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Hello Toby and all, Long time no talk to :-). I have been too ill to read the posts for some time now, and I've had no luck unsubscribing from the Tullochgorum website, so Toby, could you unsubscribe me manually please? Best, Erica Mackenzie P.S. I am posting this to the list at large intentionally, as I don't want to miss an opportunity to be roundly abused in Lallans by Mr Adkins :-). -- best, Erica Mackenzie Megalong Valley, N.S.W. AUSTRALIA Windows© 98 (n) - 32-bit extensions and graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tonic Sol-Fa
Nigel wrote: It was the precursor of ABC notation in the days long before personal computers and the internet. Simple, could be written using a typewriter, able to handle accidentals, upper and lower octaves, rhythm. I believe Gavin Greig used it in his collecting folk song in the North East of Scotland. Sam Henry did the same in Northern Ireland. Paddy Moloney of The Chieftains still uses it, I believe. I've googled Tonic Sol Fa and looked at a number of the sites that aren't about the shlocky group by that name. I'd say that it isn't ready for prime time on the Web. True, a lot of people seem to be familiar with it. But of the songs that I found (and there weren't many), there was very little consistency in the notation, and one would have to put out a huge effort to write code that could make sense of it. We have problems with inconsistent abc, but abc is a paragon of standardization in comparison with tonic sol fa. If people were interested in making it a useful Web notation, we'd want to try to foist a standard syntax on its users to make it tractable to software. This might be easy or difficult, depending on how the established user community reacts. Probably the best way to do it would be to form a small cabal to develop some useful software in stealth mode, together with a few web sites with a lot of the music that the users will want to download. If the online tunes and software are useful to the users, they'll probably jump on the bandwagon. Given that much of the existing user community consists of schools and community choral groups, the best idea might be to develop some java (or javascript) tools to download, play, and edit TSF files. This would make it useful no matter what sort of computer they're on. Provide songs from common songbooks for downloading, and it just might take off. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Unsubscribe
Janice Parton wrote: please unsubscribe me. Tnaks. and Erika wrote: Long time no talk to :-). I have been too ill to read the posts for some time now, and I've had no luck unsubscribing from the Tullochgorum website, so Toby, could you unsubscribe me manually please? Best, Erica Mackenzie P.S. I am posting this to the list at large intentionally, as I don't want to miss an opportunity to be roundly abused in Lallans by Mr Adkins :-). It seems to be easy to get a subscription to this list but almost impossible to get off! What's up with that, Toby? It should be the other way around :-) I also asked to unsubscribe my old Earthlink account a couple weeks ago since I switched ISPs but am still getting double posts of everything! BTW, where IS Colonel Adkins these days? Haven't heard from him in a while! -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Jack's ABCs (was: Few Notes)
Nigel Gatherer wrote: | Jack Campin wrote: | - can you handle a 200-tune file with all the tunes numbered zero? |This is to stop John Chambers' Tune Finder plagiarizing my stuff |by ripping things out of context (which he already has done with |the current version despite my explicit request both in the file |and on this list for him to desist)... | | What did he say? John is, on the strength of his usenet/mailing list | contributions, a decent, fair-minded chap with enough know-how and | ingenuity to create his tune-finding software. I'd bet that with his | considerable abilities he'd be able simply to devise a way of | preserving your material so that it isn't accessible. Hmmm ... I'd thought I did what Jack asked. To my knowledge, my abc tune finder will not return single files from his files that have X:0 for the tunes. I even fixed a bug (which I'd thought a feature ;-) in which the ABC link returned only the tunes and not the surrounding text. For X:0 it now returns the entire file, exactly as the Get link, but with text/vnd.abc as the MIME type. So I'm curious about how I done any ripping, on or off. I'd like to know how my tune finder can be used to extract just one of the tunes from Jack's X:0 files. I don't know how to do it myself. In any case, my search bot has a config file in which I can tell it to ignore a host or a URL (and anything it points to). If anyone wants only part of their abc collection indexed and made available through my tune finder, I can exclude single files or whole directories. (That paragraph was why I decided to post this rather than just sending a note to Jack. I'd like to invite people to tell me if they'd like some of their tunes excluded from my tune finder's indexes. Remember that it can only be done on a per-URL basis. One file or one directory and its subdirectories, or the equivalent with trees of web pages.) One thing I can't do, of course, is prevent someone else from using my links to download a file and chop it up. Nobody can prevent this on someone else's machine. Most abc tools that I know of have the ability to separate out parts of abc files (single tunes, single voices, just melody without chords, whatever). This is natural; music tools that can't do such chopping wouldn't be very useful. The only way I know to effectively prevent this is to not put a file on the web. Also, the main (one might say only) purpose of my tune finder is to locate specific tunes and download them. If you don't want people to do this, maybe it's best if I don't index your files at all. A few people have requested this, and I've put them in my avoid list. They can still potentially be found through the big search sites, but such sites aren't too good at specialized things like abc. | The first thing you've got to do is speak with each other. Tell him | what you want to happen and what you don't want to happen. If you feel | you've already done that, persevere: perhaps there has been a | misunderstanding. Yeah; I thought I understood what Jack wanted, and supplied it. I was obviously wrong. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
