RE: CScolloidal gold.

2002-01-21 Thread I Anderson
Kevin,

Yes quite cost effective. 1g of gold chloride will make 49L of 10ppm
colloidal gold.

In Australia you can obtain supplies here:

http://www.proscitech.com.au/

ProSciTech
PO Box 111
Thuringowa Qld 4817
Australia

Street Address:
37 Framara Dr, Kelso, 4815

C106 Gold Chloride AU$58.00 1g 10% discount for 10 x 1g

GOLD CHLORIDE hydrate
H(AuCl4) :H2O. F.W. 229.79
Chloroauric acid; hydrogen tetrachloroaurate; gold trichloride, acid.
Assay 99.9985%. Gold content 49%+.
Used in histology for staining of nerves. This highly purified gold
compound may be used for the preparation of colloidal gold sols.
Golden-yellow to reddish, highly hygroscopic, crystals. Deteriorates
readily in UV light, is caustic on skin, dissolves well in water and
alcohol. M.S.D.S
C106 Gold Chloride, 1g (ampoule) Price

 -Original Message-
 From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
 Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 2:50 a.m.
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CScolloidal gold.


 Thanks, Ivan. So where does one purchase gold chloride, and
 is it economic
 compared with electrolytically making from gold wire or similar?

 regards, Kevin Nolan

 - Original Message -
 From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 11:28 AM
 Subject: RE: CScolloidal gold.


  Yes Kevin,
 
  But then why go to the trouble of electrically generating ionic
gold
  when one can purchase soluble gold chloride.
 
  Chemical reduction of gold chloride by various compounds
 (tannic acid,
  sodium citrate, etc.) as you mention is the traditional way
 of making
  commercial and batch quantities of CG, as used in large
 amounts by the
  bio-chemistry industry. With the ability to regulate a uniform
  particle size from about 6nm +, it would seem to be the way to go.
 
  Regards
  Ivan.


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RE: CScolloidal gold.

2002-01-21 Thread Satchid
Ivan,
Is this CG the usable in the same way as the CG made with the HVAC device? 

Satchid

-Original Message-
From: I Anderson [mailto:i...@win.co.nz]
Sent: maandag 21 januari 2002 10:07
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CScolloidal gold.


Kevin,

Yes quite cost effective. 1g of gold chloride will make 49L of 10ppm
colloidal gold.

In Australia you can obtain supplies here:

http://www.proscitech.com.au/

ProSciTech
PO Box 111
Thuringowa Qld 4817
Australia

Street Address:
37 Framara Dr, Kelso, 4815

C106 Gold Chloride AU$58.00 1g 10% discount for 10 x 1g

GOLD CHLORIDE hydrate
H(AuCl4) :H2O. F.W. 229.79
Chloroauric acid; hydrogen tetrachloroaurate; gold trichloride, acid.
Assay 99.9985%. Gold content 49%+.
Used in histology for staining of nerves. This highly purified gold
compound may be used for the preparation of colloidal gold sols.
Golden-yellow to reddish, highly hygroscopic, crystals. Deteriorates
readily in UV light, is caustic on skin, dissolves well in water and
alcohol. M.S.D.S
C106 Gold Chloride, 1g (ampoule) Price

 -Original Message-
 From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
 Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 2:50 a.m.
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CScolloidal gold.


 Thanks, Ivan. So where does one purchase gold chloride, and
 is it economic
 compared with electrolytically making from gold wire or similar?

 regards, Kevin Nolan

 - Original Message -
 From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 11:28 AM
 Subject: RE: CScolloidal gold.


  Yes Kevin,
 
  But then why go to the trouble of electrically generating ionic
gold
  when one can purchase soluble gold chloride.
 
  Chemical reduction of gold chloride by various compounds
 (tannic acid,
  sodium citrate, etc.) as you mention is the traditional way
 of making
  commercial and batch quantities of CG, as used in large
 amounts by the
  bio-chemistry industry. With the ability to regulate a uniform
  particle size from about 6nm +, it would seem to be the way to go.
 
  Regards
  Ivan.


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RE: CScolloidal gold.

2002-01-21 Thread Satchid
Bob,

I did not receive direct emails concerning CG. But I give you whatever I
know, this is not much. because I made only on batch of CG. I think the
electrode setup of Ole Bob Is wonderful. I did not tried it but will soon
do.

The only thing to do is to put the electrodes in position connect something
above 8000 Volts on the electrodes and get them make a continue spark. The
farther away the electrodes are from each other the lower the current. I do
not know that the current density (current per mm² of wetted electrode) is
of importance here. Cleaner water = better spark. Colder the water = better
spark. If you have to put the secondary windings of 2 neon transformers in
series to obtain the necessary voltage, then do not earth the case, also do
not let the 2 cases make electrical contact. It will indeed blow up one if
not the 2 transformers as someone said in a mail to me on the list.

The connections is simple from the terminals of the transformer to the
electrodes with special high tension wires. I think that you need at least
30 mA and 1 V for convenient work. I worked with 12000 V and 50 mA.

The first negative observation is the heating up of the DW. I placed
therefore the glass DW container with the electrodes into a flat little
bathtub filled with water. this helps, but is not sufficient. Therefore I
intend to circulate the DW trough a condenser of a water distiller pumping
the water trough there where the steam normally would go, and then cold
water to cool it. therefore I do need info on what material is allowed in
CG. Is plastic or some plastic tubing a no or a yes. The type of tubing used
in hospitals ( you know the yellow very flexible ones) are they good? Are
there pumps that are good for this operation.

An other way of cooling could be ( and I think this is better ) is to put an
as long as possible spiral glass tube in the container with the DW and pump
cold water trough it.

There are wonderful explanations on HVAC setups for CS if you do a search on
HVAC on top of the list. however, the setup for silver is probably not
working for CG. Someone said the For CG you need a spark under water.

THIS ALL AD OF COURSE TO THE DANGER OF WORKING WITH HIGH TENSION. DO NOT
ELECTROCUTE YOURSELF.

I hope this can get you going.

-Original Message-
From: Bob Toews [mailto:bob_to...@hotmail.com]
Sent: maandag 21 januari 2002 7:41
To: Satchid
Subject: Re: CSCG


Hi Satchid,
I'm interested in making CG as well. 'Ole Bob' sent me his diagram of the
electrode. Could I impose on you to forward any other email you've received
on how to make CG?
Thanks in advance!
Bob.
- Original Message -
From: Satchid satc...@sevaproductions.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: CSCG


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Re: CSsolving plate-out

2002-01-21 Thread rob-bac
Hi folks,
It is just an idea but did anybody try the ultrasonic vibration method used
for cleaning jewelry as a way of mixing, or prevention of caking?
RB

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From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: CSsolving plate-out





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RE: CSPolarity Switch Experiment

2002-01-21 Thread I Anderson
Hi Kevin,

You may be right, most of the current sag may well be in the build up
of charge in the electrode/water double layer. And without in depth
study I am not in a position to argue the toss. But it undoubtedly
true that the current passes through zero at each polarity change
...how much this slows the reaction I cannot say.

Here is a nice site with some info ...also on various rotating
electrodes.

http://www.bath.ac.uk/~chsacf/java/electrochemistry/elec/l6html/cvac.h
tm


Regards
Ivan.

 -Original Message-
 From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
 Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 2:42 a.m.
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSPolarity Switch Experiment


 Ivan - inertial effects are completely negligible in any
 electrolysis setup.
 The relaxation time (roughly a dividing line between
 resistive and inertial
 response) for ions in water is I think of the order of 10^-13
 seconds or so.
 Even taking the electrolysis setup - container plus DW plus
 electrodes, as a
 capacitor, the electrical system relaxation time would be
 much less than a
 microsecond. The rise and fall in current is undoubtedly a
 consequence of
 the electrodeposition and subsequent dispersal of a
 semi-insulating deposit
 on the electrodes - the 'plate-out' of silver. Current fluctuation
is
 mirroring electrode surface resistance fluctuation.

 regards, Kevin Nolan


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RE: CSPolarity Switch Experiment

2002-01-21 Thread I Anderson
Sound like a nice unit.
Thanks Trem.

Ivan.

 -Original Message-
 From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com]
 Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 7:27 a.m.
 To: *Silver-List* (E-mail)
 Subject: RE: CSPolarity Switch Experiment


 Hi Ivan,

 I don't have any reference point because we never did run the units
 un-switched.  The electrodes are only 3/8 or so apart and
 are corrugated
 for rigidity. I needed a way to either clean them manually or
 have them be
 self cleaning.  I didn't think users would be very handy at
 cleaning them
 without damaging them, so, reversing current was my only
 option.   I used
 close spacing to have a high gradient in the water which
 would force the
 process to start quickly using startup voltages around 70
 volts.  Everything was a tradeoff.

 We are running about twice the current density on the
 switching unit as
 compared to the un-switched one but they both seem to make
 the same ratio
 of ionic to particulate silver.  Am using about 15 times the
 surface area
 of silver on the switched unit compared to the un-switched
 one.  Beats me
 why they have the same ratio..maybe when one is using
 very low current
 density it just works out that way.  With 4 electrodes 1.5 X
 5 wetted
 depth connected in parallel sets so that cathodes and anodes
 are always
 sandwiched between 2 electrodes (except for 1 end electrode)
 we run 30
 ma.  I'm having a tough time explaining electrode
 configuration here...hope
 you understand my meaning.

 Your explanation of the sag we experience after each reversal
 sounds good
 to me.  With good water flow between electrodes it is minimized
 however.  We use a submergible pump to keep it all in motion
 so there isn't
 an area of stagnant ions between electrodes that has to be turned
 around.  They are all in continuous motion.

 Trem


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RE: CSdog bites

2002-01-21 Thread I Anderson
Sounds like you've got it covered Jim.
Perhaps infra-red heat lamp or LED's or laser pointer will help to
heal faster.

Best wishes
Ivan.
  -Original Message-
  From: Acmeair [mailto:res00...@gte.net]
  Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 10:45 a.m.
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSdog bites


  my ex- is a volunteer at the local animal shelter, in a group that
tries to adopt out the inmates. she was working with a mal-treated 12
year old, that was scared to death. it spooked on her, and bit her
real bad in the face. stitches in the lip, and a lot of teeth marks
just under the eye.

  the doc sewed her up and prescribed the standard anti-biotics. by
the time i heard about it, fever had set in , along with all the
swelling. she insisted on taking the anti-biotics, but did agree to
drink  CS, and keep a CS dampened cloth with the ice pack she is to
use. i've got her to keep cleansing the wounds with a cotton ball
soaked with CS, and to dring a cup of  CS 4 times a day.. i think i'll
tell her to cleanse the wounds with h2O2, also.

  any other things i could prompt her on???TIA jim, O+, S


RE: CScolloidal gold.

2002-01-21 Thread I Anderson
Well Satchid,

If you look at this study, you will find that it used at much higher
doses that can be supplied by HVAC method (for serious cases).

http://www.belmarpharmacy.com/library/reference2a.html

Regards
Ivan.

 -Original Message-
 From: Satchid [mailto:satc...@sevaproductions.com]
 Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 10:38 p.m.
 To: *Silver-List* (E-mail)
 Subject: RE: CScolloidal gold.


 Ivan,
 Is this CG the usable in the same way as the CG made with the
 HVAC device?

 Satchid



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CSBias tape

2002-01-21 Thread Trem

Hi Bob,

Could you be more specific.  I know what bias tape is but I don't know how 
you would attach it to the electrodes and what it would do.  How can you 
spot plate out with it?  Does it make a pattern on the glass 
walls?Hm..


Trem


At 09:07 PM 1/20/2002 -0600, you wrote:

Hi Ya'all,

Here is unique solution that I used several years ago to spot plate out. Put s
hort length of bias tape on the electrodes.. If you don't know what bias 
tape is

ask your wife.

Ole Bob





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Re: CScolloidal gold.

2002-01-21 Thread Kevin Nolan
Thanks again Ivan. Any thoughts on the best reagents to precipitate gold as
colloid, concentrations to use etc? Looks like we're homing in on something
here - possibly that thing at the end of the rainbow!

regards, Kevin Nolan

- Original Message -
From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: CScolloidal gold.


 Kevin,

 Yes quite cost effective. 1g of gold chloride will make 49L of 10ppm
 colloidal gold.

 In Australia you can obtain supplies here:

 http://www.proscitech.com.au/

 ProSciTech
 PO Box 111
 Thuringowa Qld 4817
 Australia

 Street Address:
 37 Framara Dr, Kelso, 4815

 C106 Gold Chloride AU$58.00 1g 10% discount for 10 x 1g

 GOLD CHLORIDE hydrate
 H(AuCl4) :H2O. F.W. 229.79
 Chloroauric acid; hydrogen tetrachloroaurate; gold trichloride, acid.
 Assay 99.9985%. Gold content 49%+.
 Used in histology for staining of nerves. This highly purified gold
 compound may be used for the preparation of colloidal gold sols.
 Golden-yellow to reddish, highly hygroscopic, crystals. Deteriorates
 readily in UV light, is caustic on skin, dissolves well in water and
 alcohol. M.S.D.S
 C106 Gold Chloride, 1g (ampoule) Price

  -Original Message-
  From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
  Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 2:50 a.m.
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CScolloidal gold.
 
 
  Thanks, Ivan. So where does one purchase gold chloride, and
  is it economic
  compared with electrolytically making from gold wire or similar?
 
  regards, Kevin Nolan
 
  - Original Message -
  From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 11:28 AM
  Subject: RE: CScolloidal gold.
 
 
   Yes Kevin,
  
   But then why go to the trouble of electrically generating ionic
 gold
   when one can purchase soluble gold chloride.
  
   Chemical reduction of gold chloride by various compounds
  (tannic acid,
   sodium citrate, etc.) as you mention is the traditional way
  of making
   commercial and batch quantities of CG, as used in large
  amounts by the
   bio-chemistry industry. With the ability to regulate a uniform
   particle size from about 6nm +, it would seem to be the way to go.
  
   Regards
   Ivan.


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Re: CSsolving plate-out

2002-01-21 Thread Kevin Nolan
I take it Bob 'spot' was a typo and you meant 'stop'? Also that 'put a short
length of bias tape on the electrodes' means actually wrapping the entire
wetted length in a sheath of tape? Did you find that this reduced the
current draw significantly? For those wanting a fascinating read on bias
tape, try: http://www.fabrics.net/joan1001.asp. Could even beat asking the
wife.

regards, Kevin Nolan

- Original Message -
From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: CSsolving plate-out


 Hi Ya'all,

 Here is unique solution that I used several years ago to spot plate out.
Put s
 hort length of bias tape on the electrodes.. If you don't know what bias
tape is
 ask your wife.

 Ole Bob





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RE: CS sore cracked hands

2002-01-21 Thread larry tankersley
Steven.. I don't have address's of CS vendors,but there are several on
this list. I'm sure they will be glad to post their url's. And a web
search will turn up more.
 If you're going to be using much of it,like for soaking your hands,you
may be better off buying a generator. Ken at www.silverpuppy.com makes a
slick little unit for $75 USD.



larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA


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CSRe[2]: CSsolving plate-out

2002-01-21 Thread Solar
Hello list,

Sunday, January 20, 2002, 6:52:20 PM, you wrote:

KN In Digest V102 #72, Ode Coyote wrote:

KN I have run across this rotating electrode setup in lab experiment
KN documentation and it does seem to work as stated but has something to do
KN with altering a boundary layer or something.  mechanical complexity is much
KN greater.
KN 1] somehow chuck the electrode to a motor drive so it doesn't wobble all
KN over the place and with the correct polarity
KN 2] install that wiper.
KN  It'll have to turn pretty fast to make a difference, I think.
KN ken

KN Interesting, Ken. I plan to give it a try. Will let the list know how it
KN goes.

KN regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au

I have experimented, to a limited extent, in this area. The shear
developed by the vortex created has had some profound effects in my
experimentation. I intend to further evaluate this in the future.

I believe the preferred method would be to mount the electrode in a
conductive bearing, as a wiper will, undoubtedly, wipe metal from the
electrode. In keeping with nature, the electrode should spin
counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere, and clockwise in the
southern hemisphere. Using a speed controller is the way to go. I have
kept the speed such that, when the vortex is fully formed, the cone
of air at the top extends down 0.5 to 1.0 inch into the water.





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Re: CScolloidal gold.

2002-01-21 Thread Marshall Dudley
I want to warn everyone that gold salts are reported to be quite toxic I
believe.  So be careful that you have NO salts left.

(I have not verified this information, it came from a doctor discussing gold
shots for people who have arthritis)

Marshall

Kevin Nolan wrote:

 Thanks again Ivan. Any thoughts on the best reagents to precipitate gold as
 colloid, concentrations to use etc? Looks like we're homing in on something
 here - possibly that thing at the end of the rainbow!

 regards, Kevin Nolan

 - Original Message -
 From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:06 PM
 Subject: RE: CScolloidal gold.

  Kevin,
 
  Yes quite cost effective. 1g of gold chloride will make 49L of 10ppm
  colloidal gold.
 
  In Australia you can obtain supplies here:
 
  http://www.proscitech.com.au/
 
  ProSciTech
  PO Box 111
  Thuringowa Qld 4817
  Australia
 
  Street Address:
  37 Framara Dr, Kelso, 4815
 
  C106 Gold Chloride AU$58.00 1g 10% discount for 10 x 1g
 
  GOLD CHLORIDE hydrate
  H(AuCl4) :H2O. F.W. 229.79
  Chloroauric acid; hydrogen tetrachloroaurate; gold trichloride, acid.
  Assay 99.9985%. Gold content 49%+.
  Used in histology for staining of nerves. This highly purified gold
  compound may be used for the preparation of colloidal gold sols.
  Golden-yellow to reddish, highly hygroscopic, crystals. Deteriorates
  readily in UV light, is caustic on skin, dissolves well in water and
  alcohol. M.S.D.S
  C106 Gold Chloride, 1g (ampoule) Price
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
   Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 2:50 a.m.
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Subject: Re: CScolloidal gold.
  
  
   Thanks, Ivan. So where does one purchase gold chloride, and
   is it economic
   compared with electrolytically making from gold wire or similar?
  
   regards, Kevin Nolan
  
   - Original Message -
   From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 11:28 AM
   Subject: RE: CScolloidal gold.
  
  
Yes Kevin,
   
But then why go to the trouble of electrically generating ionic
  gold
when one can purchase soluble gold chloride.
   
Chemical reduction of gold chloride by various compounds
   (tannic acid,
sodium citrate, etc.) as you mention is the traditional way
   of making
commercial and batch quantities of CG, as used in large
   amounts by the
bio-chemistry industry. With the ability to regulate a uniform
particle size from about 6nm +, it would seem to be the way to go.
   
Regards
Ivan.
 
 
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Re: CSBias tape

2002-01-21 Thread boberger
Trem.

I cut  the tape a little longer than the electrodes and slid it over the 
electrodes
and tied it at the top. The tape is folded several times so it kind of acts 
like a
tube.

In the plating rooms they do that some times to stop crud from getting in the
solution.

Hope this helps,

Ole Bob



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Re: CSsolving plate-out

2002-01-21 Thread boberger
Kevin,
the word is stop I sild the tape over the electrode. As made the tape is
folded about 3 or 4 times and it acts like a tube.

In the platting rooms this is called bagging the electrode

Ole Bob




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Re: CSMagnesium oxide

2002-01-21 Thread charles shutford
I wish to order magnesium oxide, any one got a web site suggestion?  for a
reputable source?  thanks Rusty

- Original Message -
From: Leo Regehr leoel...@telusplanet.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: CSMagnesium oxide


 I have plenty of magnisium oxide powder on hand. Do I mix it in water for
an
 enema, and if so, in what proportion?
 Leo

 Duncan Crow wrote:

  | First Tracy, I suspect Homozon is magnesium oxide, just check the
label.
 
  Homozon is a type of magnesium peroxide, specially prepared to donate
  singlet oxygen. The preparation has not been improved on on over a
century.
  You won't get the oxygen-donating effect using magnesium oxide; in fact
you
  won't get much of a magnesium-donating effect either; in fact the
cleansing
  action results because magnesium in this form is not well absorbed.
 
  |
  | Magnesium oxide acts a little like the foaming cleansers you spray
onto a
  | carpet, which act by lifting some of the dirt to the surface, making
it
  | easier to remove. It takes some time for the mag ox to gradually break
up
  | your impacted 'muck' which is why there is a lengthy protocol.
  ...| Everyone I know who has completed the mag ox protocol has had good,
and
  | sometimes amazing, results. If you remain unconvinced, but still
curious,
  | look at the Bernard Jensen book, 'Iridology: Vol 2'. The pictures may
just
  | change your mind.
 
  The effect above using mag oxide will be minimal, VERY minimal.
 
  Duncan (ozone therapist)
 
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Re: CSMagnesium oxide

2002-01-21 Thread charles shutford
I believe some one on this list had quantities of magnesium oxide to sell, if I 
am correct would you contact me please.  Rusty
  - Original Message - 
  From: Leo Regehr 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: CSMagnesium oxide


  That is neat. Thanks. 
  Leo 
--

  Kevin Nolan wrote: 

Leo - some while ago I was told there is a cheap do-it-yourself method for 
making MgO2 (magnesium peroxide) that some people actually use. As I 
recall, 
simply mix MgO (magnesium oxide) powder with about an equal quantity of 50% 
(or proportionately more 35% if you can't get 50%) H2O2. Stir into a 
slurry, 
and leave to dry, preferably in the sun. There will be a reaction that 
converts a fair portion to the peroxide. Once dry, break it up and place 
into capsules or simply keep in a tight jar. 
regards, Kevin Nolan 

- Original Message - 
From: Leo Regehr leoel...@telusplanet.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 12:19 PM 
Subject: Re: CSMagnesium oxide 

 I have plenty of magnisium oxide powder on hand. Do I mix it in water for 
an 
 enema, and if so, in what proportion? 
 Leo 
 
 Duncan Crow wrote: 
 
  | First Tracy, I suspect Homozon is magnesium oxide, just check the 
label. 
  
  Homozon is a type of magnesium peroxide, specially prepared to donate 
  singlet oxygen. The preparation has not been improved on on over a 
century. 
  You won't get the oxygen-donating effect using magnesium oxide; in fact 
you 
  won't get much of a magnesium-donating effect either; in fact the 
cleansing 
  action results because magnesium in this form is not well absorbed. 
  
  | 
  | Magnesium oxide acts a little like the foaming cleansers you spray 
onto a 
  | carpet, which act by lifting some of the dirt to the surface, making 
it 
  | easier to remove. It takes some time for the mag ox to gradually 
break 
up 
  | your impacted 'muck' which is why there is a lengthy protocol. 
  ...| Everyone I know who has completed the mag ox protocol has had 
good, 
and 
  | sometimes amazing, results. If you remain unconvinced, but still 
curious, 
  | look at the Bernard Jensen book, 'Iridology: Vol 2'. The pictures may 
just 
  | change your mind. 
  
  The effect above using mag oxide will be minimal, VERY minimal. 
  
  Duncan (ozone therapist) 
  
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Re: CSdog bites

2002-01-21 Thread FHLew

Greetings to you  Sir/ Madam,

  You wrote:

. it spooked on her, and  bit her real bad in the face. stitches in 
the lip, and a lot of teeth marks just under the eye..got her to keep 
cleansing the wounds with a cotton ball soaked with CS,'ll tell her to 
cleanse the wounds with  h2o2 any other things i could prompt her on??? 
 .

 Certainly ! You have given a graphic description
of bite injuries in the  dangerous area of the face  of 
your friend.Well done. In applied anatomy, the deep facial vein also drains the 
dangerous area of the face  through a deep network of facial veins called the 
pterygoid plexus which communicates through small holes in the base of the 
skull  with  the cavernous venous sinus inside the skull. The surgical 
significance of this is that any infection in the dangerous area of the face  
may spread  directly to the brain. I would not hesitate to prescribe a course 
of antibiotics under the circumstances when the injuries are extensive like the 
good doctor who attended to your friend.

 One has to rule out whether the bites are from a distempered  dog. 
Hospitalization is imperative when the
signs are positive. The cosmetic complications of scar
formation in facial injuries have to be considered.  
 
 For ordinary dogbites, I prescribed Hydrophobinum
30x [ potentised saliva from a distempered dog ] and
Hypericum Perforatum 30x for tetenus.  I have ceased using
tetanus toxoid and other vaccines years ago. For healing
with minimal scar formation, I dilute 10 drops of Mother Tincture Hyperecum  or 
Calendula with 1/2  Litre of water and use it for  cleansing and wetdressing. 
of wounds. To
extrude foreign bodies [ tiny pieces of glass , metals or wooden  splinters] in 
soiled injuries , I give Silica 30x.
The preparations mentioned are homeopathic medicine,
which is easily available.

 To promote faster and tissue repair with minimal scarring,
I use  polychromatic lasertherapy over minor or stitiched injuries. 

 Diluted Colloidal Silver and Hydrogen Peroxide are excellent
sterilizing and cleansing alternatives. Please bear in mind that some 
individuals have a congenital deficiency of Catalase which effects the breaking 
up of hydrogen peroxide. Inadvertent use of H2O2 with catalase deficiency may 
lead to severe  tissue damage. It may be surprising to know that human bites 
are equally infectious and  dangerous.

With regards
   Lew


 


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  From: Acmeair 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 5:45 AM
  Subject: CSdog bites


  my ex- is a volunteer at the local animal shelter, in a group that tries to 
adopt out the inmates. she was working with a mal-treated 12 year old, that was 
scared to death. it spooked on her, and bit her real bad in the face. stitches 
in the lip, and a lot of teeth marks just under the eye.

  the doc sewed her up and prescribed the standard anti-biotics. by the time i 
heard about it, fever had set in , along with all the swelling. she insisted on 
taking the anti-biotics, but did agree to drink  CS, and keep a CS dampened 
cloth with the ice pack she is to use. i've got her to keep cleansing the 
wounds with a cotton ball soaked with CS, and to dring a cup of  CS 4 times a 
day.. i think , alsoi'll tell her to cleanse the wounds with h2O2.

  jim, O+, S


Re: CSMagnesium oxide

2002-01-21 Thread Leo Regehr
Try Self Health Resource Ctre in California or in Canada for small quantities,
either in powder or capsules. Fisher Scientific for larger quantities of powder.
Just do a google search and lots of vendors will come up.
Leo

charles shutford wrote:

 I wish to order magnesium oxide, any one got a web site suggestion?  for a
 reputable source?  thanks Rusty

 - Original Message -
 From: Leo Regehr leoel...@telusplanet.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 8:19 PM
 Subject: Re: CSMagnesium oxide

  I have plenty of magnisium oxide powder on hand. Do I mix it in water for
 an
  enema, and if so, in what proportion?
  Leo
 
  Duncan Crow wrote:
 
   | First Tracy, I suspect Homozon is magnesium oxide, just check the
 label.
  
   Homozon is a type of magnesium peroxide, specially prepared to donate
   singlet oxygen. The preparation has not been improved on on over a
 century.
   You won't get the oxygen-donating effect using magnesium oxide; in fact
 you
   won't get much of a magnesium-donating effect either; in fact the
 cleansing
   action results because magnesium in this form is not well absorbed.
  
   |
   | Magnesium oxide acts a little like the foaming cleansers you spray
 onto a
   | carpet, which act by lifting some of the dirt to the surface, making
 it
   | easier to remove. It takes some time for the mag ox to gradually break
 up
   | your impacted 'muck' which is why there is a lengthy protocol.
   ...| Everyone I know who has completed the mag ox protocol has had good,
 and
   | sometimes amazing, results. If you remain unconvinced, but still
 curious,
   | look at the Bernard Jensen book, 'Iridology: Vol 2'. The pictures may
 just
   | change your mind.
  
   The effect above using mag oxide will be minimal, VERY minimal.
  
   Duncan (ozone therapist)
  
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Re: CSMagnesium oxide

2002-01-21 Thread Tel Tofflemire
Charles I never have done business with this co. as I just ran in to it the
other day but it has some interesting stuff.
http://www.oxytherapy.com/stabilized/homozon/#what
Teltofflemire
Phoenix, AZ

charles shutford wrote:

 I wish to order magnesium oxide, any one got a web site suggestion?  for a
 reputable source?  thanks Rusty

 - Original Message -
 From: Leo Regehr leoel...@telusplanet.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 8:19 PM
 Subject: Re: CSMagnesium oxide

  I have plenty of magnisium oxide powder on hand. Do I mix it in water for
 an
  enema, and if so, in what proportion?
  Leo
 
  Duncan Crow wrote:
 
   | First Tracy, I suspect Homozon is magnesium oxide, just check the
 label.
  
   Homozon is a type of magnesium peroxide, specially prepared to donate
   singlet oxygen. The preparation has not been improved on on over a
 century.
   You won't get the oxygen-donating effect using magnesium oxide; in fact
 you
   won't get much of a magnesium-donating effect either; in fact the
 cleansing
   action results because magnesium in this form is not well absorbed.
  
   |
   | Magnesium oxide acts a little like the foaming cleansers you spray
 onto a
   | carpet, which act by lifting some of the dirt to the surface, making
 it
   | easier to remove. It takes some time for the mag ox to gradually break
 up
   | your impacted 'muck' which is why there is a lengthy protocol.
   ...| Everyone I know who has completed the mag ox protocol has had good,
 and
   | sometimes amazing, results. If you remain unconvinced, but still
 curious,
   | look at the Bernard Jensen book, 'Iridology: Vol 2'. The pictures may
 just
   | change your mind.
  
   The effect above using mag oxide will be minimal, VERY minimal.
  
   Duncan (ozone therapist)
  
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Re: CSMagnesium oxide

2002-01-21 Thread Brooks Bradley
Dear Leo,
One would be well-served to be VERY CAREFUL
when dealing with 35% or 50% H202.  This substance is capable of
inflicting very serious tissue burns.  If you are not SURE  of the
reduction co-efficient from your mixing process you may run the risk of
producing a powder capable of generating some very compromising
resultsnot the least of which could be tissue-burning of epithelial
tissue..if ingested..  H202 at 35% and over concentration is serious
stuff.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

Leo Regehr wrote:

 That is neat. Thanks.
 Leo
 ---

 Kevin Nolan wrote:

 Leo - some while ago I was told there is a cheap do-it-yourself
 method for
 making MgO2 (magnesium peroxide) that some people actually use. As I
 recall,
 simply mix MgO (magnesium oxide) powder with about an equal quantity
 of 50%
 (or proportionately more 35% if you can't get 50%) H2O2. Stir into a
 slurry,
 and leave to dry, preferably in the sun. There will be a reaction
 that
 converts a fair portion to the peroxide. Once dry, break it up and
 place
 into capsules or simply keep in a tight jar.

 regards, Kevin Nolan

 - Original Message -
 From: Leo Regehr leoel...@telusplanet.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 12:19 PM
 Subject: Re: CSMagnesium oxide

  I have plenty of magnisium oxide powder on hand. Do I mix it in
 water for
 an
  enema, and if so, in what proportion?
  Leo
 
  Duncan Crow wrote:
 
   | First Tracy, I suspect Homozon is magnesium oxide, just check
 the
 label.
  
   Homozon is a type of magnesium peroxide, specially prepared to
 donate
   singlet oxygen. The preparation has not been improved on on over
 a
 century.
   You won't get the oxygen-donating effect using magnesium oxide;
 in fact
 you
   won't get much of a magnesium-donating effect either; in fact
 the
 cleansing
   action results because magnesium in this form is not well
 absorbed.
  
   |
   | Magnesium oxide acts a little like the foaming cleansers you
 spray
 onto a
   | carpet, which act by lifting some of the dirt to the surface,
 making
 it
   | easier to remove. It takes some time for the mag ox to
 gradually break
 up
   | your impacted 'muck' which is why there is a lengthy protocol.

   ...| Everyone I know who has completed the mag ox protocol has
 had good,
 and
   | sometimes amazing, results. If you remain unconvinced, but
 still
 curious,
   | look at the Bernard Jensen book, 'Iridology: Vol 2'. The
 pictures may
 just
   | change your mind.
  
   The effect above using mag oxide will be minimal, VERY minimal.
  
   Duncan (ozone therapist)
  
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CSLiving Water CS

2002-01-21 Thread Ian Roe
Hi:

About a year and a half ago I was conversing with someone on the list.  They 
mentioned that they knew someone who got involved with an apparatus that 
produced water of a clustered nature.  When the water was added to their well, 
it changed the structure of the well water as well and no matter what they 
tried, they were unable to change it back. I never heard anymore so I don't 
know what the final story on that one is.  It didn't necessarily harm the water 
but they had difficulty making CS with it after that.  It's some kind of 
combination distiller treater or something like that that clusters water and 
widens the angle between the hydrogen and oxygen, charges it with hydrogen and 
removes memory from the water - there may be something to this, I don't know.  
Now I came across a web site the other day that markets a machine that claims 
to change the structure of water, called the living water machine. 
http://www.rangeguide.net/water.htm  and this page points to this one.  
ttp://www.johnellis.com/  I've asked them to send me some more information.  It 
seems a lot to pay for something when there is no mention of service or 
warranty for worn or broken parts.  Does anyone know of similar machines out 
there and have you had experience making CS with this sort of water?

Ian


Re: CSMagnesium oxide

2002-01-21 Thread Ian Roe
This homozon stuff - isn't it just good old milk of magnesia without the 
flavour Philips puts into it?


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tel Tofflemire 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:34 PM
  Subject: Re: CSMagnesium oxide


  Charles I never have done business with this co. as I just ran in to it the 
other day but it has some interesting stuff. 
  http://www.oxytherapy.com/stabilized/homozon/#what 
  Teltofflemire 
  Phoenix, AZ 


Re: CSPolarity Switch Experiment

2002-01-21 Thread Kevin Nolan
Interesting site, Ivan. The particular link to rotating electrode stuff is:
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~chsacf/java/electrochemistry/elec/l7html/hydro.htm.
The emphasis there is on separating electrochemical transport effects from
each other, but offers a few useful hints.

Material at
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~chsacf/java/electrochemistry/elec/l6html/cvac.htm has
caused me to revise what was said below: I had not allowed for a variable
capacitive double-layer effects which apparently can be quite significant in
certain AC conditions. Unfortunately there is no indication of frequencies
in that 'refresher' article, so hard to say whether there is any relevance
to the polarity reversal experiments of Steve. Diffusion effects as per:
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~chsacf/java/electrochemistry/elec/l4html/cv.htm  are
interesting but refer to stagnant electrolyte situations. Something more to
consider though.

regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au

- Original Message -
From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: CSPolarity Switch Experiment


 Hi Kevin,

 You may be right, most of the current sag may well be in the build up
 of charge in the electrode/water double layer. And without in depth
 study I am not in a position to argue the toss. But it undoubtedly
 true that the current passes through zero at each polarity change
 ...how much this slows the reaction I cannot say.

 Here is a nice site with some info ...also on various rotating
 electrodes.

 http://www.bath.ac.uk/~chsacf/java/electrochemistry/elec/l6html/cvac.h
 tm


 Regards
 Ivan.

  -Original Message-
  From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
  Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 2:42 a.m.
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSPolarity Switch Experiment
 
 
  Ivan - inertial effects are completely negligible in any
  electrolysis setup.
  The relaxation time (roughly a dividing line between
  resistive and inertial
  response) for ions in water is I think of the order of 10^-13
  seconds or so.
  Even taking the electrolysis setup - container plus DW plus
  electrodes, as a
  capacitor, the electrical system relaxation time would be
  much less than a
  microsecond. The rise and fall in current is undoubtedly a
  consequence of
  the electrodeposition and subsequent dispersal of a
  semi-insulating deposit
  on the electrodes - the 'plate-out' of silver. Current fluctuation
 is
  mirroring electrode surface resistance fluctuation.
 
  regards, Kevin Nolan


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CSCSdog bites

2002-01-21 Thread John Osowiecki


Jim,
Yes, it is a great idea to suggest CS to your friend, however, I would not 
recommend cleansing with H2O2 for this kind of wound.  The oxygen realeased 
into this type of wound will actually lengthen healing time.  However, in my 
experience, MSM would be a fabulous addition to the CS.  I'm not sure if I even 
posted my experience to the list.but briefly:  One week before 
Christmas I cut my finger to the bone (cutting some of my fabulous fudge) and 
didn't have time to go to the hospital.  It was a very clean 
cut...as I was using a very sharp knife.  I cleaned the wound 
thoroughly and made a paste with MSM and CS.  I put that in the wound...and 
closed the flesh.  I then put the paste on the outside of my finger as 
well.and kept it moist by spraying CS on it regularly.  After about 
5 hours I made a butterfly bandage out of some medical tape I had at home and 
then daily put the MSM/CS paste over the wound for about 15 minutes.  In 3 days 
I took the butterfly bandage off, and all the skin had healed closed.  Within 6 
days, it was completely healed, and I could hardly tell I had even cut myself, 
by looking at it.  It took a couple of weeks for me to get feeling back in that 
tip of my finger (I'm sure I had cut through some important 
stuff).but it is now in perfect condition.  I was completely amazed at 
how incredibly it healed (so were the nurses at my daughters school who saw it 
hours after it happened, and then a week later).

So.perhaps not so briefly, after all..I would suggest a 
paste of MSM and CS.  Add just enough of the CS to make the MSM into a 
paste.I didn't do any exact measuring.  The CS I make is 5ppm.  One other 
interesting thing that happened with using this paste is that the pain went 
away.  It didn't hurt at all when I cut myself (the knife was VERY sharp), but 
the deep pain that came with hitting the bone with the knife was very 
intense...within a minute after putting that paste in the wound, 
the pain was gone.  Does anyone else have any experience with MSM/CS relieving 
pain?

I hope this helps,
God Bless,
Christiane

(What do TIA,O+, and S, in your signature, mean?)

- Original Message - 
  From: Acmeair 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:45 PM
  Subject: CSdog bites


  my ex- is a volunteer at the local animal shelter, in a group that tries to 
adopt out the inmates. she was working with a mal-treated 12 year old, that was 
scared to death. it spooked on her, and bit her real bad in the face. stitches 
in the lip, and a lot of teeth marks just under the eye.
   
  the doc sewed her up and prescribed the standard anti-biotics. by the time i 
heard about it, fever had set in , along with all the swelling. she insisted on 
taking the anti-biotics, but did agree to drink  CS, and keep a CS dampened 
cloth with the ice pack she is to use. i've got her to keep cleansing the 
wounds with a cotton ball soaked with CS, and to dring a cup of  CS 4 times a 
day.. i think i'll tell her to cleanse the wounds with h2O2, also.
   
  any other things i could prompt her on???TIA jim, O+, S


Re: CScolloidal gold.

2002-01-21 Thread Kevin Nolan
A valid point. This article:
http://www.belmarpharmacy.com/library/reference2a.html
from a site suggested by Ivan contains references to some toxic effects of
various gold salts. Pure CG is given a clean bill of health re toxicity.
Might pay to steer clear of chemical methods unless accurate determination
of residual salts can be made.

Kevin Nolan

- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: CScolloidal gold.


 I want to warn everyone that gold salts are reported to be quite toxic I
 believe.  So be careful that you have NO salts left.

 (I have not verified this information, it came from a doctor discussing
gold
 shots for people who have arthritis)

 Marshall

 Kevin Nolan wrote:

  Thanks again Ivan. Any thoughts on the best reagents to precipitate gold
as
  colloid, concentrations to use etc? Looks like we're homing in on
something
  here - possibly that thing at the end of the rainbow!
 
  regards, Kevin Nolan
 
  - Original Message -
  From: I Anderson i...@win.co.nz
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:06 PM
  Subject: RE: CScolloidal gold.
 
   Kevin,
  
   Yes quite cost effective. 1g of gold chloride will make 49L of 10ppm
   colloidal gold.
  
   In Australia you can obtain supplies here:
  
   http://www.proscitech.com.au/



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Re: CSRe[2]: CSsolving plate-out

2002-01-21 Thread Kevin Nolan
Nothing new under the sun, Solar! Have you noticed in particular any
elimination of plate-out? In respect of wiper location, the small 3-12V
motor I was planning to use has the shaft protruding through the back, so a
wiper can make direct contact there, assuming there is electrical contact
between motor shaft and driven electrode.

regards, Kevin Nolan

- Original Message -
From: Solar so...@dialup.oar.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:03 AM
Subject: CSRe[2]: CSsolving plate-out


 Hello list,

 Sunday, January 20, 2002, 6:52:20 PM, you wrote:

 KN In Digest V102 #72, Ode Coyote wrote:

 KN I have run across this rotating electrode setup in lab experiment
 KN documentation and it does seem to work as stated but has something to
do
 KN with altering a boundary layer or something.  mechanical complexity is
much
 KN greater.
 KN 1] somehow chuck the electrode to a motor drive so it doesn't wobble
all
 KN over the place and with the correct polarity
 KN 2] install that wiper.
 KN  It'll have to turn pretty fast to make a difference, I think.
 KN ken

 KN Interesting, Ken. I plan to give it a try. Will let the list know how
it
 KN goes.

 KN regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au

 I have experimented, to a limited extent, in this area. The shear
 developed by the vortex created has had some profound effects in my
 experimentation. I intend to further evaluate this in the future.

 I believe the preferred method would be to mount the electrode in a
 conductive bearing, as a wiper will, undoubtedly, wipe metal from the
 electrode. In keeping with nature, the electrode should spin
 counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere, and clockwise in the
 southern hemisphere. Using a speed controller is the way to go. I have
 kept the speed such that, when the vortex is fully formed, the cone
 of air at the top extends down 0.5 to 1.0 inch into the water.
 --
 Best regards,
  Solar



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Re: CSMagnesium oxide

2002-01-21 Thread Leo Regehr
Thank you. Your point is right on. I am thinking of doing a 2% solution
and adjusting from there. I want to dislodge material that may be stuck
to the colon wall.
Leo.
  

Brooks Bradley wrote:

 Dear Leo,
 One would be well-served to be VERY CAREFUL
 when dealing with 35% or 50% H202.  This substance is capable of
 inflicting very serious tissue burns.  If you are not SURE  of the
 reduction co-efficient from your mixing process you may run the risk
 of producing a powder capable of generating some very compromising
 resultsnot the least of which could be tissue-burning of
 epithelial tissue..if ingested..  H202 at 35% and over
 concentration is serious stuff.
 Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

 Leo Regehr wrote:

 That is neat. Thanks.
 Leo
 -

 Kevin Nolan wrote:

  Leo - some while ago I was told there is a cheap do-it-yourself
  method for
  making MgO2 (magnesium peroxide) that some people actually use. As
  I recall,
  simply mix MgO (magnesium oxide) powder with about an equal
  quantity of 50%
  (or proportionately more 35% if you can't get 50%) H2O2. Stir into
  a slurry,
  and leave to dry, preferably in the sun. There will be a reaction
  that
  converts a fair portion to the peroxide. Once dry, break it up and
  place
  into capsules or simply keep in a tight jar.
 
  regards, Kevin Nolan
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Leo Regehr leoel...@telusplanet.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 12:19 PM
  Subject: Re: CSMagnesium oxide
 
   I have plenty of magnisium oxide powder on hand. Do I mix it in
  water for
  an
   enema, and if so, in what proportion?
   Leo
  
   Duncan Crow wrote:
  
| First Tracy, I suspect Homozon is magnesium oxide, just check
  the
  label.
   
Homozon is a type of magnesium peroxide, specially prepared to
  donate
singlet oxygen. The preparation has not been improved on on
  over a
  century.
You won't get the oxygen-donating effect using magnesium oxide;
  in fact
  you
won't get much of a magnesium-donating effect either; in fact
  the
  cleansing
action results because magnesium in this form is not well
  absorbed.
   
|
| Magnesium oxide acts a little like the foaming cleansers you
  spray
  onto a
| carpet, which act by lifting some of the dirt to the surface,
  making
  it
| easier to remove. It takes some time for the mag ox to
  gradually break
  up
| your impacted 'muck' which is why there is a lengthy
  protocol.
...| Everyone I know who has completed the mag ox protocol has
  had good,
  and
| sometimes amazing, results. If you remain unconvinced, but
  still
  curious,
| look at the Bernard Jensen book, 'Iridology: Vol 2'. The
  pictures may
  just
| change your mind.
   
The effect above using mag oxide will be minimal, VERY minimal.
 
   
Duncan (ozone therapist)
   
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