Re: [scots-l] Tune Archive
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Toby Rider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Chambers wrote: This could be a useful resource to future musical historians. For that matter, it can be useful to people today. I pretty sure I have the rest of them since I moved the list off of listbox and onto the mail server argyll. I'll check this afternoon. Did you? Any plans for a tune archive? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tune Archive
Nigel Gatherer writes: | John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | | There must have been a few ABC notated tunes in the Scots-L | | archives. Would it be desirable/useful/easy/worthwhile to consider | | collecting them together? | | Actually, I've been doing that since early in 2000. Counting the tune | you just posted, I have 49 tunes. They're at: | http://trillial.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/mirror/scots-l/ | | I've just gathered the ones I've kept, and they number 140!. I can put | them on my web site or perhaps they could be housed on the Tulloghgorum | site? Or do you think I should ask permission from the Z: names? Och, | it's all so complicated! Well, I wouldn't expect that you should have to hunt down transcribers for things posted to a mailing list. I'd think there would be an assumption that tunes posted to a list like this will naturally be saved and played by the readers. Why would you post a tune here, after all? One thing that's a bit of a bother is that people post ABC tunes that lack things like the S and Z lines. You really should give proper credit to sources and transcribers. You can often figure this out from the English text, but this information is very easy to lose. We should be encouraging people to put such info in the ABC headers, so it will get carried along with the tune. It's probably a good idea for any online tune archive to include a notice that if any of the tunes are copyrighted, the owners should contact [email addr]. You should offer to remove tunes if the owner objects to them being online in ABC. You should also suggest that an alternative is to keep them online, with a copyright notice plus an email address or URL in the ABC headers. My experience is that tune composers usually approve of online ABC versions, once they understand what ABC is. Most people like their tunes being played, after all. And if the tune contains a pointer back to the copyright owner, it functions as a sort of free ad that makes it easy for people to find more tunes by the same composer, and to quickly get permission if they want to use a tune for some lucrative commercial purposes. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tune Archive
Toby writes: | I've been thinking about this for awhile. About putting up an ABC | respository on the web that has an easy web-based interface that allows | anyone to post an ABC tune to the appropriate tune category, and all the | tunes are stored on the back-end in some database, like MySQL or | PostGres.. | Maybe I can get John Chambers, our resident PERL genius to help out | with the coding. I think I'll call it http://abc-tunes.cyberhub.co.uk | | John, are you up for this idea? Sounds interesting. I've done a bit with online tune entry, though I haven't much advertised it. It could be fun to work on something a bit more general. Using a real database would be an interesting challenge. I haven't done this, mostly because I really can't install and run a database engine on this machine where I have an unprivileged guest account. (Actually, they have given me a few privileges so I could take care of a few things that would otherwise bother the admins. ;-) One question would be how to organize a user-contributed tune classification scheme. There are a lot of ways that one might like to organize tunes. I wonder what a good UI would look like for this? Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tune Archive
John Chambers wrote: Nigel Gatherer writes: | I've just gathered the ones I've kept...do you think I should ask | permission from the Z: names? Well, I wouldn't expect that you should have to hunt down transcribers for things posted to a mailing list. I'd think there would be an assumption that tunes posted to a list like this will naturally be saved and played by the readers. Why would you post a tune here, after all? I know, it was a dumb question, but some people can be touchy about it (are you there, Jack?). One thing that's a bit of a bother is that people post ABC tunes that lack things like the S and Z lines. I've done as much as I can on that, adding Z: lines to all of them, based on the internet headers or sigs in the original emails. Most tunes posted to Scots-L do give sources, so it wasn't very difficult. It's probably a good idea for any online tune archive to include a notice that if any of the tunes are copyrighted, the owners should contact...you should offer to remove tunes if the owner objects... That seems sensible to me. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tune Archive
| On another mailing list, John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I wonder how many more musical mailing lists have tunes in archives? | | There must have been a few ABC notated tunes in the Scots-L archives. | Would it be desirable/useful/easy/worthwhile to consider collecting | them together? Actually, I've been doing that since early in 2000. Counting the tune you just posted, I have 49 tunes. They're at: http://trillial.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/mirror/scots-l/ I'd encourage others to do this, too, for any lists they're on. It can take a bit of time to put the ABC tunes into a usable form. The problem is that you tend to get tunes posted without a title, by someone wondering what the tune is called. Then you get a bunch of replies that give the title and maybe other information about the tune, all in English. No software can ever extract this information. So you hunt down the replies (which aren't always recognized as a thread by mail readers due to mangling of the subject or message-id lines), and you do a bunch of editing. My Tune Finder does have a couple of mailing-list archives in its list of places to search, but it is quite unsuccessful at extracting ABC tunes from them, for the above reasons. It does a much better job when someone has taken the time to combine the messages into one ABC file with the info in the header lines. This takes sufficient work that I find myself being lazy and missing some of them. And I'm not sure I always find all the information that people post. So I'd encourage others to do the same, and put the tunes on their web site. This could be a useful resource to future musical historians. For that matter, it can be useful to people today. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tune Archive
Just another note to say that my band the Whistlebinkies did a live webcast from the Edinburgh Festival for BBC Radio 3 last Tuesday evening. The show can still be accessed at the following: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/edinburgh/ram/edjunction.ram Sound and pictures are a bit ropey, but - hey its the BBC! Our bit is clip 4 at the end - after earlier spots by a flamenco band and Jackie Leven. I'm the bald one with the glasses. If anyone is able to save the clip for me I'd be eternally grateful - there's a free CD in it. Stuart Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
