Re: CS>FW: Colliodal Silver

[Norton, Steve]

You are right. I retract my statement
. - Steve N

- Original Message -
From: Clayton Family 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Jul 26 20:46:39 2009
Subject: Re: CS>FW: Colliodal Silver

I am not sure that one can compare silver chloride with ionic silver. 
If one adds salt to ionic silver, it does seems to cause argyria. There 
have been reports of this. Assuming that the EIS changes to silver 
chloride in the stomach is an assumption, pretty much impossible to 
prove either way. I am not sure  it is that simple or everyone using 
eis might be getting argyria.

I think this study has a lot of value. Why on earth would you assume 
the Lab made an error? I think that the prior assumption is what is 
questionable. The body has very complicated biochemistry.

Kathryn

On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

>  I am skeptical of the study because it is contrary to every other 
> study of silver that I have seen. I know some will say that EIS is 
> different than any other type of silver studied but what must be the 
> majority of EIS ingested is ingested as silver chloride after 
> conversion in the stomach. And some studies have used silver chloride 
> with different results. Some issues:
>
> *The daily excretion rate
> *Primary excretion via urine vs feces
> *The assumption the all silver is eventually excreted with no basis 
> for the claim
> *The percent of ingested silver that that enters the bloodstream
>
> Too bad some test data on single daily dose in a non silver-loaded 
> condition is not provided along with a
> single daily dose in a non silver-loaded condition of a non EIS form 
> of silver as a control sample.
>
> There are some other items that give concern. Bit given what is 
> provided I would have to believe that the measurement of silver by 
> Kimball Labs must be faulty.
>
>  - Steve N
>
> From: Laura Zolman 
> To: silver colloidal 
> Sent: Sun Jul 26 06:33:08 2009
> Subject: CS>FW: Colliodal Silver
>
>   Anyone checked this out before...and if yes, what is your opinion.
>
> http://www.silvermedicine.org/AltmanStudy.pdf
>


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Re: CS>FW: Colliodal Silver

[Clayton Family]

I am not sure that one can compare silver chloride with ionic silver. 
If one adds salt to ionic silver, it does seems to cause argyria. There 
have been reports of this. Assuming that the EIS changes to silver 
chloride in the stomach is an assumption, pretty much impossible to 
prove either way. I am not sure  it is that simple or everyone using 
eis might be getting argyria.


I think this study has a lot of value. Why on earth would you assume 
the Lab made an error? I think that the prior assumption is what is 
questionable. The body has very complicated biochemistry.


Kathryn

On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

 I am skeptical of the study because it is contrary to every other 
study of silver that I have seen. I know some will say that EIS is 
different than any other type of silver studied but what must be the 
majority of EIS ingested is ingested as silver chloride after 
conversion in the stomach. And some studies have used silver chloride 
with different results. Some issues:


*The daily excretion rate
*Primary excretion via urine vs feces
*The assumption the all silver is eventually excreted with no basis 
for the claim

*The percent of ingested silver that that enters the bloodstream

Too bad some test data on single daily dose in a non silver-loaded 
condition is not provided along with a
single daily dose in a non silver-loaded condition of a non EIS form 
of silver as a control sample.


There are some other items that give concern. Bit given what is 
provided I would have to believe that the measurement of silver by 
Kimball Labs must be faulty.


 - Steve N

From: Laura Zolman 
To: silver colloidal 
Sent: Sun Jul 26 06:33:08 2009
Subject: CS>FW: Colliodal Silver

  Anyone checked this out before...and if yes, what is your opinion.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/AltmanStudy.pdf




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Re: CS>FW: Colliodal Silver

[Norton, Steve]

I am skeptical of the study because it is contrary to every other study of 
silver that I have seen. I know some will say that EIS is different than any 
other type of silver studied but what must be the majority of EIS ingested is 
ingested as silver chloride after conversion in the stomach. And some studies 
have used silver chloride with different results. Some issues:

*The daily excretion rate
*Primary excretion via urine vs feces
*The assumption the all silver is eventually excreted with no basis for the 
claim
*The percent of ingested silver that that enters the bloodstream

Too bad some test data on single daily dose in a non silver-loaded condition is 
not provided along with a 
single daily dose in a non silver-loaded condition of a non EIS form of silver 
as a control sample. 

There are some other items that give concern. Bit given what is provided I 
would have to believe that the measurement of silver by Kimball Labs must be 
faulty. 

- Steve N




From: Laura Zolman  
To: silver colloidal  
Sent: Sun Jul 26 06:33:08 2009
Subject: CS>FW: Colliodal Silver 


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Subject: Colliodal Silver
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:22:53 -0400

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Re: CS>FW: Colliodal Silver

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Roger Altman is one of the early silver lister's.

I think his retention study on silver in the body is probably the only
one.

He has my vote of confidence.
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RE: CS>healing hands Spiritual Healing Sanctuary in England

[scl555]

Hi Leanardo,

Energy sent 11:25am PST hope you are feeling a little lighter. Let me know how 
you are doing.

Blessings
Steve
www.freewebs.com/stevelevine
 Faith Saint Francis  wrote: 

=

Yes, Mr Steve, I like the idea.
For once I am in distress, my wife got fever in the head, and ran off with 
false pretexts.
It is not for her I ask, though (don't even know her whereabouts)
For once, I-the-healer ask your help for me-the-sufferer;
just for the stress, the fatigue, and the pain this whole situation brings with 
it.
Name is Leonardo R. van Goens,
location Kaya Sekou 559, Seru Kandela, Curacao Netherlands Antilles.
I know about this form of healing, and I shall drop you a line as soon as I 
find relief.
Anything I can do in return?
Please let me know.
Thanks for caring for others, my Friend!

Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:24:26 -0400
From: jessi...@optonline.net
Subject: RE: CS>healing hands   Spiritual Healing Sanctuary in England
To: silver-list@eskimo.com








Steve, my 
sister's name is Kelly in Vernon Hills, IL. Please send her healing energy. She 
has "burning" pain in her body and she constantly focuses on the past 
& negativity. Thanks, Jess

  -Original Message-
From: scl...@netzero.com 
  [mailto:scl...@netzero.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 11:41 
  PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>healing 
  hands Spiritual Healing Sanctuary in England


If anyone has any doubt as to whether remote/distance healing is 
  real I would be willing to put to prove it to you by first hand experience. I 
  have been doing remote healing for many years. Shoot me an email describing 
  your pain, emotional or physical, and distress level 1-10. All I need is your 
  name and location. I will send healing energy for 10min and if it makes a 
  difference you can post in the OT silverlist section. If you have no pain and 
  would like to just feel an energy boost I can do that too. You are free to 
  call me if you have any other questions.

  Sincerely 

  Steve

  www.freewebs.com/stevelevine for 
  further info 

-- Original Message --
From: Faith 
  Saint Francis 
To: 
  
Subject: RE: CS>healing hands 
Spiritual Healing Sanctuary in England
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 
  19:31:47 -0500

Hi Circle,
I do not participate much lately,
being 
  a bit messed up in my private life (divorce and thangs)

There is a 
  world-renowned Healing Center in England,
The Harry Edwards Spiritual 
  Healing Sanctuary,
who work only by distant healing with very pure 
  Healers,

I know by experience (for myself and for clients of 
  mine)
that they do excellent work!
Just browse Harry Edwards, and 
  see,
or otherwise I do have their data
Take care,
and don't get 
  messed up wityer wives!
F S F





  
  


  

  From: reidhar...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Fri, 24 
  Jul 2009 14:01:17 -0400
Subject: CS>healing hands

Hi 
  Everybody,
 
These days I only participate in this discussion 
  occasionally, but I continue to be very grateful for what I've learned 
  here.  Please open your minds to what I'm about to tell you, since so 
  many of us who deal with CS know skepticism very well!
 
Years ago, 
  as a child, I had the opportunity of a passing acquaintance with a couple who 
  were both spiritual healers, named Olga and Ambrose Worrall.  I feel 
  certain that they have been among the most gifted healers of the past sixty 
or 
  seventy years!
 
There's a wonderful book that's available in 
  libraries, and at Amazon, entitled, Olga Worrall Mystic with the Healing 
  Hands, by Edwina Cerutti, published by Harper and Row in 
  1975.
 
Olga and Ambrose were both clairvoyant from an early age, 
  but had experienced so much skepticism that they didn't talk about this to 
  anyone.  Nor did they tell each other about their respective gifts, until 
  they became engaged!  Then they decided to dedicate their lives to 
  spiritual healing, never receiving payment!
 
The work of Olga and 
  Ambrose had a profound influence on me, from the age of sixteen.  Now I 
  cannot read their book without shedding an ocean of 
  tears.
 
Reid
 



  
  


  

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RE: CS>healing hands Spiritual Healing Sanctuary in England

[Faith Saint Francis]

Yes, Mr Steve, I like the idea.
For once I am in distress, my wife got fever in the head, and ran off with 
false pretexts.
It is not for her I ask, though (don't even know her whereabouts)
For once, I-the-healer ask your help for me-the-sufferer;
just for the stress, the fatigue, and the pain this whole situation brings with 
it.
Name is Leonardo R. van Goens,
location Kaya Sekou 559, Seru Kandela, Curacao Netherlands Antilles.
I know about this form of healing, and I shall drop you a line as soon as I 
find relief.
Anything I can do in return?
Please let me know.
Thanks for caring for others, my Friend!

Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:24:26 -0400
From: jessi...@optonline.net
Subject: RE: CS>healing hands   Spiritual Healing Sanctuary in England
To: silver-list@eskimo.com








Steve, my 
sister's name is Kelly in Vernon Hills, IL. Please send her healing energy. She 
has "burning" pain in her body and she constantly focuses on the past 
& negativity. Thanks, Jess

  -Original Message-
From: scl...@netzero.com 
  [mailto:scl...@netzero.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 11:41 
  PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>healing 
  hands Spiritual Healing Sanctuary in England


If anyone has any doubt as to whether remote/distance healing is 
  real I would be willing to put to prove it to you by first hand experience. I 
  have been doing remote healing for many years. Shoot me an email describing 
  your pain, emotional or physical, and distress level 1-10. All I need is your 
  name and location. I will send healing energy for 10min and if it makes a 
  difference you can post in the OT silverlist section. If you have no pain and 
  would like to just feel an energy boost I can do that too. You are free to 
  call me if you have any other questions.

  Sincerely 

  Steve

  www.freewebs.com/stevelevine for 
  further info 

-- Original Message --
From: Faith 
  Saint Francis 
To: 
  
Subject: RE: CS>healing hands 
Spiritual Healing Sanctuary in England
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 
  19:31:47 -0500

Hi Circle,
I do not participate much lately,
being 
  a bit messed up in my private life (divorce and thangs)

There is a 
  world-renowned Healing Center in England,
The Harry Edwards Spiritual 
  Healing Sanctuary,
who work only by distant healing with very pure 
  Healers,

I know by experience (for myself and for clients of 
  mine)
that they do excellent work!
Just browse Harry Edwards, and 
  see,
or otherwise I do have their data
Take care,
and don't get 
  messed up wityer wives!
F S F





  
  


  

  From: reidhar...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Fri, 24 
  Jul 2009 14:01:17 -0400
Subject: CS>healing hands

Hi 
  Everybody,
 
These days I only participate in this discussion 
  occasionally, but I continue to be very grateful for what I've learned 
  here.  Please open your minds to what I'm about to tell you, since so 
  many of us who deal with CS know skepticism very well!
 
Years ago, 
  as a child, I had the opportunity of a passing acquaintance with a couple who 
  were both spiritual healers, named Olga and Ambrose Worrall.  I feel 
  certain that they have been among the most gifted healers of the past sixty 
or 
  seventy years!
 
There's a wonderful book that's available in 
  libraries, and at Amazon, entitled, Olga Worrall Mystic with the Healing 
  Hands, by Edwina Cerutti, published by Harper and Row in 
  1975.
 
Olga and Ambrose were both clairvoyant from an early age, 
  but had experienced so much skepticism that they didn't talk about this to 
  anyone.  Nor did they tell each other about their respective gifts, until 
  they became engaged!  Then they decided to dedicate their lives to 
  spiritual healing, never receiving payment!
 
The work of Olga and 
  Ambrose had a profound influence on me, from the age of sixteen.  Now I 
  cannot read their book without shedding an ocean of 
  tears.
 
Reid
 



  
  


  

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RE: CS> Water distiller

[Gina Moore]

I second Dee!  Fantastic info!

Gina

 

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From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:07 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Water distiller

 

this is a fantastic site sol, yet another good one to keep!  We *are* doing
well for interesting info on the list lately!  dee

 

On 25 Jul 2009, at 19:06, sol wrote:





Joseph Metz wrote:



Recently read of the concept "biological individualism" referring to how
supplements affect us all differently, slightly or dramatically. Its
probably true of taste too.

 

Interesting! And it also sort of fits with the mineral taste test idea.
http://www.psha-inc.com/guai-support/sf/TasteTests.htm
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RE: CS>healing hands Spiritual Healing Sanctuary in England

[jessie70]

Steve, my sister's name is Kelly in Vernon Hills, IL. Please send her
healing energy. She has "burning" pain in her body and she constantly
focuses on the past & negativity. Thanks, Jess
  -Original Message-
  From: scl...@netzero.com [mailto:scl...@netzero.com]
  Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 11:41 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CS>healing hands Spiritual Healing Sanctuary in England


If anyone has any doubt as to whether remote/distance healing is real I
would be willing to put to prove it to you by first hand experience. I have
been doing remote healing for many years. Shoot me an email describing your
pain, emotional or physical, and distress level 1-10. All I need is your
name and location. I will send healing energy for 10min and if it makes a
difference you can post in the OT silverlist section. If you have no pain
and would like to just feel an energy boost I can do that too. You are free
to call me if you have any other questions.

  Sincerely

  Steve

  www.freewebs.com/stevelevine for further info

  -- Original Message --
  From: Faith Saint Francis 
  To: 
  Subject: RE: CS>healing hands   Spiritual Healing Sanctuary in England
  Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:31:47 -0500

  Hi Circle,
  I do not participate much lately,
  being a bit messed up in my private life (divorce and thangs)

  There is a world-renowned Healing Center in England,
  The Harry Edwards Spiritual Healing Sanctuary,
  who work only by distant healing with very pure Healers,

  I know by experience (for myself and for clients of mine)
  that they do excellent work!
  Just browse Harry Edwards, and see,
  or otherwise I do have their data
  Take care,
  and don't get messed up wityer wives!
  F S F








--


  From: reidhar...@hotmail.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:01:17 -0400
  Subject: CS>healing hands

  Hi Everybody,

  These days I only participate in this discussion occasionally, but I
continue to be very grateful for what I've learned here.  Please open your
minds to what I'm about to tell you, since so many of us who deal with CS
know skepticism very well!

  Years ago, as a child, I had the opportunity of a passing acquaintance
with a couple who were both spiritual healers, named Olga and Ambrose
Worrall.  I feel certain that they have been among the most gifted healers
of the past sixty or seventy years!

  There's a wonderful book that's available in libraries, and at Amazon,
entitled, Olga Worrall Mystic with the Healing Hands, by Edwina Cerutti,
published by Harper and Row in 1975.

  Olga and Ambrose were both clairvoyant from an early age, but had
experienced so much skepticism that they didn't talk about this to anyone.
Nor did they tell each other about their respective gifts, until they became
engaged!  Then they decided to dedicate their lives to spiritual healing,
never receiving payment!

  The work of Olga and Ambrose had a profound influence on me, from the age
of sixteen.  Now I cannot read their book without shedding an ocean of
tears.

  Reid







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CS>FW: Colliodal Silver

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Subject: Colliodal Silver
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:22:53 -0400



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Re: CS> Water distiller

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

this is a fantastic site sol, yet another good one to keep!  We *are*  
doing well for interesting info on the list lately!  dee


On 25 Jul 2009, at 19:06, sol wrote:


Joseph Metz wrote:
Recently read of the concept "biological individualism" referring  
to how supplements affect us all differently, slightly or  
dramatically. Its probably true of taste too.


Interesting! And it also sort of fits with the mineral taste test  
idea.

http://www.psha-inc.com/guai-support/sf/TasteTests.htm
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Re: CS>water distiller

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Mine are the ones that were causing a bit of controversy here on the  
list last week!  They are called Cell Salts by NuScience and I don't  
think they have any taste to speak of except maybe to be salty!  They  
just taste of lemon in distilled water - at least to me.  Maybe you  
would get a different taste perhaps?  dee


On 25 Jul 2009, at 19:01, sol wrote:

Same here, except my DH and I are opposite you and yours, I love my  
distilled, and he thinks it is awful. He drinks double filtered tap  
water, and I literally cannot.
I also can't drink tea or coffee or any other beverage made with tap  
water, single or double filtered.
I haven't tried cell salts dissolved in any kind of water, but it  
would be an interesting taste test. I take them under the tongue,  
and mine don't taste of lemon, maybe we are talking about different  
products? My cell salts are Hyland's.

sol