Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Danese Cooper
Ah, but you're not born Catholic.  You have to consciously choose it and
be confirmed before you can celebrate sacrament.  Hinduism has a lower bar
to entry.  My understanding is that pretty much everybody (even a future
Catholic) is born Hindu.  I'm sure you'll all let me know if I've been
misinformed ;-).

Danese

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:

 Apparently the catholic church has a form that you fill out, at least
 in Switzerland. Seeing how Hinduism has all the bases covered -
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_in_Hinduism how does one get rid
 of it?

 Cheeni




Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ah, but you're not born Catholic.  You have to consciously choose it and
 be confirmed before you can celebrate sacrament.  Hinduism has a lower bar
 to entry.  My understanding is that pretty much everybody (even a future
 Catholic) is born Hindu.  I'm sure you'll all let me know if I've been
 misinformed ;-).

It's true that Hinduism lays claim who all who breathe this air, walk
on this earth and live under the sky. Does this mean one is a Catholic
and a Hindu at the same time? Or how about a Muslim and a Hindu? If
not, then does that mean signing up to another religion unregisters
one from Hinduism? If so, how does atheism fare? Besides there is no
formal process (legally speaking) to be admitted as an atheist, and
even then atheism is a valid form of Hinduism.

I read this comic book once (many years ago) that portrayed Buddha and
Jesus Christ as avatars of Vishnu.

Cheeni



Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread sankarshan
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:
 Apparently the catholic church has a form that you fill out, at least
 in Switzerland. Seeing how Hinduism has all the bases covered -
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_in_Hinduism how does one get rid
 of it?

You can, apparently, go to a court and get an affidavit stating that
you have no religion. The same or, a variant of it was once narrated
to me by Ramakrishna.


-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/



Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Tim Bray
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:

 Besides there is no
 formal process (legally speaking) to be admitted as an atheist

I'm glad he hasn't found out about the SECRET HANDSHAKE.
-T



Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 12:46 PM, sankarshan 
sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com wrote:


 You can, apparently, go to a court and get an affidavit stating that
 you have no religion. The same or, a variant of it was once narrated
 to me by Ramakrishna.


Mahesh Shantaram did that many years ago. Here it is:

http://bbs.seacrow.com/cix/106/829
http://bbs.seacrow.com/cix/106/881

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Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Tim Bray wrote, [on 4/9/2010 12:49 PM]:

 Besides there is no
 formal process (legally speaking) to be admitted as an atheist
 
 I'm glad he hasn't found out about the SECRET HANDSHAKE.

Tim, you realise you're going to have to explain this breach of
confidentiality at the next monthly cabal meeting, yes?

Udhay
-- 
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Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote:
 Mahesh Shantaram did that many years ago. Here it is:
 http://bbs.seacrow.com/cix/106/829
 http://bbs.seacrow.com/cix/106/881

Thanks, I am sure that this is the most practical solution, even if I
have to repeat some variant of it in every country I reside in.

OTOH, the larger philosophical question still remains - how does one
relinquish Hinduism when by its definition it is impossible :-)



Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Venkat Mangudi
On Friday 09 April 2010 01:14 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
 I'm glad he hasn't found out about the SECRET HANDSHAKE.
 
 Tim, you realise you're going to have to explain this breach of
 confidentiality at the next monthly cabal meeting, yes?

Tsk.. Tsk...

Rule 1: Breach confidentiality at the risk of the left pinkie.
Rule 2: Reveal your / others' membership status at the risk of your
right pinkie.

Forgot so soon?

Oops, think I lost my right one too. :-)



Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Ramakrishna Reddy
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote:
 Mahesh Shantaram did that many years ago. Here it is:
 http://bbs.seacrow.com/cix/106/829
 http://bbs.seacrow.com/cix/106/881

 Thanks, I am sure that this is the most practical solution, even if I
 have to repeat some variant of it in every country I reside in.

Yes, Mahesh Shantaram did that many years ago, it costed him Rs 25/- .
But it also got me curious, If one does not have a religion, does it
automatically qualify him for a religious minority or any minority
status  in India.

regards
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Ramakrishna Reddy   GPG
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Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:


 OTOH, the larger philosophical question still remains - how does one
 relinquish Hinduism when by its definition it is impossible :-)


Constitutionally speaking, shouldn't you NOT have to relinquish anything you
didn't accept of your own free will? Except citizenship by birth, of course.

I could always make up my own religion that is defined as consisting of
anyone born in the geography of India. Why would you be obliged to release
yourself from that?


Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy ramkr...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes, Mahesh Shantaram did that many years ago, it costed him Rs 25/- .
 But it also got me curious, If one does not have a religion, does it
 automatically qualify him for a religious minority or any minority
 status  in India.


Ironically, Mahesh and Vidya had a Hindu wedding.

IANAL, but I suppose minorities have to be specifically identified in law or
you'd have a number of smaller castes trying to exit the Hindu umbrella.

If the Gujjars can agitate to be recognised as a backward caste for the
benefits, so can anyone else.

Kiran


Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
I could always make up my own religion that is defined as consisting of
anyone born in the geography of India. Why would you be obliged to release
yourself from that?

 

Precisely the question that's been bothering me as well. Why do you feel
obliged to release yourself from it?

 

And what would you get by releasing yourself from it? To live in society,
you would still need to carry the baggage that comes with that identity
regardless of what the government considers you as.

 

No?

 

Kiran



Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Thaths
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's true that Hinduism lays claim who all who breathe this air, walk
 on this earth and live under the sky.

Apparently some Hindus are more equal than others. Balinese Hindus,
for example, don't find it easy to visit Puri's Juggenaught temple.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1071108/asp/nation/story_8524891.asp
http://news.iskcon.org/node/692

Thaths
-- 
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I have no interest in that, besides wearing the occasional underwear, which
as we discussed is strictly a comfort thing. -- Homer J. Simpson
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Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  It's true that Hinduism lays claim who all who breathe this air, walk
  on this earth and live under the sky.

 Apparently some Hindus are more equal than others. Balinese Hindus,
 for example, don't find it easy to visit Puri's Juggenaught temple.

 http://www.telegraphindia.com/1071108/asp/nation/story_8524891.asp
 http://news.iskcon.org/node/692


Haven't read the story yet, but if anyone is calling  the deity the
Juggenaught instead of the spelling that's been accepted for 60 years now
...Jagannath (Lord of the World), their efforts also will come to naught
:)  OK, OK...I agree that's spelling Nazism, but I still bristle when I
hear...and then read the British mauling of Indian place names like
Mejura (Madurai) Seringapetam (Srirangapatna) and Serampore (Srirampur).  Oh
wellI've drifted the thread nicely, though, let it float upon the
etymological waters.

Deepa.


Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  It's true that Hinduism lays claim who all who breathe this air, walk
  on this earth and live under the sky.


The first time my son-in-law visited India (er, as someone said at the
engagement, he's an American American!) , at certain south Indian temples he
was told that if he wore a sindoor tilak he would be allowed inside, and
he had no problem with this. At others, he was told would be allowed in if
he paid Rs. 350 or so..there, he chose to sit outside and wait for us.
Rs.350 seems to be very cheap to embrace Hinduism, he remarked later.


Re: [silk] How does one unregister from Hinduism?

2010-04-09 Thread Mahesh Murthy
OK, OK...I agree that's spelling Nazism, but I still bristle when I  
hear...and then read the British mauling of Indian place names  
like Mejura (Madurai) Seringapetam (Srirangapatna) and Serampore  
(Srirampur).  Oh well


Come, come.

Even the construct Deepa Mohan as a name is about as Western as they  
come. Hard to draw the line at what degree of occidentification is ok  
and what's not :-)


Mahesh