Re: CSDo you mean trauma ?
G'day Wayne, OK, I'm up for it, is that the bell I can hear sounding for round 2? If I'm not mistaken it appears you may have accepted that the point I was making was valid, even though I am unable to put forward a 15 page, in depth essay to back it up, (keep in mind though that they are not, quote, my ideas but is something I learnt some time ago). I suspect you may have known where I was coming from all the time, or it could be that you had simply never heard of it before. For those who may reside in England this came from a chap by the name of, I think, a Dr or Professor Winston or Winton, not quite sure of his name now. Well there you go, we learn something every day don't we. g No matter. Being an instinctive animal I will just go with my first thoughtthat you are humouring me, but that's OK. bigger g If I thought I could find the article again I would point you to it, I just filed it away in my memory banks as I thought it was a piece of information worthy of retaining. Have a good day, N. - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: Re: CSDo you mean Trauma ? Evening Neville, At 08:30 PM 10/16/2008, you wrote: I think perhaps it best if I just go quietly..while I am still losing. g Who said you were loosing ? That was just Round 1. Your comment was very funny. It made my day, and I had a hard one. After reading all your ideas, I agree, The Immune System needs a switch so we can turn it off and on. I am working on that. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSGiardia
Does CS kill Giardia? A friend is having a hard time getting rid of it with conventional meds. Silvia -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSacne, EFT, not working / believing
Hi Lin, I have actually gone to an EFT seminar and have all the manuals etc., I tried it for quite a few things and it seemed to work. But after a while, my logical mind took over and I thought 'this can't really work' and lo and behold - it didn't! This is why I still think it is all to do with the subconscious mind doing the curing. I have read Deepak Chopra, and he says it only takes a 'notion' by the subconscious for it to work, and its all to do with quantum physics. Some people are very open to their subconscious being 'persuaded' (like my husband) and these people make the best subjects for hypnotists too. I am a natural sceptic and do like things to be 'proved' as much as possible, and no-one has ever been able to hypnotize me. However, bearing in mind the relationship between EFT and the subconscious mind, I know that it *does* work, *if* you believe it will, even if it is a tentative belief for some people. If it does work, then it really doesn't matter *why* it works, does it? dee jlgregel wrote: Dee...sometimes it takes doing a little digging around to find different aspects that might be the trigger to releasing. For me, I've found that I almost always get good results when I'm tapping on something that has just happened or is fairly recent When I cut my thumb very deeply with a kitchen knife, I started doing the tapping mentally in my head (my other hand was tightly squeezing a rag around my bleeding hand). It took a few minutes and I didn't think I was getting anywhere while tapping on this deep cut..this pain..this bleeding, but when I switched to I was so clumsy with the knife..I wasn't paying attention...whoosh that did it. The bleeding stopped on the spot, there was no pain. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConscious vs the Unconscious
I think it is the sub-conscious mind Wayne, as I think the un-conscious mind is something else again. dee Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Marshall, Interesting indeed. That got my attention. Seems I have heard or read, There is a constant battle between the conscious and the unconscious. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConscious vs the Unconscious
This is exactly what I believe happens Rowena. As I said, the mind is the most powerful tool in the world. dee Rowena wrote: What I have been led to believe in my various readings is that the subconscious is always listening in and believing stuff, so that if you incautiously say something like I always get things wrong it will very kindly oblige and implement your 'instructions'. I suppose this is how subliminal advertising works. Conscious mind doesn't see it, subconscious does, recognises the brand, obeys the instructions. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSConscious vs the Unconscious
Yes, advertisers are another type of parasite trying to feed on you. Dan From: Rowena [mailto:new...@aapt.net.au] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:35 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConscious vs the Unconscious What I have been led to believe in my various readings is that the subconscious is always listening in and believing stuff, so that if you incautiously say something like I always get things wrong it will very kindly oblige and implement your 'instructions'. I suppose this is how subliminal advertising works. Conscious mind doesn't see it, subconscious does, recognises the brand, obeys the instructions. Bit of a stink on Aussie TV lately because one of the commercial channels has twisted what it was told in a telling-off letter from the authorities and instead of showing stuff for, say, one frame, keeps it there for 12 and claims it is not contravening any guidelines that way. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/guide/wa/200810/20081014.htm has the MediaWatch information as an illustrated transcript, and there is also a link to watch the clip. ACMA's report described content being on screen for three or more frames as being 'either at or above the threshold of normal awareness'. The Nintendo DS shots on 5th Grader are clearly visible, they appear on screen for twelve frames and are also accompanied by a sound effect to increase their impact. - Email from Jeannette McLoughlin (Head of Corporate Communications, Channel Ten) to Media Watch, 10th October, 2008 So expect to see a lot more messages from sponsors flashed up on your screen from now on - and remember they can be as short as this: If you couldn't read it, download it from our website, and slow it down. R That is Unless The unconscious has been snooping and learning from my conscious. Not sure what I could do about that. Remain neutral and let them fight it out, I suppose. What if the conscious and the unconscious believe the same thing? Hmm - yeah - will two negatives make a positive and melt down? Or two positives make a negative and cure all your problems? :)
Re: CSConscious vs the Unconscious
Morning Dee, At 07:06 AM 10/17/2008, you wrote: I think it is the sub-conscious mind Wayne, as I think the un-conscious mind is something else again. dee OK maybe I was asleep or un-conscious. Maybe both. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblue moons revisited
We seem to be on different pages here. When you speak in absolutes, I tend to take it literally. Now I understand, you speak in absolutes but are taking a lot on faith. That's fine for you, but IMO it is irresponsible to broadcast EIS unchanges after five years armed with only an EC meter and a laser pointer, for the simple reason that those devices are not enough to *prove* your claims (in scientific terms). I'm sorry if I've upset you, Ode. That was not my intention. But I do not feel the onus you seem to assign to me, as I am not the one making extravagant claims based on rudimentary observation; I'm just trying to provide some perspective. Peace, indi On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 08:07:41AM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: At 01:04 PM 10/13/2008 -0400, you wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:08:32PM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: If the container is non reactive That would have to include the lid of course. :) ## Unless you slosh the contents around, there is no direct contact with the lid. there is little air space and all you have is water, water byproducts and silver..which ISN'T photo reactive, then it has nothing to change into. Yes, but litlle air space isn't zero air space, and your container is bound to contain *something* besides pure H2O and silver ions. ## If they don't react in a few days, they probably won't, ever. Contaminants DO cause problems and sometimes glass itself can leach out them over time if contaminants have impregnated the glass. But that's not the topic in discussion. The topic is change of the EIS itself, in LONG term storage..not.. changing. Generally if it does change, it will do so within a few days and if it doesn't [and most doesn't] there are no extraneous problems that are relevant to the EIS itself. You do get some silver hydroxide formation after a few days, but once the EIS has stabilized, it stays the same, light or dark. If it is perfectly sealed, perhaps. Otherwise no. ## You have years of observation to back that up? Due to equalized inner and out gas pressures, any tight seal is essentially perfect. If the EIS was made past the saturation points, it may continue to stabilize for a month or so and make compounds out of dissolved water byproduct gasses, none of which are photo reactive. In that case, you'll see a visual change...generally gone yellow. Actually, *any* visual change implies chemical reaction, usually induced or facilitated by light or heat. ## Heat and light will makes EIS cross some reaction thresholds for sure, but only if the water is contaminated with something to react with. Contaminated EIS is not the topic of discussion. The EIS itself is not light sensitive. If it gets too COLD, it can lower its saturation point and particulates crystalize out, but boiling stabilized EIS has not caused it to change in my experience. Too much heat while *making it* HAS made a difference in my experience, but that's BEFORE stabilization where excess Brownian motion makes for a high reaction rate before ions are protected by bonds with the water. The only way that light plays a role is with the addition of electrons making ions into metallic silver and the only way those electrons can be added is via surface contact with metallic semi conductive glass components serving as a rather poor solar panel and the silica as a capacitor. Electrons can't exist in a free state in water. I have not seen this happen to the extent of significantly changing an EC reading even after the batch has sat on a South facing window sill for years and years. Yes, some batches do change, but those are *contaminated* batches... a distraction to this context of *not* contaminated EIS changing in the sunlight. You cannot make a vacuum in a container full of water...vapor will fill it to saturation. Practically all commercially distributed carbonated beverages ship in gas-tight packaging... :) ## Gas tight and a vacuum are two completely different animals.. and gas tight has a LOT to do with pressure differentials and what is in the container. Making a gas tight *compressed* Hydrogen container is virtually impossible, but at atmospheric pressure, not very hard. At highish pressures, you can even force oil through iron and bronze for oil impregnated bushings. If the internal pressure is the same as the external, there's no reason for any gases to exchange though a seal. That is incorrect, fluctuation in barometric pressure does cause gas to pass through, otherwise airtight packaging would rarely be necessary. ## Most lids used are air tight by YOUR definition because they were made for food. Barometric pressure changes change faster than contents can leach through a container wall, so sure, there will be an impregnation flux going on, but that takes more time than a pressure change takes to change the other way.
RE: CSblue moons revisited
Once stabilized, EIS is substantially unchanged in any meaningful way after 5 years. Submit PROOF to the contrary. Dan -Original Message- From: Indi [mailto:indule...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited We seem to be on different pages here. When you speak in absolutes, I tend to take it literally. Now I understand, you speak in absolutes but are taking a lot on faith. That's fine for you, but IMO it is irresponsible to broadcast EIS unchanges after five years armed with only an EC meter and a laser pointer, for the simple reason that those devices are not enough to *prove* your claims (in scientific terms). I'm sorry if I've upset you, Ode. That was not my intention. But I do not feel the onus you seem to assign to me, as I am not the one making extravagant claims based on rudimentary observation; I'm just trying to provide some perspective. Peace, indi On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 08:07:41AM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: At 01:04 PM 10/13/2008 -0400, you wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:08:32PM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: If the container is non reactive That would have to include the lid of course. :) ## Unless you slosh the contents around, there is no direct contact with the lid. there is little air space and all you have is water, water byproducts and silver..which ISN'T photo reactive, then it has nothing to change into. Yes, but litlle air space isn't zero air space, and your container is bound to contain *something* besides pure H2O and silver ions. ## If they don't react in a few days, they probably won't, ever. Contaminants DO cause problems and sometimes glass itself can leach out them over time if contaminants have impregnated the glass. But that's not the topic in discussion. The topic is change of the EIS itself, in LONG term storage..not.. changing. Generally if it does change, it will do so within a few days and if it doesn't [and most doesn't] there are no extraneous problems that are relevant to the EIS itself. You do get some silver hydroxide formation after a few days, but once the EIS has stabilized, it stays the same, light or dark. If it is perfectly sealed, perhaps. Otherwise no. ## You have years of observation to back that up? Due to equalized inner and out gas pressures, any tight seal is essentially perfect. If the EIS was made past the saturation points, it may continue to stabilize for a month or so and make compounds out of dissolved water byproduct gasses, none of which are photo reactive. In that case, you'll see a visual change...generally gone yellow. Actually, *any* visual change implies chemical reaction, usually induced or facilitated by light or heat. ## Heat and light will makes EIS cross some reaction thresholds for sure, but only if the water is contaminated with something to react with. Contaminated EIS is not the topic of discussion. The EIS itself is not light sensitive. If it gets too COLD, it can lower its saturation point and particulates crystalize out, but boiling stabilized EIS has not caused it to change in my experience. Too much heat while *making it* HAS made a difference in my experience, but that's BEFORE stabilization where excess Brownian motion makes for a high reaction rate before ions are protected by bonds with the water. The only way that light plays a role is with the addition of electrons making ions into metallic silver and the only way those electrons can be added is via surface contact with metallic semi conductive glass components serving as a rather poor solar panel and the silica as a capacitor. Electrons can't exist in a free state in water. I have not seen this happen to the extent of significantly changing an EC reading even after the batch has sat on a South facing window sill for years and years. Yes, some batches do change, but those are *contaminated* batches... a distraction to this context of *not* contaminated EIS changing in the sunlight. You cannot make a vacuum in a container full of water...vapor will fill it to saturation. Practically all commercially distributed carbonated beverages ship in gas-tight packaging... :) ## Gas tight and a vacuum are two completely different animals.. and gas tight has a LOT to do with pressure differentials and what is in the container. Making a gas tight *compressed* Hydrogen container is virtually impossible, but at atmospheric pressure, not very hard. At highish pressures, you can even force oil through iron and bronze for oil impregnated bushings. If the internal pressure is the same as the external, there's no reason for any gases to exchange though a seal. That is incorrect,
Re: CSConscious vs the Unconscious
Wouldn't worry too much. It's been shown that for changes to take place for people working with hypnotism, subliminals, affirmations, the statements must be couched in positive terms. Negatives are very difficult to implement. Not so easy, you have to think it out. Habit is another thing, though... Chuck Is it OK to use the AM radio after noon? On 10/17/2008 8:11:44 AM, Dee (d...@deetroy.org) wrote: This is exactly what I believe happens Rowena. As I said, the mind is the most powerful tool in the world. dee Rowena wrote: What I have been led to believe in my various readings is that the subconscious is always listening in and believing stuff, so that if you incautiously say something like I always get things wrong it will very kindly oblige and implement your 'instructions'. I suppose this is how subliminal advertising works. Conscious mind doesn't see it, subconscious does, recognises the brand, obeys the instructions. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1725 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 9:25 PM
