Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Cynthia Cathcart]

At 07:41 PM 10/12/02 +0100, you wrote:
>Are you sure that's correct? As I understood it, the copyright last for
>75 years after the artist's death, so if someone's work was published
>in 1921 and he or she died in 1928, it's still under copyright.

In the United States, anything published prior to January 1, 1923 is in the 
public domain.

It has something to do with the Berne Convention and then the changes made 
by the Sonny Bono Copyright laws, and while I have Circular 22 from the 
Library of Congress (which manages copyright in the U.S.) here in front of 
me, I still can't really make sense of it. However, when I was writing my 
first book of tunes for the harp (all folksongs), I personally went to the 
copyright office in the LoC and begged them to help me clarify this.

They explained everything quite clearly, which I can't begin to do, but 
they did write across the front of the Circular for me "anything prior to 
Jan. 1, 1923." This was confirmed for me when I actually went into the 
copyright records in the Library to research the tunes. It was common 
knowledge among all the researchers and staff there.

So, I take that as "good enough" for me. Additionally, I based my copyright 
application specifically on that date and I did get approval.

Now, for things published AFTER this magic date, the rules change mightily. 
Rather than try to understand them, I just stay in the past! (Or write my 
own music, or commission it...)

--Cynthia Cathcart
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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Carla and Bob Rogers]

Nigel Gatherer wrote:


Bob Rogers wrote:

 

I keep reading in various sources that anything published before 1922
is considered in the public domain (at least here in the States)...
   


Are you sure that's correct? As I understood it, the copyright last for
75 years after the artist's death, 

I know you're in Scotland, and you might have different copyright laws 
than we have, especially regarding things from the early part of the 
last century. There might be an interesting situation whereby I can 
publish Skinner's works on my website, but you can't look at them

At the very end of this post is a bit from Circular 15a, located on the 
Library of Congress website ( http://www.loc.gov/copyright ) --  [...] 
indicates material removed by me. The second to the last line is the 
most interesting. For works published prior to 1950, the longest 
possible copyright in the USA is 95 years (under present law).

You may like to look at the following website, which gives expiration 
dates in the USA based on when the work was published. It states that 
anything published before 1923 is public domain.

http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm

The next website has a lot of details on the suit currently in front of 
the US Supreme Court on the constitutionality of the "Mickey Mouse 
Protection Act," (Or is that the "Sony Bono Copyright Term Extention Act"?)

http://www.law.asu.edu/HomePages/Karjala/OpposingCopyrightExtension/

How Mickey Mouse relates to copyright:
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20020305_sprigman.html

Finally, a nifty website on public domain music
http://www.pdinfo.com/default.htm

Bob

/begin quote from _Circular 15a_:
Protection Duration Under the Previous Law

Under the law in effect before 1978, [...]
In either case, the copyright lasted for a first
term of 28 years from the date it was secured. The copyright
was eligible for renewal during the last (28th) year of
the first term. [...]

Effect of the Present Law on Length of Subsisting Copyrights

The old system of computing the duration of protection
was carried over into the 1976 statute with one major
change: the length of the second term is increased to
67 years. Thus, the maximum total term of copyright
[... increased ...]  to 95 years (a first term of 28
years plus a renewal term of 67 years).

/end quote



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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Steve Wyrick]

Jack Campin wrote:

> American copyright law is weird and American copyright law on broad-
> casting is even weirder.  Anybody know how it ever came about that
> US radio broadcasters don't pay any royalties?

Can that be right?  I don't know much about American copyright law but I do
know BMI collects royalties from radio stations for songs played and
distributes them to songwriters who are members. -Steve
-- 
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"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee -- that says: Fool me once, shame on [pause] shame on you. [pause]
Fool me... you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush

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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Carla and Bob Rogers]

Jack Campin wrote:


Simply putting raw scans[of Skinner's work] on-line would be better.
 

Wouldn't there be some copyright issues with raw scans though?
   


 


I keep reading in various sources that anything published before 1922 is 
considered in the public domain (at least here in the States). _Harp and 
Claymore_, for instance was first published in 1903,  I think. Looking 
through it, it seems mostly generic notation.

Bob
South Carolina


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RE: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Ted Hastings]

I stand corrected.  However, I tink a lot of the problems you list are
resolvable by intelligent use of the words/chords features in abc - ie: 
they're mostly added text.

I also think it's useful to distinguish between what the abc specification
allows and what particular player or print programs do.

Regards,

Ted

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> 
> 
> >> No can do.  Skinner's books use a lot of fiddle-specific notation that
> >> ABC can't represent.
> > I'm not convinced.  Could you give us some examples?
> 
> Opening "The Scottish Violinist" at random, I hit page 48.  All the
> tunes on the page have fermatas, which are doable in most current
> implementations of ABC but I think not in the same way.
> 
> "The Rolling Spey" has:
> 
> - dal segno (not specified in ABC so any player program can use it),
>   with the segno placed between a gracenote group and the following
>   note (that's going to be a fun one to implement)
> - last-time-round ending (also not an ABC control structure)
> - finger numbers
> - crescendos and diminuendos across several notes, in one case with
>   a sforzando hairpin within the scope of the diminuendo
> - indications "4 bows", "16" and "12 bows" for three bars
> - straight slurs between staccato notes
> - ties between notes marked as staccato
> - double stops on the same note with one of them having a slurred
>   gracenote, (^d[e2)e2] - you *can* write that in ABC but I doubt if
>   any two programs will interpret it the same way
> 
> "Professor Blackie" adds:
> 
> - alternate individual notes for first and second time (at least
>   I presume they aren't meant as double stops)
> - acciaccaturas
> - looped ties (is that what you call them? - between the last two notes)
> 
> "The Editor's Farewell" adds:
> 
> - harmonics (that's what the circles on the e' and some other notes
>   mean, I think?)
> - a kind of accent marked by a staccato dot with a dash under it
>   (at the end of bar 4)
> 
> All three tunes have both a "genre" marking and "how to play it" marking
> in different typefaces.
> 
> On the facing page, "Hector the Hero" has a sample verse of the text
> under the title, "Sarona" adds "rit. ... a tempo", and "Delnabo" has
> turn-with-a-sharp (something long overdue in ABC), nested slurs (which
> not all ABC software will get right or use the same syntax for) and
> apparently wants something stopped with the 6th finger, which suggests
> Skinner was wanting violinists to evolve as well as their notation.
> 
> Perhaps no one fiddler will use all of that detail but representability
> in ABC shouldn't be the criterion for what to leave out.
> 
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RE: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Jack Campin]

>> No can do.  Skinner's books use a lot of fiddle-specific notation that
>> ABC can't represent.
> I'm not convinced.  Could you give us some examples?

Opening "The Scottish Violinist" at random, I hit page 48.  All the
tunes on the page have fermatas, which are doable in most current
implementations of ABC but I think not in the same way.

"The Rolling Spey" has:

- dal segno (not specified in ABC so any player program can use it),
  with the segno placed between a gracenote group and the following
  note (that's going to be a fun one to implement)
- last-time-round ending (also not an ABC control structure)
- finger numbers
- crescendos and diminuendos across several notes, in one case with
  a sforzando hairpin within the scope of the diminuendo
- indications "4 bows", "16" and "12 bows" for three bars
- straight slurs between staccato notes
- ties between notes marked as staccato
- double stops on the same note with one of them having a slurred
  gracenote, (^d[e2)e2] - you *can* write that in ABC but I doubt if
  any two programs will interpret it the same way

"Professor Blackie" adds:

- alternate individual notes for first and second time (at least
  I presume they aren't meant as double stops)
- acciaccaturas
- looped ties (is that what you call them? - between the last two notes)

"The Editor's Farewell" adds:

- harmonics (that's what the circles on the e' and some other notes
  mean, I think?)
- a kind of accent marked by a staccato dot with a dash under it
  (at the end of bar 4)

All three tunes have both a "genre" marking and "how to play it" marking
in different typefaces.

On the facing page, "Hector the Hero" has a sample verse of the text
under the title, "Sarona" adds "rit. ... a tempo", and "Delnabo" has
turn-with-a-sharp (something long overdue in ABC), nested slurs (which
not all ABC software will get right or use the same syntax for) and
apparently wants something stopped with the 6th finger, which suggests
Skinner was wanting violinists to evolve as well as their notation.

Perhaps no one fiddler will use all of that detail but representability
in ABC shouldn't be the criterion for what to leave out.

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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Jack Campin]

>> Simply putting raw scans[of Skinner's work] on-line would be better.
> Wouldn't there be some copyright issues with raw scans though?

The Lester Levy sheet music collection is mostly stuff published in
Skinner's lifetime, and they seem to have found a way round it; they
are high-profile enough that the publishers, if still in business,
*must* have noticed them.  Pity their scans aren't better...

There is also an Argentinian tango scores site with even more recent
material, and even worse scan quality.


> BTW, I recently had to stop broadcasting Scottish music over the
> Internet because of the CARP ruling:
> http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting_rates_final.html 
> Copyright always gets you in the end.

Gone before I ever got a connection fast enough to try it.  Damn.

American copyright law is weird and American copyright law on broad-
casting is even weirder.  Anybody know how it ever came about that
US radio broadcasters don't pay any royalties?

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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Steve Wyrick]

Ted Hastings wrote:

> Nigel:
> this was an interesting response, but did you really need to send it twice?
> Or is the Scots-L software acting up again?
> 

Yes it is.  I just got Nigel's original message, dated 10/4. -Steve
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RE: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Ted Hastings]

I'm not convinced.  Could you give us some examples?

Regards,

Ted


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> Sent: 11 October 2002 00:12
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books
> 
> 
> >| Anyway, I'm sure the world needs plenty more tunebooks, so why 
> don't you
> >| give it ago? The need for a "Complete Scott Skinner" has already been
> >| mentioned, so how about it - I don't think anyone will be 
> chasing you re
> >| copyright.
> > How about a "Complete Scott Skinner" ABC  project,  to  put
> > all  his  tunes  online?   When we finish it, we could do a
> > quick conversion to PDF and publish it ...
> 
> No can do.  Skinner's books use a lot of fiddle-specific notation that
> ABC can't represent.  And for this music, it matters.  There is no point
> in doing a project on this scale in such a way that it needs to be done
> all over again in a few years.
> 
> And no it would NOT do to simply code up some quick abcm2ps-style hacks
> to reproduce Skinner's notational graphics.  That would simply create
> hostages to fortune as there is no telling what people or their programs
> would interpret them as in future.  The right way to do it is for a
> human editor to figure out what they mean, and for ABC to evolve so as
> to represent that meaning unambiguously in an agreed way.  Meanwhile,
> it's not the right tool.  Simply putting raw scans on-line would be
> better.
> 
> 
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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Toby Rider]

Jack Campin wrote:

> 
> And no it would NOT do to simply code up some quick abcm2ps-style hacks
> to reproduce Skinner's notational graphics.  That would simply create
> hostages to fortune as there is no telling what people or their programs
> would interpret them as in future.  The right way to do it is for a
> human editor to figure out what they mean, and for ABC to evolve so as
> to represent that meaning unambiguously in an agreed way.  Meanwhile,
> it's not the right tool.  Simply putting raw scans on-line would be
> better.

Wouldn't there be some copyright issues with raw scans though? BTW, I 
recently had to stop broadcasting Scottish music over the Internet 
because of the CARP ruling:

http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting_rates_final.html

Copyright always gets you in the end.


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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[John Chambers]

Ted writes some more:
| > Ted writes:
| > | Anyway, I'm sure the world needs plenty more tunebooks, so why don't you
| > | give it ago? The need for a "Complete Scott Skinner" has already been
| > | mentioned, so how about it - I don't think anyone will be chasing you re
| > | copyright.
| >
| > How about a "Complete Scott Skinner" ABC  project,  to  put
| > all  his  tunes  online?   When we finish it, we could do a
| > quick conversion to PDF and publish it ...
| >
| > Any volunteers to start transcribing?  We  could  start  by
| > asking  people  to send in what they have now, after making
| > sure that there's a B:  header  line  in  every  tune  that
| > documents the source.
|
| Excellent idea!  I'd be happy to contribute some ABCs, but not
| "The President". I'm not so sure about ABCs that people have
| already done - I think a lot of these may be from recordings or
| sessions rather than the original tunebooks.

Yeah; any serious ABC transcription  project  is  going  to
insist  that  you  use the original book.  All the projects
that I know of have taken a "warts and all"  approach,  and
tried to get as close to the original as ABC will permit.

You may not play it like they did back then, but if  you're
going  to  put  someone else's name on your collection, you
should have their versions of the tunes.

| > You're too late to get in on the O'Neill's Project; we have
| > his 3 major tomes as ABC. (But if you know of any more odds
| > and ends of his lying about, we'd welcome them.)
|
| Which books do you already have? I have a few of his odder ones
| lying about.

All of the "1850", "Dance Music of Ireland", and "Waifs and
Strays"  are  in  ABC  now.  I have copies of them all, and
there are some mirrors around on the Web. I've read of some
other books that he published, but I haven't seen them.  If
you want to contribute to the O'Neill's  ABC  archive,  and
have  one  of  the  others, I'd be happy to add them to the
collection.

But back to Skinner's music ...


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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Jack Campin]

>| Anyway, I'm sure the world needs plenty more tunebooks, so why don't you
>| give it ago? The need for a "Complete Scott Skinner" has already been
>| mentioned, so how about it - I don't think anyone will be chasing you re
>| copyright.
> How about a "Complete Scott Skinner" ABC  project,  to  put
> all  his  tunes  online?   When we finish it, we could do a
> quick conversion to PDF and publish it ...

No can do.  Skinner's books use a lot of fiddle-specific notation that
ABC can't represent.  And for this music, it matters.  There is no point
in doing a project on this scale in such a way that it needs to be done
all over again in a few years.

And no it would NOT do to simply code up some quick abcm2ps-style hacks
to reproduce Skinner's notational graphics.  That would simply create
hostages to fortune as there is no telling what people or their programs
would interpret them as in future.  The right way to do it is for a
human editor to figure out what they mean, and for ABC to evolve so as
to represent that meaning unambiguously in an agreed way.  Meanwhile,
it's not the right tool.  Simply putting raw scans on-line would be
better.


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RE: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Ted Hastings]

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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
> Ted writes:
> | Nigel:
> | this was an interesting response, but did you really need
> to send it twice?
> | Or is the Scots-L software acting up again?
> |
> | Anyway, I'm sure the world needs plenty more tunebooks, so why don't you
> | give it ago? The need for a "Complete Scott Skinner" has already been
> | mentioned, so how about it - I don't think anyone will be chasing you re
> | copyright.
>
> How about a "Complete Scott Skinner" ABC  project,  to  put
> all  his  tunes  online?   When we finish it, we could do a
> quick conversion to PDF and publish it ...
>
> Any volunteers to start transcribing?  We  could  start  by
> asking  people  to send in what they have now, after making
> sure that there's a B:  header  line  in  every  tune  that
> documents the source.

Excellent idea!  I'd be happy to contribute some ABCs, but not
"The President". I'm not so sure about ABCs that people have
already done - I think a lot of these may be from recordings or
sessions rather than the original tunebooks.

> I also have a Ryan/Cole project going, with  a  few  people
> doing that transcription. Anyone with a copy of either book
> and a few free hours is welcome to contribute.
>
> You're too late to get in on the O'Neill's Project; we have
> his 3 major tomes as ABC. (But if you know of any more odds
> and ends of his lying about, we'd welcome them.)

Which books do you already have? I have a few of his odder ones
lying about.

Regards,

Ted

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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[John Chambers]

Ted writes:
| Nigel:
|   this was an interesting response, but did you really need to send it twice?
| Or is the Scots-L software acting up again?
|
| Anyway, I'm sure the world needs plenty more tunebooks, so why don't you
| give it ago? The need for a "Complete Scott Skinner" has already been
| mentioned, so how about it - I don't think anyone will be chasing you re
| copyright.

How about a "Complete Scott Skinner" ABC  project,  to  put
all  his  tunes  online?   When we finish it, we could do a
quick conversion to PDF and publish it ...

Any volunteers to start transcribing?  We  could  start  by
asking  people  to send in what they have now, after making
sure that there's a B:  header  line  in  every  tune  that
documents the source.

I also have a Ryan/Cole project going, with  a  few  people
doing that transcription. Anyone with a copy of either book
and a few free hours is welcome to contribute.

You're too late to get in on the O'Neill's Project; we have
his 3 major tomes as ABC. (But if you know of any more odds
and ends of his lying about, we'd welcome them.)

In scale, neither of these comes  close  to  Johnny  Adams'
Village Music Project ...


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RE: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Ted Hastings]

Nigel:
this was an interesting response, but did you really need to send it twice?
Or is the Scots-L software acting up again?

Anyway, I'm sure the world needs plenty more tunebooks, so why don't you
give it ago? The need for a "Complete Scott Skinner" has already been
mentioned, so how about it - I don't think anyone will be chasing you re
copyright.

Regards,

Ted


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> Subject: [scots-l] Re: Music source books
>
>
> Ted Hastings wrote:
>
> > Jack Campin wrote:
>
> > > ...I have never had much time for the Balnain House approach of
> > > gratuitous rewrites of pipe tunes for the fiddle, shifting mode and
> > > range, with no indication of what they've done;
>
> > Despite the fact that my list doesn't include a single book published
> > by Balnain House...
>
> What Jack meant, I'm sure, was Taigh na Teud (who published half of
> your selections), and I have sympathy for both his opinion and yours.
> TnT happened to produce collections of Scottish-biased tunes at a time
> when people wanted such collections, and they managed to fulfil that
> need successfully and at the right time. (It was once my intention to
> do the same thing, so bear in mind I'm speaking from more than a little
> jealousy here.) I own several of these books, and indeed use them at
> times, but they frustrate me. They almost never give sources for the
> tunes they use and no background information is given. The keys they
> sometimes use baffle me. Their collections of fiddle tunes appear to be
> made up of an awful lot of pipe tunes. Their use of Gaelic puzzles me.
> Occasionally their choices are dubious (The River Cree is the name of
> the dance. The tune is "Humours of Donnybrook") The lack of a good
> index annoys me, and damn it all, they just didn't make AS GOOD A JOB
> OF IT AS I WOULD HAVE!
>
> Having said that, they actually went ahead and did it, and have
> provided tunes in their collections which would be difficult to get
> elsewhere, and, most importantly of all, their books are popular and
> widely available.
>
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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Rita Hamilton]

Ok, I'm going back to sleep and see if I can get my brain twisted back into
correct shape!

Nigel Gatherer wrote:
> 
> Rita Hamilton wrote:
> 
> > NONONONONO it was the Brian Boru that I wanted you to hear w/o
> > interference
> 
> That IS track 17!
> 
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May your harp and your soul always be in tune.
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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Rita Hamilton]

NONONONONO it was the Brian Boru that I wanted you to hear w/o interference

Nigel Gatherer wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Cynthia Cathcart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 04:10 PM 10/4/02 +0100, you wrote:
> 
> > >I've been straining my ears to hear bells and antipodean growls on
> > >the CD
> 
> > ...It's...only on Track 17.
> 
> That explains it then: Rita made me promise only to listen to that
> track on a misty evening, and I have tended to stop the CD when
> arriving at that track (we've had a lovely Indian summer in these
> parts, but I've a feeling it won't be long before I'm allowed to hear
> the mysterious "Track 17" in all its glory.
> 
> --
> Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland
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May your harp and your soul always be in tune.
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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Jack Campin]

>> I'm wondering just what you would use as your music source books.
>> Would you mind sharing?
> Hi Rita. Luckily I had compiled such a list back at the beginning of
> April, so here goes:
>1. Clan Dumphries Miscellany - a collection of sheep-calls,
>   cattle-summoning songs, mussel-sellers' ditties, etc,
>   adapted for the German Flute and Harp

I recognize that!  It's a shameless plagiarism of the Newtongrange
Collection.  The tunes all started in Edinburgh - originally shanties
from the shovellers who went round the closes collecting fertilizer
in the mornings, marches from guilds like the Leather Basque Makers
of Broughton, restaurant-owners' songs for enticing pigeons and stray
cats, etc.


Ted Hastings wrote:
>> I have never had much time for the Balnain House approach of gratuitous
>> rewrites of pipe tunes for the fiddle, shifting mode and range, with no
>> indication of what they've done;
> Despite the fact that my list doesn't include a single book published by
> Balnain House.

Fair cop, I was mixing them up with Taigh na Teud.

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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Jack Campin]

>> The RSCDS Books (several volumes, but the early ones are best)
>> Lots of good tunes from various sources, and the odd not bad
>> contemporary one.
> I always found that they tended to butcher tunes in those. I can't 
> remember a specific example, but something for certain gave me that 
> impression about them.

They have an irritating habit of replacing the original tune for a dance
with something entirely unrelated and which doesn't obviously work any
better.


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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Jack Campin]

> The Popular Songs and Melodies of Scotland
> GF Graham published a one-volume edition of a formerly three-volume
> collection of Scottish songs. I often play through it, and I like his
> choice. He was another who seems extensively to have researched
> Scottish music, and his copious notes are valuable for anyone
> interested in tune histories. Not currently in print.

I have seen one of these in a shop recently (in a not-all-obvious place).
I didn't buy it as I've already got one, but if anybody on this list
*really* wants one I can try retracing my steps to look for it again.
It's heavy and will be expensive to post.



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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Toby Rider]

Nigel Gatherer wrote:

> So it's not just me, then? I've been straining my ears to hear bells
> and antipodean growls on the CD - thought it may have been too subtle
> for my cauliflower ears.

Were you a wrestler in a former life?




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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Toby Rider]

Nigel Gatherer wrote:

> The RSCDS Books (several volumes, but the early ones are best)
> Lots of good tunes from various sources, and the odd not bad
> contemporary one.

I always found that they tended to butcher tunes in those. I can't 
remember a specific example, but something for certain gave me that 
impression about them.




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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Cynthia Cathcart]

At 04:10 PM 10/4/02 +0100, you wrote:
>I've been straining my ears to hear bells
>and antipodean growls on the CD

The bells are at the very end of the CD. The "growls" from the didj are so 
obvious that folks miss them, thinking it's some other instrument. Tim 
Whittemore, the didj player, actually barked and yelped into the didj. It's 
not all low tones, so be sure to listen in the high register as well. (It's 
also only on Track 17. The only instruments on that track are drums, the 
didj, and wire-strung harp.)

Cauliflower ears must make it difficult for you to find hats that fit.

--Cynthia Cathcart



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Re: [scots-l] Re: Music source books

[Cynthia Cathcart]

At 09:24 AM 10/4/02 +0100, you wrote:
>6. Cathcart's Selection - Music for the wire strung harp, didjuridu and
>cathedral bells.

Nigel, you are too funny. But I just thought I should let you know, the 
cathedral bell part has not been written out, so sorry! It's not there! 
(Neither is the didj part. We couldn't agree on how to notate the growls 
and barks.)

Did you get a copy of the CD from Rita? What did you think? (Or does being 
included in your prestigious list before "Gatherer's Musical Gumption" 
provide my answer?)   :-D

On a less cheerful note, y'all need to go easy on Silver Spring, Maryland. 
We've had a rash of "random shootings" here (no kidding) and our schools 
are all locked down to keep the kids inside and this maniac outside. Trying 
not to repeat history...

--Cynthia Cathcart
http://www.cynthiacathcart.net/


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