RE: CSCS DMSO
Yes I told my cousin of a good healer who does manipulation and she took her small dog (forget the breed but they are prone to back problems) along to him and he manipulated it's back very gently and the dog was fine for a couple of years then the back went out again , she went straight to him and he sorted it again. The vets had been able to do nothing to help this dog, had tried over a longtime to sort the problem out and what eventually led to this cousin going to this guy was the vets saying the only thing they had left to try on the dog was surgery but it was v. dangerous and the odds were high it would be left paralysed to some degree or other plus it was going to be very expensive. Interestingly this wee dog is not very friendly to people on first aquantence, usually growling etc well it did not react that way to the healer though unsure of him at first but once he had manipulated it's back the first time it immediately snuggled up to him and let him stroke it and they have been friends since. BW Sheila -Original Message- From: Charles Sutton [mailto:cds...@earthlink.net] Sent: 05 December 2003 23:42 To: Mary Lou Borgert; silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS DMSO One of our family friends was a Chiropractor, and he was always telling stories about fixing dogs with pinched nerves. One had to drag his rear end around. He gave it an adjustment and the little fellow jumped up and ran off yelping his head off I don't know if you know anyone who knows someone that could help in this area, but I know from him that it can work... - Original Message - From: Mary Lou Borgert mborg...@worldnet.att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: Re: CSCS DMSO on 11/5/01 4:48 PM, brooks bradley at liat...@flash.net wrote: DEAR BROOKS YOU HAVE HELPED ME IN THE PAST. OUR PEKE DOG HAS A PINCHED NERVE IN HIS BACK AND CANNOT WALK THE VET SAID TO LET HIM REST FOR AWHILE. THIS OCCURED ON THANKSGIVING. MY QUESTION IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN DO TO HELP HIM?? LIKE THE DMSO?? I KNOW YOU ARE NOT A VET, BUT ANYTHING WOULD BE HELPFUL THANKS MARY We established through direct experimentation (to our satisfaction), years ago, the most efficacious approach to a majority of gum insults involving almost any bacteria-based insult---included as a precursor protocol, some address by H202 or sodium perborate. These agents express very powerful subjugation effects on the entire family of opportunistic anerobes generally present in the human mouth. Many of our volunteers avoided, completely, scheduled gum-trim surgery simply by following a very simple protocol based upon 3.5% H202. Our most pronounced success resulted from a combination of H202, followed immediately with a 10 to 15 ppm CS swish-and-retain (about 1 tblsp) for 4--5 min..three times daily. In these early experiments we did not employ DMSO. Later, we did include low-percentage DMSOwith splendid results. Do remember that DMSO is VERY bittereven in low concentrations. Additionally, be advised that our volunteers DID NOT swallow the CS X DMSO solutions (although it would not have been injurious to have done so). I wish to emphasize we DID NOT mix the H202 solutions with the CS prior to usebut followed the H202 with the CS. Interestingly, we achieved superior results from, always, utilizing the H202 first..then using the CS. Speculation on this result seemed to endorse that the advantage sprang from a residual bacteria-subjugating effect from the CS. However, we did not invest any effort in an attempt to substantiate this possibility. Subjects DID NOT rinse their mouth between application of H202 and CS. One of the outstanding advantages of this protocol is it allows realtime evaluation of its effects. The subject is aware--- in a matter of momentsof both the severity of the bacterial insult-and the degree of response to the H202. This allows for an immediate repetition of the H202 protocol.when indicated. I posted information with, essentially, this same content...a couple of years ago. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. This protocol proved effective even in cases where the subjects refused to brush their teeth regularly-some not at all. --- Original Message - From: Kehoe ke...@ticon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: CSCS DMSO What cautions are there for using CS DMSO?? I have never used DMSO before and I want to make sure I do not do anything stupid. I want to use it for gum disease. Nothing has worked for me so far. I also want to use it for back pain and nerve damage. Thanks, CK -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit
Re: CSSpider Bite Question
I recommend you read this article concerning spider bites and bentonite clay: http://www.eytonsearth.org/brown-recluse-bite-clay.html At 07:47 AM 12/7/03, you wrote: Good Evening, I am at Day 6 after the spider bite. Day 1 until day 3, I thought it to be a fire ant. ( Day Three of treatment ) I did search the archives and read most of them. About 90 % relate to ignition systems. Actually, I have done, and am doing nearly everything possible, other than digging out my old transistor ignition system built in the 60's and using it. Question1. Can anyone beat this without antibiotics? Question2. What signs should I watch for to admit defeat and get antibiotics? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsilver-heavy metal
I have read many times here that silver is NOT a heavy metal, but researching for another reason I ran across this link that specifically lists silver as a heavy metal, though it does not list silver as one of the commonly found toxic metals. So is silver a heavy metal or not? Anybody know its specific gravity? I am not about to give up my CS, but would like to be accurate when conversing with people who say silver is a heavy metal. I don't want to say is is not, if in fact it is paula http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-156.shtml#intro There are 35 metals that concern us because of occupational or residential exposure; 23 of these are the heavy elements or heavy metals: antimony, arsenic, bismuth, cadmium, cerium, chromium, cobalt, copper, gallium, gold, iron, lead, manganese, mercury, nickel, platinum, silver, tellurium, thallium, tin, uranium, vanadium, and zinc (Glanze 1996). Definition of a Heavy Metal Heavy metals are chemical elements with a specific gravity that is at least 5 times the specific gravity of water. The specific gravity of water is 1 at 4°C (39°F). Simply stated, specific gravity is a measure of density of a given amount of a solid substance when it is compared to an equal amount of water. Some well-known toxic metallic elements with a specific gravity that is 5 or more times that of water are arsenic, 5.7; cadmium, 8.65; iron, 7.9; lead, 11.34; and mercury, 13.546 (Lide 1992). Commonly Encountered Toxic Heavy MetALS a.. Arsenic b.. Lead c.. Mercury d.. Cadmium e.. Iron f.. Aluminum
CSSilver-heavy metal
Hi, Sol. According to the periodic table published by Sargent-Welch Scientific Company, the density of silver is 10.5 grams per cubic centimeter (water has a density of one gram per cubic centimeter.) Even water is toxic in amounts large enough to drown in. We cannot live without iron, copper, zinc and manganese. Their respective densities are: 7.86, 8.96, 7.14 and 7.43 grams per cubic centimeter. So they are all heavy metals according to the definition you mention. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT
Even water is toxic in amounts large enough to drown in. Water can also be toxic when swallowed in large amounts. Here in Utah, a couple is up for murder, for forcing their adopted child to drink quarts of water as a punishment. It killed her. She was 5. Marshalee
Re: CSCS DMSO
on 12/6/03 4:06 PM, Charles Sutton at cds...@earthlink.net wrote: THANK YOU. THERE IS NOT ONE IN THIS AREA BUT I DID TALK A CHIRO. INTO DOING THIS. THANK YOU MARY One of our family friends was a Chiropractor, and he was always telling stories about fixing dogs with pinched nerves. One had to drag his rear end around. He gave it an adjustment and the little fellow jumped up and ran off yelping his head off I don't know if you know anyone who knows someone that could help in this area, but I know from him that it can work... - Original Message - From: Mary Lou Borgert mborg...@worldnet.att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: Re: CSCS DMSO on 11/5/01 4:48 PM, brooks bradley at liat...@flash.net wrote: DEAR BROOKS YOU HAVE HELPED ME IN THE PAST. OUR PEKE DOG HAS A PINCHED NERVE IN HIS BACK AND CANNOT WALK THE VET SAID TO LET HIM REST FOR AWHILE. THIS OCCURED ON THANKSGIVING. MY QUESTION IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN DO TO HELP HIM?? LIKE THE DMSO?? I KNOW YOU ARE NOT A VET, BUT ANYTHING WOULD BE HELPFUL THANKS MARY We established through direct experimentation (to our satisfaction), years ago, the most efficacious approach to a majority of gum insults involving almost any bacteria-based insult---included as a precursor protocol, some address by H202 or sodium perborate. These agents express very powerful subjugation effects on the entire family of opportunistic anerobes generally present in the human mouth. Many of our volunteers avoided, completely, scheduled gum-trim surgery simply by following a very simple protocol based upon 3.5% H202. Our most pronounced success resulted from a combination of H202, followed immediately with a 10 to 15 ppm CS swish-and-retain (about 1 tblsp) for 4--5 min..three times daily. In these early experiments we did not employ DMSO. Later, we did include low-percentage DMSOwith splendid results. Do remember that DMSO is VERY bittereven in low concentrations. Additionally, be advised that our volunteers DID NOT swallow the CS X DMSO solutions (although it would not have been injurious to have done so). I wish to emphasize we DID NOT mix the H202 solutions with the CS prior to usebut followed the H202 with the CS. Interestingly, we achieved superior results from, always, utilizing the H202 first..then using the CS. Speculation on this result seemed to endorse that the advantage sprang from a residual bacteria-subjugating effect from the CS. However, we did not invest any effort in an attempt to substantiate this possibility. Subjects DID NOT rinse their mouth between application of H202 and CS. One of the outstanding advantages of this protocol is it allows realtime evaluation of its effects. The subject is aware--- in a matter of momentsof both the severity of the bacterial insult-and the degree of response to the H202. This allows for an immediate repetition of the H202 protocol.when indicated. I posted information with, essentially, this same content...a couple of years ago. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. This protocol proved effective even in cases where the subjects refused to brush their teeth regularly-some not at all. --- Original Message - From: Kehoe ke...@ticon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: CSCS DMSO What cautions are there for using CS DMSO?? I have never used DMSO before and I want to make sure I do not do anything stupid. I want to use it for gum disease. Nothing has worked for me so far. I also want to use it for back pain and nerve damage. Thanks, CK -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT
That's ok, people seem to be mis-reading my intent, I do not need arguments that silver is not toxic or that water can be toxic. I just want to stop telling folks it is not a heavy metal, if in fact it is. I have also read it called a transition metal, and the toxic heavy metals are also listed as transition metals on the table I sent the link to. I sh ould have researched this a long time ago, and not parroted things I read. There is plenty of evidence that silver (EIS) is not toxic without making false arguments, which is what I want to avoid, as when I myself find out that a fact is mis-stated or false, I tend to disbelieve everything else, you know? I simply want to be accurate. paula - Original Message - From: mamapug Even water is toxic in amounts large enough to drown in. Water can also be toxic when swallowed in large amounts. Here in Utah, a couple is up for murder, for forcing their adopted child to drink quarts of water as a punishment. It killed her. She was 5. Marshalee
Re: CSSilver-heavy metal
Thanks. I am going to revise what I say about silver and EIS, in light of this info. There is such good evidence FOR silver that it is not necessary to use an inaccurate or misleading statement in its defense. paula - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann PE Hi, Sol. According to the periodic table published by Sargent-Welch Scientific Company, the density of silver is 10.5 grams per cubic centimeter (water has a density of one gram per cubic centimeter.) Even water is toxic in amounts large enough to drown in. We cannot live without iron, copper, zinc and manganese. Their respective densities are: 7.86, 8.96, 7.14 and 7.43 grams per cubic centimeter. So they are all heavy metals according to the definition you mention. Best regards, Matthew
RE: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT
Paula- Here is a great article on colloidal silver. http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/colloidal_silver/Colloidal_Silver_Research.html. I think it does a great job in explaining everything about colloidal silver. I cut and pasted the parts I though appropriate for this discussion below, however the rest of the article is fantastic as well. Rob Silver is referred to as a transition metal in chemical literature, along with copper and gold. They are metals that are heavier than the life giving light metals, such as sodium, calcium, and potassium, yet lighter than the toxic heavy metals such as lead, arsenic and mercury. Gold and silver are considered noble metals because they tend to not react easily to form compounds. The transition metals are known for their catalytic properties. Although ionic silver (such as any silver compound dissolved in water) has very little if any catalytic effect, and macroscopic silver has little effect either. However, very finely powdered silver becomes a very good oxidizing catalyst. Starting with atomic or ionic silver, the catalytic effect increases with particle size until it reaches a peak at some value, then drops off to a much lower level when the particles approach the wavelength of light. This is easy to explain by examining how a catalyst works. Each positively charged silver atom will attract one negatively charged atom or molecule. Once they touch, the charge is neutralized. If you have more than one positively charged atom of silver in a particle, then each can attract a negatively charged atom or particle. If a clump of silver atoms binds with two negatively charged particles, such as oxygen and something else, these two particles will no longer electrostatically repel each other, but will be brought together and will react, oxidizing the particle. -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:pcar...@wyoming.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 4:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT That's ok, people seem to be mis-reading my intent, I do not need arguments that silver is not toxic or that water can be toxic. I just want to stop telling folks it is not a heavy metal, if in fact it is. I have also read it called a transition metal, and the toxic heavy metals are also listed as transition metals on the table I sent the link to. I sh ould have researched this a long time ago, and not parroted things I read. There is plenty of evidence that silver (EIS) is not toxic without making false arguments, which is what I want to avoid, as when I myself find out that a fact is mis-stated or false, I tend to disbelieve everything else, you know? I simply want to be accurate. paula - Original Message - From: mamapug mailto:mama...@netzero.net Even water is toxic in amounts large enough to drown in. Water can also be toxic when swallowed in large amounts. Here in Utah, a couple is up for murder, for forcing their adopted child to drink quarts of water as a punishment. It killed her. She was 5. Marshalee
Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT
Interesting, thanks. I will certainly read the entire article, appreciate you sending the link. paula - Original Message - From: Rob Combis Paula- Here is a great article on colloidal silver. http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/colloidal_silver/Colloidal_Silver_Research.html. I think it does a great job in explaining everything about colloidal silver. I cut and pasted the parts I though appropriate for this discussion below, however the rest of the article is fantastic as well. Rob
CSany info on this site/product?
http://www.fountain-ofyouth.com/products/colloidal_silver.html I would like to know if anyone has purchased colloidal silver from this place, and maybe had Frank Key or Ole Bob test it? I don't want to buy or use it myself, just trying to figure out what the heck it is.Colloidal silver used for thousands of years? Couldn't have been EIS.geez these sites multiply like flies! Silver molecules? Huh? paula
Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT
Greetings, all: The debate on whether or not silver is a heavy metal is relatively trite. Are we talking legally? Medically? What exactly defines a heavy metal, and why? These are the questions that people, perhaps, should be asking. Medically, silver is not usually regarded as a heavy metal: http://www.cignamedicare.com/partb/lmrp/nc/cms_fu/2001-006.htm The term heavy metal is not a scientific one, nor is it a technical classification recognized by any school of formal modern chemistry: HEAVY METALS-A MEANINGLESS TERM? (IUPAC Technical Report) Prepared for publication by JOHN H. DUFFUS The Edinburgh Centre for Toxicology, 43 Mansionhouse Road, Edinburgh EH9 2JD, Scotland, United Kingdom http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2002/pdf/7405x0793.pdf As the above document shows, it depends on who you talk to, and what government regulatory agency is involved. According to Medicare, silver is not a heavy metal. SILVER IS A TRANSITION element that does not share the toxicology of other metals loosely coined heavy metals. People who get stuck on the heavy metal idea need to study the history of chemistry, and the history of the term heavy metal for clarity. Arguing with ignorance has little value. Best Regards, Jason silvermedicine.org -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSilver-resistant micro-organisms?
Hello Matthew, et al, Dr. Bart A. Flick, MD and Orthopedic Surgeon, that has been working with silver for about 15 years found that silver resistant bacteria. After a few generations cultured in a non-sliver-bearing environment, it lost its immunity. In order for bacteria to develop immunity, they must be exposed to an agent and survive the germicide. Apparently, there are no survivors with silver. JOH -Original Message- From: Matthew McCann PE [mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:57 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSilver-resistant micro-organisms? Hello, Members of the LIst! The new book on CS by Warren Jefferson, Colloidal Silver Today, noted the appearance of microbial resistance to silver, though it is not clear whether it is to silver in its colloidal form. Jefferson mentions that bacterial colonies have been found growing in silver mines. A Swedish research team found this strain was able was able to store (metallic?) silver in an outer wall of its cell structure. Jefferson also mentions three cases in a burn ward of a Massachusetts hospital of a Salmomella strain that was resistant to Ag+. The Silver List has devoted attention to colloids other than silver. These include gold, copper,zinc and some others. I would like to make note of an article in the October 2003 edition of Scientific American on a new break-through in the processing of titanium. Professor Chen of Cambridge University in England has discovered a way to reduce titanium oxide to pure metallic titanium by electrolysis. Until now, the reduction had to be Kroll's chemical method, which is difficult and expensive. The price of pure metallic titanium is expected to drop drastically soon. Commercial production of titanium began in the 1920s. Perhaps colloidal titanium was in the pre-1938 pharmacopeia. Can anybody tell me whether it was? Thanks in advance for any help in answering this question! Best regards, Matthew attachment: winmail.dat
RE: CSSpider Bite Question
Wayne, If there is an infectious component, the a Silver sol, infernally and topically should take care of it. The main damage from a BR bite is the vasoconstrictor. I suppose that a band aid soaked with nitroglycerin should work too. Jim -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wa...@fugitt.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSpider Bite Question Good Evening, I am at Day 6 after the spider bite. Day 1 until day 3, I thought it to be a fire ant. ( Day Three of treatment ) I did search the archives and read most of them. About 90 % relate to ignition systems. Actually, I have done, and am doing nearly everything possible, other than digging out my old transistor ignition system built in the 60's and using it. Question1. Can anyone beat this without antibiotics? Question2. What signs should I watch for to admit defeat and get antibiotics? Any other ideas or suggestions appreciated. One person said he was bitten by a Brown Recluse about a year ago and stated that the appearance of my bite area looks just like his did. Not good news. The bite is on the outside of the calf muscle. Yesterday the calf muscle was a tight as a drum. Today, it is not, except on the right side where the bite is located. I had a fever on Thursday, about one degree. Friday AM, I did not. I feel great and have no symptoms of anything being wrong. Am keeping a log of the things I am doing. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSsilver-heavy metal
Hi Sol, It is my understanding that the atomic weight is used to define metal weight. JOH -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:pcar...@wyoming.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:59 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSsilver-heavy metal I have read many times here that silver is NOT a heavy metal, but researching for another reason I ran across this link that specifically lists silver as a heavy metal, though it does not list silver as one of the commonly found toxic metals. So is silver a heavy metal or not? Anybody know its specific gravity? I am not about to give up my CS, but would like to be accurate when conversing with people who say silver is a heavy metal. I don't want to say is is not, if in fact it is paula http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-156.shtml#intro There are 35 metals that concern us because of occupational or residential exposure; 23 of these are the heavy elements or heavy metals: antimony, arsenic, bismuth, cadmium, cerium, chromium, cobalt, copper, gallium, gold, iron, lead, manganese, mercury, nickel, platinum, silver, tellurium, thallium, tin, uranium, vanadium, and zinc (Glanze 1996). Definition of a Heavy Metal Heavy metals are chemical elements with a specific gravity that is at least 5 times the specific gravity of water. The specific gravity of water is 1 at 4°C (39°F). Simply stated, specific gravity is a measure of density of a given amount of a solid substance when it is compared to an equal amount of water. Some well-known toxic metallic elements with a specific gravity that is 5 or more times that of water are arsenic, 5.7; cadmium, 8.65; iron, 7.9; lead, 11.34; and mercury, 13.546 (Lide 1992). Commonly Encountered Toxic Heavy MetALS * Arsenic http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-156.shtml#arsen * Lead http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-156.shtml#lead * Mercury http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-156.shtml#merc * Cadmium http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-156.shtml#cad * Iron http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-156.shtml#iron * Aluminum http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-156.shtml#alum
RE: CSSilver-resistant micro-organisms?
And, business as usual. JOH -Original Message- From: colloidal.sil...@cox.net [mailto:colloidal.sil...@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 2:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: colloidal.sil...@cox.net Subject: Re: CSSilver-resistant micro-organisms? Well... If we soon se a silver-resistant strain of the flu, that can be genetically traced to these bacteria, then that's rock solid proof for a class action suite against the vaccine flu flim flam business... Will they pick up on this tid bit and promptly breed a new flu strain using part of the rna dna of these bacteria ? Only time will tell. However if it is done, the charges should be both treason, and genecide. Regards, Alex - Original Message - From: Trem mailto:t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: CSSilver-resistant micro-organisms? Hi Mathew, DO you happen to have any more info on the outbreak? That is, did they use CS internally, how much, etc. Or was it some other silver compound like MSP? I tried to get the article mentioned by Warren in his book but the search function for the company he mentioned in his book is out of order and no note of how long it'll be down. I find it fishy that silver doesn't kill ALL bacteria except the ones we speak about in silver mines and their environs. I wouldn't be surprised to find it was a sham to put CS in a bad light. I wasn't aware any allopaths were using silver in 1999 and admitted to it...especially to knock it. Sounds fishy to me. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann PE mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: [silver_list] CSSilver-resistant micro-organisms? Hi, Marshall. Thanks for your information about the silver-mine micro-organisms. The outbreak of Ag+ resistant Salmonella in Massachusetts was reported in 1999. Maybe it was a fluke. Has anything like it been observed and reported since 1999? It is a concern, to be sure. But judging from news reports today, we have bigger fish to fry, pronto. New reports indicate that influenza vaccine stocks are low and perhaps depleted , sooner than expected. And it seems the vaccines were not formulated for the A-Fujian-H3N2 strain, which is expected to be the main culprit this season (which runs to May.) Matthew
Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT Part II
Paula: I agree with your desire to share accurate information, so perhaps we can come up with a technically accurate way to answer the question... Mine would be as follows: Is silver a heavy metal? Silver, medically, does not share the toxicology associated with what are commonly described as heavy metals. Legally, the definition of what is or is not a heavy metal varies depending on which regulatory agency one queries. According to SIGNA's medicare qualification documents, silver is not a heavy metal. The term heavy metal is not a scientific term, and there has never been consensus on the meaning of this term in the scientific community. By some definitions, both Magnesium and Potassium are heavy metals. Classification of heavy metal has never been scientifically based on any actual quality associated with any element, although many adaptations to the periodic table have been attempted, including gram atomic weight and by the number on the periodic table, both which have no real chemical significance-- not from a biological standpoint, a chemical standpoint, or any other scientifically demonstrable attribute including any medical significance. Ref: http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2002/pdf/7405x0793.pdf http://www.cignamedicare.com/partb/lmrp/nc/cms_fu/2001-006.htm - Original Message - From: sol To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT That's ok, people seem to be mis-reading my intent, I do not need arguments that silver is not toxic or that water can be toxic. I just want to stop telling folks it is not a heavy metal, if in fact it is. I have also read it called a transition metal, and the toxic heavy metals are also listed as transition metals on the table I sent the link to. I sh ould have researched this a long time ago, and not parroted things I read. There is plenty of evidence that silver (EIS) is not toxic without making false arguments, which is what I want to avoid, as when I myself find out that a fact is mis-stated or false, I tend to disbelieve everything else, you know? I simply want to be accurate. paula - Original Message - From: mamapug Even water is toxic in amounts large enough to drown in. Water can also be toxic when swallowed in large amounts. Here in Utah, a couple is up for murder, for forcing their adopted child to drink quarts of water as a punishment. It killed her. She was 5. Marshalee
Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT
Jason, Thanks for the info and links, very helpful. I am very familiar with terms thrown around loosely. Nevertheless, when I tell someone about CS, I don't want to give ambiguous or misleading information. I don't care for easily misinterpreted terms. I particularly like this: SILVER IS A TRANSITION element that does not share the toxicology of other metals loosely coined heavy metals. very nice explanation, paula - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net The debate on whether or not silver is a heavy metal is relatively trite. Are we talking legally? Medically? What exactly defines a heavy metal, and why? These are the questions that people, perhaps, should be asking. Medically, silver is not usually regarded as a heavy metal: http://www.cignamedicare.com/partb/lmrp/nc/cms_fu/2001-006.htm The term heavy metal is not a scientific one, nor is it a technical classification recognized by any school of formal modern chemistry: HEAVY METALS-A MEANINGLESS TERM? (IUPAC Technical Report) Prepared for publication by JOHN H. DUFFUS The Edinburgh Centre for Toxicology, 43 Mansionhouse Road, Edinburgh EH9 2JD, Scotland, United Kingdom http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2002/pdf/7405x0793.pdf As the above document shows, it depends on who you talk to, and what government regulatory agency is involved. According to Medicare, silver is not a heavy metal. SILVER IS A TRANSITION element that does not share the toxicology of other metals loosely coined heavy metals. People who get stuck on the heavy metal idea need to study the history of chemistry, and the history of the term heavy metal for clarity. Arguing with ignorance has little value. Best Regards, Jason silvermedicine.org -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver-heavy metal NOT Part II
Jason, I think the sentence in your previous email covered it very well, but I do appreciate this additional info very much. paula - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton Classification of heavy metal has never been scientifically based on any actual quality associated with any element, although many adaptations to the periodic table have been attempted, including gram atomic weight and by the number on the periodic table, both which have no real chemical significance-- not from a biological standpoint, a chemical standpoint, or any other scientifically demonstrable attribute including any medical significance. Ref: http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2002/pdf/7405x0793.pdf http://www.cignamedicare.com/partb/lmrp/nc/cms_fu/2001-006.htm
