Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
John Chambers wrote: Just a comment from a couple of weeks back: I did take versions of the two tunes called Gramachree along to the dance event, and it was pretty much agreed that neither of these tunes was what was needed. The jig was out because the dance is a strathspey. The air was a more likely fit, since airs are sometimes used for strathspeys. But we just couldn't make it sound right. So we picked some random strathspey tunes that we knew, and the dancers seemed happy. Maybe there's a version of Gramachree that we don't know of, that would work for an air-type strathspey. The usual sources for Scottish dances seem to imply that Gramachie is a tune that everyone should know. But none of us seem to know it, and it isn't in any of our books. The dance was published by Miss Milligan (Miscellany v.2) without a tune, and she also implied that the tune was well-known. Maybe I should ask on the strathspey list, for future reference. | Looks like a minor spelling problem. According to Andrew Kuntz: | | GRAD(H) MO CROID(H)E. AKA and see The harp that once through Tara's | halls, Gramachree, Gramachree Molly, Will you go to Flanders, | Little Molly O. Irish, Air (4/4 time). D Major. Standard. AB. Roche | Collection, 1983, Vol. 1; No. 28, pg. 15. | | Recognise it now? | | Ted | | | -Original Message- | From: John Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 28 November 2001 21:52 | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call | | Nigel writes: | | I demand that: |... | | OK, you get the idea: unless this mailing list really is as dead as | | Patie Birnie's mare, let's get some action going. I've never known it | | to be as quiet as this. Me? Oh no, I've no time for such frivolities. | | Talk to me, people! | | Heh. One question that just came up here: Can I play a tune called | Gramachie? Well, no, I can't, because I can't find it anywhere. My | Tune Finder has never heard of it, and none of the pile of trad tune | books on my shelf seems to contain it. The title sounds somehow | familiar, but I can't think of how it sounds. Anyone out there know | it? Got an abc version? Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html George Ogle's song Gramachree Molly (Molly Ashtore/ As down on Banna's Banks I strayed) was apparently first published with music in 'The London Magazine', Sept., 1774 (BUCEM). Song and tune are in 'The Scots Musical Museum', I, #46, 1787, Ogle's song being the 2nd song to the tune. An ABC of the SMM tune and a copy of Will you go to Flanders from Oswalds CPC are in file S2.HTM on my website. Over a dozen early copies of the tune are listed in the Irish tune title index on my website. 'Gramachree' is corrupt Gaelic for 'love of my heart'. Bruce Olson Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep at it; muddling through always works. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
Steve Wyrick wrote: | John Chambers wrote: | Hmmm ... So none of them could find the tune, either. | Maybe it was a tune known only to Miss Milligan. | | The RSCDS usually publishes the title tunes along with the dances so I'd | think it would be available. Maybe it's just not a very interesting tune? | I'll keep my eyes open for a copy of Miss Milligan's Miscellany. -Steve It won't help. I've seen the MMM books, and they contain only dance descriptions. They suggest tunes by name, but don't contain the tunes. Even their regular booklet series does a bit of this. They typically have a tune or two on the left-side page, but they will often suggest one or two alternative tunes by name. This is typically done for pipe tunes. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
Re the dance Gramachie: the Ramsay Index (cross references Scottish country dances and tunes used in recordings for same) lists no _tune_ named Gramachie; apparently this has been arranger/band-leader's choice. However, the source for the dance itself does hint that there is an original tune for it. Peter McClure Winnipeg, MB Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
Just a comment from a couple of weeks back: I did take versions of the two tunes called Gramachree along to the dance event, and it was pretty much agreed that neither of these tunes was what was needed. The jig was out because the dance is a strathspey. The air was a more likely fit, since airs are sometimes used for strathspeys. But we just couldn't make it sound right. So we picked some random strathspey tunes that we knew, and the dancers seemed happy. Maybe there's a version of Gramachree that we don't know of, that would work for an air-type strathspey. The usual sources for Scottish dances seem to imply that Gramachie is a tune that everyone should know. But none of us seem to know it, and it isn't in any of our books. The dance was published by Miss Milligan (Miscellany v.2) without a tune, and she also implied that the tune was well-known. Maybe I should ask on the strathspey list, for future reference. | Looks like a minor spelling problem. According to Andrew Kuntz: | | GRAD(H) MO CROID(H)E. AKA and see The harp that once through Tara's | halls, Gramachree, Gramachree Molly, Will you go to Flanders, | Little Molly O. Irish, Air (4/4 time). D Major. Standard. AB. Roche | Collection, 1983, Vol. 1; No. 28, pg. 15. | | Recognise it now? | | Ted | | | -Original Message- | From: John Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 28 November 2001 21:52 | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call | | Nigel writes: | | I demand that: |... | | OK, you get the idea: unless this mailing list really is as dead as | | Patie Birnie's mare, let's get some action going. I've never known it | | to be as quiet as this. Me? Oh no, I've no time for such frivolities. | | Talk to me, people! | | Heh. One question that just came up here: Can I play a tune called | Gramachie? Well, no, I can't, because I can't find it anywhere. My | Tune Finder has never heard of it, and none of the pile of trad tune | books on my shelf seems to contain it. The title sounds somehow | familiar, but I can't think of how it sounds. Anyone out there know | it? Got an abc version? Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
Steve Wyrick writes: [about Gramachie] | I know I've danced this dance but I don't remember anything about the tune! | I checked the RSCDS DanceData database web interface, which lists the dance | along with recordings of music for it. You might be interested in checking | out what tunes other musicians have recorded for it; maybe some of those are | more available. Here's the URL for the DanceData entry: | http://www.strathspey.org/dd/dance/2631/view . If you click on the track | entries under Tunes you'll go to the tune list for each recording. What's | interesting to me is that of the 3 recordings listed, none includes the | title tune in the set! Hope this helps. -Steve Hmmm ... So none of them could find the tune, either. Maybe it was a tune known only to Miss Milligan. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
John Chambers wrote: Steve Wyrick writes: [about Gramachie] | I know I've danced this dance but I don't remember anything about the tune! | I checked the RSCDS DanceData database web interface, which lists the dance | along with recordings of music for it. You might be interested in checking | out what tunes other musicians have recorded for it; maybe some of those are | more available. Here's the URL for the DanceData entry: | http://www.strathspey.org/dd/dance/2631/view . If you click on the track | entries under Tunes you'll go to the tune list for each recording. What's | interesting to me is that of the 3 recordings listed, none includes the | title tune in the set! Hope this helps. -Steve Hmmm ... So none of them could find the tune, either. Maybe it was a tune known only to Miss Milligan. The RSCDS usually publishes the title tunes along with the dances so I'd think it would be available. Maybe it's just not a very interesting tune? I'll keep my eyes open for a copy of Miss Milligan's Miscellany. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Concord, CA Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
Jack Campin wrote: [re Circus Tunes] Absolutely *not* performable by lady fiddlers in tight bodices and short skirts balanced on one shapely leg on horseback, if that's what you're imagining. This is most disappointing. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Wake Up Call
I demand that: Stan Reeves continues the next instalment of his memoirs including full scandal, name-dropping, confession and damned lies. Charles Gore explains JUST what he is doing with his time that he can't comment on the best ukulele strings for a Scottish sound, or who played Zither in the 1973-and-a-half incarnation of the infamous Cumbernauld afghan-coat-wearing folk group The Tulla Band. Jack Campin outlines his plans for any exciting CD-Rom song-and-tune collections he might be considering. If he were thinking of such an outrageous project, what form would it take? HTML? David South gives us his opinion on the better pre-WW2 melodeon players. Andrew Kuntz tells us his current favourite tune. OK, you get the idea: unless this mailing list really is as dead as Patie Birnie's mare, let's get some action going. I've never known it to be as quiet as this. Me? Oh no, I've no time for such frivolities. Talk to me, people! -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
Charles Gore explains JUST what he is doing with his time that he can't comment on the best ukulele strings for a Scottish sound, or who played Zither in the 1973-and-a-half incarnation of the infamous Cumbernauld afghan-coat-wearing folk group The Tulla Band. I spoke to him at Fiddle 2001 and he says he's off-line until his computer gets something done to it. I suspect his ISP's crummy software has blown a gasket. Jack Campin outlines his plans for any exciting CD-Rom song-and-tune collections he might be considering. If he were thinking of such an outrageous project, what form would it take? HTML? http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/embro/ . === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
Nigel writes: | I demand that: ... | OK, you get the idea: unless this mailing list really is as dead as | Patie Birnie's mare, let's get some action going. I've never known it | to be as quiet as this. Me? Oh no, I've no time for such frivolities. | Talk to me, people! Heh. One question that just came up here: Can I play a tune called Gramachie? Well, no, I can't, because I can't find it anywhere. My Tune Finder has never heard of it, and none of the pile of trad tune books on my shelf seems to contain it. The title sounds somehow familiar, but I can't think of how it sounds. Anyone out there know it? Got an abc version? Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
Looks like a minor spelling problem. According to Andrew Kuntz: GRAD(H) MO CROID(H)E. AKA and see The harp that once through Tara's halls, Gramachree, Gramachree Molly, Will you go to Flanders, Little Molly O. Irish, Air (4/4 time). D Major. Standard. AB. Roche Collection, 1983, Vol. 1; No. 28, pg. 15. Recognise it now? Ted -Original Message- From: John Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 28 November 2001 21:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call Nigel writes: | I demand that: ... | OK, you get the idea: unless this mailing list really is as dead as | Patie Birnie's mare, let's get some action going. I've never known it | to be as quiet as this. Me? Oh no, I've no time for such frivolities. | Talk to me, people! Heh. One question that just came up here: Can I play a tune called Gramachie? Well, no, I can't, because I can't find it anywhere. My Tune Finder has never heard of it, and none of the pile of trad tune books on my shelf seems to contain it. The title sounds somehow familiar, but I can't think of how it sounds. Anyone out there know it? Got an abc version? Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Wake Up Call
In a message dated 11/28/2001 5:53:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heh. One question that just came up here: Can I play a tune called "Gramachie"? Well, no, I can't, because I can't find it anywhere. Well, I'll take a stab. Is it this'n? Regards, Andrew Kuntz GRAMACHREE. AKA and see Will you go to Flanders?, The harp that once through Tara's halls, Molly Asthore, Little Molly O, Graidh mo chroidhe, Gramachree Molly. Irish, Air. A tune dating from the time of the Confederation of Kilkenny (1642-1648) as it is alluded to in a pamphlet in Dublin in 1737, and purloined; asserts Flood (1906), by James Oswald in 1742. The song of the above title is by the Rt. Hon. George Ogle (1742-1814), who represented the City of Dublin in Grattan's Parliament and voted against the Union with Britain. ‘Gramachree’ is an Englished version of the Irish “Gra Mo Croi” (Graidh mo chroidhe), or ‘love of my heart.’ The song appears in Songs of the Gael, 1st series (1922), and begins: *** As down by Banna's banks I strayed One evening in May, The little birds, in blithest notes Made vocal every spray. They sang their little notes of love, They sung them o'er and o'er. Ah! Gra Machree ma Cholleen Oge, 'Shee Molly veg Mashtore! *** A noteto the song indicates the editor of i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'Songsof the Gael was given his verison of the air by a priest who had taken thetune down some fifty years before from quot;the singing of an old woman inCounty Carlow, who was then nearly a hundred years old. She had learned theversion from her grandmother.quot; X:1 T:Gramachree M:6/8 L:1/8 Q:160 S:Playford K:F F| d2 e f2 d| e^cA A2 A| d2 e f3 g|afd d2f/2g/2|agf gfe|fed cBA| G2 A B 2 G| AFD D2 ::\ F| FGF F2f| f2 d cAF|G2 A B2G|AFD D2 F |FGF F2 f|f2 d cAF |G2 A B2 G|AF D D2:|
