Re: [Scottish] IRC Debate logs

2003-12-24 Thread William Anderson
Tony Dyer wrote:
Nice to see how you act when someone challenges your views.
So your colours are showed true here.
Tony Dyer.
[entire previous message including irc log snippage]
If you are going to suggest list membership be a prerequisite for LUG 
membership and communication, can you at least trim previous replies in 
your posts to the list? :(

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Re: [Scottish] IRC Debate logs

2003-12-22 Thread Tony Dyer
Nice to see how you act when someone challenges your views.
So your colours are showed true here.
Tony Dyer.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kyle Gordon 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
For those that care, we have recently had a heated debate on #scotlug 
about the future and the direction of SLUG as a group. I am posting the 
logs for completeness and so that those who are not on IRC or have no 
interest in it can see what would otherwise be called 'behind the scenes'

It's all open to your interpratation. The view presented here are the 
views of each individual person, which may or may not be a shared view 
of the situation

- windy [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #scotlug
21:07  caagaard bagpuss_thecat,  allways for you :-)
21:07  bagpuss_thecat evening windy
21:08  windy evening all
21:10  bagpuss_thecat well, it _was_ busy in here until about 4 minutes ago
21:10  tam interesting post to the list that was
21:10  tam bagpuss_thecat: well am trying to work...but more keep on 
coming in and i get bored as i see the queue getting more red
21:11  bagpuss_thecat an archive of talks would be nice, and 
advertising of the mailing list would also be helpful
21:12  bagpuss_thecat I would offer to organise that stuff, but don't 
have the time. And the last time I attempted to organise anything for 
scotlug I got slated for 'taking control' and not 'asking my peers' etc
21:12  windy My ears must have been burning
21:12  bagpuss_thecat tam: work... :-/
21:13  bagpuss_thecat windy: indeed
21:13  windy so whats the gen?
21:13  bagpuss_thecat tam: I have damned american everywhere wanting 
answers for a 3 hour outage earlier on today
21:13  bagpuss_thecat a/american/americans/
21:13  bagpuss_thecat windy: 'the gen'?
21:13  tam bagpuss_thecat: i've got 6 radiance cases in my queue
21:14  windy The thoughts?
21:14  tam i've done around 15 since i came in
21:14  bagpuss_thecat I don't have a terribly good grasp of 
abbreviations or acronyms :-p
21:14  bagpuss_thecat aah
21:14  tam make that 7 cases now
21:15  windy We need to become something more than we have been of 
late or we should stop kidding ourselves on.
21:16  bagpuss_thecat well, I speak for myself when I say that a 
comittee would be nice and would bring some order to the group. 
Unfortunately some believe that a committe is just the beginning of a 
big formal group, etc, etc, and is moving scotlug away from it's roots
21:16  bagpuss_thecat s/it's/its/
21:16  bagpuss_thecat its roots being a loosely joined group of 
people with a common interest
21:16  windy If we want a drinking club or a meal club then form one of those
21:17  windy with a common interest in Linux and open source not 
drinking or eating
21:17  windy About growing as a group
21:17  bagpuss_thecat yes
21:18  sjmurdoch edward: IBM R31 - so yes, it would seem like you are correct
21:18  bagpuss_thecat I'm at a bit of a loss really
21:18  windy Some of us are in it for the long term not just passing 
through or being cool or fashionable
21:18  bagpuss_thecat everyone seems keen to talk and discuss, but 
noone wants to take on the responsibility
21:19  bagpuss_thecat tbh, I don't know of many who have just passed through
21:19  tam what is cool or fashionable about it?
21:19  tam windy: ^
21:20  windy I've done it for four year and in spite of my premature 
demise as written by Mr Ben I now have the time and inclination to make 
a comeback
21:20  * Neil_ moves his idling stool closer
21:20  kenny so how would you see the committee being formed based on 
you needed a quarim of 5 people to hav ea meeting? what roles would you 
need?
21:21  tam kenny: a great speaker like you for a start
21:21  kenny im just good with the ladies tam
21:21  tam could give a talk oon how you got your soundcard working
21:21  bagpuss_thecat kenny: with some commas, it actually makes sense :-p
21:21  tam kenny: well we know that is just an exageration as you did 
give her 20 quid
21:21  kenny I did not give her 20 quid
21:21  bagpuss_thecat ladies, later
21:22  kenny hehe
21:22  tam kenny: IOU ?
21:22  radman anyone used a sharp zaurus?
21:22  radman #
21:22  radman woopsey
21:22  Neil_ first point of order, bigkevmcd recommned it might be a 
good idea to put an 'offical' scotlug presence into this: 
http://www.icm-computer.co.uk/events/events_current.asp
21:22  windy That is a matter of the individuals perception of a 
thing, it's when it comes to giving time and resources you seperate the 
commited from the fop
21:22  kenny but a committee needs a structure, the roles need to 
have a palce within the comittee, I mean is a treasurer needed? waht 
would the treasurers trole be? what is the need, its needs to be put 
down in a constitution
21:22  Neil_ but as we can't really define an offical scotlug 
presence at the moment we're a bit fscked, so here is a goal.
21:23  kenny what was the original goal of scotlug when it was launched?
21:23  bagpuss_thecat Neil_: looks good, and I like the idea
21:24  windy Why dont you announce 

Re: [Scottish] IRC Debate logs

2003-12-22 Thread Tony Dyer
What about log sessions from other times?
You are being selective to suit your case!
Tony Dyer

 Original Message
 From: Kyle Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, Dec-22-2003 10:49 PM
 Subject: [Scottish] IRC Debate logs
 
 For those that care, we have recently had a heated debate on #scotlug about the 
 future and the direction of SLUG as a group. I am posting the logs for completeness 
 and so that those who are not on IRC or have no interest in it can see what would 
 otherwise be called 'behind the scenes'
 
 It's all open to your interpratation. The view presented here are the views of each 
 individual person, which may or may not be a shared view of the situation
 
 - windy [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #scotlug
 21:07  caagaard bagpuss_thecat,  allways for you :-)
 21:07  bagpuss_thecat evening windy
 21:08  windy evening all
 21:10  bagpuss_thecat well, it _was_ busy in here until about 4 minutes ago
 21:10  tam interesting post to the list that was
 21:10  tam bagpuss_thecat: well am trying to work...but more keep on coming in and 
 i get bored as i see the queue getting more red
 21:11  bagpuss_thecat an archive of talks would be nice, and advertising of the 
 mailing list would also be helpful
 21:12  bagpuss_thecat I would offer to organise that stuff, but don't have the 
 time. And the last time I attempted to organise anything for scotlug I got slated 
 for 'taking control' and not 'asking my peers' etc
 21:12  windy My ears must have been burning
 21:12  bagpuss_thecat tam: work... :-/
 21:13  bagpuss_thecat windy: indeed
 21:13  windy so whats the gen?
 21:13  bagpuss_thecat tam: I have damned american everywhere wanting answers for a 
 3 hour outage earlier on today
 21:13  bagpuss_thecat a/american/americans/
 21:13  bagpuss_thecat windy: 'the gen'?
 21:13  tam bagpuss_thecat: i've got 6 radiance cases in my queue
 21:14  windy The thoughts?
 21:14  tam i've done around 15 since i came in
 21:14  bagpuss_thecat I don't have a terribly good grasp of abbreviations or 
 acronyms :-p
 21:14  bagpuss_thecat aah
 21:14  tam make that 7 cases now
 21:15  windy We need to become something more than we have been of late or we 
 should stop kidding ourselves on.
 21:16  bagpuss_thecat well, I speak for myself when I say that a comittee would be 
 nice and would bring some order to the group. Unfortunately some believe that a 
 committe is just the beginning of a big formal group, etc, etc, and is moving 
 scotlug away from it's roots
 21:16  bagpuss_thecat s/it's/its/
 21:16  bagpuss_thecat its roots being a loosely joined group of people with a 
 common interest
 21:16  windy If we want a drinking club or a meal club then form one of those
 21:17  windy with a common interest in Linux and open source not drinking or eating
 21:17  windy About growing as a group
 21:17  bagpuss_thecat yes
 21:18  sjmurdoch edward: IBM R31 - so yes, it would seem like you are correct
 21:18  bagpuss_thecat I'm at a bit of a loss really
 21:18  windy Some of us are in it for the long term not just passing through or 
 being cool or fashionable
 21:18  bagpuss_thecat everyone seems keen to talk and discuss, but noone wants to 
 take on the responsibility
 21:19  bagpuss_thecat tbh, I don't know of many who have just passed through
 21:19  tam what is cool or fashionable about it?
 21:19  tam windy: ^
 21:20  windy I've done it for four year and in spite of my premature demise as 
 written by Mr Ben I now have the time and inclination to make a comeback
 21:20  * Neil_ moves his idling stool closer
 21:20  kenny so how would you see the committee being formed based on you needed a 
 quarim of 5 people to hav ea meeting? what roles would you need?
 21:21  tam kenny: a great speaker like you for a start
 21:21  kenny im just good with the ladies tam
 21:21  tam could give a talk oon how you got your soundcard working
 21:21  bagpuss_thecat kenny: with some commas, it actually makes sense :-p
 21:21  tam kenny: well we know that is just an exageration as you did give her 20 
 quid
 21:21  kenny I did not give her 20 quid
 21:21  bagpuss_thecat ladies, later
 21:22  kenny hehe
 21:22  tam kenny: IOU ?
 21:22  radman anyone used a sharp zaurus?
 21:22  radman #
 21:22  radman woopsey
 21:22  Neil_ first point of order, bigkevmcd recommned it might be a good idea to 
 put an 'offical' scotlug presence into this: 
 http://www.icm-computer.co.uk/events/events_current.asp
 21:22  windy That is a matter of the individuals perception of a thing, it's when 
 it comes to giving time and resources you seperate the commited from the fop
 21:22  kenny but a committee needs a structure, the roles need to have a palce 
 within the comittee, I mean is a treasurer needed? waht would the treasurers trole 
 be? what is the need, its needs to be put down in a constitution
 21:22  Neil_ but as we can't really define an offical scotlug presence at the 
 moment we're a bit fscked, so here