RE: CSMSM
Personally, I usually disregard claims of that nature from anyone and any site. I have dealt with them for several years and found their service to be excellent. I never bought less than ten kilos, however, and that puts the price at $ 15.00 a kilo, or about 6.82 a pound. I usually buy it like that for several people at one time. I have also dealt with you, James, although it was not for MSM. Your service was also exceptional. Jim Wright -Original Message- From: James Allison [mailto:apothec...@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMSM I dunno about that site, he quotes... Our MSM is also the only MSM on the US market with a certificate of analysis and purity from an independent testing lab. In fact, the testing lab is probably the largest testing lab service in the world, with offices and laboratories in more than 100 different countries. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have the same MSM that I do, as it looks as if he deals with the Vibrant Life (MLM) company, and yet I have a certificate of analysis and purity from an independent testing lab for my MSM as well. So that leaves us with the fact that he's either telling an outright lie in order to make his MSM look best (maybe so people will pay 45.00 for 2.2 pounds of the same thing that can be found for a much less price elsewhere), or he's misinformed as to what he's selling, and in either case, not somebody I would personally deal with. I'm sorry for cutting in like this, but when somebody makes such a bold claim as to say he's the only one that has something, and I know it just isn't true, it kinda rubs me the wrong way. Yours in health, James Allison - Sunstone Herbals, Your Source For Supplements Visit Us Soon, http://www.sunstoneherbals.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - - Original Message - From: Terry Chamberlin To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:15 PM Subject: CSMSM Kuku, Try www.bulkmsm.com ___ Build your own website in minutes and for free at http://ca.geocities.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSResults of ppm calculator lab test
Hi all, Mike Fuller, my understanding of the process is: electron current travels from the cathode (negative silver electrode) -- through the water to the -- anode (positive silver electrode). This electron current drags the silver off the cathode and the silver is adopted by the molecules of water that forms the electronic current path to the anode. The molecule of water that has adopted the silver becomes more conductive, thence the increase in electronic current flow as the process continues. The larger the electronic current, the larger the silver particle that will be dragged off the cathode. I'm assuming most producers using #14 silver wire has spare wire, if you have, then you could use two cathodes in a triangular arrangement relative to the anode, but twice the distance then usual, away from the anode. The effect of doing this would be to double the resistance between each cathode relevant to the anode, but each cathode would supply half the usual electron current flowing to the anode. From my observations small electronic current will produce small bubbles at the cathode, when the cathode is further away from the anode and a much larger current will produce large bubbles, plus, one can see the particles streaming from one electrode through the water to the other electrode, (this is the opposite of what we want, we are intending to produce small particles), when the electrodes are closer to each other. Stirring the water moves the molecules of water that have just taken on the particle of silver out of the electron current path, replacing it with molecules that have not yet adopted silver particles, plus the centrifugal action on the water would tend to force the heavier molecules towards the outer perimeter of the container and out of the electron current path that flows between the electrodes. The air bubbling system causes movement of the water, but not as I described above, I just spotted it in your post as I was cleaning it up in preparation to post this one. I'll post this as is for my own benefit, if any corrections apply. All corrections to the above is welcome. Namaste, Leo. - Original Message - From: Mike Fuller car...@touch88.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:44 PM Subject: Re: CSResults of ppm calculator lab test Hi all, A question for the technical minded. The conclusion that Herx and Bob came to regarding the size of the cathode had me intrigued, because it would be good to reduce silver buildup. Bob and I believe that the most important factor is the surface area of the cathode (size of the anode is not relevant here). Unfortunately, I used rather large cathodes when generating the samples I sent to Bob for analysis. snip Bob and I hypothesize that a cathode with very little surface area will not allow significant amounts of Ag to plate, If I were to reduce the thickness of my cathode substantially, in a constant current system with air bubbling, would that alter the speed of CS generation? Thanks, Mike Fuller -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking CS the 2nd time around
Dear Leacy, Sounds mighty good to me!!! Now, go get well, you and Kitty both! Happy Thanksgiving to you. Love, Marshalee I made my 2nd and 3rd batches of CS today. In retrospect, I'm glad I made the 1st batch with KCl because I was able to actually SEE what was going on. Just goes to show, there is something positive to be gained from every experience. Anyway I made the 2nd batch from OSCO brand distilled water ($0.89) - the same thing I used in my first batch. The 3rd batch I made with high grade DI water from the lab where I work. People keep talking about the type of distilled water they used so I wanted to compare a very high grade to my bargain brand. I used no KCl this time, tested the mAmps every 10 minutes for a total of 60 min, and wiped off the wires at 30 and 45 minutes. According to the ppm calculator, I ended up with a total ppm of about 68, and 66. It was actually 85.31 and 82.91 but I factored in a 20% discount since I only have 4 inches of silver wire in the water. I think the calculator was based on 5 inches being in the water. I'd like to know how off Herx and Ole Bob found the calculator to be. I'll have to take some over to Ole Bob to test! Both turned out crystal clear and tasted the same - still a pretty strong taste but not bad like the first one. Beautiful! I'm going to put some in my humidifier for myself and my cat. I've been battling a wicked cold for 3 weeks now, and she's had a constant upper respiratory problem for years. Poor thing can't even purr sometimes. Thanks to everyone for the fantastic tips and testimonies, and expert advice. I've learned so much. Leacy Peace and Happy Holidays! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPolarity switching circuit
Hi all, Wolfy, that's very interesting, can you post any schematic diagrams or further information? Namaste, Leo. - Original Message - From: MERLIN DANIEL WOLF merlinw...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:50 AM Subject: Re: CSPolarity switching circuit Been using polarty switching for about 4 years now. Wouldn't do it any other way! No oxide, no sludge, no cruddy electodes. Just pure clean Ag.C solution. Opitimum polarity swich time varies acording to batch size, brew temperature, electrode size. A big advanage, in additon to the above, is that it helps maintain a consistent current flow by keeping the electrodes squeeky clean. Wolfy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking CS the 2nd time around
Hi all, Leacy, I sent both Herx and Ole Bob's posts direct to you, but I received a message indicating that I didn't suceed. Enclosed is Ole Bob's recomendation. Hi Ya'all, When I plotted Herx's data vs my mesurements the slope of an almost straight line is 0.3636. to me this says tha tif you use the Herx calculator and then multiply your answer by 0.3636 you will get very near the correct answer. Remember that Herx used continual mechanical stirring, and is constant current set-up, and that his CS is almost totally ionic. Ole Bob Namaste, Leo. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMSM
Thank you for the compliment Jim :) I guess I'm just in a hard core state of mind when it comes to claims about things, as the FTC and FDA are always on my butt about it. For example, I had one lousy page with one reference to colloidal silver killing anthrax (hey, we're back on topic now), and within 4 days I had a letter from the FTC telling me I needed to change it. That happened two days ago, and I guess I'm still just a little grumpy about it, and taking my hostility out on anything I can. Maybe I should try some ionic gold and get myself in a better mood. :) Yours in health, James Allison - Original Message - From: Jim Wright (Lists) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:23 AM Subject: RE: CSMSM Personally, I usually disregard claims of that nature from anyone and any site. I have dealt with them for several years and found their service to be excellent. I never bought less than ten kilos, however, and that puts the price at $ 15.00 a kilo, or about 6.82 a pound. I usually buy it like that for several people at one time. I have also dealt with you, James, although it was not for MSM. Your service was also exceptional. Jim Wright -Original Message- From: James Allison [mailto:apothec...@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMSM I dunno about that site, he quotes... Our MSM is also the only MSM on the US market with a certificate of analysis and purity from an independent testing lab. In fact, the testing lab is probably the largest testing lab service in the world, with offices and laboratories in more than 100 different countries. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have the same MSM that I do, as it looks as if he deals with the Vibrant Life (MLM) company, and yet I have a certificate of analysis and purity from an independent testing lab for my MSM as well. So that leaves us with the fact that he's either telling an outright lie in order to make his MSM look best (maybe so people will pay 45.00 for 2.2 pounds of the same thing that can be found for a much less price elsewhere), or he's misinformed as to what he's selling, and in either case, not somebody I would personally deal with. I'm sorry for cutting in like this, but when somebody makes such a bold claim as to say he's the only one that has something, and I know it just isn't true, it kinda rubs me the wrong way. Yours in health, James Allison - Sunstone Herbals, Your Source For Supplements Visit Us Soon, http://www.sunstoneherbals.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - - Original Message - From: Terry Chamberlin To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:15 PM Subject: CSMSM Kuku, Try www.bulkmsm.com ___ Build your own website in minutes and for free at http://ca.geocities.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPolarity switching circuit
Kevin, Ole Bob sold a number of constant voltage reversible polarity machines about two years ago. I might even have a shemactic left around here somewhere. The develpoment unit had a relay but it lasted for only a few runs then I went to all solid state using a motor control IC for the output. Ole Bob Kevin wrote, A while back I came to the same conclusion re cathode area and plate-out. After having little improvement with going from large area stainless cathodes to 1/16 diameter stainless wire cathodes, toyed with borrowing an idea from the Microwater people - cocoon the cathode(s) in a membrane such as chamois, that allows current flow but restricts access of silver ions to the cathode surface. However I believe the best solution is to borrow another idea that a CS vendor (can't recall who) uses - reverse the polarity regularly. I think that vendor's machine switched polarity about once a minute. An adjustable timer is preferable, as optimum switching period probably will vary depending on the particular setup used. It neatly solves a number of issues. No need to clean the cathode surfaces of oxide buildup. No need to filter the brew. No need to worry about how much silver is lost via plate-out - should be negligible. The disadvantages are increased complexity and cost, and the need to ensure that all electrodes are silver. To me, benefits outweigh costs. Any electronics enthusiasts on the list willing to come up with a DIY circuit design?
Re: CSMaking CS the 2nd time around
Hi Leacy, A ppm of 66 to 68 is unreasonable for that system. Ole Bob: -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMSM
No problem, James. Having to deal with the FDA and FTC about matters like that would put anybody in a poor frame of mind. Hang in there. Jim Wright -Original Message- From: James Allison [mailto:apothec...@home.com] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMSM Thank you for the compliment Jim :) I guess I'm just in a hard core state of mind when it comes to claims about things, as the FTC and FDA are always on my butt about it. For example, I had one lousy page with one reference to colloidal silver killing anthrax (hey, we're back on topic now), and within 4 days I had a letter from the FTC telling me I needed to change it. That happened two days ago, and I guess I'm still just a little grumpy about it, and taking my hostility out on anything I can. Maybe I should try some ionic gold and get myself in a better mood. :) Yours in health, James Allison - Original Message - From: Jim Wright (Lists) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:23 AM Subject: RE: CSMSM Personally, I usually disregard claims of that nature from anyone and any site. I have dealt with them for several years and found their service to be excellent. I never bought less than ten kilos, however, and that puts the price at $ 15.00 a kilo, or about 6.82 a pound. I usually buy it like that for several people at one time. I have also dealt with you, James, although it was not for MSM. Your service was also exceptional. Jim Wright -Original Message- From: James Allison [mailto:apothec...@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMSM I dunno about that site, he quotes... Our MSM is also the only MSM on the US market with a certificate of analysis and purity from an independent testing lab. In fact, the testing lab is probably the largest testing lab service in the world, with offices and laboratories in more than 100 different countries. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have the same MSM that I do, as it looks as if he deals with the Vibrant Life (MLM) company, and yet I have a certificate of analysis and purity from an independent testing lab for my MSM as well. So that leaves us with the fact that he's either telling an outright lie in order to make his MSM look best (maybe so people will pay 45.00 for 2.2 pounds of the same thing that can be found for a much less price elsewhere), or he's misinformed as to what he's selling, and in either case, not somebody I would personally deal with. I'm sorry for cutting in like this, but when somebody makes such a bold claim as to say he's the only one that has something, and I know it just isn't true, it kinda rubs me the wrong way. Yours in health, James Allison - Sunstone Herbals, Your Source For Supplements Visit Us Soon, http://www.sunstoneherbals.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - - Original Message - From: Terry Chamberlin To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:15 PM Subject: CSMSM Kuku, Try www.bulkmsm.com ___ Build your own website in minutes and for free at http://ca.geocities.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSbaking soda
So baking soda won't work for alkalizing. Know anything that does work? pj __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbaking soda
- Original Message - From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: CSbaking soda So baking soda won't work for alkalizing. Know anything that does work? pj If this is for inside the body, try either alkaline water, lemon juice in filtered water, and/or barley grass or some other powdered green drink. Liquid chlorophyll will do nicely, too. Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbaking soda
Hi PJ ~ Apple cider vinegar turns to alkaline in the body. What are you wanting to alkalize for? Julie Critters So baking soda won't work for alkalizing. Know anything that does work? pj -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSalkalizing
I am wanting to alkalize for general health. Also am using Cansema for some skin cancers that I greatly suspect have spread and have heard that alkalizing is necessary for success. Thanks for those tips about lemon juice, chlorophyll, barley green, etc. pj __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSproduct table
Hello Julie Critters How can I find a product table, which can tell me what acidic product will turn into alkaline in the human body and VS? Thanks in advance IK - Original Message - From: wolfcreek1 wolfcre...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: Re: CSbaking soda Hi PJ ~ Apple cider vinegar turns to alkaline in the body. What are you wanting to alkalize for? Julie Critters So baking soda won't work for alkalizing. Know anything that does work? pj -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPolarity switching circuit
Isn't AC current a polarity switcher? [LVAC] Is 60 cps too fast? Why? ken At 10:50 PM 11/21/01 -0800, you wrote: Been using polarty switching for about 4 years now. Wouldn't do it any other way! No oxide, no sludge, no cruddy electodes. Just pure clean Ag.C solution. Opitimum polarity swich time varies acording to batch size, brew temperature, electrode size. A big advanage, in additon to the above, is that it helps maintain a consistent current flow by keeping the electrodes squeeky clean. Wolfy Received: from smtpin-101-8.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.42) by storefull-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtpin-101-8.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id 9F993214; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:18:49 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: merlinw...@webtv.net Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by smtpin-101-8.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 4476F1AF; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smart...@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id TAA23551; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:18:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:18:33 -0800 Message-ID: From: Kevin Nolan To: Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:17:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0086_01C17360.7545AE00 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600. X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44738 X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Polarity switching circuit In Digest #1117, Results of ppm calculator lab test, Herx wrote: I recently posted a link for a spreadsheet I wrote to calculate the ppm of homemade CS. Ole Bob was kind enough to offer to test samples I made, and compare his lab results to the predictions of the spreadsheet. Well the the results of the Ole Bob test are in, and Im sorry to say they were rather disappointing. As Guenter suggested, Ag depositing on my cathode had a significant impact, one that I failed to take into account. I hope to compensate for this in future versions of the ppm calculator. Ole Bob and I discussed the results and here is our conclusion: The ppm calculator spreadsheet uses Faradays equation to calculate how much Ag is liberated from the anode. It does this accurately, but not all of the Ag liberated winds up suspended in the distilled water. Some gets deposited on the cathode, so the actual ppm is going to be less than the alculator predicts. How much less depends on several factors. Bob and I believe that the most important factor is the surface area of the cathode (size of the anode is not relevant here). Unfortunately, I used rather large cathodes when generating the samples I sent to Bob for analysis. Time is also a factor; the longer current flows, the faster Ag seems to plate to the cathode. So shorter brewing times may result in more accurate ppm prediction than longer brew time. Bob and I hypothesize that a cathode with very little surface area will not allow significant amounts of Ag to plate, and so the ppm calculator results would be reasonably accurate. We intend to test this hypothesis, hopefully by the end of this year. We will post the results. Bob noted that since high voltage CS is not as prone to plating, the spreadsheet results may be much more accurate for HVCS. Ive asked him to test this if he has the opportunity. But most of us low-tech types (myself included) use low voltage (under 40V) and I hope to find a solution for us. A while back I came to the same conclusion re cathode area and plate-out. After having little improvement with going from large area stainless cathodes to 1/16 diameter stainless wire cathodes, toyed with borrowing an idea from the Microwater people - cocoon the cathode(s) in a membrane such as chamois, that allows current flow but restricts access of silver ions to the cathode surface. However I believe the best solution is to borrow another idea that a CS vendor (can't recall who) uses - reverse the polarity regularly. I think that vendor's machine switched polarity about once a minute. An adjustable timer is preferable, as optimum switching period probably will vary depending on the particular setup used. It neatly solves a number of issues. No need to clean the cathode surfaces of oxide buildup. No need to filter the brew. No need to worry about how much silver is lost via plate-out - should be negligible. The disadvantages are increased complexity and cost, and the need to ensure that all electrodes are silver. To me, benefits outweigh costs. Any electronics enthusiasts on the list willing to come up with a DIY circuit design? Tired of buying questionable qaulity colloidal silver at high health
Re: CSproduct table
How can I find a product table, which can tell me what acidic product will turn into alkaline in the human body and VS? IK ~ I have no idea where to find such a table. I only know ACV (apple cider vinegar) is acidic, but turns alkaline in the body. It is recommended for those with stomach ulcers, reflux problems, etc. Sorry I couldn't help. Maybe someone else here knows the answer to your question. Julie Critters -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEffects of Polarity Reversing on LVDC CS
Happy Thanksgiving Day, Some time ago I tried polarity reversing experiments with constant current, stirred LVDC method. I think the reversal time was somewhere between half and one minute. What I found was for the same brew time and all other conditions being constant, the reversal CS was not nearly as strong, as measured by a Hanna PWT, as the unreversed CS. Why? At the onset of each reversal, is there a period of time wherein some sort of electrochemical reaction to undo something at each electrode before it can start producing more CS? This seems borne out because the voltage across the electrodes at constant current changes at the onset of the reversal before gradually settling back to about the voltage before the reversal. I don't remember if the voltage rose or dipped at reversal time. Electrochemists - what's going on here? Even though it make take longer to end up with the same strength brew, is the reversal method still advantageous? --Steve -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPolarity switching circuit
Ken, When I did my orginal work several years ago I started with 60 hz, no results in a reasonable lwngth of time. So I setup a 555 timer to drive a CD 4027 which drove a L 293D. With the 555 running at 6 sec the 4027 switched at 12 seconds and the L293D follwed that. I investigated 12, 24, 36, 48, 60, and 120 seconds and found the best results can at 60 switching. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSproduct table
In article 001301c17398$8742a6c0$3f8cb...@home, wolfcreek1 wolfcre...@earthlink.net wrote: How can I find a product table, which can tell me what acidic product will turn into alkaline in the human body and VS? IK ~ I have no idea where to find such a table. Do a Google search on alkaline ash foods and you'll find several sites with food tables. E.g.: http://www.naturalchiropractic.com/alkaline_ash_foods.htm http://members.aol.com/pganzel/foods.htm http://www.risingstarlc.com/acidalk.htm http://www.healthfree.com/health/healing/phguide.htm I only know ACV (apple cider vinegar) is acidic, but turns alkaline in the body. It is recommended for those with stomach ulcers, reflux problems, etc. I would only add that the clear heated filtered ACV found in grocery stores is a dead product. Make sure to use the cloudy organic unfiltered ACV from a healthfood store. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSproduct table
DO YOU JUST DRINK IT OR WHAT? - Original Message - From: Igor Kaplun ikap...@worldnet.att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: Re: CSproduct table Thank you for your kind response. IK - Original Message - From: wolfcreek1 wolfcre...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 3:59 PM Subject: Re: CSproduct table How can I find a product table, which can tell me what acidic product will turn into alkaline in the human body and VS? IK ~ I have no idea where to find such a table. I only know ACV (apple cider vinegar) is acidic, but turns alkaline in the body. It is recommended for those with stomach ulcers, reflux problems, etc. Sorry I couldn't help. Maybe someone else here knows the answer to your question. Julie Critters -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEffects of Polarity Reversing on LVDC CS
S J, First off, DO NOT believe the PWT readings for this purpose. There are only valid is the ratio of ionic to particulate silver stays the same. You have no guarantee the this is true with two widely divergent protocols. Look at the T.E.'s of the two products. are they the same? I know that this is quite subjective, but it is the only other test that may help answer your problem. ole Bob S J Young wrote: -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSproduct table
DO YOU JUST DRINK IT OR WHAT? One teaspoon to one tablespoon in an 8 oz. glass of water. - Original Message - From: wolfcreek1 wolfcre...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 3:59 PM Subject: Re: CSproduct table How can I find a product table, which can tell me what acidic product will turn into alkaline in the human body and VS? IK ~ I have no idea where to find such a table. I only know ACV (apple cider vinegar) is acidic, but turns alkaline in the body. It is recommended for those with stomach ulcers, reflux problems, etc. Sorry I couldn't help. Maybe someone else here knows the answer to your question. Julie Critters -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSproduct table
THANK YOU - Original Message - From: wolfcreek1 wolfcre...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: CSproduct table DO YOU JUST DRINK IT OR WHAT? One teaspoon to one tablespoon in an 8 oz. glass of water. - Original Message - From: wolfcreek1 wolfcre...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 3:59 PM Subject: Re: CSproduct table How can I find a product table, which can tell me what acidic product will turn into alkaline in the human body and VS? IK ~ I have no idea where to find such a table. I only know ACV (apple cider vinegar) is acidic, but turns alkaline in the body. It is recommended for those with stomach ulcers, reflux problems, etc. Sorry I couldn't help. Maybe someone else here knows the answer to your question. Julie Critters -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS anthrax
Greetings, The following references discuss silver's effectiveness in killing anthrax. Does anyone know how to go about finding these articles and getting hold of copies of them? For that matter, I've seen many references such as these to many subjects, but don't have a clue how to go about finding and reading them. 1.) H. Bechhold, Colloids in Biology and Medicine, N.Y.: D. van Nostrand, (1919), pp. 364-76. 2) D. Long S. Spencer Jones, Bioterrorism Secrets for Surviving the Coming Terrorist Germ Warfare Attacks on U.S. Cities, Barstow, CA Life Health Research Group, (1998). 3) N. Grier (1983) Silver and Its Compounds in Disinfection, Sterilization and Preservation, S. Block, ed., Philadelphia Lea Febiger, 380-428. 4) I. Romans (1954) Silver Compounds Oligodynamic Metals in Antiseptics, Disinfectants, Fungicides and Chemical and Physical Sterilization, G. Reddish, ed., Philadelphia Lea Febiger, 380-428. ___ Build your own website in minutes and for free at http://ca.geocities.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScs and baking soda
Marshall, Does this also mean that apple cidar vingar does not cause acidity in the body if taken orally? Nancy... - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 2:11 PM Subject: Re: CScs and baking soda Baking soda is an organic base, which means it does not relate to blood alkalinity, just like lemon juice is acid but is considered an alkaline in the body. You have to look at the ash. It will react in the stomach with the HCl giving CO2, water and NaCl. Thus it will act as an acid until the CO2 is expelled, then it will be neutral once in the blood as salt and water. Marshall Shirley Reed wrote: List, can we add baking soda (1/4 tsp.) to our cs water to alkalize the body? Will baking soda work or must we spend megabucks for an alkalizer? Thanks. pj __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFw: Sparton 9KV-30 HVAC generator
- Original Message - From: Dave Sawatzky To: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: Sparton 9KV-30 HVAC generator Hi Langsley You asked 1 do you any sort of mechanical stirring while producing your CS with the Spartan 9KV-30 HVAC? I added mechanical stirring a few months ago, before that I would stop the process every hour to stir. I bought a Radio Shack 1 1/2 volt motor, powered with a universal adapter, pushed a 3/16plastic fluted rod called a Ny-Rod from a Radio Controlled Airplane,(my other hobby) onto the motor shaft, a perfect cheap stirring device. 2 have you had occasion to deal with the vendor, Utopia Silver, to resolve problems or answer questions? If so, how were they to deal with? I asked Bill Fernald if I could order the machine on approval, and he was very accomodating. I have since called him a few times and he has always been helpfull. I have had no problems with the generator. The generator has pretty good current control, starting at 18ma, ending at approx 25-27ma. the unit comes with several feet of 12 gauge . silver wire. I changed my setup from the two rod system to 4 rods as recommended by Bill, this helps to reduce particle size. 3 You mentioned having Frank Key test your finished product. What did that cost per test, $ US? Frank's price list can be found at www.colloidalsciencelab.com/LabServicesPrices.html Hope this helps Dave Sawatzky
CShello to my friends
Dear Friends: I am writing to you because we are regular email subscribers. I am going to shut down this email for a couple of days to receive email ONLY from AOL subscribers. I am getting so many spam emails per day, I can hardly manage this account. Usually when you do this, the email servers automatically delete you after about a week. I am averaging over 50 spam emails per day per AOL account and it has become quite time consuming even hitting the delete key on that many accounts. Those of you that have an AOL account will not be affected. In the interim, you may use my yahoo account to correspond with me (becomes_...@yahoo.com). I am going to shut down these controls on most of my AOL accounts for one week. That should take care of the problem - I hope. So about next Thursday or Friday, you may add me back to your address books. Thanks for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Jeannine
Re: CSalkalizing
I have heard of people using h2o2 mixed with aloe vera in cancer treatment with good success. If you want to become more alkaline you could purchase a machine which produces alkaline water for you from tap water. The water is allot nicer to drink and more refreshing as it penetrates the cells quicker. You can buy a cheap type of device that will do this for $250 australian from www.nutech2000.com Hope this helps Take care damian At 10:23 AM 22/11/01 -0800, you wrote: I am wanting to alkalize for general health. Also am using Cansema for some skin cancers that I greatly suspect have spread and have heard that alkalizing is necessary for success. Thanks for those tips about lemon juice, chlorophyll, barley green, etc. pj -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPolarity switching circuit
Are your electrodes silver half inch strips,? or are they silver rods (wire)? I am confused here, electrodes, cathodes, anodes, are they the same thing? or different? Josephine Been using polarty switching for about 4 years now. Wouldn't do it any other way! No oxide, no sludge, no cruddy electodes. Just pure clean Ag.C solution. Opitimum polarity swich time varies acording to batch size, brew temperature, electrode size.
CSParticle size at 30 volts
The following quoted from a commercial site. Can anyone vouch for 30 volts as best, would AC or DC have an advantage and does the resultant particle size seem reasonable? ...The very best voltage for the reaction is 30 volts, because the electrodes run the cleanest at this voltage...Using this method, 8 ounces of distilled water at room temperature can be made into a 3-5 ppm colloidal silver preparation in 20-25 minutes. Electron microscope photographs of this product show a silver particle size in the range .001 to .004 microns... Thanks, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPolarity switching circuit
Bob - it would be much appreciated if you could indicate the details of a switching circuit that keeps on working! regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au - Original Message - From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Re: CSPolarity switching circuit Kevin, Ole Bob sold a number of constant voltage reversible polarity machines about two years ago. I might even have a shemactic left around here somewhere. The develpoment unit had a relay but it lasted for only a few runs then I went to all solid state using a motor control IC for the output. Ole Bob Kevin wrote, A while back I came to the same conclusion re cathode area and plate-out. After having little improvement with going from large area stainless cathodes to 1/16 diameter stainless wire cathodes, toyed with borrowing an idea from the Microwater people - cocoon the cathode(s) in a membrane such as chamois, that allows current flow but restricts access of silver ions to the cathode surface. However I believe the best solution is to borrow another idea that a CS vendor (can't recall who) uses - reverse the polarity regularly. I think that vendor's machine switched polarity about once a minute. An adjustable timer is preferable, as optimum switching period probably will vary depending on the particular setup used. It neatly solves a number of issues. No need to clean the cathode surfaces of oxide buildup. No need to filter the brew. No need to worry about how much silver is lost via plate-out - should be negligible. The disadvantages are increased complexity and cost, and the need to ensure that all electrodes are silver. To me, benefits outweigh costs. Any electronics enthusiasts on the list willing to come up with a DIY circuit design?
CSPolarity switching circuit
In Digest #1122, Bob Berger wrote: Ken, When I did my orginal work several years ago I started with 60 hz, no results in a reasonable lwngth of time. So I setup a 555 timer to drive a CD 4027 which drove a L 293D. With the 555 running at 6 sec the 4027 switched at 12 seconds and the L293D follwed that. I investigated 12, 24, 36, 48, 60, and 120 seconds and found the best results can at 60 switching. Ole Bob Bob, Not sure who you are replying to, but either way, could you explain, preferably via a circuit diagram, just what a CD 4027 and L293D are, and what they do? Is it the all solid state using a motor control IC for the output you mention in digest #1121? In thinking a bit more about it, seem to recall that there are published details of Bob Beck's Blood Electrifier circuit that includes a square wave polarity reverser which reverses 4 times a second - should be readily adaptable. regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au
