RE: CS>TDS meter

[abeland1]

Phil, 
The fact that you got the reading you did without putting it into water of any 
kind indicates that the unit is faulty. If it's not in water, it should read 
zero. Did you go to the link that I suggested?
https://theartofmakingcolloidalsilver.com/measure-it/

I have tried my best on that page to impart apologize can on the subject of the 
measurement of the PPM of the ionic portion of colloidal silver. Better called 
EIS. If I can improve the page, please tell me how.
Arnold

-Original Message-
From: PT Ferrance  
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:40 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>TDS meter

Wow!  Are all your posts this inaccurate and critical? I've never heard of you 
before yet you tell me my thinking is flawed?
Didn't anyone every teach you manners???
And don't think you can send me another personal email because I just blocked 
you!
PT








On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 04:32:15 PM EST, Ed  wrote: 






PT:  There is no meter available to measure CS strength.  All you learn from a 
TDS meter is that you have something.   You should have tested your good meter 
in a sample of distilled water, reading would be 0-1 when you actually do the 
test.  Its seems you looked at the reading when turning on your meter, and not 
with a substance in between the test points.  Try testing the distilled water 
before saying you have a bad meter please.  Your reports on Rife devices have 
this same flaw in thinking- and your report they have a problem when in essence 
they don't.  To make sure you understand, you need to send your product to a 
lab that does measure the strength of what you call EIS, most of us keep it 
simple and call it CS.  This testing is very expensive.  Your ppm test only 
tells you that you have something, but has nothing to do with quality or 
quantity of CS

On 11/4/2020 1:17 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:


>  
> Thank you.  I am just looking for a way to measure the strength (ppm) of the 
> EIS that I make.
> PT
> 
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> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 06:00:54 PM EST, Phil Morrison 
>  wrote: 
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> There are many meters and ways to measure water conductivity.  Once you have 
> a reading with one meter, that reading is easily converted to reading in any 
> other measurement system.
> 
> https://www.lenntech.com/calculators/conductivity/tds_engels.htm
> 
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Re: CS>TDS meter

[PT Ferrance]

Wow!  Are all your posts this inaccurate and critical?  
I've never heard of you before yet you tell me my thinking is flawed?
Didn't anyone every teach you manners???
And don't think you can send me another personal email because I just blocked 
you!
PT








On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 04:32:15 PM EST, Ed  wrote: 






PT:  There is no meter available to measure CS strength.  All you learn from a 
TDS meter is that you have something.   You should have tested your good meter 
in a sample of distilled water, reading would be 0-1 when you actually do the 
test.  Its seems you looked at the reading when turning on your meter, and not 
with a substance in between the test points.  Try testing the distilled water 
before saying you have a bad meter please.  Your reports on Rife devices have 
this same flaw in thinking- and your report they have a problem when in essence 
they don't.  To make sure you understand, you need to send your product to a 
lab that does measure the strength of what you call EIS, most of us keep it 
simple and call it CS.  This testing is very expensive.  Your ppm test only 
tells you that you have something, but has nothing to do with quality or 
quantity of CS

On 11/4/2020 1:17 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:


>  
> Thank you.  I am just looking for a way to measure the strength (ppm) of the 
> EIS that I make.
> PT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 06:00:54 PM EST, Phil Morrison 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There are many meters and ways to measure water conductivity.  Once you have 
> a reading with one meter, that reading is easily converted to reading in any 
> other measurement system.
> 
> https://www.lenntech.com/calculators/conductivity/tds_engels.htm
> 
> 
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Re: CS>TDS meter

[Ed]

  
  
PT:  There is no meter available to measure CS strength.  All you
  learn from a TDS meter is that you have something.   You should
  have tested your good meter in a sample of distilled water,
  reading would be 0-1 when you actually do the test.  Its seems you
  looked at the reading when turning on your meter, and not with a
  substance in between the test points.  Try testing the distilled
  water before saying you have a bad meter please.  Your reports on
  Rife devices have this same flaw in thinking- and your report they
  have a problem when in essence they don't.  To make sure you
  understand, you need to send your product to a lab that does
  measure the strength of what you call EIS, most of us keep it
  simple and call it CS.  This testing is very expensive.  Your ppm
  test only tells you that you have something, but has nothing to do
  with quality or quantity of CS
On 11/4/2020 1:17 PM, PT Ferrance
  wrote:


  Thank you.  I am just looking for a way to measure the strength (ppm) of the EIS that I make.
PT








On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 06:00:54 PM EST, Phil Morrison  wrote: 






There are many meters and ways to measure water conductivity.  Once you have a reading with one meter, that reading is easily converted to reading in any other measurement system.

https://www.lenntech.com/calculators/conductivity/tds_engels.htm


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Re: CS>TDS meter

[PT Ferrance]

Thank you.  I am just looking for a way to measure the strength (ppm) of the 
EIS that I make.
PT








On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 06:00:54 PM EST, Phil Morrison 
 wrote: 






There are many meters and ways to measure water conductivity.  Once you have a 
reading with one meter, that reading is easily converted to reading in any 
other measurement system.

https://www.lenntech.com/calculators/conductivity/tds_engels.htm


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Re: CS>TDS meter

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks Ode this is already over my head.  Is there really any reason then to 
get one of these meters?  Would it just be better for me to use manual swap 
after the auto swap shuts off on my silverpuppy?
PT








On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 08:19:37 AM EST, Ode Coyote 
 wrote: 





You'll get to the parking lot of the ball park at 10, but nothing over 30 means 
anything at all.

The problem with using meters on solutions with limited solubility. [ESPECIALLY 
"PPM" meters set up to measure salt water which is very highly soluble]
The ionic portion of CS has very limited solubility and some portion will 
convert into an un-measureable colloid depending on variable environmental 
conditions.
 The Silver is still in the water, but a meter won't detect it.
The instant power is off, conductivity starts dropping.
The stronger you made the solution, the more it will drop...by around 40%
Each time you bump it back up, it will drop by about 1/2 as much as the 
previous time, but anything over 30 uS will drop back to 30 uS over time. 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:
> Thanks Ode.  I just want to know if I am making 10ppm or 50ppm EIS.  Will the 
> conductivity meter you mentioned do that?  If not I guess I will just have to 
> keep 'winging' it!
> 
> Just for general information.  I purchased the TDS meter on amazon.  When I 
> contacted them about it being defective they refunded me my purchase price 
> and told me to trash the meter.
> PT
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, November 2, 2020, 08:05:55 AM EST, Ode Coyote 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It should have been calibrated at the factory...calibration can be pretty 
> tricky and  requires a calibration fluid
> Send it back...it's defective.
>  For EIS, get a conductivity meterTDS meters, in general,  'suck' [made 
> for salt water..silver isn't salt]
> HM Digital  EC-3 is a decent meter... their COM-100 is more interesting 
> including conductivity and scales for 3 different types of salt solutions
> THEY ALL don't do what you may think or want them to do in EIS.. a very 
> dynamic and ever changing substance.
>  Not COMPLETELY useless, but not far from it.
> 
> Ode
> 
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:
>> My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no 
>> directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not 
>> been dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
>> Would someone point me in the right direction?  
>> I've searched but have not found good directions.
>> Thanks. 
>> PT
>> 
>> 
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Re: CS>TDS meter

[Ode Coyote]

You'll get to the parking lot of the ball park at 10, but nothing over 30
means anything at all.

The problem with using meters on solutions with limited solubility.
[ESPECIALLY "PPM" meters set up to measure salt water which is very highly
soluble]
The ionic portion of CS has very limited solubility and some portion will
convert into an un-measureable colloid depending on variable environmental
conditions.
 The Silver is still in the water, but a meter won't detect it.
The instant power is off, conductivity starts dropping.
The stronger you made the solution, the more it will drop...by around 40%
Each time you bump it back up, it will drop by about 1/2 as much as the
previous time, but anything over 30 uS will drop back to 30 uS over time.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:

> Thanks Ode.  I just want to know if I am making 10ppm or 50ppm EIS.  Will
> the conductivity meter you mentioned do that?  If not I guess I will just
> have to keep 'winging' it!
>
> Just for general information.  I purchased the TDS meter on amazon.  When
> I contacted them about it being defective they refunded me my purchase
> price and told me to trash the meter.
> PT
>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2020, 08:05:55 AM EST, Ode Coyote <
> silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> It should have been calibrated at the factory...calibration can be pretty
> tricky and  requires a calibration fluid
> Send it back...it's defective.
>  For EIS, get a conductivity meterTDS meters, in general,  'suck'
> [made for salt water..silver isn't salt]
> HM Digital  EC-3 is a decent meter... their COM-100 is more interesting
> including conductivity and scales for 3 different types of salt solutions
> THEY ALL don't do what you may think or want them to do in EIS.. a very
> dynamic and ever changing substance.
>  Not COMPLETELY useless, but not far from it.
>
> Ode
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:
> > My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no
> directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not
> been dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
> > Would someone point me in the right direction?
> > I've searched but have not found good directions.
> > Thanks.
> > PT
> >
> >
> >
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