Re: [silk] Why I Gave Up On 'Social Activism'
On Friday 04 May 2012 9:40:14 am Deepa Agashe wrote: I do not know any real activist types, so it is quite possible I am missing something here? You are missing absolutely nothing. You have missed nothing by not knowing these social activists. Far be it fom me to advise you on what you should be doing - but you have probably saved several depressing days or weeks of reading time. Use that time well. I would suggest simply getting drunk or playing golf or doing something that you like and can do without some jerk making to feel that you are a stupid git and taking you on a guilt trip. shiv
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Original Message Subject:Re: [silk] Why I Gave Up On 'Social Activism' Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 08:12:22 -0400 From: John Sundman j...@wetmachine.com To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Well, one thing about Yoginder Sikand evidently hasn't changed: he evidently still loves to hear himself talk. I didn't finish reading the whole thing; it was too tedious. I'm curious as to whether he would have considered any of the following people social activist types, and whether they had any impact: Thomas Jefferson Rosa Parks Thomas Paine Mahatma Gandhi Martin Luther King, Jr Abraham Lincoln Benjamin Franklin Nelson Mandela Rose Styron Daniel Elsberg But I'm not curious enough to keep reading. He reminds me of Jerry Rubin, an American self-proclaimed advocate for the revolution and marginalized people, famous as one of the Chicago 7 who were put on trail for raising a ruckus during the 1968 Democratic Party in protest against, among other things, the US War on Viet Nam. The protests provoked a police riot. In the 1980's Jerry Rubin saw the light much in the manner of Sikand, and became a proponent of capitalism and the greed is good ethos of the me decade. jrs
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On 04-May-2012, at 5:57 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: Original Message Subject:Re: [silk] Why I Gave Up On 'Social Activism' Date:Fri, 4 May 2012 08:12:22 -0400 From:John Sundman j...@wetmachine.com To:silklist@lists.hserus.net Well, one thing about Yoginder Sikand evidently hasn't changed: he evidently still loves to hear himself talk. I didn't finish reading the whole thing; it was too tedious. I'm curious as to whether he would have considered any of the following people social activist types, and whether they had any impact: Thomas Jefferson Rosa Parks Thomas Paine Mahatma Gandhi Martin Luther King, Jr Abraham Lincoln Benjamin Franklin Nelson Mandela Rose Styron Daniel Elsberg But I'm not curious enough to keep reading. He reminds me of Jerry Rubin, an American self-proclaimed advocate for the revolution and marginalized people, famous as one of the Chicago 7 who were put on trail for raising a ruckus during the 1968 Democratic Party in protest against, among other things, the US War on Viet Nam. The protests provoked a police riot. In the 1980's Jerry Rubin saw the light much in the manner of Sikand, and became a proponent of capitalism and the greed is good ethos of the me decade. jrs And then there's the traffic heading in the opposite direction: http://nplusonemag.com/leaving-wall-street Having spent about equal time on either side of this fence, I can empathise with parts of both arguments. There is plenty of self-serving narcissism, too little self-awareness in both worlds and very limited ability to translate across the divide. In my experience, most people on each side lack the knowledge, exposure and life experience to fathom the other, choosing instead to rely on caricatures. Ingrid
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Forwarding this one also, from IG - but people, PLEASE trim your posts, else they will get trapped by the list filters. And I can't be depended on to forward them forever. Udhay Original Message Subject:Re: [silk] Why I Gave Up On 'Social Activism' Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 00:27:28 +0530 From: Bonobashi bonoba...@yahoo.co.in To: silklist@lists.hserus.net silklist@lists.hserus.net Oh Lor'! Just finished getting this same jack-ass article slung at me to prove that our oppressed were better off being our oppressed than being anywhere else. And all because some NGO jockey has got right wing foundation fever in his old age! Have you no mercy? And how did you get into Ashok Chowgule, that neutral, fair and unbiased observer of this social activism phenomenon, and president of the Mumbai chapter of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad in his spare time? Sent from my iPad
Re: [silk] Of paper tigers and tigers on paper
On Tuesday, January 24, 2012, Vinayak Hegde wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net javascript:; wrote: Udhay Shankar N [23/01/12 22:37 +0530]: On 23-Jan-12 9:53 PM, ss wrote: Once you oursource a thing like making curreny then you can only writhe and kick about when it gets faked. The hidden assumption in this statement is that it is feasible to get the same anti-forgery features done here at a comparable cost. Udhay, for larger bills (such as the 10 rupee and above currently in circulation), the face value of the bill is going to be far more than its printing and distribution costs. It wont cost 500 rupees to print a 100 rupee bill Well only partly true. Currency can sometimes be cost more to make than face value. Case in point the lincoln penny costs 1.7 cents to make when the face value is 1 cent. http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/02/12/new-penny-lincoln-love-helps-keep-waste-alive/ One guy even built his business model on monetising this differential cost. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/31/080331fa_fact_owen More links: http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/05/the-lincoln-cen.html I have lately been fascinated that countries have been printing currency on plastic. I have few of those in my collection. Nothing tells about how high inflation is (the govt manipulated index notwithstanding) than how cheap is the metal that goes into making the coins. Case in point Look at how the 1 Rupee / 2 Rupees / 5 rupees coins have evolved. The metal has become cheaper and the coins have become smaller. 25/50paise coins have gone out of circulation. -- Vinayak Canada is getting rid of the penny finally. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-04/canada-stops-making-cents-as-flaherty-lets-penny-drop.html -- Vinayak
Re: [silk] Of paper tigers and tigers on paper
Vinayak, I did say for larger bills didn't I? :). My dad's been doing security printing since the 80s so I've picked up some trivia along the way. That is, besides inflation, another reason why small currency is going out of circulation -- srs (blackberry) -Original Message- From: Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com Sender: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 10:02:26 To: silklist@lists.hserus.netsilklist@lists.hserus.net Reply-To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] Of paper tigers and tigers on paper On Tuesday, January 24, 2012, Vinayak Hegde wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net javascript:; wrote: Udhay Shankar N [23/01/12 22:37 +0530]: On 23-Jan-12 9:53 PM, ss wrote: Once you oursource a thing like making curreny then you can only writhe and kick about when it gets faked. The hidden assumption in this statement is that it is feasible to get the same anti-forgery features done here at a comparable cost. Udhay, for larger bills (such as the 10 rupee and above currently in circulation), the face value of the bill is going to be far more than its printing and distribution costs. It wont cost 500 rupees to print a 100 rupee bill Well only partly true. Currency can sometimes be cost more to make than face value. Case in point the lincoln penny costs 1.7 cents to make when the face value is 1 cent. http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/02/12/new-penny-lincoln-love-helps-keep-waste-alive/ One guy even built his business model on monetising this differential cost. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/31/080331fa_fact_owen More links: http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/05/the-lincoln-cen.html I have lately been fascinated that countries have been printing currency on plastic. I have few of those in my collection. Nothing tells about how high inflation is (the govt manipulated index notwithstanding) than how cheap is the metal that goes into making the coins. Case in point Look at how the 1 Rupee / 2 Rupees / 5 rupees coins have evolved. The metal has become cheaper and the coins have become smaller. 25/50paise coins have gone out of circulation. -- Vinayak Canada is getting rid of the penny finally. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-04/canada-stops-making-cents-as-flaherty-lets-penny-drop.html -- Vinayak
