Re: [scots-l] Silvery Voe
Jack Campin writes: | [Tom Anderson] | I don't have the full story, but I remember reading that there | has been an ugly struggle over the rights of his music. | | If the Shetland Times has any say in the matter, don't expect them | to hand over anything free of charge. Remember their lawsuit over | the rival Shetland paper's website? (The first litigation in the | world over plagiarism on the Web, if I remember right). Interesting. I haven't read anything about this story. I had noticed that when I checked various Shetland historical and cultural web sites, I didn't seem to see much mention of him. This did strike me as curious, considering what he did for Shetland's history and culture. Maybe this is the explanation. This is not surprising, of course, but it is a bit disappointing. Tom was one of the people who was really dedicated to bringing Shetland's traditional music to the world. He did a lot to get people involved, especially young people. It's somewhat of a shame that corporate financial interests would interfere with his work. This probably means that I should only use his trad tunes, and try to avoid the ones that he wrote, unless I can get explicit permission to use them. So far, I haven't received any replies to the messages that I sent to a few Shetland sites (including the Shetland Times). This is another example of something that I've suggested a few times in the past: One of the effects of things like ABC on the Internet will be to strengthen the position of traditional music. The world's archives are moving to the Net quickly now, and we are reaching the point that a lot of people use it as their first source of information. If I'm looking for a tune, I'm more likely to use one that I find than one that I don't find. Since there's pressure to not put new music on the Net, I'm more likely to find older music for which there's no copyright problem. And since I'm always under time pressure to find something, what I'll use will more and more be the older material. A quick check with my tune finder with several of Tom's compositions and trad tunes in Ringing Strings shows that this is true now. The trad tunes that I asked for are mostly there (though not always in his versions). His compositions mostly aren't there. So people using the Net to find tunes are less likely to find his compositions than they are to find the trad tunes that he published. Yet another in a long list of examples of why the current concept of intellectual property is doing more harm than good. Well, maybe in another century, someone will discover Tom's tunes in some hard-copy archive and introduce them to the world. I'll go on to something else. There's no shortage of things to keep me busy ... Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Silvery Voe
| John Chambers wrote: | | ...it's on page 37. Here it is... | | Without intending to be aggressive or confrontational, I'm curious | about your stance on this, John. It's a modern tune composed by a | someone who has been dead well short of 70 years; it can be found in a | currently available printed collection. Do you feel that it's OK to | publish it? Hmmm ... Good question. I'd think there are possibly two answers in this case, which may or may not be similar. From what I know of Tom, having only met him a couple of times at musical events and not being anything more than a casual acquaintance, I'd say it's pretty obvious that he would have approved. It was always clear that he was mainly motivated by a desire to get as many people involved with the music as possible. Thus, in Ringing Strings he says about the tunes I hope that fiddlers find something interesting in some of them, and if they get as much enjoyment from playing the tunes as I have had from composing them then I will be very happy. Then he adds Tune up, let's play and dance. This does seem to be consistent with everything else he ever said or wrote. On the other hand, since Tom is gone, his works are now presumably in the hand of various others who may or may not have this generous sort of attitude. In particular, publishers often take a less than open view of people sharing the contents of their publications. There are many cases of publishers taking a radically different attitude than their authors. So maybe it would be worthwhile to inquire about who now owns Tom's tunes, and whether they view the tunes as a source of income or as Tom's gift to the world. A bit of checking on the net didn't quickly turn up information about who now owns the tunes or publications. As near as I can tell, Hand me Doon the Fiddle is out of print. Ringing Strings is for sale by a few outlets, and is probably in print, but it's not in the catalog of the Shetland Times, the publisher of my copy. They do list a book called The Tom Anderson Collection which I'm tempted to order even without seeing what's in it. I wonder who might have it? Or maybe I should just order it from the Shetland Times. One curiosity is that I found a number of references to the Shetland Musical Heritage Trust, including a comment that they're the current publishers of Tom's music, but their web site doesn't seem to mention him anywhere. I also tried to locate some of the names in Ringing Strings, such as Robert Innes and Ian Holland, without much luck. Robert was at the University of Stirling, but they don't list him anywhere, so I suppose he's moved on. Anyway, I've sent off a few email messages about Tom's books and tunes, and maybe I'll get some responses. I've thought for some time that I'd like to see his tunes, both his compositions and his collections of trad tunes, online. The latter we could just do, of course, but we'd want to get permission for the former. Now that the world's archives are rapidly moving online, a good way to memorialize Tom's contributions to the music of Shetland and Scotland would be to make a Tom Anderson site. If his conservators agree ... Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Silvery Voe
[Tom Anderson] I don't have the full story, but I remember reading that there has been an ugly struggle over the rights of his music. If the Shetland Times has any say in the matter, don't expect them to hand over anything free of charge. Remember their lawsuit over the rival Shetland paper's website? (The first litigation in the world over plagiarism on the Web, if I remember right). === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Silvery Voe
John Chambers wrote: ...it's on page 37. Here it is... X: 1 T: The Silvery Voe C: Tom Anderson 1966 B: Ringing Strings p.37 Without intending to be aggressive or confrontational, I'm curious about your stance on this, John. It's a modern tune composed by a someone who has been dead well short of 70 years; it can be found in a currently available printed collection. Do you feel that it's OK to publish it? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Silvery Voe
From: Keith W Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scots-l] The Silvery Voe I've searched the web over and can't find the abc's or a gif or jpg of this tune, The Silvery Voe. It's a Shetland tune on Tom Andersons/Aly Bain's CD The Sliver Bow. Does anyone have this in one of these formats? Orcould you point me in the right direction? AND What's a Voe? or even a Silvery Voe Voe is verry common word on the maps of Shetland. See Sullom Voe, the location of the large Oil Terminal, which is perhaps the most famous. From the map a voe seems to be a body of water such as an inlet or sea-loch - similar to fjord perhaps? Hence the Silvery Voe. I think this is a Tom Anderson Tune and it might be in Ringing Strings or one of the other collections in the same series. Philip W -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Silvery Voe
Philip W writes: | From: Keith W Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: [scots-l] The Silvery Voe | I've searched the web over and can't find the abc's or a gif or jpg of | this tune, The Silvery Voe. It's a Shetland tune on Tom Andersons/Aly | Bain's CD The Sliver Bow. Does anyone have this in one of these | formats? Orcould you point me in the right direction? AND | What's a Voe? or even a Silvery Voe | | Voe is verry common word on the maps of Shetland. See Sullom Voe, the | location of the large Oil Terminal, which is perhaps the most famous. From | the map a voe seems to be a body of water such as an inlet or sea-loch - | similar to fjord perhaps? | | Hence the Silvery Voe. I think this is a Tom Anderson Tune and it might be | in Ringing Strings or one of the other collections in the same series. Yup; it's on page 37. Here it is, with Tom's explanation, and with the somewhat unusual positioning of the pickup to the second part: X: 1 T: The Silvery Voe C: Tom Anderson 1966 B: Ringing Strings p.37 Z: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] N: When the full moon shines down on a Shetland voe in winter the sea appears to be N: shining silver. Composed in the winter of 1966 when driving along Weisdale Voe. N: In the key of F major, as that key to me is always a silver colour. From a tape N: recording of Tom by a student. M: C L: 1/8 K: F C \ [| A3G F2C2 | D2F2 C4 | D2B2 C2A2 | (BA) GF G2C2 | A3G F2C2 | (D2F2) D3B | AC3 B,2G2 | F4 F2 :| AB | (c3A) (f3A) | B3c/d/ (c3A) | B2(dB) A2(cA) | (BA) GF G2AB | (c3A) (f2A2) | B2cd (c3B) | AC3 (A3G) | F3E kFG kAB | (c3A) (f2A2) | B2cd (c3A) | BkdcB AkcBA | (BA)GF G2C2 | F3G F2C2 | D2F2C2B2 | AC3 B,2G2 | F4-F4 |] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
