is very slim, and gorgeous. Same for Rosalyn Sanchez, Terry Ferrell (Dax from DS9). It's just the push to make dangerously thin women the standard of beauty in the fashion and movie industries that bothers me. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:44:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Here something weird, I was 115 at 5’7’ for years when I modeled back in the day. I attracted guys, but not that much—unless I had my makeup articles, and hair stylist on hand, which was not often J. I quit modeling and over the years I gained until I I was about 135 – 140. I thought I was fat, but guys started stopping me on the street and trying to get my attention. I very odd experience. Something is definitively wrong. Guys like that monster Lagerfeld, should not be defining female beauty From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Was the photoshopped Ralph Lauren model fired for being overweight? Okay, I'm going to give some stats here for a sake of comparison. At 5'4 at 120 lbs, I wear a size 2--size 0 in some clothing if the hips run loose because my waist is significantly smaller than my hips. I am also rather small-boned. For someone at 5'10 to be too fat at 120 is fucking insane. I actually will deliberately gain weight if I go below 120 because at that point I start to look unhealthy. At my height, 5 lbs goes a LONG way. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m):
