CSmaking the CS with an AC device

[Pavel Hochmut]

Hi,
Can enybody tell me some more details about the device which uses an AC ?
I especially want to know something about timing i.e. frequency of the
changing current and other differences if they are any.
Many thanks
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CSDengue Fever

[Marie Hofman]

I wish to post this to the silver list, this is my first post, I hope I do it right!
My husband was diagnosed with MS 9 years ago, he was once an avid sportsperson and travelled the world thirteen times.He is now diminished to a bedridden person who gets hoisted from and to a bed and bathroom chair. He is 48. He cannot move, is chronically cognitively damaged andis totally incontinent. He contracted Dengue Fever while in Thailand a few years before symptons began. He didn't choose to have a blood transfusion there, but chose whatever drugs they gave him at the time and recovered. I think the Dengue Fever has caused the MS, even more, I am wondering whether he has Lyme. Does anybody out there know whether the Mosquito that causes Dengue Fever and the Tick that causes Lyme could have the same bacteria? or even whether it was possible to mistake the mosquito bite for a tick bite? I have him on a diet by Gerald Green a UK Herbalist, anti-candida and anti-gluten, also since finding out about CS have started administering 20ml 3 times a day (over a week) and am going to slow that down each week. Thankx.
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CSDengue Fever

[Marie Hofman]

I wish to post this to the silver list, this is my first post, I hope I do it right!
My husband was diagnosed with MS 9 years ago, he was once an avid sportsperson and travelled the world thirteen times.He is now diminished to a bedridden person who gets hoisted from and to a bed and bathroom chair. He is 48. He cannot move, is chronically cognitively damaged andis totally incontinent. He contracted Dengue Fever while in Thailand a few years before symptons began. He didn't choose to have a blood transfusion there, but chose whatever drugs they gave him at the time and recovered. I think the Dengue Fever has caused the MS, even more, I am wondering whether he has Lyme. Does anybody out there know whether the Mosquito that causes Dengue Fever and the Tick that causes Lyme could have the same bacteria? or even whether it was possible to mistake the mosquito bite for a tick bite? I have him on a diet by Gerald Green a UK Herbalist, anti-candida and anti-gluten, also since finding out about CS have started administering 20ml 3 times a day (over a week) and am going to slow that down each week. Thankx.
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Re: CSlung congestion

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Thanks,  I will do some research when time permits, and am always glad 
to learn something new.All the same, I think we can NEVER go wrong 
in discussing all the caveats,  given the wide range of list member 
knowledge and lack thereof.I myself have had splendid results with 
H202 orally and have ingested it experimentally,  but even now retain 
some reservations about nebulizing  the stuff, though I am open to 
learning more.


Incidentally,  now that the information is circulating no this list,  
it would be very nice indeed if you would mention the normal dilution 
for nebulizing.   Thanks.


All members should remember the the 35% food grade product requires 
VERY careful handling.






JBB



On Saturday, Apr 17, 2004, at 01:19 Asia/Tokyo, Sara Mandal-Joy wrote:

Jonathon  - please do a search on list site for H202 - or go to one of 
the

peroxide lists.  This is being used regularly, both orally and by
nebulizing, by many of us, with great results.  Proper dilution needs 
to be

used, but that is the only issue of concern.  Joy




I share Ron's concern.




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Re: CSDengue Fever

[missett]

Marie:

I can't answer your question precisely, since I don't  know for sure.  But as 
an experienced dengue fever victim, I can tell you that I think tey are 
different.  If it was the same bacteria, you'd have the same physiological 
symptoms, and you don't.

I've had dengue about 25 times, and the aches, high fever, intense chills and 
finally hallucinations that you suffer with it are a far cry from the symptoms 
of Lyme, as I understand them.

Since starting to consume CS in 1996,  I have not had a single case of dengue, 
which is the biggest blessing of CS for me, because I used to get 2-3 cases a 
year. I live in southern Mexico, where it is prevalent.

Hope this clarifies the situation.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marie Hofman 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:56 AM
  Subject: CSDengue Fever


  I wish to post this to the silver list,  this is my first post,  I hope I do 
it right!

  My husband was diagnosed with MS 9 years ago,  he was once an avid 
sportsperson and travelled the world thirteen times. He is now diminished to a 
bedridden person who gets hoisted from and to a bed and bathroom chair.  He is 
48. He cannot move, is chronically cognitively damaged and is totally 
incontinent.  He contracted Dengue Fever while in Thailand a few years before 
symptons began.   He didn't choose to have a blood transfusion there,  but 
chose whatever drugs they gave him at the time and recovered.  I think the 
Dengue Fever has caused the MS,  even more,  I am wondering whether he has 
Lyme.  Does anybody out there know whether the Mosquito that causes Dengue 
Fever and the Tick that causes Lyme could have the same bacteria?  or even 
whether it was possible to mistake the mosquito bite for a tick bite?  I have 
him on a diet by Gerald Green a UK Herbalist,  anti-candida and anti-gluten,  
al! so since finding out about CS have started administering 20ml 3 times a day 
(over a week) and am going to slow that down each week. Thankx.

  Marie.





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Re: CSCS and horses

[Garnet]

Banamine and Dexamethasone act on different tissues. Some use Azium and
Banamine in for WNV. The point is to get the inflammation down in all
tissues.

On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 18:48, oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote:
 Hi Garnet,
 
 Can you tell me why you would give two steroids at the same time?  Or, do
 you mean either one?  Both are anti-inflammatory meds.  I hadn't heard this
 about steroids before and am very interested.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Jean Baugh
 
 
  
  Hint on West Nile in horses, watch for the slightest lip tremble or gait
  abnormality. Give Banamine and Dexamethasone immediately. Early
  intervetion is key and many DO survive. The numbers of deaths in horses
  is exaggerated but those who do survive were not the vaccinated but the
  ones who got early care with anti-inflammatories.
  
  Of course CS and prevention is best!
  
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Re: CSDengue Fever

[Marie Hofman]

This is very interesting, very very interesting, please give me information if you have it, I have now learned that if you have had Dengue Fever then it keeps repeating on you over and over, is this correct? because Dave has never had a repeat of Dengue Fever, just the oneattack while in Thailand and then followed a few years later by being diagnosed with MS symptoms which the Doctors just walk away from. It is only recently that I have been giving him CS and I see a noted difference in his supra pubic catheter, very clear and pure urine always. Is there some hope? does somebody out there know? Seems strange that Dave doesn't have the fevers mentioned, just MS. I am convinced his MS is a result of the Dengue Fever, there has to be some reason for this and some cure. He even seems different to most MS sufferers. Just a steady decline in every way.That's why I thought of Lyme? Many thanks for your comments, we live in New Zealand where these things are unheard of butDave travelled a lot so it is beyond us?
Help! 
Marie.
From: missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSDengue Fever 
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:51:19 -0500 
 
Marie: 
 
I can't answer your question precisely, since I don'tknow for sure.But as an experienced dengue fever victim, I can tell you that I think tey are different.If it was the same bacteria, you'd have the same physiological symptoms, and you don't. 
 
I've had dengue about 25 times, and the aches, high fever, intense chills and finally hallucinations that you suffer with it are a far cry from the symptoms of Lyme, as I understand them. 
 
Since starting to consume CS in 1996,I have not had a single case of dengue, which is the biggest blessing of CS for me, because I used to get 2-3 cases a year. I live in southern Mexico, where it is prevalent. 
 
Hope this clarifies the situation. 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Marie Hofman 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:56 AM 
 Subject: CSDengue Fever 
 
 
 I wish to post this to the silver list,this is my first post,I hope I do it right! 
 
 My husband was diagnosed with MS 9 years ago,he was once an avid sportsperson and travelled the world thirteen times. He is now diminished to a bedridden person who gets hoisted from and to a bed and bathroom chair.He is 48. He cannot move, is chronically cognitively damaged and is totally incontinent.He contracted Dengue Fever while in Thailand a few years before symptons began. He didn't choose to have a blood transfusion there,but chose whatever drugs they gave him at the time and recovered.I think the Dengue Fever has caused the MS,even more,I am wondering whether he has Lyme.Does anybody out there know whether the Mosquito that causes Dengue Fever and the Tick that causes Lyme could have the same bacteria?or even whether it was possible to mistake the mosquito bite for a tick bite?I have him on a diet by Gerald Green a UK Herbalist,anti-candida and anti-gluten,al! so since finding out about CS have started administering 20ml 3 times a day (over a week) and am going to slow that down each week. Thankx. 
 
 Marie. 
 
 
 
 
 
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CSThe Electro-Chemical Body

[Stuff]

The actual title of this 62 page discussion is

The Electrical Properties of Cancer Cells
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:rkzO1XJOhbQJ:www.royalrife.com/haltiwanger1.pdf+electrical+properties+aerobic+bacteriahl=enie=UTF-8

Much of this article makes me feel like a hog looking at a wrist watch so 
I'll wade thru it all later hoping
I can at least tell whether it's day or night even tho I might not know 
precisely what time it is.


Maybe someone here who knows how to read the watch can bring up some 
salient points.


I couldn't get the .pdf to load so the link is html.

stuff


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Re: CSGood and bad bugs

[Garnet]

The point has been made that because the beneficial microbes (some are
actually yeasts, but not Candida) occupy the lining of the intestinal
wall in the lower gut for the most part they are not accessed by the CS
as readily.

Indeed this is true for oral medications and supplements taken to kill
Candida Overgrowth or Dysbiosis in the lower gut. They do not reach that
area well, in high enough concentrations, to kill Candida effectively.
It is a difficult area to treat orally. Most who are successful at
ridding themselves of Candida in that area use enemas and starvation
(Candida diet eliminates sugars and starches so they starve, not the
person). 

I would not put CS in an enema unless there was a very good reason and
then I would definitely take probiotics several times a day and for two
weeks after to reestablish normal gut flora, it would also be the liquid
very high count type with specific species for each area of the gut I
was trying to recolonize. Different areas have different beneficial
bacteria and yeast.

Another indication that CS is not killling of healthy gut flora is that
we are not hearing of raging Candida Dysbiosis in the long term users of
CS. It would not take very long for Candida to spread if CS were killing
off the beneficials.

Having had raging Candida Overgrowth for a period of years due to the
immune suppression of mold fumes that made my family very ill, I do know
what it feels like.

Garnet

On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 18:55, Pavel Hochmut wrote:
 Sorry,
 But I didn´t want to talk about goog or bad bugs, or where they are
 placed.
 Bloodsteam or any intestine or other tissue, the bugs are everywhere
 BUT so the CS (if applied) also does. 
 My interest is to find an answer (very simplified) to: Why some of
 bugs are immune to the CS and some of them are NOT..
 Forget good and the bad ones. So only we call them. But I find very
 suspicious, that these that we call good ones are by the merest
 chance immune to the CS.
 That´s really upsetting and it sounds to me like brujería i.e. some
 kind of witchcraft in Spanish language.
 Pavel H.
  
  
  On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 21:22, Terry Chamberlin wrote:
   Of course, the good bugs
   reside mostly in the small intestine
  
  I believe this is incorrect. You may want to review your sources,
 but if
  memory serves the beneficial bacteria are in the large intestines
 mostly
  and if they are in the small intestines it is not the prevalent
  location. Different species live in different areas.
  
  Also where Candida overgrows is where the beneficial organsims are
  suppose to be.
  
  
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Re: CSMarshalee's Arthritis

[Garnet]

I know of several who can not eat cheese inparticular and dairy in
general with their arthritis flaring. No dairy = no arthritis for them.


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Re: CS

[Garnet]

Same here!! My daughter, born 1985, was tracking me with her eyes at
very active at a very early age. Even the docs commented on it. She was
also born Blue!

I homeschooled her, she is now 18, and talk about being able to talk
circles around someone and knowing way more for her age. We were sharing
dreams, telepathy and well more than I can describe in words. I have no
doubt that this kid is different and chose us as parents for a very
specific reason.

Garnet

On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 00:24, Christine Carleton wrote:
 Bill,
 
 When she was 5days old I looked into her eyes and knew my teacher was
 before me. I had no idea of what an Indigo child was then - 1983.  I
 did diapers, food, driving etc., and I had to figure out what she was
 teaching me.  Learned lots about thinking.  Learned lots about scope
 of the human potential. Sometimes, many times, actually most times I
 was still locked in the 'conditioning' of the 60's.  Some things I
 caught, some I missed.  She can think circles around me - and leave me
 in the dust.  Ironically I leave some people in the dust, or as been
 said - not so POPULAR - so I guess all is fair ...  Oh well... That's
 how it is.  
 
 Your an indigo aren't you?
 
 Christine
 thebodytalkcli...@telus.net
 
 
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Re: CSFW: CSlung congestio

[Stuff]

At 11:46 AM 4/17/2004 -0700, Christine wrote:

The indigo children are different and can see through our 'sick sickness 
games'


Hell, I'm an indigo child and I was born well before the '80s.

http://www.metagifted.org/topics/metagifted/indigo/isYourChildAnIndigo.html



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Re: CSDengue Fever

[William Meyer]

lyme and dengue are different. you can have them both.
i had a friend who worked in the amazon for a spell, returned, and got 
sick

almost immediately on his return to the states.
upon learning he was in the amazon the docs put him in a special room
for possible deadly contagion of stuff like ebola, etc..
during the course of examination they found a tick bite. turned out
he had been bitten immediately upon his return to the states and had
lyme disease.



On Apr 18, 2004, at 3:56 AM, Marie Hofman wrote:

I wish to post this to the silver list,  this is my first post,  I 
hope I do it right!


My husband was diagnosed with MS 9 years ago,  he was once an avid 
sportsperson and travelled the world thirteen times. He is now 
diminished to a bedridden person who gets hoisted from and to a bed 
and bathroom chair.  He is 48. He cannot move, is chronically 
cognitively damaged and is totally incontinent.  He contracted Dengue 
Fever while in Thailand a few years before symptons began.   He didn't 
choose to have a blood transfusion there,  but chose whatever drugs 
they gave him at the time and recovered.  I think the Dengue Fever has 
caused the MS,  even more,  I am wondering whether he has Lyme.  Does 
anybody out there know whether the Mosquito that causes Dengue Fever 
and the Tick that causes Lyme could have the same bacteria?  or even 
whether it was possible to mistake the mosquito bite for a tick bite?  
I have him on a diet by Gerald Green a UK Herbalist,  anti-candida and 
anti-gluten,  al!  so since finding out about CS have started 
administering 20ml 3 times a day (over a week) and am going to slow 
that down each week. Thankx.


Marie.


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Re: CSDengue Fever

[Marie Hofman]

Lyme and Dengue may be different, but are Lyme and MS different? That is the big question, and is CS a major help here?
Many thanks for your comments
Marie.
From: William Meyer calis...@earthlink.net 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSDengue Fever 
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:42:55 -0400 
 
lyme and dengue are different. you can have them both. 
i had a friend who worked in the amazon for a spell, returned, and 
got sick 
almost immediately on his return to the states. 
upon learning he was in the amazon the docs put him in a special 
room 
for possible deadly contagion of stuff like ebola, etc.. 
during the course of examination they found a tick bite. turned out 
he had been bitten immediately upon his return to the states and had 
lyme disease. 
 
 
 
On Apr 18, 2004, at 3:56 AM, Marie Hofman wrote: 
 
I wish to post this to the silver list, this is my first post, I 
hope I do it right! 
 
My husband was diagnosed with MS 9 years ago, he was once an avid 
sportsperson and travelled the world thirteen times.He is now 
diminished to a bedridden person who gets hoisted from and to a bed 
and bathroom chair. He is 48. He cannot move, is chronically 
cognitively damaged andis totally incontinent. He contracted 
Dengue Fever while in Thailand a few years before symptons began. 
He didn't choose to have a blood transfusion there, but chose 
whatever drugs they gave him at the time and recovered. I think 
the Dengue Fever has caused the MS, even more, I am wondering 
whether he has Lyme. Does anybody out there know whether the 
Mosquito that causes Dengue Fever and the Tick that causes Lyme 
could have the same bacteria? or even whether it was possible to 
mistake the mosquito bite for a tick bite? I have him on a diet by 
Gerald Green a UK Herbalist, anti-candida and anti-gluten, al! 
so since finding out about CS have started administering 20ml 3 
times a day (over a week) and am going to slow that down each week. 
Thankx. 
 
Marie. 
 
 
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Re: CSDengue Fever

[Garnet]

According to the Merck Manual . .   Dengue is caused by a Group B
Arbovirus transmitted by the Aedes misquito.

Lyme is caused by a spirochete bacteria transmitted by ticks.

An attack produces immunity for a year or more.. Dengue may be confused
with Colorado Tick Fever (Rocky Mtn?), typhus, yellow fever or other
hemorrhagic fevers. Serologic diagnosis is complicated by cross
reactions with other Group B arbovirus antibodies.

DMSO has shown some promising results with MS patients. www.dmso.org

Garnet

On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 08:03, Marie Hofman wrote:
 This is very interesting,  very very interesting,  please  give me
 information if you have it,  I have now learned that if you have had
 Dengue Fever then it keeps repeating on you over and over, is this
 correct?  because Dave has never had a repeat of Dengue Fever,  just
 the one attack while in Thailand and then  followed a few years later
 by being diagnosed with MS symptoms which the Doctors just walk away
 from.  It is only recently that I have been giving him CS  and I see a
 noted difference in his supra pubic catheter,  very clear and pure
 urine always.  Is there some hope?  does somebody out there know? 
 Seems strange that Dave doesn't have the fevers mentioned,  just MS. 
 I am convinced his MS is a result of the Dengue Fever,  there has to
 be some reason for this and some cure.  He even seems different to
 most MS sufferers.  Just a steady decline in every way. That's w! hy I
 thought of Lyme?  Many thanks for your comments,  we live in New
 Zealand where these things are unheard of but Dave travelled a lot so
 it is beyond us?
 
 Help! 
 
 Marie. 
 
 
 
 
 From: missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx 
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Subject: Re: CSDengue Fever 
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:51:19 -0500 
  
 Marie: 
  
 I can't answer your question precisely, since I don't  know for
 sure.  But as an experienced dengue fever victim, I can tell you that
 I think tey are different.  If it was the same bacteria, you'd have
 the same physiological symptoms, and you don't. 
  
 I've had dengue about 25 times, and the aches, high fever, intense
 chills and finally hallucinations that you suffer with it are a far
 cry from the symptoms of Lyme, as I understand them. 
  
 Since starting to consume CS in 1996,  I have not had a single case
 of dengue, which is the biggest blessing of CS for me, because I used
 to get 2-3 cases a year. I live in southern Mexico, where it is
 prevalent. 
  
 Hope this clarifies the situation. 
- Original Message - 
From: Marie Hofman 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:56 AM 
Subject: CSDengue Fever 
  
  
I wish to post this to the silver list,  this is my first post,  I
 hope I do it right! 
  
My husband was diagnosed with MS 9 years ago,  he was once an avid
 sportsperson and travelled the world thirteen times. He is now
 diminished to a bedridden person who gets hoisted from and to a bed
 and bathroom chair.  He is 48. He cannot move, is chronically
 cognitively damaged and is totally incontinent.  He contracted Dengue
 Fever while in Thailand a few years before symptons began.   He didn't
 choose to have a blood transfusion there,  but chose whatever drugs
 they gave him at the time and recovered.  I think the Dengue Fever has
 caused the MS,  even more,  I am wondering whether he has Lyme.  Does
 anybody out there know whether the Mosquito that causes Dengue Fever
 and the Tick that causes Lyme could have the same bacteria?  or even
 whether it was possible to mistake the mosquito bite for a tick
 bite?  I have him on a diet by Gerald G! reen a UK
 Herbalist,  anti-candida and anti-gluten,  al! so since finding out
 about CS have started administering 20ml 3 times a day (over a week)
 and am going to slow that down each week. Thankx. 
  
Marie. 
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: CSGood and bad bugs

[M. G. Devour]

Pavel writes:
 Sorry,
 But I didn t want to talk about goog or bad bugs, or where they are
 placed. Bloodsteam or any intestine or other tissue, the bugs are
 everywhere BUT so the CS (if applied) also does. My interest is to find
 an answer (very simplified) to: Why some of bugs are immune to the CS
 and some of them are NOT.. 

If it's not clear to you yet, Pavel, let me re-state what folks have 
said:

CS kills just about any bacteria you can find. It will even kill the 
flora in the intestine if you take enough of it.

The only reason that it *seems* CS will leave the good bacteria in 
the gut alone is that, most of the time, the CS just won't get there in 
enough concentration to do anything.

If the person has had nausea and diarrhea that has emptied out the 
entire alimentary canal then chugging a bunch of CS will probably be 
effective in clearing out the whole system, for the simple reason that 
it now can get to where the bugs are. 

In such a case it would be useful to repopulate the gut with a 
probiotic of some sort, afterwards.

Hope that clears it up for you.

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Re: CSRe: CS Question x DW problems

[Stuff]

At 07:46 AM 4/17/2004 -0300, sandee wrote:

Hi There Pavel - from my understanding and ex-
perience the distilled water  sold in gas stations
is really deionized water and as you rightly state has nothing to do with
steam distillation.   Properly distilled water reads .000 on a PWT from
Hanna.   So take your tester with you before you purchase !



Agreed but where do you buy DW that reads .000 on a PWT?

What's the brand name?

stuff


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Re: CSCS Question x DW problems

[Stuff]

Thanks for clearing that up, Trem.

I even went along and wrote .000 when I knew better.

stuff

At 01:40 PM 4/17/2004 -0700, you wrote:

Hi Sandee,

I sell Hanna PWT meters and have never seen any DW read 00.0.  Lowest I ever
saw was 00.5 uS  I have seen deionized water purchased at a local Safeway
store with lower readings than any DW ever purchased so DI water is
acceptable to use to make CS.  It all depends on the conductivity, not the
process involved in producing it.

The meter does NOT read to three decimal places as you suggest.  It reads
only one decimal place as I have shown above.

Trem
www.silvergen.com


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From: sandee George oha...@juno.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 3:46 AM
Subject: [silver_list] CSRe: CS Question x DW problems


 Hi There Pavel - from my understanding and ex-
 perience the distilled water  sold in gas stations
 is really deionized water and as you rightly state has nothing to do with
 steam distillation.   Properly distilled water reads .000 on a PWT from
 Hanna.   So take your tester with you before you purchase !   A truly
 good
 steam distiller is made out of glass and has no plastic
 components and is therefore not cheap, all the counter top distillers I
 have investigated and own one are not going to give you a .000 reading
 the best I have
 achieved with mine using rain water is 1.3 and as you
 rightly say the quality of the water to begin with is
 of upmost importance    The same formula which we
 all know used for computers is the same in this case -
 s in = s out !
 Regards to all
 Sandee

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Re: CSMarshalee's Arthritis

[Christine Carleton]

Marshalee

I also know folks who loose the stiffness and pain when they cut dairy and
wheat from their diet and be aware of GM foods.  No microwaved food.

And that is wheat in everything - this  is a big one - because over 20% of
our food is not labelled with wheat in it - see www.mercola.com and search
about wheat for more info.  Also
http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Genetically-Modified-Foods-at-a-Glance.php
Currently Commercialized GM Crops in the U.S. Soy (80%), cotton (70%),
canola (60%), corn (38%), Hawaiian papaya (more than 50%), zucchini and
yellow squash (small amount), and tobacco (Quest® brand).

Other Sources of GMOs -- Dairy products from cows injected with rbGH. Food
additives, enzymes, flavorings, and processing agents, including the
sweetener aspartame (NutraSweet®) and rennet used to make hard cheeses.

The good news is they can use dairy occasionally - like once a week as a
condiment - e.g. cream in coffee.

Christine

 From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:06:46 -0500
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSMarshalee's Arthritis
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:11:46 -0700
 
 I know of several who can not eat cheese inparticular and dairy in
 general with their arthritis flaring. No dairy = no arthritis for them.



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Re: CSDengue Fever

[missett]

Although there is some anecdotal evidence that Dengue is cyclical (from my 
wife's doctor) I tend to think that it is more likely a mild new case of the 
disease.  In my 15 years of dengue experience (pre-CS) I never experienced what 
I thought was a reoccurence of dengue.  

The doctor in question also informed us that those exposed to dengue gradually 
develop an immunity to it. (NOT!!!)

I do not think dengue is the cause of MS, nor do I think they are linked, but I 
am not a doctor or an epidemologist.  If that was the case, I'd be an MS victim 
many times over.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Marie Hofman 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:03 AM
  Subject: Re: CSDengue Fever


  This is very interesting,  very very interesting,  please  give me 
information if you have it,  I have now learned that if you have had Dengue 
Fever then it keeps repeating on you over and over, is this correct?  because 
Dave has never had a repeat of Dengue Fever,  just the one attack while in 
Thailand and then  followed a few years later by being diagnosed with MS 
symptoms which the Doctors just walk away from.  It is only recently that I 
have been giving him CS  and I see a noted difference in his supra pubic 
catheter,  very clear and pure urine always.  Is there some hope?  does 
somebody out there know?  Seems strange that Dave doesn't have the fevers 
mentioned,  just MS.  I am convinced his MS is a result of the Dengue Fever,  
there has to be some reason for this and some cure.  He even seems different to 
most MS sufferers.  Just a steady decline in every way. That's w! hy I thought 
of Lyme?  Many thanks for your comments,  we live in New Zealand where these 
things are unheard of but Dave travelled a lot so it is beyond us?

  Help! 

  Marie. 



  From: missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx 
  Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Subject: Re: CSDengue Fever 
  Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:51:19 -0500 
   
  Marie: 
   
  I can't answer your question precisely, since I don't  know for sure.  But 
as an experienced dengue fever victim, I can tell you that I think tey are 
different.  If it was the same bacteria, you'd have the same physiological 
symptoms, and you don't. 
   
  I've had dengue about 25 times, and the aches, high fever, intense chills 
and finally hallucinations that you suffer with it are a far cry from the 
symptoms of Lyme, as I understand them. 
   
  Since starting to consume CS in 1996,  I have not had a single case of 
dengue, which is the biggest blessing of CS for me, because I used to get 2-3 
cases a year. I live in southern Mexico, where it is prevalent. 
   
  Hope this clarifies the situation. 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Marie Hofman 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:56 AM 
 Subject: CSDengue Fever 
   
   
 I wish to post this to the silver list,  this is my first post,  I hope I 
do it right! 
   
 My husband was diagnosed with MS 9 years ago,  he was once an avid 
sportsperson and travelled the world thirteen times. He is now diminished to a 
bedridden person who gets hoisted from and to a bed and bathroom chair.  He is 
48. He cannot move, is chronically cognitively damaged and is totally 
incontinent.  He contracted Dengue Fever while in Thailand a few years before 
symptons began.   He didn't choose to have a blood transfusion there,  but 
chose whatever drugs they gave him at the time and recovered.  I think the 
Dengue Fever has caused the MS,  even more,  I am wondering whether he has 
Lyme.  Does anybody out there know whether the Mosquito that causes Dengue 
Fever and the Tick that causes Lyme could have the same bacteria?  or even 
whether it was possible to mistake the mosquito bite for a tick bite?  I have 
him on a diet by Gerald G! reen a UK Herbalist,  anti-candida and anti-gluten,  
al! so since finding out about CS have started administering 20ml 3 times a day 
(over a week) and am going to slow that down each week. Thankx. 
   
 Marie. 
   
   
   
   
   
  
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Re: CS

[Marmar845]

In a message dated 4/18/04 12:25:05 AM Central Daylight Time, 
essential-liv...@telus.net writes:


 I had no idea of what an Indigo child was then - 1983.  

And I still don't -- in 2004!   MA

Re: CS

[David Bearrow]

At 09:43 AM 4/18/04, you wrote:
In a message dated 4/18/04 12:25:05 AM Central Daylight Time, 
essential-liv...@telus.net writes:




I had no idea of what an Indigo child was then - 1983.



And I still don't -- in 2004!   MA


Be glad you don't. Its more of that new age mumbo jumbo nonsense. 



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Re: CS Indigo potential

[Christine Carleton]

Garnet,

One situation I remember clearly was when I discussed eating - not needing
physical food but utilising the energies from the universe.  She smiled and
said 'Yes, but that did not mean that I would loose weight'.
I looked at her and asked ' Do you understood what I mean? How's that for
old folk arrogance when talking to a 12 year old?
She said,' Mom, your on the right track but you need to continue to think it
through'.  
I asked why she did not tell me.  She said she had no permission to talk
about it unless I got to that point.
These kids have a lot to offer when folks get beyond 'wrong or right', good
or bad or limitations of what potential we have.

Christine
thebodytalkcli...@telus.net

 From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:09:52 -0500
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CS
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:13:12 -0700
 
 Same here!! My daughter, born 1985, was tracking me with her eyes at
 very active at a very early age. Even the docs commented on it. She was
 also born Blue!
 
 I homeschooled her, she is now 18, and talk about being able to talk
 circles around someone and knowing way more for her age. We were sharing
 dreams, telepathy and well more than I can describe in words. I have no
 doubt that this kid is different and chose us as parents for a very
 specific reason.
 
 Garnet
 
 On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 00:24, Christine Carleton wrote:


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Re: CS Indigo potential

[David Bearrow]

At 09:49 AM 4/18/04, you wrote:

Garnet,

One situation I remember clearly was when I discussed eating - not needing
physical food but utilising the energies from the universe.  She smiled and
said 'Yes, but that did not mean that I would loose weight'.
I looked at her and asked ' Do you understood what I mean? How's that for
old folk arrogance when talking to a 12 year old?
She said,' Mom, your on the right track but you need to continue to think it
through'.
I asked why she did not tell me.  She said she had no permission to talk
about it unless I got to that point.


What you did was empower a 12 year old to feel superior. She was just 
playing mind games with you implying that a higher power did not authorize 
her to disclose secret information. And you bit into it hook, line, and 
sinker. 



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Re: CSIndigo

[Christine Carleton]

Garnet,
I am not sure about these details.  I know that 4th, 5th, and 6th
predominate chakra consciousness can see through some of the sickness stuff.
I'm not sure that that is the same as having a third strand in their DNA
which is evident in the indigos.
Dr. David Hawkins has a chart in Power vs Force that parallels chakra
consciousness. He states that 80% of the people are (on his graph) around
the 200 MHz level - right/wrong, good/bad consciousness, with 80% of the
balance being in 3rd chakra, and 80% of the balance being in the 4th, on up.
Do you see my confusion?
Other than a blood test - which was originally done on babies in the '90's
that were born with AIDS, and no longer have it - and the info started to
get 'buried', how can one discern accurately the difference?
Christine

 From: Stuff st...@laguna.com.mx
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:13:52 -0500
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSFW: CSlung congestio
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:13:53 -0700
 
 At 11:46 AM 4/17/2004 -0700, Christine wrote:
 
 The indigo children are different and can see through our 'sick sickness
 games'
 
 Hell, I'm an indigo child and I was born well before the '80s.
 
 http://www.metagifted.org/topics/metagifted/indigo/isYourChildAnIndigo.html


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Re: CSDengue Fever

[William Meyer]

i have no doubt that lyme is the cause of some MS syndromes.
how would you know?
treat the patient as if they had lyme.
colloidal silver absolutely, dr zhang's garlic capsules.
possibly hyperbaric.
definitely a good rife machine.
lyme loves carbohydrates -especially the simpler ones.
reduce and eliminate sugar and sweeteners.
most of these protocols will help even other conditions and will not 
hurt

the body.
what have you to lose?

bee sting therapy has brought relief to quite a few MS patients. it
just so happens that bee venom has been found to strongly inhibit
the lyme bacteria. coincidence?

once you forget the b_s medical doctors you have a chance.
don't expect a majik bullet.
expect constant, long term treatment. expect improvement.
there is every chance you will get it and quite a chance you will
succeed in one of your treatments.



On Apr 18, 2004, at 9:48 AM, Marie Hofman wrote:

Lyme and Dengue may be different,  but are Lyme and MS different?  
That is the big question,  and is CS a major help here?


Many thanks for your comments

Marie.

From: William Meyer calis...@earthlink.net
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSDengue Fever
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:42:55 -0400
 
 lyme and dengue are different. you can have them both.
 i had a friend who worked in the amazon for a spell, returned, and
 got sick
 almost immediately on his return to the states.
 upon learning he was in the amazon the docs put him in a special
 room
 for possible deadly contagion of stuff like ebola, etc..
 during the course of examination they found a tick bite. turned out
 he had been bitten immediately upon his return to the states and had
 lyme disease.
 
 
 
 On Apr 18, 2004, at 3:56 AM, Marie Hofman wrote:
 
 I wish to post this to the silver list,  this is my first post,  I
 hope I do it right!
 
 My husband was diagnosed with MS 9 years ago,  he was once an avid
 sportsperson and travelled the world thirteen times. He is now
 diminished to a bedridden person who gets hoisted from and to a bed
 and bathroom chair.  He is 48. He cannot move, is chronically
 cognitively damaged and is totally incontinent.  He contracted
 Dengue Fever while in Thailand a few years before symptons began.  
 He didn't choose to have a blood transfusion there,  but chose
 whatever drugs they gave him at the time and recovered.  I think
 the Dengue Fever has caused the MS,  even more,  I am wondering
 whether he has Lyme.  Does anybody out there know whether the
 Mosquito that causes Dengue Fever and the Tick that causes Lyme
 could have the same bacteria?  or even whether it was possible to
 mistake the mosquito bite for a tick bite?  I have him on a diet by
 Gerald Green a UK Herbalist,  anti-candida and anti-gluten,  al!  
 so since finding out about CS have started administering 20ml 3
 times a day (over a week) and am going to slow that down each week.
 Thankx.
 
 Marie.
 
 
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Re: CSMarshalee's Arthritis

[William Meyer]

if you are a celiac like me, you must avoid all wheat rye oats barley.
wheat is added to everything.
soy sauce, fake crab meat, canned soups, some tortilla chips etc etc etc
add to that cross-contamination by cutting boards and grain mills etc
if one is a celiac one should avoid eating out.
have to make your own food.


On Apr 18, 2004, at 10:40 AM, Christine Carleton wrote:


Marshalee

I also know folks who loose the stiffness and pain when they cut dairy  
and

wheat from their diet and be aware of GM foods.  No microwaved food.

And that is wheat in everything - this  is a big one - because over  
20% of
our food is not labelled with wheat in it - see www.mercola.com and  
search

about wheat for more info.  Also
http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Genetically-Modified-Foods-at-a- 
Glance.php

Currently Commercialized GM Crops in the U.S. Soy (80%), cotton (70%),
canola (60%), corn (38%), Hawaiian papaya (more than 50%), zucchini and
yellow squash (small amount), and tobacco (Quest® brand).

Other Sources of GMOs -- Dairy products from cows injected with rbGH.  
Food

additives, enzymes, flavorings, and processing agents, including the
sweetener aspartame (NutraSweet®) and rennet used to make hard cheeses.

The good news is they can use dairy occasionally - like once a week as  
a

condiment - e.g. cream in coffee.

Christine


From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net
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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:06:46 -0500
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMarshalee's Arthritis
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Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:11:46 -0700

I know of several who can not eat cheese inparticular and dairy in
general with their arthritis flaring. No dairy = no arthritis for  
them.




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CSimmune bugs

[Terry Chamberlin]

 My interest is to find an answer (very simplified)
to: Why some of bugs are immune to the CS and some of
them are NOT..

Except for a few bacteria that are not hurt by silver
(but who also don't hurt humans), I know of no
pathogens of any kind that are immune to silver.

When it seems that CS doesn't work, it's not because
of immune bugs, but because the CS is not getting to
where the bugs are (such as up plugged-up sinuses, or
deep into the colon).




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Re: CS Indigo potential

[Christine Carleton]

David,
Maybe, but other evidence such as perfect scores in Provincial exams and an
SAT of 800 on language create doubt.  Also videotaped awareness of seeing
when completely blindfolded etc.  Alan Newman of ABC did a video in the late
'80's about some of these children (5000+) that were being awakened to
extended awareness in Mexico.
Recently tests have been done in China and Russia, and in the US military
about people who have extended abilities. This does not fit in all paridyms
of consciousness, but there are substantial numbers of children that can do
more than we can, and even beyond what we can generally conceive.
Christine

 From: David Bearrow dav...@sbcglobal.net
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:59:01 -0500
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CS Indigo potential
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:57:24 -0700
 
 At 09:49 AM 4/18/04, you wrote:
 Garnet,
 
 One situation I remember clearly was when I discussed eating - not needing
 physical food but utilising the energies from the universe.  She smiled and
 said 'Yes, but that did not mean that I would loose weight'.
 I looked at her and asked ' Do you understood what I mean? How's that for
 old folk arrogance when talking to a 12 year old?
 She said,' Mom, your on the right track but you need to continue to think it
 through'.
 I asked why she did not tell me.  She said she had no permission to talk
 about it unless I got to that point.
 
 What you did was empower a 12 year old to feel superior. She was just
 playing mind games with you implying that a higher power did not authorize
 her to disclose secret information. And you bit into it hook, line, and
 sinker. 
 


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Re: CSimmune bugs

[Christine Carleton]

Terry,
Your probably onto something.  Dr. Bob Beck talked about the zapper being
good for AIDS, and then the pulser to be used later, when the parasite load
was reduced.  He said that the 'buggies' hid out in the lymph system, and to
use the pulser (with flashes of high light) under the arms to go deeper to
get those buried in the lymph. Or else the symptoms of AIDS would return in
a couple of years.  What else to do?  Probably use a rebounder? Exercise of
any sort to get the lymph system moving better.  And the pulser? Perhaps the
pulser or light with coloured plastic films to address the different
spectrums of frequency - e.g. red, orange, yellow, green, pink, blue,
violet, indigo, etc?
Christine

 From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:20:10 -0400 (EDT)
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSimmune bugs
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:20:21 -0700
 
 My interest is to find an answer (very simplified)
 to: Why some of bugs are immune to the CS and some of
 them are NOT..
 
 Except for a few bacteria that are not hurt by silver
 (but who also don't hurt humans), I know of no
 pathogens of any kind that are immune to silver.
 
 When it seems that CS doesn't work, it's not because
 of immune bugs, but because the CS is not getting to
 where the bugs are (such as up plugged-up sinuses, or
 deep into the colon).


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CSCS in the colon

[Terry Chamberlin]

 I would not put CS in an enema unless there was a
very good reason and then I would definitely take
probiotics several times a day and for two weeks after
to reestablish normal gut flora...

I have been using CS enemas for myself and my clients
for five years now, with good results. For one thing,
enemas only go up the colon about 6-12. To use CS in
a high enema (colonic), I would certainly replace the
friendly bacteria, but I have never bothered with a
simple enema. 

 Another indication that CS is not killing off
healthy gut flora is that we are not hearing of raging
Candida Dysbiosis in the long term users of CS. It
would not take very long for Candida to spread if CS
were killing off the beneficials.

CS is not killing healthy gut flora (nor the bad) for
the primary reason that the CS never gets there when
ingested orally. I am unclear if the above statement
is saying that CS *doesn't* kill healthy flora
(because it only kills 'bad' bugs), or simply noting
that, when ingested orally, the CS never gets that
far. 

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Re: CS Indigo potential

[David Bearrow]

In every generation there are varying levels of IQ distributed throughout 
the population. These things can be explained as a byproduct of high 
intelligence. Its not necessary to explain it as higher consciousness or 
mystical awareness. Occams razor states one should not make more 
assumptions than the minimum needed. A child with high IQ that likes to 
read has available the sum total of mans knowledge available via the web 
and the library as well as visual stimuli via television. I see no reason 
to assume that man is evolving.


At 10:25 AM 4/18/04, you wrote:

David,
Maybe, but other evidence such as perfect scores in Provincial exams and an
SAT of 800 on language create doubt.  Also videotaped awareness of seeing
when completely blindfolded etc.  Alan Newman of ABC did a video in the late
'80's about some of these children (5000+) that were being awakened to
extended awareness in Mexico.
Recently tests have been done in China and Russia, and in the US military
about people who have extended abilities. This does not fit in all paridyms
of consciousness, but there are substantial numbers of children that can do
more than we can, and even beyond what we can generally conceive.
Christine

 From: David Bearrow dav...@sbcglobal.net
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:59:01 -0500
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CS Indigo potential
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:57:24 -0700

 At 09:49 AM 4/18/04, you wrote:
 Garnet,

 One situation I remember clearly was when I discussed eating - not needing
 physical food but utilising the energies from the universe.  She 
smiled and

 said 'Yes, but that did not mean that I would loose weight'.
 I looked at her and asked ' Do you understood what I mean? How's that for
 old folk arrogance when talking to a 12 year old?
 She said,' Mom, your on the right track but you need to continue to 
think it

 through'.
 I asked why she did not tell me.  She said she had no permission to talk
 about it unless I got to that point.

 What you did was empower a 12 year old to feel superior. She was just
 playing mind games with you implying that a higher power did not authorize
 her to disclose secret information. And you bit into it hook, line, and
 sinker.




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Re: CSDengue Fever

[Christine Carleton]

Marie,

I have an acquaintance that was diagnosed with MS in Saudi when she was
doing a teaching stint there.  Then re-diagnosed twice at Univ. of B.C. /MS
clinic over three years as having MS.  She was on long term disability when
she started having BodyTalk.  After a year, and the symptoms dissolving, the
MS clinic indicated that they must have misdiagnosed her and suggested it
was Lyme's.  As of January, that appears to have dissolved, and she is back
at work teaching and off all disability.

Understand, in Canada one legally cannot recover from chronic conditions -
only go into remission with such things like cancer, arthritis.  There is a
medical/political agenda one must be aware of to open doors to other
possibilities.  My Goodness, what would happen if they lost the MS cash cow?
How many people and support systems would not have employment, or
medications would not be purchased, or stockholders returns would not be
flush?  

For every ailment there is a cure. When dealing with folks diagnosed as
terminally ill, I try to establish their 'dream'. First, what would he would
want to do if he stayed?  He has to have a dream.  Without that, it's hard
to pull wellness through.  However, you are experiencing an upward swing
with CS so that is a massive clue.  Keep it up, and maybe increase with a
watchful eye on output.

Terry had a clue with things being buried deeper.  Light is powerful.  MS
does not generally occur in the southern hemisphere but is prevalent in the
northern US and Canada.  Wild thoughts - maybe a SAD light for extra light
depending on where you live.  Otherwise lots of sunlight.

Another area to explore is his Vivaxis.  Often people distance from their
birthplace have greater immune breakdown, or it can happen when we travel
extensively - we loose our orientation to our cosmic energies.  I also saw
it big time with a woman who had 22 broken bones after her car was caught
between a semi-trailer truck and a tanker truck.  A doctor at the Univ. of
Moscow wrote a book about this, and I believe a woman on Vancouver Island is
following doing work with it.  I have found that when that is repaired
fractures in the immune energy bodies start to support the physical body -
it takes one year - a solar cycle to come into effect.  And MSM - lots of
it.

Christine
thebodytalkcli...@telus.net

 From: William Meyer calis...@earthlink.net
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:42:55 -0400
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSDengue Fever
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:28:04 -0700
 
 lyme and dengue are different. you can have them both.
 i had a friend who worked in the amazon for a spell, returned, and got
 sick
 almost immediately on his return to the states.
 upon learning he was in the amazon the docs put him in a special room
 for possible deadly contagion of stuff like ebola, etc..
 during the course of examination they found a tick bite. turned out
 he had been bitten immediately upon his return to the states and had
 lyme disease.
 
 
 
 On Apr 18, 2004, at 3:56 AM, Marie Hofman wrote:
 
 I wish to post this to the silver list,  this is my first post,  I
 hope I do it right!
 
 My husband was diagnosed with MS 9 years ago,  he was once an avid
 sportsperson and travelled the world thirteen times. He is now
 diminished to a bedridden person who gets hoisted from and to a bed
 and bathroom chair.  He is 48. He cannot move, is chronically
 cognitively damaged and is totally incontinent.  He contracted Dengue
 Fever while in Thailand a few years before symptons began.   He didn't
 choose to have a blood transfusion there,  but chose whatever drugs
 they gave him at the time and recovered.  I think the Dengue Fever has
 caused the MS,  even more,  I am wondering whether he has Lyme.  Does
 anybody out there know whether the Mosquito that causes Dengue Fever
 and the Tick that causes Lyme could have the same bacteria?  or even
 whether it was possible to mistake the mosquito bite for a tick bite? 
 I have him on a diet by Gerald Green a UK Herbalist,  anti-candida and
 anti-gluten,  al!  so since finding out about CS have started
 administering 20ml 3 times a day (over a week) and am going to slow
 that down each week. Thankx.
 



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CS Indigo potential

[Christine Carleton]

David,

... I see no reason to assume that man is evolving...

I understand man has evolved since the beginning of time.

Then others differ.  Like the man who headed the US patent office near the
turn of the century (1890's ish) who suggested it could be closed because
all that could be invented had been invented.

Opinions, that's all we have.

Christine
~~
 From: David Bearrow dav...@sbcglobal.net
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:44:25 -0500
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CS Indigo potential
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:44:23 -0700
 
 In every generation there are varying levels of IQ distributed throughout
 the population. These things can be explained as a byproduct of high
 intelligence. Its not necessary to explain it as higher consciousness or
 mystical awareness. Occams razor states one should not make more
 assumptions than the minimum needed. A child with high IQ that likes to
 read has available the sum total of mans knowledge available via the web
 and the library as well as visual stimuli via television. I see no reason
 to assume that man is evolving.
 

Re: CSDengue Fever

[hughman1]

Aspartame poisoning mimics MS.


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Re: CSGood and bad bugs

[Duncan Crow]

Probiotics do not necessarily reestablish gut flora on the bowel 
lining. They must be fed a suitable food to get them to proliferate. 

The suitable food is inulin; sugar-free inulin is preferred by many. 
The difference is that it grows vastly more flora than you would eat, 
and it's a lot cheaper too.

regards,

Duncan Crow

 
 I would not put CS in an enema unless there was a very good reason and
 then I would definitely take probiotics several times a day and for
 two weeks after to reestablish normal gut flora, it would also be the
 liquid very high count type with specific species for each area of the
 gut I was trying to recolonize. Different areas have different
 beneficial bacteria and yeast.



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Re: CSDengue Fever

[Christine Carleton]

Good point
See: 
http://www.dorway.com/possible.html
http://www.nationaljusticeleague.com/press/2004.04.06.php
http://www.nationaljusticeleague.com/statements/drlydon.txt
http://www.mercola.com re the new chemical sweetner - suprema or splenda or
something like that... It's even in gum, hidden in many prepared foods...
Christine



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 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:04:11 -0700
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 Subject: Re: CSDengue Fever
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:01:26 -0700
 
 Aspartame poisoning mimics MS.


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Re: CS Indigo potential

[Garnet]

If you see no reason to assume that man is evolving then can you support
this position by stating by what assumptions you conclude that man is in
a state of devolution or stasis? One of the three must be occuring and
since time is nothing more than the state of constant physical change,
we can safely assume it is not the process of stasis.

Garnet

On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 10:44, David Bearrow wrote:
 In every generation there are varying levels of IQ distributed throughout 
 the population. These things can be explained as a byproduct of high 
 intelligence. Its not necessary to explain it as higher consciousness or 
 mystical awareness. Occams razor states one should not make more 
 assumptions than the minimum needed. A child with high IQ that likes to 
 read has available the sum total of mans knowledge available via the web 
 and the library as well as visual stimuli via television. I see no reason 
 to assume that man is evolving.



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Re: CSCS in the colon

[Garnet]

On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 10:34, Terry Chamberlin wrote:
  I would not put CS in an enema unless there was a
 very good reason and then I would definitely take
 probiotics several times a day and for two weeks after
 to reestablish normal gut flora...
 
 I have been using CS enemas for myself and my clients
 for five years now, with good results. For one thing,
 enemas only go up the colon about 6-12. To use CS in
 a high enema (colonic), I would certainly replace the
 friendly bacteria, but I have never bothered with a
 simple enema. 

It is possible to do a high colonic with an enema, it 
does take some practice and a larger enema bag. They do
make much larger bags specifically for home use in this 
manner. You breathe through the contractions much like
in child birth and train your body to allow the large
volumes of solution to be retained.

Even though a routine enema only delivers CS such a short
distance I would reccommend probiotics, simply because it 
is delivered close to that region and I do not want to ever
have Candida dysbiosis again. A small precaution to take
and perhaps unnecessary. But it is comforting.

 
  Another indication that CS is not killing off
 healthy gut flora is that we are not hearing of raging
 Candida Dysbiosis in the long term users of CS. It
 would not take very long for Candida to spread if CS
 were killing off the beneficials.
 
 CS is not killing healthy gut flora (nor the bad) for
 the primary reason that the CS never gets there when
 ingested orally. I am unclear if the above statement
 is saying that CS *doesn't* kill healthy flora
 (because it only kills 'bad' bugs), or simply noting
 that, when ingested orally, the CS never gets that
 far. 

Doesn't kill because it does not reach the organisms. I see 
no reason to speculate that the beneficial organisms are immune.
Although we don't know because no one has done the test, again, if
it were killing them we would be hearing many of many side effects
of CS use, and we just are not.

Garnet

 
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Re: CS Indigo People

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, all:

I always love when such a topic comes up; it reminds me of pre-Nazi Germany.

Fear not.  What is not real, never was and never shall be.  What is real,
always was, and cannot be destroyed.

- Bhagavad Gita

---

from a commentary On the Course of Miracles:
It is not hard to see how we try to belittle our brother when we attack him.
It is much more difficult to see how we are doing the same thing when we
elevate a person to idol status thereby reducing the importance of all our
other brothers . Idols come in many forms: they could also be material
objects, sickness or other sought after experiences 'good' or 'bad'. When we
believe in idols we are teaching fear not love...

... It is to these idols we worship and seek to find our salvation...

There never was a time an idol brought
You anything except the gift of guilt.
Not one was bought except at cost of pain,
Nor was it ever paid by you alone.
  - Course in Miracles

--

Therefore,
when the great Way was forsaken,
there was humaness and righteousness
When cunning and wit appeared,
there was great falsity;
When the six family relationships lacked harmony
there were filial piety and parental kindness
When the state and royal house were in disarry
there were upright ministers.
...
Who is puffed up cannot stand,
Who is self-absorbed has no distinction
Who is self-revealing does not shine
Who is self-assertive has no merit,
Who is self-praising does not last long

As for the Way, we may say these are
excess provisions and extra baggage.
Creation abhors such extravagances.

Therefore,
One who aspires to the Way,
does not abide in them.

- Chinese Tao Te Ching



I could go on representing the world's spiritual knowlegebase concerning
such subjects, as this point is not about any particular religious or
atheistic, naturalistic, or scientific idealogy.  Suffice it to say that the
ignorant often discover something that has been self-evident for thousands
of years, form a new attribution to it, and work heartily to profit off of
it.

Luckily, cyclic as nature is, it is eventually, self-corrective.

As a recovering indigo child ( much like a recovering alcoholic ), when in
the world, when meeting those of more... new age disposition who still
occassionally ask or comment about the matter, my favorite response is:

Have you ever heard of  the Faustian interpretation of Mephistophiles?

- Jason



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Re: CS Indigo potential

[David Bearrow]

I have already done so. Man is man. There is no evolution nor devolution. 
He is what he began as. We have acquired more knowledge and more efficient 
ways to store and sort it. But these are mechanical things we have created. 
The human organism remains the same.


The new age concept that some have higher consciousness than others smacks 
of RACISM to me. One can feel more superior to another by thinking they are 
more highly evolved. As Jason pointed out the Nazis held that to be true 
and used it to justify genocide.


This is completely off topic and so I will not respond to this thread any 
further through the list but please feel free to send an email directly to 
me if you wish to continue the discussion.


David Bearrow
dav...@sbcglobal.net

At 12:42 PM 4/18/04, you wrote:

If you see no reason to assume that man is evolving then can you support
this position by stating by what assumptions you conclude that man is in
a state of devolution or stasis? One of the three must be occuring and
since time is nothing more than the state of constant physical change,
we can safely assume it is not the process of stasis.

Garnet

On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 10:44, David Bearrow wrote:
 In every generation there are varying levels of IQ distributed throughout
 the population. These things can be explained as a byproduct of high
 intelligence. Its not necessary to explain it as higher consciousness or
 mystical awareness. Occams razor states one should not make more
 assumptions than the minimum needed. A child with high IQ that likes to
 read has available the sum total of mans knowledge available via the web
 and the library as well as visual stimuli via television. I see no reason
 to assume that man is evolving.



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Re: CSGood and bad bugs

[Duncan Crow]

FOS is problematic for some people due to the fact that many 
pathogenic organisms can use it, and commercial FOS also contains a 
high percentage of sugar.

On the other hand, inulin contains only 2 or 3% FOS and less sugar; 
it can not feed many pathogenic organisms, and what it does feed is 
much more limited in numbers as well as types.

Sugar and FOS free inulin is again a much more specific prebiotic 
yet; it appeals to a very narrow range of organisms.

When you look at the actual amounts of inulin or FOS in natural 
foods, you see that optimal amounts are possible only if those foods 
are staple foods. You're looking for 12 to 15 grams daily; several 
servings are required of high inulin-containing foods to approach 
that.

regards,

Duncan Crow

 When I was recovering from Candida and taking the liquid probiotics I
 also took Fructooligosaccharides, to feed the beneficial organisms.
 FOS is in any water soluble fiber so a good diet provides them. But in
 intense situations it is best to feed the good bugs.
 
 Garnet
 
 On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 11:15, Duncan Crow wrote:
  Probiotics do not necessarily reestablish gut flora on the bowel
  lining. They must be fed a suitable food to get them to proliferate.
  
  
  The suitable food is inulin; sugar-free inulin is preferred by many.
  The difference is that it grows vastly more flora than you would
  eat, and it's a lot cheaper too.
  
  regards,
  
  Duncan Crow
  
   
   I would not put CS in an enema unless there was a very good reason
   and then I would definitely take probiotics several times a day
   and for two weeks after to reestablish normal gut flora, it would
   also be the liquid very high count type with specific species for
   each area of the gut I was trying to recolonize. Different areas
   have different beneficial bacteria and yeast.
  
  
  
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CSimmune bugs Part I

[Jason Eaton]

Please remember that Bob Beck never really invented anything.  Like Hulda
Clark, he did cursory research and took bits and pieces from many different
researchers, and while Beck was very vocal, he wasn't exactly very thorough
in his research.

A primary problem with HIV as a pathogen may not be with the lymphatic
system per se; but with fat cells.

http://www.aegis.com/news/re/2002/RE020911.html

The lymphatic system can be rapidly effected and cleansed using a wide
variety of effective methods, but the fat cells and fatty tissues are an
entirely different story.  I don't personally believe that fat cell
infection is limited to those using anti-HIV drugs.

http://www.health-truth.com/articles/hiv03.asp

Pulsing light and other frequencies into the body may prove to have some
benefit; however, dismal failure has been reported by many people
independently attempting to treat lethal illness with a variety of
machinations such as Rife machines.  Rife himself killed alot of animals via
his experimentation, because he did not have a solid theory to base to his
observations on, and therefore utilized trial and error quite a bit.  These
base idea are great ones, but the methods of control of are stone-age.

The same can be said with the various types zappers, which, while many
people have documented an effectiveness, cannot be effective for the
theoretical reasons outlined, or else effectiveness against a single given
condition would be uniform.  I tested a zapper on a confirmed parasite
infection ( documented exposure to infected waters and matching symptoms ),
and it had only a cursory effect.  H2O2, bentonite, and a zapper protocol
had to be utilized to eliminate the infection.

Colloidal silver, when a good quality is used regularly ( 2-3 times daily to
keep the silver titrated ), we believe will eliminate the symptoms of AIDS,
provided that drug use has not overly contributed to the destruction of the
body.

I've followed a handful of cases of successful use of CS to treat AIDS,
including one case resulting in seven years of remission via oral use of CS
made with the basic 9 volt battery generator.

Unfortunately, this particular user stopped using colloidal silver to make a
point to his primary MD, and rapid and irreversible decay of health occured
within 30 days.

Concerning taking electricity in any form, and applying it to the body,
below is a copy of an article:

Rife History by Ilonka Harezi

The history of the Rife Frequency Generator begins in the 1930's; however,
the research originates in 1880, and the very first patents were issued in
1890 to Fisher. Rife happened to land an over-ealous journalist named Barry
Lyons who made him into a folk hero with the book The Cancer Cure That
Worked - In these early years there were many hero experimenters like Tesla,
Lakhovsky, Voll, Nagier, etc., who all contributed to the technology.

However, because of the Rife controversy, concentration will be on his
legacies and early instrumentation.

Rife developed five powerful optical microscopes, the most powerful of which
is known as the Universal Microscope. It was developed in 1933, consists of
5,682 parts, and is so called 'powerful' because of its ability to view
accurately microorganisms in their natural habitat Rife, while observing
bacteria, virus, and fungi utilizing his microscope, was able to observe
their demise by applying energy derived from the frequency of a square wave
generator. We know for a fact this was true because of some fuzzy archive
film. The mystery was that no one else could get it to work but Rife.

Rife's associate, John Crane, sold the microscope to Barry Lyons and was to
be part of the company Lyons was putting together. Curiously, he didn't give
them a few parts that were required until he felt comfortable with the deal.

As it ended up, there were hard feelings and Crane didn't give the much
needed parts to Lyons. However, even with all the parts, no one was ever
able to make Rife's Microscope work. There is a complete Universal
Microscope in England, and no one can make it work!! It sometimes took 48
hours to align the microscope. Did Rife drop into a radionic, altered state
of consciousness to align it? Maybe so.

There are two microscopes that work with similar magnification. One is from
Germany, the Ergonam, the other from Canada, invented by Gaston Nissan.
There is controversy over both of them. Lining up the nonlinear optics that
are necessary can only be done through laser or some type of subtle energy
optical scalars.

Audio frequency generators of the 1930 era were large, bulky, and subject to
frequent instability. The electronic instrumentation was crude. Determining
the precise frequency with accuracy was difficult and required quartz
crystal control. It is no wonder that Rife did not publish the frequencies
that caused the demise of virus that he observed. It would have been
difficult for a person other than an expert radio technician or engineer to
determine and 

CS

[Jason Eaton]

( Illonka article quote continued... )

Who's Who

Rife used an instrument built from a SQID Heath Kit It had vacuum tube
electronics which were not accurate. Therefore, whatever the frequencies
were, they had little, if anything, to do with the healing. Through later
research, it has been found that the harmonics of the frequency band is what
made it work. Rife merely substantiated what Lakhovsky knew in 1925. By his
original material ' Rife didn't know the difference between a frequency and
a pulse repetition rate. It was by chance that the vacuum tube oscillation
made his generator successful. He was not aware of matching the body's
impedance and its importance. In order to get energy into the body, it is
necessary to break through the electric field some call the eddy current,
otherwise the energy never enters the body.

In 1977, a researcher from San Diego, Ca. met an associate of Rife to whom
Rife had given a Frequency Generator for his personal use. The researcher
had a relative with breast cancer. She contacted Rife's friend who loaned
the generator to her. After complete success, she asked Ed Skilling, a
pioneer in the field of electromagnetic engineering to duplicate the old
generator.

Ed, using an oscilloscope, converted the numbers on the dial settings to
actual audio frequencies. We must assume that the numbers on the dial
settings were correct, as its use has been successful. However, a problem
developed from the frequencies. Dr. Glen Rein, from Stanford Medical
University, tested the five frequencies invitro and found the two higher
frequencies made some tumors grow faster. Ed went back to the original
machine and found that Rife's friend had taken the liberty of putting two
additional frequencies on the machine.

Bob Beck and Ed Skilling created schematics for the copy generator and gave
them to researchers thinking the technology given to many would not be
suppressed.

Now the plot thickens as several people from California took the schematics
with the five frequencies and started manufacturing in their garage. When Ed
and Bob warned them of the two higher frequencies being deleterious, they
said the 'spirits told them they were okay to use. They ignored all warning
and continued to manufacture and sell. Thus, the QLF was bom. The only
difference between the killing/Beck schematics and the QLF was a crystal
control. Because the frequencies are measured in the hundredths, there could
be a drift of minus 5 or 10 hertz, not creating any noticeable difference
with the frequencies. But a mistake was made in not using a symmetrical
output. It is imperative to have a symmetrical square wave signal that
cancels out to zero, creating a scalar field. The positive has to go to a
certain amplitude and the negative to the same amplitude, with a zero point
being the crossover point If not done correctly, it won't be a symmetrical
wave form and it will not work.

RIFE TECHNOLOGY

In the Fall of 1987, Los Angeles, CA, a group of medical people and
scientists met to discuss the use of electronics to treat AIDS. A few
doctors, headed by Robert Strecker, M.D., believed the Rife Frequency
Generator might be helpful in the AIDS treatment . At that meeting, Ed
Skilling volunteered to create a third generation device with improvements
and solid state dependability to simple setting the three frequencies.

This was based on the second generation unit which had a vernier dial and
digital frequency counter to set precise frequencies as utilized in the
original specifications. Before the third generation was released, Barry
Lyons wrote his book on Rife, The Cancer Cure That Worked, The reason he
wrote the book was to sell a limited partnership, which was not a registered
security, to potential investors. His business plan was to replicate Rife's
work and lease the machines to doctors at $1000 per month. He tried to raise
several million dollars. When Skilling's schematics came out free, and he
built a few generators for researchers at less than $1000, Lyons scheme came
to an abrupt halt. To say the least, Skilling and Beck became Lyons' enemy,
and these hard feelings continue to this day.

The third generation device had three stable solid state integrated circuit
oscillators in which the frequency changes were controlled by a five
position rotary switch. Skilling used the C, D, and E position as the same
frequency. If another frequency was found in the future, it could be added.
The critical electron tube output stage was the same as in the researchers
second generation Rife unit. As previously stated, it was discovered years
ago that the output impedance of the electron tube provides an excellent
match to the human body and allows maximum transfer of energy. A solid state
output amplifier would not work the same, at least in that configuration.
The third research Frequency Generator used the same type circuit as the
second generation device, except for the tube number; however, this
instrument did not prove as 

Re: CSMarshalee's Arthritis

[Charles Sutton]

How do you know when the body has all the Concentrace that it can use??
My arthritis is controlled completely with just MSM, about 10 grams daily.
If I stop for even a day it starts to come back..

- Original Message - 
From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:26 PM
Subject: CSMarshalee's Arthritis


 Marshalee said,
  I have also read that arthritis is the end stage of
 allergic reaction, that the proteins from allergic
 responses end up in the joints, and that is what
 eventually tears them up! That`s where I am right
 now...

 A very successful program for combatting arthritis is:

 Concentrace, start off small, work up to all your body
 can use.

 MSM, up to 8,000 mg/day (work up to it, keeping an eye
 on your body's reactions to it - some folks can't take
 that much)

 Glucosamine hydrochoride - half as much as the MSM

 Determine what your body's pH is, using accurate pH
 paper; then take the specific type of calcium your
 body needs, as indicated by the pH testing. Email me
 directly and I will send you instructions on how to do
 this particulare pH testing.

 Unless you have an aversion to it, use EFT daily. See:
 www.emofree.com to download the free instructions for
 using this very powerful adjunct to nutritional
 therapy.

 Terry Chamberlin


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Re: CSCS and horses

[Charles Sutton]

MSM is a powerful anti-inflammatory, could you use that at the same time??

- Original Message - 
From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: CSCS and horses


 Banamine and Dexamethasone act on different tissues. Some use Azium and
 Banamine in for WNV. The point is to get the inflammation down in all
 tissues.
 
)trim(


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Re: CSDengue Fever

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: Marie Hofman marie_hof...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:56 AM
Subject: CSDengue Fever


 I wish to post this to the silver list,  this is my first post,  I hope I do
it right!

 My husband was diagnosed with MS 9 years ago,  he was once an avid
sportsperson and travelled the world thirteen times. He is now diminished to a
bedridden person who gets hoisted from and to a bed and bathroom chair.  He is
48. He cannot move, is chronically cognitively damaged and is totally
incontinent.  He contracted Dengue Fever while in Thailand a few years before
symptons began.   He didn't choose to have a blood transfusion there,  but chose
whatever drugs they gave him at the time and recovered.  I think the Dengue
Fever has caused the MS,  even more,  I am wondering whether he has Lyme.  Does
anybody out there know whether the Mosquito that causes Dengue Fever and the
Tick that causes Lyme could have the same bacteria?  or even whether it was
possible to mistake the mosquito bite for a tick bite?  I have him on a diet by
Gerald Green a UK Herbalist,  anti-candida and anti-gluten,  al! so since
finding out about CS have started administering 20ml 3 times a day (over a week)
and am going to slow that down each week. Thankx.

 Marie.


Marie,
The only thing I want to add to the many excellent posts is to emphasize how
much Rife frequency technology can help.

If you do a search on Rife on Google, you'll get many entries. Also see my
website. I have a friend who cured herself of MS with frequencies that she
figured out.

Regards,
Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD
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Re: CSDengue Fever

[Charles Sutton]

Interesting.  I have had Aspartame poisoning as well as my cousin.  Defined
by seeing bright flashes of pure white light out of the side of the eye.  My
cousin also has creeping rash from the feet and traveling up to the thighs.
Since stopping all artificial sweetener except Setvia, the lights have
stopped and her rash is subsiding after only about 3 days..
Where can I find more info on the MS mimic??
- Original Message - 
From: hughman1 hughm...@email.msn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: CSDengue Fever


 Aspartame poisoning mimics MS.


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Re: CSDengue Fever

[Christine Carleton]

Charles,

Check 
http://www.aspartame.ca/mainindex.html
also
http://www.mercola.com

Christine

 From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:10:56 -0400
 To: hughman1 hughm...@email.msn.com, silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSDengue Fever
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:06:43 -0700
 
 Interesting.  I have had Aspartame poisoning as well as my cousin.  Defined
 by seeing bright flashes of pure white light out of the side of the eye.  My
 cousin also has creeping rash from the feet and traveling up to the thighs.
 Since stopping all artificial sweetener except Setvia, the lights have
 stopped and her rash is subsiding after only about 3 days..
 Where can I find more info on the MS mimic??


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CSAspartame

[oldgl...@bigcountry.net]

Hi,

My sister drinks Nutra Sweet colas by the dozen a day.  She is having major
problems with her eyesight and I wonder if anyone might have an idea of what
might be wrong, or if something other than Aspartame?

When she walks into a darkened room, she goes blind.

There are times she sees double and only by closing one eye, can she see
properly.

Would any of these things be associated with Aspertame?  Or something else?

Thank you,

Jean Baugh



 Charles,
 
 Check 
 http://www.aspartame.ca/mainindex.html
 also
 http://www.mercola.com
 
 Christine
 
 From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net
 
 Interesting.  I have had Aspartame poisoning as well as my cousin.  Defined
 by seeing bright flashes of pure white light out of the side of the eye.  My
 cousin also has creeping rash from the feet and traveling up to the thighs.
 Since stopping all artificial sweetener except Setvia, the lights have
 stopped and her rash is subsiding after only about 3 days..
 Where can I find more info on the MS mimic??



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Re: CSAspartame

[Nina Whit]

ASpartame has traces of methyl alcohol in it and it has been documented
that it can cause brain and retina damage.  Aiirline pilots are fobidden
to use it.


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Re: CSCS and horses

[Garnet]

You would need very high doses and probably IV administration but yes
you could use MSM. And DMSO, IV or orally.

No one has experimented with these yet on WNV that I have heard of. I
certainly would use them. Since it is an encephalitis brain swelling is
a big problem. DMSO is very good for normalizing head trauma in stroke
and closed head injury.

Garnet

On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 15:53, Charles Sutton wrote:
 MSM is a powerful anti-inflammatory, could you use that at the same time??
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:56 AM
 Subject: Re: CSCS and horses
 
 
  Banamine and Dexamethasone act on different tissues. Some use Azium and
  Banamine in for WNV. The point is to get the inflammation down in all
  tissues.
  
 )trim(
 
 
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RE: CS[List Owner] Indigo, huh?

[James Holmes]

I am offended by your position on this subject.

JOH

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:11 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS[List Owner] Indigo, huh?


Hi folks,

I enjoy varied discussions, too, but I'm afraid I need to rein this one 
in a bit!

The problem with material that has overtones of mysticism or 
spirituality is that you can't talk about much of anything in this area 
without stepping on somebody else's beliefs. This is especially true 
when you've got some 500 people listening!

The list rules on Prohibited subjects says it concisely:

 Avoid discussing religion, mysticism, or spirituality. There is no 
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 I am not asking you to de-God everything you say, do or think, 
 however. Brief greetings, thanks, and prayer requests or offerings are 
 acceptable. The occasional God bless, or you're in our prayers 
 will not be seen as a transgression. Modest tag lines or signature 
 files may also be used.

Similarly, I don't expect folks with new-age or other orientations to 
completely sanitize everything they say, but just to keep it to the 
edges of the content.

Tolerance and Consideration people!!! Those are the keys.

So, let's move or end these threads, please. Also, please be patient 
while folks catch up with their reading and respond to the topic before 
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I'd be happy to see the discussion continue on the Silver Off Topic 
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Re: CSAspartame

[Tel Tofflemire]

This is from Dr. Clark's Webpage this week.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

Aspartame is one of the most controversial food additives on the market. 
Whole websites are popping up concerning themselves with the dangers of 
Aspartame, for example www.aspartamekills.com http://aspartamekills.com/.


Dr. Clark has pointed out thst Aspartame contains wood alcohol, which 
according to her implicates diabetes. This website confirms the presence 
of methanol (wood alcohol) in Aspartame: http://www.healingdai 
ly.com/detoxification-diet/aspartame.htm 
http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/aspartame.htm, also 
this one: http://www.unhinderedliving.com/aspa rtame.html 
http://www.unhinderedliving.com/aspartame.html and many more. One 
website shows that if you drink one liter (a little more than a quart) 
of aspartame sweetened pop, you have consumed 8 times the daily limit of 
methanol deemed safe by the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency).


Now, several companies are getting sued for withholding alarming health 
information about Aspartame. Read more about it here 
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/04/09/aspartame_neurotoxic_coca_cola_pepsi%0D%0A%0D%0A_nutra_sweet_sued_in_california.htm. 





oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote:


Hi,

My sister drinks Nutra Sweet colas by the dozen a day.  She is having major
problems with her eyesight and I wonder if anyone might have an idea of what
might be wrong, or if something other than Aspartame?

When she walks into a darkened room, she goes blind.

There are times she sees double and only by closing one eye, can she see
properly.

Would any of these things be associated with Aspertame?  Or something else?

Thank you,

Jean Baugh



 


Charles,

Check 
http://www.aspartame.ca/mainindex.html

also
http://www.mercola.com

Christine

   


From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net

Interesting.  I have had Aspartame poisoning as well as my cousin.  Defined
by seeing bright flashes of pure white light out of the side of the eye.  My
cousin also has creeping rash from the feet and traveling up to the thighs.
Since stopping all artificial sweetener except Setvia, the lights have
stopped and her rash is subsiding after only about 3 days..
Where can I find more info on the MS mimic??
 




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CSsilver bandages

[David S Osborne]

anyone notice the CURAD ads for silver in the pad
bandages.

davido


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RE: CS[List Owner] Indigo, huh?

[Vince Richter]

I'm offended by your offence.

Vince

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 5:10 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS[List Owner] Indigo, huh?

I am offended by your position on this subject.

JOH

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:11 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS[List Owner] Indigo, huh?


Hi folks,

I enjoy varied discussions, too, but I'm afraid I need to rein this one 
in a bit!

The problem with material that has overtones of mysticism or 
spirituality is that you can't talk about much of anything in this area 
without stepping on somebody else's beliefs. This is especially true 
when you've got some 500 people listening!

The list rules on Prohibited subjects says it concisely:

 Avoid discussing religion, mysticism, or spirituality. There is no 
 comment you can make that will not risk offending someone. Overt 
 evangelization is not permitted. Do not reply to religious remarks 
 made by others.
 
 I am not asking you to de-God everything you say, do or think, 
 however. Brief greetings, thanks, and prayer requests or offerings are

 acceptable. The occasional God bless, or you're in our prayers 
 will not be seen as a transgression. Modest tag lines or signature 
 files may also be used.

Similarly, I don't expect folks with new-age or other orientations to 
completely sanitize everything they say, but just to keep it to the 
edges of the content.

Tolerance and Consideration people!!! Those are the keys.

So, let's move or end these threads, please. Also, please be patient 
while folks catch up with their reading and respond to the topic before 
they see this message.

I'd be happy to see the discussion continue on the Silver Off Topic 
List. The posting address is in the footer below, as is the address of 
the web archive. I'll referee!! grin

Be well,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CSsilver mirroring within a ceramic water filter

[Reid Harvey]

Friends,
I sent this message several days ago but am imagining it may not have 
been delivered...


I've recently come across some info on a way of treating a ceramic water filter 
with silver nitrate, then reducing to silver metal, similar to what's done with 
mirroring.  But I'm hoping some of our worthy members here may be able to fill 
me in the information I lack on reagents,
amounts and procedures.  Please.

I recently came across a 1972, Indian purblication with partial explanation of 
the use of 'an ammoniacal solution of silver nitrate reduced with 
acetaldehyde,' then kiln firing in reduced oxygen, to achieve a silver ceramic 
bond.  We are quite familiar with this last step in kiln firing, and now we 
have the acetaldehyde in hand.  But how to combine these materials and process 
is what we are not sure of.  Can anybody give some ideas for a starting point 
in our adopting this methodology?
Thanks,
Reid
http://www.purifier.com.np

Re: CSAspartame

[hughman1]

www.dorway.com ??


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