Re: [silk] Chanakya's teachings

2012-03-14 Thread ss
On Wednesday 14 Mar 2012 12:40:47 pm Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:58 AM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote:
  Do you have any recommendation for books by Henry Kissinger by the way?
 
 Not really, I only have a book of his memoirs on the Vietnam War that
 I never was able to finish, but how about some by Noam Chomsky? Or
 perhaps Howard Zinn? BTW, knowing Aanjhan off list as well I am pretty
 sure he was not entirely in the dark about the works of Chanakya.

I am just curious as to why you wanted to know what anyone might gain from 
Chanakya when you do not show any curiousity about why anyone might want to 
read Kissinger. Kissinger writes about statecraft and realpolitik. Some of it 
is good. Some of it is rubbish.

Noam Chomsky is a different ball game. Noam Chomsky is honest which would make 
him unsuitable for statecraft.

Kissinger had all that one needs for statecraft, guile, dishonesty, no 
concerns about what he does not know and delusions of grandeur. 

shiv



Re: [silk] Chanakya's teachings

2012-03-14 Thread John Sundman

On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:18 AM, ss wrote:

 Kissinger had all that one needs for statecraft, guile, dishonesty, no 
 concerns about what he does not know and delusions of grandeur. 

That, and a willingness to use vast military might to kill lots of people, 
without regard to the value of things destroyed or the numbers of combatants 
and non-combatants killed and maimed on either or any side.

jrs



Re: [silk] Chanakya's teachings

2012-03-13 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Aanjhan Ranganathan aanj...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 Do you folks have any recommendation for books on Chanakya's [1]
 teachings and philosophies?

What do you hope to learn from C or even from Machiavelli's Prince? I
hear there's a rather slow and dusty writer called Ayn Rand whose
writing seems equally ethically challenged.



Re: [silk] Chanakya's teachings

2012-03-13 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

Srini RamaKrishnan [13/03/12 11:39 +0100]:

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Aanjhan Ranganathan aanj...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi All,
Do you folks have any recommendation for books on Chanakya's [1]
teachings and philosophies?


What do you hope to learn from C or even from Machiavelli's Prince? I
hear there's a rather slow and dusty writer called Ayn Rand whose
writing seems equally ethically challenged.


funnily enough, the prince was a lesson in how to be ethical by
illustrating unethicality



Re: [silk] Chanakya's teachings

2012-03-13 Thread ss
On Tuesday 13 Mar 2012 4:09:47 pm Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
 What do you hope to learn from C

How is one supposed to know what one can learn from any book before reading 
it?  Perhaps a reader could learn what ethically challenged means? 

shiv



Re: [silk] Chanakya's teachings

2012-03-13 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote:
 How is one supposed to know what one can learn from any book before reading
 it?  Perhaps a reader could learn what ethically challenged means?

I assume one does not read Chanakya to read fine poetry; he is about
statecraft and real politik, and I'm always curious when someone
decides that's a good thing to learn.



Re: [silk] Chanakya's teachings

2012-03-13 Thread Aanjhan Ranganathan
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote:
 How is one supposed to know what one can learn from any book before reading
 it?  Perhaps a reader could learn what ethically challenged means?

 I assume one does not read Chanakya to read fine poetry; he is about
 statecraft and real politik, and I'm always curious when someone
 decides that's a good thing to learn.

Wrong assumption. I find people who just read fine poetry boring and
uninteresting. So, its bad to read Mein Kampf, on leaders who came to
power masterminding other's downfall, etc.? History is history. It has
good and bad things as with anything in this world. One has to grow up
reading diverse topics and eventually form his/her own moral values /
ethics in life.

Cheers!
Aanjhan



Re: [silk] Chanakya's teachings

2012-03-13 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Aanjhan Ranganathan aanj...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wrong assumption.

But I haven't mentioned any assumptions? Just curious about your reasons...



Re: [silk] Chanakya's teachings

2012-03-13 Thread ss
On Tuesday 13 Mar 2012 8:14:33 pm Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Aanjhan Ranganathan aanj...@gmail.com 
wrote:
  Wrong assumption.
 
 But I haven't mentioned any assumptions? Just curious about your reasons...

But Srini you wrote:
 I assume one does not read Chanakya to read fine poetry;

You are making an assumption and then denying that you mantioned any 
assumptions. You are assuming that the genre and content of the aurhor's works 
are known to the person who asked the question. 

Do you have any recommendation for books by Henry Kissinger by the way? 

shiv