Re: [silk] have your reading habits changed?

2014-01-05 Thread SS
On Mon, 2013-12-30 at 10:39 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
 So I got myself a Kindle. And whether it is the novelty or the
 device-specific aspects (doesn't need ambient light, sufficiently
 booklike that one can read sprawled in bed, etc) - I have consumed 3
 books in 3 days, more than in the preceding 3 months.
 
 So - have you folks noticed your reading habits change with the means
 of reading? Is this a special case of the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis [1]?
 

About 15 years ago when the first small digital hand held devices began
appearing the early adopters were young (I was already approaching
middle age). It used to amuse me that those devices seemed designed for
the young, who could mostly pick up a device and read or see whatever
was displayed without glasses. 

That generation has now grown older and there is clearly an increase in
size of screen and font designed to cater to the young ones of
yesteryear who are older codgers now.

The Kindle, iPads and 7 or 8 inch devices are too big to fit in one's
pocket and too small to serve as a laptop. For many people I know, they
are a fashion statement requiring separate carriage - that is as a
third device  separate from phone and laptop. Among the more silly
sights I see nowadays is a person taking a photo or video using an iPad
- with a huge rectangle hiding his head. Sillier than that is the sight
of a photoframe size Samsung wotsit being held to one's ear. These are
compromises being made to gain the advantage of a biggish screen and a
debatable degree of portability minus the advantages of a proper keypad
for dedicated writers. It won't go in your pocket or handbag. It's not
for your desk. It's a diary sized thing that replaces the diary of the
pre-1980s era, and offers book functionality. Like roundworms and
tapeworms, it exists simply because it can exist. One can do without
it. 

I find the Kindle/iPad format singularly useless for me. They are
neither here nor there, and the books I want are unavailable. They
cannot be accommodated in my pocket, which necessarily must carry keys,
wallet, glasses and pen.  Incidentally I have used my last two smart
phones to read about 10,000 pages in books. I am comfortable with the
small screen and a good smart phone does everything I need apart from
allowing me to type comfortably, for which I need only one larger
device, with no need to squeeze in a third in between, neither this nor
that format.

shiv




Re: [silk] have your reading habits changed?

2014-01-05 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On 06-Jan-14 8:45 AM, SS wrote:

 I find the Kindle/iPad format singularly useless for me. They are
 neither here nor there, and the books I want are unavailable. They
 cannot be accommodated in my pocket, which necessarily must carry keys,
 wallet, glasses and pen.  Incidentally I have used my last two smart
 phones to read about 10,000 pages in books. I am comfortable with the
 small screen and a good smart phone does everything I need apart from
 allowing me to type comfortably, for which I need only one larger
 device, with no need to squeeze in a third in between, neither this nor
 that format.

In my case, I resisted getting this device for many years. But here are
the things that finally convinced me to get one:

1. As you mentioned, font size flexibility.
2. Portability of large book collections.
3. It is, like a real book, a single-function object. The primary
problem (for me) with reading things on a computer screen is that I am
unable to single-task, and end up with 47 open windows and a fractured
attention span that does not lend itself to immersion.

To be clear: I am not, by any means, giving up on actual paper books.
But this seems to be a useful additional option.

Udhay
-- 
((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))



Re: [silk] have your reading habits changed?

2014-01-05 Thread Mahesh Murthy
As a sideways punt on the topic, has anyone noticed how quickly Google Play
Books has become a real contender to Kindle?

Books here are almost always cheaper (often 50% or more) than on Amazon
Kindle, and the Google magazine newsstand has begun to rock.

Have spent more money there in the last couple of months than on Kindle.
On 05-Jan-2014 11:22 pm, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:

 On 06-Jan-14 8:45 AM, SS wrote:

  I find the Kindle/iPad format singularly useless for me. They are
  neither here nor there, and the books I want are unavailable. They
  cannot be accommodated in my pocket, which necessarily must carry keys,
  wallet, glasses and pen.  Incidentally I have used my last two smart
  phones to read about 10,000 pages in books. I am comfortable with the
  small screen and a good smart phone does everything I need apart from
  allowing me to type comfortably, for which I need only one larger
  device, with no need to squeeze in a third in between, neither this nor
  that format.

 In my case, I resisted getting this device for many years. But here are
 the things that finally convinced me to get one:

 1. As you mentioned, font size flexibility.
 2. Portability of large book collections.
 3. It is, like a real book, a single-function object. The primary
 problem (for me) with reading things on a computer screen is that I am
 unable to single-task, and end up with 47 open windows and a fractured
 attention span that does not lend itself to immersion.

 To be clear: I am not, by any means, giving up on actual paper books.
 But this seems to be a useful additional option.

 Udhay
 --
 ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))




Re: [silk] have your reading habits changed?

2014-01-05 Thread Tim Bray
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:15 PM, SS cybers...@gmail.com wrote:


 The Kindle, iPads and 7 or 8 inch devices are too big to fit in one's
 pocket and too small to serve as a laptop.


Well, that is at least partly wrong. I have a Nexus 7 (similar dimensions
to the iPad mini  Kindle devices).  It fits comfortably into a wide range
of pockets. The ones on the back of your pants are OK for transport but you
have to remove it before sitting down.  Cargo pants, jackets with internal
chest pockets, or vests (waistcoats I mean, for Commonwealth-speakers) all
typically have pockets that comfortably contain such a device.

As for laptop use, the N 7 (and I assume the others) works fine with a
Bluetooth keyboard and is thus a perfectly serviceable laptop unless of
course you need Photoshop or Emacs or whatever (and Emacs is coming - it
runs but not well, yet).  My 58-year-old vision is unremarkable and I found
the screen perfectly usable.

Also, for those of either gender who carry purse-like objects, this size of
device fits comfortably into most things other than a little opera clutch.

As for the full 10-inch-ish original iPad format, you're entirely right, it
has a real portability problem.

It’s easy to believe that these devices are found unsatisfactory as
dead-tree replacements by all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. But
pocketability probably isn’t a good one.  -T




 For many people I know, they
 are a fashion statement requiring separate carriage - that is as a
 third device  separate from phone and laptop. Among the more silly
 sights I see nowadays is a person taking a photo or video using an iPad
 - with a huge rectangle hiding his head. Sillier than that is the sight
 of a photoframe size Samsung wotsit being held to one's ear. These are
 compromises being made to gain the advantage of a biggish screen and a
 debatable degree of portability minus the advantages of a proper keypad
 for dedicated writers. It won't go in your pocket or handbag. It's not
 for your desk. It's a diary sized thing that replaces the diary of the
 pre-1980s era, and offers book functionality. Like roundworms and
 tapeworms, it exists simply because it can exist. One can do without
 it.

 I find the Kindle/iPad format singularly useless for me. They are
 neither here nor there, and the books I want are unavailable. They
 cannot be accommodated in my pocket, which necessarily must carry keys,
 wallet, glasses and pen.  Incidentally I have used my last two smart
 phones to read about 10,000 pages in books. I am comfortable with the
 small screen and a good smart phone does everything I need apart from
 allowing me to type comfortably, for which I need only one larger
 device, with no need to squeeze in a third in between, neither this nor
 that format.

 shiv