RE: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year
I have Gmail too, use it for some of my groups. It's better for spellchecking. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:00:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year I was about to ask you which email program that you use, but then I saw your email address and that answered my question. You can't really trust microsoft for anything important like spell checking even with their email program. I use gmail. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: I have spellchecker programs on all of my e-mail accounts, and I've seen them let serious goofs go by the boards unmarked. (Can't tell you how many times I've sent stuff out with ahve instead of have. And human spellcheckers can be worse. Reading e-maisl from my younger sisters is exercise in and of itself (by having to lift the dictionary repeatedly) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:36:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year They couldn't do a spellcheck before sending it to the printers?? On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, I've read many of those as well, and I *hope* that they're the result of very lax proofreading and typesetting. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:14:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year I know a few people that have sold music promoting themselves. They are not rich from it, but it does supplement their income well. A few others went on to become big. (like Metallica for example.) But I think that is a different set of circumstances than selling books. There is still no other way to make real money without playing the game of having the right publisher, artwork, looks etc. I have read books and wonder how they got published. (same for music and movies) Typos, bad grammar that wasn't part of the dialog etc. were there. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@yahoo.com wrote: Selling 10K books without a real marketing budget or promotional materials or staff is not a very easy task. So is selling 10K worth of songs in single or album. Most unfinanced artists will simply never pull those kind of numbers. I have several friends who have published books. None of them have made a living except one and that's because Oprah picked her book. She was very lucky. Bosco --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 5:38 PM That is the problem with large publishers. With the business model situation that she is in, it will take about 200,000 sales before she can start to be comfortable. Self publishing is an alternative but it takes a lot more work for the person doing it. No advances, you must make your own promotional dates etc. It is possible to sell 10,000 books and make the same money though. That is the same with music too. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Paranormal romance author Lynn Viehl bared all last week — she posted her complete royalty statement from her publisher, for her New York Times bestselling book Twilight Fall. And the details might make you reconsider a career as a novelist. http://feenooy. notlong.com - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / Individual Email | Traditional http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /join (Yahoo! ID required) scifinoir2-digest@ yahoogroups. com scifinoir2-fullfeat u...@yahoogroups .com scifinoir2-unsubscr i...@yahoogroups. com http://docs. yahoo.com/ info/terms/ -- Bringing diversity
RE: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year
Mr Worf, I've read many of those as well, and I *hope* that they're the result of very lax proofreading and typesetting. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:14:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year I know a few people that have sold music promoting themselves. They are not rich from it, but it does supplement their income well. A few others went on to become big. (like Metallica for example.) But I think that is a different set of circumstances than selling books. There is still no other way to make real money without playing the game of having the right publisher, artwork, looks etc. I have read books and wonder how they got published. (same for music and movies) Typos, bad grammar that wasn't part of the dialog etc. were there. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@yahoo.com wrote: Selling 10K books without a real marketing budget or promotional materials or staff is not a very easy task. So is selling 10K worth of songs in single or album. Most unfinanced artists will simply never pull those kind of numbers. I have several friends who have published books. None of them have made a living except one and that's because Oprah picked her book. She was very lucky. Bosco --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 5:38 PM That is the problem with large publishers. With the business model situation that she is in, it will take about 200,000 sales before she can start to be comfortable. Self publishing is an alternative but it takes a lot more work for the person doing it. No advances, you must make your own promotional dates etc. It is possible to sell 10,000 books and make the same money though. That is the same with music too. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Paranormal romance author Lynn Viehl bared all last week — she posted her complete royalty statement from her publisher, for her New York Times bestselling book Twilight Fall. And the details might make you reconsider a career as a novelist. http://feenooy. notlong.com - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / Individual Email | Traditional http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /join (Yahoo! ID required) scifinoir2-digest@ yahoogroups. com scifinoir2-fullfeat u...@yahoogroups .com scifinoir2-unsubscr i...@yahoogroups. com http://docs. yahoo.com/ info/terms/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year
I have spellchecker programs on all of my e-mail accounts, and I've seen them let serious goofs go by the boards unmarked. (Can't tell you how many times I've sent stuff out with ahve instead of have. And human spellcheckers can be worse. Reading e-maisl from my younger sisters is exercise in and of itself (by having to lift the dictionary repeatedly) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:36:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year They couldn't do a spellcheck before sending it to the printers?? On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, I've read many of those as well, and I *hope* that they're the result of very lax proofreading and typesetting. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:14:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year I know a few people that have sold music promoting themselves. They are not rich from it, but it does supplement their income well. A few others went on to become big. (like Metallica for example.) But I think that is a different set of circumstances than selling books. There is still no other way to make real money without playing the game of having the right publisher, artwork, looks etc. I have read books and wonder how they got published. (same for music and movies) Typos, bad grammar that wasn't part of the dialog etc. were there. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@yahoo.com wrote: Selling 10K books without a real marketing budget or promotional materials or staff is not a very easy task. So is selling 10K worth of songs in single or album. Most unfinanced artists will simply never pull those kind of numbers. I have several friends who have published books. None of them have made a living except one and that's because Oprah picked her book. She was very lucky. Bosco --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 5:38 PM That is the problem with large publishers. With the business model situation that she is in, it will take about 200,000 sales before she can start to be comfortable. Self publishing is an alternative but it takes a lot more work for the person doing it. No advances, you must make your own promotional dates etc. It is possible to sell 10,000 books and make the same money though. That is the same with music too. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Paranormal romance author Lynn Viehl bared all last week — she posted her complete royalty statement from her publisher, for her New York Times bestselling book Twilight Fall. And the details might make you reconsider a career as a novelist. http://feenooy. notlong.com - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / Individual Email | Traditional http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /join (Yahoo! ID required) scifinoir2-digest@ yahoogroups. com scifinoir2-fullfeat u...@yahoogroups .com scifinoir2-unsubscr i...@yahoogroups. com http://docs. yahoo.com/ info/terms/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct
Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year
I was about to ask you which email program that you use, but then I saw your email address and that answered my question. You can't really trust microsoft for anything important like spell checking even with their email program. I use gmail. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: I have spellchecker programs on all of my e-mail accounts, and I've seen them let serious goofs go by the boards unmarked. (Can't tell you how many times I've sent stuff out with ahve instead of have. And human spellcheckers can be worse. Reading e-maisl from my younger sisters is exercise in and of itself (by having to lift the dictionary repeatedly) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:36:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year They couldn't do a spellcheck before sending it to the printers?? On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, I've read many of those as well, and I *hope* that they're the result of very lax proofreading and typesetting. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:14:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year I know a few people that have sold music promoting themselves. They are not rich from it, but it does supplement their income well. A few others went on to become big. (like Metallica for example.) But I think that is a different set of circumstances than selling books. There is still no other way to make real money without playing the game of having the right publisher, artwork, looks etc. I have read books and wonder how they got published. (same for music and movies) Typos, bad grammar that wasn't part of the dialog etc. were there. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@yahoo.com wrote: Selling 10K books without a real marketing budget or promotional materials or staff is not a very easy task. So is selling 10K worth of songs in single or album. Most unfinanced artists will simply never pull those kind of numbers. I have several friends who have published books. None of them have made a living except one and that's because Oprah picked her book. She was very lucky. Bosco --- On *Thu, 11/19/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 5:38 PM That is the problem with large publishers. With the business model situation that she is in, it will take about 200,000 sales before she can start to be comfortable. Self publishing is an alternative but it takes a lot more work for the person doing it. No advances, you must make your own promotional dates etc. It is possible to sell 10,000 books and make the same money though. That is the same with music too. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. comhttp://mc/compose?to=ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Paranormal romance author Lynn Viehl bared all last week — she posted her complete royalty statement from her publisher, for her New York Times bestselling book Twilight Fall. And the details might make you reconsider a career as a novelist. http://feenooy. notlong.com http://feenooy.notlong.com - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoohttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year
Okay, that's... very disturbing. I've made more money off my self published titles, with a... _tiny_ fraction of her sales. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Paranormal romance author Lynn Viehl bared all last week — she posted her complete royalty statement from her publisher, for her New York Times bestselling book Twilight Fall. And the details might make you reconsider a career as a novelist. http://feenooy.notlong.com -- --- Charles Sheehan-Miles 202-412-2433 | char...@sheehanmiles.net http://www.linkedin.com/in/sheehanmiles
RE: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year
As I knew the first time I put pencil to paper, thirty-odd years ago -- writing is a labor of love, and love will leave you starving many a day. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: char...@sheehanmiles.net Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:46:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year Okay, that's... very disturbing. I've made more money off my self published titles, with a... _tiny_ fraction of her sales. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Paranormal romance author Lynn Viehl bared all last week — she posted her complete royalty statement from her publisher, for her New York Times bestselling book Twilight Fall. And the details might make you reconsider a career as a novelist. http://feenooy.notlong.com -- --- Charles Sheehan-Miles 202-412-2433 | char...@sheehanmiles.net http://www.linkedin.com/in/sheehanmiles _ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MFESRPpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1
Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year
That is the problem with large publishers. With the business model situation that she is in, it will take about 200,000 sales before she can start to be comfortable. Self publishing is an alternative but it takes a lot more work for the person doing it. No advances, you must make your own promotional dates etc. It is possible to sell 10,000 books and make the same money though. That is the same with music too. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Paranormal romance author Lynn Viehl bared all last week — she posted her complete royalty statement from her publisher, for her New York Times bestselling book Twilight Fall. And the details might make you reconsider a career as a novelist. http://feenooy.notlong.com Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year
Selling 10K books without a real marketing budget or promotional materials or staff is not a very easy task. So is selling 10K worth of songs in single or album. Most unfinanced artists will simply never pull those kind of numbers. I have several friends who have published books. None of them have made a living except one and that's because Oprah picked her book. She was very lucky. Bosco --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 5:38 PM That is the problem with large publishers. With the business model situation that she is in, it will take about 200,000 sales before she can start to be comfortable. Self publishing is an alternative but it takes a lot more work for the person doing it. No advances, you must make your own promotional dates etc. It is possible to sell 10,000 books and make the same money though. That is the same with music too. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Paranormal romance author Lynn Viehl bared all last week — she posted her complete royalty statement from her publisher, for her New York Times bestselling book Twilight Fall. And the details might make you reconsider a career as a novelist. http://feenooy. notlong.com - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / Individual Email | Traditional http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /join (Yahoo! ID required) scifinoir2-digest@ yahoogroups. com scifinoir2-fullfeat u...@yahoogroups .com scifinoir2-unsubscr i...@yahoogroups. com http://docs. yahoo.com/ info/terms/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year
I know a few people that have sold music promoting themselves. They are not rich from it, but it does supplement their income well. A few others went on to become big. (like Metallica for example.) But I think that is a different set of circumstances than selling books. There is still no other way to make real money without playing the game of having the right publisher, artwork, looks etc. I have read books and wonder how they got published. (same for music and movies) Typos, bad grammar that wasn't part of the dialog etc. were there. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@yahoo.com wrote: Selling 10K books without a real marketing budget or promotional materials or staff is not a very easy task. So is selling 10K worth of songs in single or album. Most unfinanced artists will simply never pull those kind of numbers. I have several friends who have published books. None of them have made a living except one and that's because Oprah picked her book. She was very lucky. Bosco --- On *Thu, 11/19/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Go broke on one NY Times Bestseller a year To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 5:38 PM That is the problem with large publishers. With the business model situation that she is in, it will take about 200,000 sales before she can start to be comfortable. Self publishing is an alternative but it takes a lot more work for the person doing it. No advances, you must make your own promotional dates etc. It is possible to sell 10,000 books and make the same money though. That is the same with music too. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. comhttp://mc/compose?to=ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Paranormal romance author Lynn Viehl bared all last week — she posted her complete royalty statement from her publisher, for her New York Times bestselling book Twilight Fall. And the details might make you reconsider a career as a novelist. http://feenooy. notlong.com http://feenooy.notlong.com - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoohttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
