Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could
That's very true. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > Yes, I keep up on the continuing inanities and insanity of my beloved home > state. I'm sickened at this as much as Arizona's attack on --let's be > honest--all things non-white. Moves like this would make more liberal or > level headed people want to home school their kids, but of course, a lot of > people don't have the resources to do so. Which of course means that once > again, people of color in these states will be virtually molested by a > torrent of misinformation and literally whitewashed "history". > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 4:58:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could > > > > Did you hear about what they are doing in Texas to change the history > books? They believe that the history books were written by "left leaning > liberals who had an agenda." The history books there were already horrible > when I went to school there in the 70s. They didn't include the civil rights > movement, MLK or watergate. I don't know if they replaced them after I left > but I doubt they did much in the way of improving them. > > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Keith Johnson > wrote: > >> >> >> And don't forget Arizona. Not only are the bastards turning civilian >> police into immigration enforces--and then *forcing* them to become so by >> codifying law allowing people to sue them for not doing it--now they're >> after diversity education. They recently passed a law to control and limit >> classes that teach Mexican-American, Native, or other history. the claim is >> that these classes are nothing but anti-American forums where radical >> teachers feed the kids the bread of Marxism, treason, revolution, and hatred >> of all things white and American. No lie. I listened to a high ranking >> school official in Arizona on NPR's "Tell Me More" who said these things. He >> says that education shouldn't be based on race (which he deemed an >> "unimportant" quality) and that kids should be educated to love America, not >> hate it as he claims these classes are doing. >> It had to happen sooner or later. Five centuries of dominance on the >> continent, and now they're faced with a President of color, an increasing >> Latino population, and people of color emboldened and more empowered to >> fight for ourselves. So now it's a battle of some whites to protect their >> vision of America. No matter that most public school education when >> dominated by whites has always glorified Europe and ignored or downplayed >> Africa and Latin America. That bias is okay, but Heaven forbid other groups >> try to balance the educational scales... >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mr. Worf" >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 1:29:05 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could >> >> >> >> I agree, but I fear that sooner or later there will be a violent incident >> that will come from this. Either from the frenzy that has been generated by >> the teabagger lies or from reactions to stupid laws passed by politicians >> trying please the teabaggers. >> >> Today, Ahnald's spokesperson announced a huge list of cuts today in order >> to get the state of California "back on budget." Most of the cuts destroy >> programs most needed in hard times such as the job program, welfare etc. >> >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Keith Johnson < >> keithbjohn...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Ha-ha! It's like the tired refrain, "We're standing up for the >>> Constitution". I keep trying to figure out what Obama's done to thwart the >>> Constitution. Even some of the things from Bush he's unfortunately continued >>> started under Bush--and none of them complained about Patriot Act abuses, >>> wiretaps, etc., which come way closer to violate the Constitution than >>> anything Obama's initiated. >>> There is no way they can deny that there's a huge personal animus toward >>> Obama at the root of much of this. >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mr. Worf" >>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Friday, May
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could
amen! - Original Message - From: "Bosco Bosco" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:23:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could It's funny that they weren't worried about the constitution when habeas corpus was suspended. The fundamental right that is the basis of democracy and freedom was destroyed and they couldn't be bothered to utter a sound. Teabaggers are proof that democracy is doomed. Democracy depends on an educated and self interested population. Teabaggers are merely the most vocal of a deeply stupid majority that are hell bent to destroy everything any intelligent person holds sacred through willful destructive ignorance. I am officially sanctioning intellectual facism. Bosco --- On Sat, 5/15/10, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:11 AM Ha-ha! It's like the tired refrain, "We're standing up for the Constitution" . I keep trying to figure out what Obama's done to thwart the Constitution. Even some of the things from Bush he's unfortunately continued started under Bush--and none of them complained about Patriot Act abuses, wiretaps, etc., which come way closer to violate the Constitution than anything Obama's initiated. There is no way they can deny that there's a huge personal animus toward Obama at the root of much of this. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:58:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could You should hear the crazy rants that the teabaggers have been doing here since Cinco de Mayo. Old woman - "They're taking away our rights!" Newscaster - "What rights are they taking away?" Old woman - blank stare... Newscaster - "Can you answer the question? What exactly are they taking away??" On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net > wrote: See, this is why so many of us distrust the Tea Party, and idiots like Palin. You disagree with someone, fine. But where does she get off saying Obama wants to "ban guns and ammunition"? That's such a general and sweeping statement. It's incendiary, inaccurate, hyperbole, and, as my mom used to say "A pure dee lie!". How is it she can make public statements like this that are pure lies? Obama has *never* intimated he wants to ban all guns. Even if he did want to restrict assault weapons--something I'm in favor of doing--it's not the same thing. The guy legalized guns in national parks, for Christ's sake--something I'm vehemently opposed to. And to say that he's the most pro-abortion President ever. Again, how is such lying permitted? But then, this is the same lady who started the "Death Panels" lie, and when presented with evidence it *wasn't* true, went on Facebook and said, "I still believe that's his goal". * * * * *** http://news. yahoo.com/ s/ap/20100515/ ap_on_el_ ge/us_palin Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin warned NRA members Friday that President Barack Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and told a separate gathering that "mama grizzlies" will help Republicans win this November, sweeping away the Democratic agenda. Palin, a potential 2012 presidential candidate , told National Rifle Association members during their annual meeting that the only thing stopping Obama and his Democratic allies from trying to ban guns is political backlash. "Don't doubt for a minute that, if they thought they could get away with it, they would ban guns and ban ammunition and gut the Second Amendment," said Palin, a lifelong NRA member who once had a baby shower at a local gun range in Alaska. "It's the job of all of us at the NRA and its allies to stop them in their tracks." Gun enthusiasts have trumpeted fears that their rights would erode under a Democrat-led White House and Congress, but President Barack Obama has largely been silent on issues such as reviving an assault weapons ban or strengthening background checks at gun shows. Obama also signed a law allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks. Palin, the GOP 's 2008 vice presidential nominee , also praised tea party activism during an appearance in Charlotte, and scoffed at suggestions that the movement had roots in violence, racism or rednecks before adding: "I don't really have a problem with the red
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could
Yes, I keep up on the continuing inanities and insanity of my beloved home state. I'm sickened at this as much as Arizona's attack on --let's be honest--all things non-white. Moves like this would make more liberal or level headed people want to home school their kids, but of course, a lot of people don't have the resources to do so. Which of course means that once again, people of color in these states will be virtually molested by a torrent of misinformation and literally whitewashed "history". - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 4:58:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could Did you hear about what they are doing in Texas to change the history books? They believe that the history books were written by "left leaning liberals who had an agenda." The history books there were already horrible when I went to school there in the 70s. They didn't include the civil rights movement, MLK or watergate. I don't know if they replaced them after I left but I doubt they did much in the way of improving them. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: And don't forget Arizona. Not only are the bastards turning civilian police into immigration enforces--and then *forcing* them to become so by codifying law allowing people to sue them for not doing it--now they're after diversity education. They recently passed a law to control and limit classes that teach Mexican-American, Native, or other history. the claim is that these classes are nothing but anti-American forums where radical teachers feed the kids the bread of Marxism, treason, revolution, and hatred of all things white and American. No lie. I listened to a high ranking school official in Arizona on NPR's "Tell Me More" who said these things. He says that education shouldn't be based on race (which he deemed an "unimportant" quality) and that kids should be educated to love America, not hate it as he claims these classes are doing. It had to happen sooner or later. Five centuries of dominance on the continent, and now they're faced with a President of color, an increasing Latino population, and people of color emboldened and more empowered to fight for ourselves. So now it's a battle of some whites to protect their vision of America. No matter that most public school education when dominated by whites has always glorified Europe and ignored or downplayed Africa and Latin America. That bias is okay, but Heaven forbid other groups try to balance the educational scales... - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 1:29:05 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could I agree, but I fear that sooner or later there will be a violent incident that will come from this. Either from the frenzy that has been generated by the teabagger lies or from reactions to stupid laws passed by politicians trying please the teabaggers. Today, Ahnald's spokesperson announced a huge list of cuts today in order to get the state of California "back on budget." Most of the cuts destroy programs most needed in hard times such as the job program, welfare etc. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Ha-ha! It's like the tired refrain, "We're standing up for the Constitution". I keep trying to figure out what Obama's done to thwart the Constitution. Even some of the things from Bush he's unfortunately continued started under Bush--and none of them complained about Patriot Act abuses, wiretaps, etc., which come way closer to violate the Constitution than anything Obama's initiated. There is no way they can deny that there's a huge personal animus toward Obama at the root of much of this. - Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:58:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could You should hear the crazy rants that the teabaggers have been doing here since Cinco de Mayo. Old woman - "They're taking away our rights!" Newscaster - "What rights are they taking away?" Old woman - blank stare... Newscaster - "Can you answer the question? What exactly are they taking away??" On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: See, this is why so many of us distrust the T
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could
It's funny that they weren't worried about the constitution when habeas corpus was suspended. The fundamental right that is the basis of democracy and freedom was destroyed and they couldn't be bothered to utter a sound. Teabaggers are proof that democracy is doomed. Democracy depends on an educated and self interested population. Teabaggers are merely the most vocal of a deeply stupid majority that are hell bent to destroy everything any intelligent person holds sacred through willful destructive ignorance. I am officially sanctioning intellectual facism. Bosco --- On Sat, 5/15/10, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:11 AM Ha-ha! It's like the tired refrain, "We're standing up for the Constitution" . I keep trying to figure out what Obama's done to thwart the Constitution. Even some of the things from Bush he's unfortunately continued started under Bush--and none of them complained about Patriot Act abuses, wiretaps, etc., which come way closer to violate the Constitution than anything Obama's initiated. There is no way they can deny that there's a huge personal animus toward Obama at the root of much of this. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:58:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could You should hear the crazy rants that the teabaggers have been doing here since Cinco de Mayo. Old woman - "They're taking away our rights!" Newscaster - "What rights are they taking away?" Old woman - blank stare... Newscaster - "Can you answer the question? What exactly are they taking away??" On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: See, this is why so many of us distrust the Tea Party, and idiots like Palin. You disagree with someone, fine. But where does she get off saying Obama wants to "ban guns and ammunition"? That's such a general and sweeping statement. It's incendiary, inaccurate, hyperbole, and, as my mom used to say "A pure dee lie!". How is it she can make public statements like this that are pure lies? Obama has *never* intimated he wants to ban all guns. Even if he did want to restrict assault weapons--something I'm in favor of doing--it's not the same thing. The guy legalized guns in national parks, for Christ's sake--something I'm vehemently opposed to. And to say that he's the most pro-abortion President ever. Again, how is such lying permitted? But then, this is the same lady who started the "Death Panels" lie, and when presented with evidence it *wasn't* true, went on Facebook and said, "I still believe that's his goal". * * * * *** http://news. yahoo.com/ s/ap/20100515/ ap_on_el_ ge/us_palin Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin warned NRA members Friday that President Barack Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and told a separate gathering that "mama grizzlies" will help Republicans win this November, sweeping away the Democratic agenda. Palin, a potential 2012 presidential candidate, told National Rifle Association members during their annual meeting that the only thing stopping Obama and his Democratic allies from trying to ban guns is political backlash. "Don't doubt for a minute that, if they thought they could get away with it, they would ban guns and ban ammunition and gut the Second Amendment," said Palin, a lifelong NRA member who once had a baby shower at a local gun range in Alaska. "It's the job of all of us at the NRA and its allies to stop them in their tracks." Gun enthusiasts have trumpeted fears that their rights would erode under a Democrat-led White House and Congress, but President Barack Obama has largely been silent on issues such as reviving an assault weapons ban or strengthening background checks at gun shows. Obama also signed a law allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks. Palin, the GOP's 2008 vice presidential nominee, also praised tea party activism during an appearance in Charlotte, and scoffed at suggestions that the movement had roots in violence, racism or rednecks before adding: "I don't really have a problem with the redneck part of it, to tell you the truth." She proceeded to read several redneck jokes off her phone and talked about how she could relate to some of them. During an event earlier Friday in Washington sponsored by a
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could
Did you hear about what they are doing in Texas to change the history books? They believe that the history books were written by "left leaning liberals who had an agenda." The history books there were already horrible when I went to school there in the 70s. They didn't include the civil rights movement, MLK or watergate. I don't know if they replaced them after I left but I doubt they did much in the way of improving them. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > And don't forget Arizona. Not only are the bastards turning civilian police > into immigration enforces--and then *forcing* them to become so by codifying > law allowing people to sue them for not doing it--now they're after > diversity education. They recently passed a law to control and limit classes > that teach Mexican-American, Native, or other history. the claim is that > these classes are nothing but anti-American forums where radical teachers > feed the kids the bread of Marxism, treason, revolution, and hatred of all > things white and American. No lie. I listened to a high ranking school > official in Arizona on NPR's "Tell Me More" who said these things. He says > that education shouldn't be based on race (which he deemed an "unimportant" > quality) and that kids should be educated to love America, not hate it as he > claims these classes are doing. > It had to happen sooner or later. Five centuries of dominance on the > continent, and now they're faced with a President of color, an increasing > Latino population, and people of color emboldened and more empowered to > fight for ourselves. So now it's a battle of some whites to protect their > vision of America. No matter that most public school education when > dominated by whites has always glorified Europe and ignored or downplayed > Africa and Latin America. That bias is okay, but Heaven forbid other groups > try to balance the educational scales... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 1:29:05 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could > > > > I agree, but I fear that sooner or later there will be a violent incident > that will come from this. Either from the frenzy that has been generated by > the teabagger lies or from reactions to stupid laws passed by politicians > trying please the teabaggers. > > Today, Ahnald's spokesperson announced a huge list of cuts today in order > to get the state of California "back on budget." Most of the cuts destroy > programs most needed in hard times such as the job program, welfare etc. > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Keith Johnson > wrote: > >> >> >> Ha-ha! It's like the tired refrain, "We're standing up for the >> Constitution". I keep trying to figure out what Obama's done to thwart the >> Constitution. Even some of the things from Bush he's unfortunately continued >> started under Bush--and none of them complained about Patriot Act abuses, >> wiretaps, etc., which come way closer to violate the Constitution than >> anything Obama's initiated. >> There is no way they can deny that there's a huge personal animus toward >> Obama at the root of much of this. >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mr. Worf" >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:58:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could >> >> >> >> You should hear the crazy rants that the teabaggers have been doing here >> since Cinco de Mayo. >> >> Old woman - "They're taking away our rights!" >> Newscaster - "What rights are they taking away?" >> Old woman - blank stare... >> Newscaster - "Can you answer the question? What exactly are they taking >> away??" >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson > > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> See, this is why so many of us distrust the Tea Party, and idiots like >>> Palin. You disagree with someone, fine. But where does she get off saying >>> Obama wants to "ban guns and ammunition"? That's such a general and >>> sweeping statement. It's incendiary, inaccurate, hyperbole, and, as my mom >>> used to say "A pure dee lie!". How is it she can make public statements like >>> this that are pure lies? Obama has *never* intimated he wants to ban all >>>
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could
I agree, Martin. I'm well aware of all the machinations of politics, but I am still so naive/idealistic that I have a huge problem when people outright lie about opponents, and a bigger problem when the lies and behavior are accepted, even embraced. I thought we crossed the line when Hillary Clinton started the "he pals around with terrorists" stuff...I thought we crossed it again with the "he's a socialist" cry from Palin and others...the bigots like Lou Dobbs who said he wasn't a real AmericanPalin saying he and his "left wing media" didn't respect women (though he clearly does, being surrounded by them in family and professional life)...when it was claimed he wanted to take all the guns, and gun sales skyrocketed before the election...with the "death panels" cry...when Joe Wilson committed one of the most reprehensible acts in American political history and called a duly elected leader a liar on national television-- how many times can a line be crossed? Like Worf just said, it's no longer about my views or feelings, per se, but a very real and worrying schism that the extreme rights creating which will render anything close to civil debate all but impossible. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:11:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could Keith, it's pandering to the sheeple again. She's aiming directly at those who get all their news from Faux/Fixed/Fox, and couldn't think outside the box if you ripped out five sides of it. And she can get away with it, unfortunately, as she herself would tell you (after considerable prompting from her handlers) that it's her Constitutional right to speak freely, even if all of her words are lies. She could probably say that *literally*, and her followers would still call it "media manipulation of her words". On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: See, this is why so many of us distrust the Tea Party, and idiots like Palin. You disagree with someone, fine. But where does she get off saying Obama wants to "ban guns and ammunition"? That's such a general and sweeping statement. It's incendiary, inaccurate, hyperbole, and, as my mom used to say "A pure dee lie!". How is it she can make public statements like this that are pure lies? Obama has *never* intimated he wants to ban all guns. Even if he did want to restrict assault weapons--something I'm in favor of doing--it's not the same thing. The guy legalized guns in national parks, for Christ's sake--something I'm vehemently opposed to. And to say that he's the most pro-abortion President ever. Again, how is such lying permitted? But then, this is the same lady who started the "Death Panels" lie, and when presented with evidence it *wasn't* true, went on Facebook and said, "I still believe that's his goal". *** http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100515/ap_on_el_ge/us_palin Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin warned NRA members Friday that President Barack Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and told a separate gathering that "mama grizzlies" will help Republicans win this November, sweeping away the Democratic agenda. Palin, a potential 2012 presidential candidate , told National Rifle Association members during their annual meeting that the only thing stopping Obama and his Democratic allies from trying to ban guns is political backlash. "Don't doubt for a minute that, if they thought they could get away with it, they would ban guns and ban ammunition and gut the Second Amendment," said Palin, a lifelong NRA member who once had a baby shower at a local gun range in Alaska. "It's the job of all of us at the NRA and its allies to stop them in their tracks." Gun enthusiasts have trumpeted fears that their rights would erode under a Democrat-led White House and Congress, but President Barack Obama has largely been silent on issues such as reviving an assault weapons ban or strengthening background checks at gun shows. Obama also signed a law allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks. Palin, the GOP 's 2008 vice presidential nominee , also praised tea party activism during an appearance in Charlotte, and scoffed at suggestions that the movement had roots in violence, racism or rednecks before adding: "I don't really have a problem with the redneck part of it, to tell you the truth." She proceeded to read several redneck jokes off her phone and talked about how she could
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And don't forget Arizona. Not only are the bastards turning civilian police into immigration enforces--and then *forcing* them to become so by codifying law allowing people to sue them for not doing it--now they're after diversity education. They recently passed a law to control and limit classes that teach Mexican-American, Native, or other history. the claim is that these classes are nothing but anti-American forums where radical teachers feed the kids the bread of Marxism, treason, revolution, and hatred of all things white and American. No lie. I listened to a high ranking school official in Arizona on NPR's "Tell Me More" who said these things. He says that education shouldn't be based on race (which he deemed an "unimportant" quality) and that kids should be educated to love America, not hate it as he claims these classes are doing. It had to happen sooner or later. Five centuries of dominance on the continent, and now they're faced with a President of color, an increasing Latino population, and people of color emboldened and more empowered to fight for ourselves. So now it's a battle of some whites to protect their vision of America. No matter that most public school education when dominated by whites has always glorified Europe and ignored or downplayed Africa and Latin America. That bias is okay, but Heaven forbid other groups try to balance the educational scales... - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 1:29:05 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could I agree, but I fear that sooner or later there will be a violent incident that will come from this. Either from the frenzy that has been generated by the teabagger lies or from reactions to stupid laws passed by politicians trying please the teabaggers. Today, Ahnald's spokesperson announced a huge list of cuts today in order to get the state of California "back on budget." Most of the cuts destroy programs most needed in hard times such as the job program, welfare etc. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Ha-ha! It's like the tired refrain, "We're standing up for the Constitution". I keep trying to figure out what Obama's done to thwart the Constitution. Even some of the things from Bush he's unfortunately continued started under Bush--and none of them complained about Patriot Act abuses, wiretaps, etc., which come way closer to violate the Constitution than anything Obama's initiated. There is no way they can deny that there's a huge personal animus toward Obama at the root of much of this. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:58:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could You should hear the crazy rants that the teabaggers have been doing here since Cinco de Mayo. Old woman - "They're taking away our rights!" Newscaster - "What rights are they taking away?" Old woman - blank stare... Newscaster - "Can you answer the question? What exactly are they taking away??" On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: See, this is why so many of us distrust the Tea Party, and idiots like Palin. You disagree with someone, fine. But where does she get off saying Obama wants to "ban guns and ammunition"? That's such a general and sweeping statement. It's incendiary, inaccurate, hyperbole, and, as my mom used to say "A pure dee lie!". How is it she can make public statements like this that are pure lies? Obama has *never* intimated he wants to ban all guns. Even if he did want to restrict assault weapons--something I'm in favor of doing--it's not the same thing. The guy legalized guns in national parks, for Christ's sake--something I'm vehemently opposed to. And to say that he's the most pro-abortion President ever. Again, how is such lying permitted? But then, this is the same lady who started the "Death Panels" lie, and when presented with evidence it *wasn't* true, went on Facebook and said, "I still believe that's his goal". *** http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100515/ap_on_el_ge/us_palin Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin warned NRA members Friday that President Barack Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and told a separate gathering that "mama grizzlies" will help Republicans win this No
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Keith, it's pandering to the sheeple again. She's aiming directly at those who get all their news from Faux/Fixed/Fox, and couldn't think outside the box if you ripped out five sides of it. And she can get away with it, unfortunately, as she herself would tell you (after considerable prompting from her handlers) that it's her Constitutional right to speak freely, even if all of her words are lies. She could probably say that *literally*, and her followers would still call it "media manipulation of her words". On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > See, this is why so many of us distrust the Tea Party, and idiots like > Palin. You disagree with someone, fine. But where does she get off saying > Obama wants to "ban guns and ammunition"? That's such a general and > sweeping statement. It's incendiary, inaccurate, hyperbole, and, as my mom > used to say "A pure dee lie!". How is it she can make public statements like > this that are pure lies? Obama has *never* intimated he wants to ban all > guns. Even if he did want to restrict assault weapons--something I'm in > favor of doing--it's not the same thing. The guy legalized guns in national > parks, for Christ's sake--something I'm vehemently opposed to. And to say > that he's the most pro-abortion President ever. Again, how is such lying > permitted? > But then, this is the same lady who started the "Death Panels" lie, and > when presented with evidence it *wasn't* true, went on Facebook and said, "I > still believe that's his goal". > > *** > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100515/ap_on_el_ge/us_palin > > Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could > > CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin warned NRA members Friday > that President Barack Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and told a > separate gathering that "mama grizzlies" will help Republicans win this > November, sweeping away the Democratic agenda. > > Palin, a potential 2012 presidential candidate, told National Rifle > Association members during their annual meeting that the only thing > stopping Obama and his Democratic allies from trying to ban guns is > political backlash. > > "Don't doubt for a minute that, if they thought they could get away with > it, they would ban guns and ban ammunition and gut the Second Amendment," > said Palin, a lifelong NRA member who once had a baby shower at a local gun > range in Alaska. "It's the job of all of us at the NRA and its allies to > stop them in their tracks." > > Gun enthusiasts have trumpeted fears that their rights would erode under a > Democrat-led White House and Congress, but President Barack Obama has > largely been silent on issues such as reviving an assault weapons ban or > strengthening background checks at gun shows. Obama also signed a law > allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks. > > Palin, the GOP's 2008 vice presidential nominee, also praised tea party > activism during an appearance in Charlotte, and scoffed at suggestions that > the movement had roots in violence, racism or rednecks before adding: "I > don't really have a problem with the redneck part of it, to tell you the > truth." > > She proceeded to read several redneck jokes off her phone and talked about > how she could relate to some of them. > > During an event earlier Friday in Washington sponsored by an anti-abortion > group, she challenged Republican women to help the GOP "take this country > back" and elect anti-abortion lawmakers. She praised female leaders of the tea > party movement and invoked the 2008 acceptance speech where she compared > herself to a pit bull. > > "You don't want to mess with moms who are rising up," Palin said at the Susan > B. Anthony List event. "If you thought pit bulls were tough, you don't > want to mess with mama grizzlies." > > Palin said she understood how some women might consider abortion, citing > her own experiences as the mother of a child with Down syndrome and the > parent of an unwed teen mother. Last year, Palin said that "for a fleeting > moment" she considered having an abortion when she learned of her son Trig's > prognosis. > > But she said Friday that abortion is morally wrong and women should carry a > fetus to term. > > "It may not be the easiest path, but it's always the right path," she said. > > She said Obama is "the most pro-abortion president ever to occupy the White > House" and asserted that the health care law would fund abortions. > > In fact, Obama's health care law would not allow federal dollars to pay for > elective abortions. Catholic hospitals and organizations of Catholic nuns > backed the measure. U.S. Catholic bishops and major anti-abortion groups > opposed it, arguing that federal dollars could end up paying for abortions. > > Stephanie Schriock, president of EMILY's List, said Palin talks a good > game, but her version of what American women want doesn't honor freedom and > independence. She mentioned the
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I agree, but I fear that sooner or later there will be a violent incident that will come from this. Either from the frenzy that has been generated by the teabagger lies or from reactions to stupid laws passed by politicians trying please the teabaggers. Today, Ahnald's spokesperson announced a huge list of cuts today in order to get the state of California "back on budget." Most of the cuts destroy programs most needed in hard times such as the job program, welfare etc. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > Ha-ha! It's like the tired refrain, "We're standing up for the > Constitution". I keep trying to figure out what Obama's done to thwart the > Constitution. Even some of the things from Bush he's unfortunately continued > started under Bush--and none of them complained about Patriot Act abuses, > wiretaps, etc., which come way closer to violate the Constitution than > anything Obama's initiated. > There is no way they can deny that there's a huge personal animus toward > Obama at the root of much of this. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:58:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could > > > > You should hear the crazy rants that the teabaggers have been doing here > since Cinco de Mayo. > > Old woman - "They're taking away our rights!" > Newscaster - "What rights are they taking away?" > Old woman - blank stare... > Newscaster - "Can you answer the question? What exactly are they taking > away??" > > > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson > wrote: > >> >> >> See, this is why so many of us distrust the Tea Party, and idiots like >> Palin. You disagree with someone, fine. But where does she get off saying >> Obama wants to "ban guns and ammunition"? That's such a general and >> sweeping statement. It's incendiary, inaccurate, hyperbole, and, as my mom >> used to say "A pure dee lie!". How is it she can make public statements like >> this that are pure lies? Obama has *never* intimated he wants to ban all >> guns. Even if he did want to restrict assault weapons--something I'm in >> favor of doing--it's not the same thing. The guy legalized guns in national >> parks, for Christ's sake--something I'm vehemently opposed to. And to say >> that he's the most pro-abortion President ever. Again, how is such lying >> permitted? >> But then, this is the same lady who started the "Death Panels" lie, and >> when presented with evidence it *wasn't* true, went on Facebook and said, "I >> still believe that's his goal". >> >> *** >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100515/ap_on_el_ge/us_palin >> >> Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could >> >> CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin warned NRA members >> Friday that President Barack Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and >> told a separate gathering that "mama grizzlies" will help Republicans win >> this November, sweeping away the Democratic agenda. >> >> Palin, a potential 2012 presidential candidate, told National Rifle >> Association members during their annual meeting that the only thing >> stopping Obama and his Democratic allies from trying to ban guns is >> political backlash. >> >> "Don't doubt for a minute that, if they thought they could get away with >> it, they would ban guns and ban ammunition and gut the Second Amendment," >> said Palin, a lifelong NRA member who once had a baby shower at a local gun >> range in Alaska. "It's the job of all of us at the NRA and its allies to >> stop them in their tracks." >> >> Gun enthusiasts have trumpeted fears that their rights would erode under a >> Democrat-led White House and Congress, but President Barack Obama has >> largely been silent on issues such as reviving an assault weapons ban or >> strengthening background checks at gun shows. Obama also signed a law >> allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks. >> >> Palin, the GOP's 2008 vice presidential nominee, also praised tea party >> activism during an appearance in Charlotte, and scoffed at suggestions that >> the movement had roots in violence, racism or rednecks before adding: "I >> don't really have a problem with the redneck part of it, to tell you the >> truth."
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Ha-ha! It's like the tired refrain, "We're standing up for the Constitution". I keep trying to figure out what Obama's done to thwart the Constitution. Even some of the things from Bush he's unfortunately continued started under Bush--and none of them complained about Patriot Act abuses, wiretaps, etc., which come way closer to violate the Constitution than anything Obama's initiated. There is no way they can deny that there's a huge personal animus toward Obama at the root of much of this. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:58:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could You should hear the crazy rants that the teabaggers have been doing here since Cinco de Mayo. Old woman - "They're taking away our rights!" Newscaster - "What rights are they taking away?" Old woman - blank stare... Newscaster - "Can you answer the question? What exactly are they taking away??" On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: See, this is why so many of us distrust the Tea Party, and idiots like Palin. You disagree with someone, fine. But where does she get off saying Obama wants to "ban guns and ammunition"? That's such a general and sweeping statement. It's incendiary, inaccurate, hyperbole, and, as my mom used to say "A pure dee lie!". How is it she can make public statements like this that are pure lies? Obama has *never* intimated he wants to ban all guns. Even if he did want to restrict assault weapons--something I'm in favor of doing--it's not the same thing. The guy legalized guns in national parks, for Christ's sake--something I'm vehemently opposed to. And to say that he's the most pro-abortion President ever. Again, how is such lying permitted? But then, this is the same lady who started the "Death Panels" lie, and when presented with evidence it *wasn't* true, went on Facebook and said, "I still believe that's his goal". *** http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100515/ap_on_el_ge/us_palin Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin warned NRA members Friday that President Barack Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and told a separate gathering that "mama grizzlies" will help Republicans win this November, sweeping away the Democratic agenda. Palin, a potential 2012 presidential candidate , told National Rifle Association members during their annual meeting that the only thing stopping Obama and his Democratic allies from trying to ban guns is political backlash. "Don't doubt for a minute that, if they thought they could get away with it, they would ban guns and ban ammunition and gut the Second Amendment," said Palin, a lifelong NRA member who once had a baby shower at a local gun range in Alaska. "It's the job of all of us at the NRA and its allies to stop them in their tracks." Gun enthusiasts have trumpeted fears that their rights would erode under a Democrat-led White House and Congress, but President Barack Obama has largely been silent on issues such as reviving an assault weapons ban or strengthening background checks at gun shows. Obama also signed a law allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks. Palin, the GOP 's 2008 vice presidential nominee , also praised tea party activism during an appearance in Charlotte, and scoffed at suggestions that the movement had roots in violence, racism or rednecks before adding: "I don't really have a problem with the redneck part of it, to tell you the truth." She proceeded to read several redneck jokes off her phone and talked about how she could relate to some of them. During an event earlier Friday in Washington sponsored by an anti-abortion group, she challenged Republican women to help the GOP "take this country back" and elect anti-abortion lawmakers. She praised female leaders of the tea party movement and invoked the 2008 acceptance speech where she compared herself to a pit bull. "You don't want to mess with moms who are rising up," Palin said at the Susan B. Anthony List event. "If you thought pit bulls were tough, you don't want to mess with mama grizzlies." Palin said she understood how some women might consider abortion, citing her own experiences as the mother of a child with Down syndrome and the parent of an unwed teen mother. Last year, Palin said that "for a fleeting moment" she considered having an abortion when she learned of her son Trig's prognosis. But she said Friday that abortion
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You should hear the crazy rants that the teabaggers have been doing here since Cinco de Mayo. Old woman - "They're taking away our rights!" Newscaster - "What rights are they taking away?" Old woman - blank stare... Newscaster - "Can you answer the question? What exactly are they taking away??" On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > See, this is why so many of us distrust the Tea Party, and idiots like > Palin. You disagree with someone, fine. But where does she get off saying > Obama wants to "ban guns and ammunition"? That's such a general and > sweeping statement. It's incendiary, inaccurate, hyperbole, and, as my mom > used to say "A pure dee lie!". How is it she can make public statements like > this that are pure lies? Obama has *never* intimated he wants to ban all > guns. Even if he did want to restrict assault weapons--something I'm in > favor of doing--it's not the same thing. The guy legalized guns in national > parks, for Christ's sake--something I'm vehemently opposed to. And to say > that he's the most pro-abortion President ever. Again, how is such lying > permitted? > But then, this is the same lady who started the "Death Panels" lie, and > when presented with evidence it *wasn't* true, went on Facebook and said, "I > still believe that's his goal". > > *** > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100515/ap_on_el_ge/us_palin > > Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could > > CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin warned NRA members Friday > that President Barack Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and told a > separate gathering that "mama grizzlies" will help Republicans win this > November, sweeping away the Democratic agenda. > > Palin, a potential 2012 presidential candidate, told National Rifle > Association members during their annual meeting that the only thing > stopping Obama and his Democratic allies from trying to ban guns is > political backlash. > > "Don't doubt for a minute that, if they thought they could get away with > it, they would ban guns and ban ammunition and gut the Second Amendment," > said Palin, a lifelong NRA member who once had a baby shower at a local gun > range in Alaska. "It's the job of all of us at the NRA and its allies to > stop them in their tracks." > > Gun enthusiasts have trumpeted fears that their rights would erode under a > Democrat-led White House and Congress, but President Barack Obama has > largely been silent on issues such as reviving an assault weapons ban or > strengthening background checks at gun shows. Obama also signed a law > allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks. > > Palin, the GOP's 2008 vice presidential nominee, also praised tea party > activism during an appearance in Charlotte, and scoffed at suggestions that > the movement had roots in violence, racism or rednecks before adding: "I > don't really have a problem with the redneck part of it, to tell you the > truth." > > She proceeded to read several redneck jokes off her phone and talked about > how she could relate to some of them. > > During an event earlier Friday in Washington sponsored by an anti-abortion > group, she challenged Republican women to help the GOP "take this country > back" and elect anti-abortion lawmakers. She praised female leaders of the tea > party movement and invoked the 2008 acceptance speech where she compared > herself to a pit bull. > > "You don't want to mess with moms who are rising up," Palin said at the Susan > B. Anthony List event. "If you thought pit bulls were tough, you don't > want to mess with mama grizzlies." > > Palin said she understood how some women might consider abortion, citing > her own experiences as the mother of a child with Down syndrome and the > parent of an unwed teen mother. Last year, Palin said that "for a fleeting > moment" she considered having an abortion when she learned of her son Trig's > prognosis. > > But she said Friday that abortion is morally wrong and women should carry a > fetus to term. > > "It may not be the easiest path, but it's always the right path," she said. > > She said Obama is "the most pro-abortion president ever to occupy the White > House" and asserted that the health care law would fund abortions. > > In fact, Obama's health care law would not allow federal dollars to pay for > elective abortions. Catholic hospitals and organizations of Catholic nuns > backed the measure. U.S. Catholic bishops and major anti-abortion groups > opposed it, arguing that federal dollars could end up paying for abortions. > > Stephanie Schriock, president of EMILY's List, said Palin talks a good > game, but her version of what American women want doesn't honor freedom and > independence. She mentioned the Democratic lawmakers whom Palin had targeted > for their votes for health care overhaul. > > "First she puts targets on their back, then she wants the government in > their bedrooms — what is Sarah Palin doing to West
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See, this is why so many of us distrust the Tea Party, and idiots like Palin. You disagree with someone, fine. But where does she get off saying Obama wants to "ban guns and ammunition"? That's such a general and sweeping statement. It's incendiary, inaccurate, hyperbole, and, as my mom used to say "A pure dee lie!". How is it she can make public statements like this that are pure lies? Obama has *never* intimated he wants to ban all guns. Even if he did want to restrict assault weapons--something I'm in favor of doing--it's not the same thing. The guy legalized guns in national parks, for Christ's sake--something I'm vehemently opposed to. And to say that he's the most pro-abortion President ever. Again, how is such lying permitted? But then, this is the same lady who started the "Death Panels" lie, and when presented with evidence it *wasn't* true, went on Facebook and said, "I still believe that's his goal". *** http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100515/ap_on_el_ge/us_palin Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin warned NRA members Friday that President Barack Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and told a separate gathering that "mama grizzlies" will help Republicans win this November, sweeping away the Democratic agenda. Palin, a potential 2012 presidential candidate , told National Rifle Association members during their annual meeting that the only thing stopping Obama and his Democratic allies from trying to ban guns is political backlash. "Don't doubt for a minute that, if they thought they could get away with it, they would ban guns and ban ammunition and gut the Second Amendment," said Palin, a lifelong NRA member who once had a baby shower at a local gun range in Alaska. "It's the job of all of us at the NRA and its allies to stop them in their tracks." Gun enthusiasts have trumpeted fears that their rights would erode under a Democrat-led White House and Congress, but President Barack Obama has largely been silent on issues such as reviving an assault weapons ban or strengthening background checks at gun shows. Obama also signed a law allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks. Palin, the GOP 's 2008 vice presidential nominee , also praised tea party activism during an appearance in Charlotte, and scoffed at suggestions that the movement had roots in violence, racism or rednecks before adding: "I don't really have a problem with the redneck part of it, to tell you the truth." She proceeded to read several redneck jokes off her phone and talked about how she could relate to some of them. During an event earlier Friday in Washington sponsored by an anti-abortion group, she challenged Republican women to help the GOP "take this country back" and elect anti-abortion lawmakers. She praised female leaders of the tea party movement and invoked the 2008 acceptance speech where she compared herself to a pit bull. "You don't want to mess with moms who are rising up," Palin said at the Susan B. Anthony List event. "If you thought pit bulls were tough, you don't want to mess with mama grizzlies." Palin said she understood how some women might consider abortion, citing her own experiences as the mother of a child with Down syndrome and the parent of an unwed teen mother. Last year, Palin said that "for a fleeting moment" she considered having an abortion when she learned of her son Trig's prognosis. But she said Friday that abortion is morally wrong and women should carry a fetus to term. "It may not be the easiest path, but it's always the right path," she said. She said Obama is "the most pro-abortion president ever to occupy the White House" and asserted that the health care law would fund abortions. In fact, Obama's health care law would not allow federal dollars to pay for elective abortions. Catholic hospitals and organizations of Catholic nuns backed the measure. U.S. Catholic bishops and major anti-abortion groups opposed it, arguing that federal dollars could end up paying for abortions. Stephanie Schriock, president of EMILY's List , said Palin talks a good game, but her version of what American women want doesn't honor freedom and independence. She mentioned the Democratic lawmakers whom Palin had targeted for their votes for health care overhaul . "First she puts targets on their back, then she wants the government in their bedrooms — what is Sarah Palin doing to Western women?" said Schriock. EMILY'S List helps candidates who back abortion rights. Palin also criticized the media, singling out their coverage of her daughter Bristol, whose pregnancy was announced days after Palin was named the vice presidential nominee . Bristol Palin is a single mother who works on an abstinence-only campaign. She said some young women would see what happened to Bristol and perhaps be encouraged to seek an abort
