RE: CSeye twitching
I had eye twitching, numbness, electrical vibration sensations, and many other neurological symptoms, a very good doctor finally ran the right tests and found I had a form of anemia that did not allow my body to absorb vitamin B12, I take injections every 2 weeks. I have no more eye twitching, numbness, etc. Joni Lovegrove htmldivPJoni Lovegrove/P/div/html Original Message Follows From: Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSeye twitching Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:29:22 -0700 (PDT) I have heard that this can also be from a vitamin B deficiency. Magnesium probably was helpful as it is a muscle relaxer. Someone mentioned parasites and babesia. Isnt babesia a parasite? __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCancer, lemon juice, etc.
I would like a copy of the zip file, please. Thanks, joni haw...@comcast.net Original Message Follows From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCancer, lemon juice, etc. Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Barbara said, Are you saying that all those hundreds of thousands of people that are dying of cancer each year (my husband was one of them) are dying completely needlesly? And all the learned doctors and scientists do not understand or don't want to understand those simple changes on the cell level? Are you saying that each and every cancer can be reversed by simply drinking lots of lemon juice and take alkaline minerals? Let us not oversimplify here. Yes, most or all cancer deaths are needless, provided they had been treated early enough in ways that enabled the body to heal itself. Assuming the body had not sunk too low and lost too much ground to heal itself. No, it is not so simple as to just drink lemon water and all cancers will vanish. Dr. Carey Reams treated over 50,000 cancer patients in his life, and claimed to have only lost 7 to cancer (most of them terminal, who had already experienced all their doctors could do to them). There is a long list of doctors and health practitioners who have had astounding success with all types of cancers, who have also been persecuted mercilessly by the medical establishment because of their success. Even using the word *cancer* is complex. What type of cancer? How long has it been there? How old is the victim? What has been their lifestyle up to discovering their cancer? How optimistic/pessimistic is their outlook on life? Have they already had their immune system damaged by standard medical procedure? These factors play a significant part in the success of combating cancer. I have worked with many cancer victims since I started testing in 1984. All of them, without exception, have had very acid urine/saliva pH. Does acid pH cause cancer? No, but bringing up the pH is a very, very integral part of fighting cancer. Dr. Reams used lemon-water, calcium hydroxide and massive does of Vit D (up to 50,000 iu/day) along with other things to not just raise the pH but to concurrently improve the immune system and to detoxify and strengthen the body. He felt that faith in God was as important as improving pH in optimizing the patients chances of recovery. I had a woman with cancer who was brought to me by her husband to test. She had been having 100,000 mg of Vit C injected each day to fight off her cancer. Her pH was the lowest I had ever seen. I took her off the Vit C and recommended a diet/supplement program that included high doses of Vit D, the appropriate calciums and a high protein smoothie each day. Her condition was too fragile to do the lemon-water (a healing crisis might have done her in). She came in for bi-monthly testing, but wasnt following my recommendations. She didnt like the taste of the smoothie. She didnt like taking all those pills. She wouldnt take her cancer seriously. She was dead in two months. Was her cancer needless? Yes, but there was more going on here than cancer. I could speculate that she had a death-wish, or had already given up, but whatever the case, diet and supplements were not adequate. One of the reasons that EFT has had such astounding success with all kinds of health issues, including cancer, is that it addresses the emotional components of the persons health issues. I consider it to be as important as nutrition. By-the-way, I have a zip file that contains a collection of articles about cancer that is profound. I will gladly send it to anyone who asks for it. Terry Chamberlin __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScystitis
If and after infection is ruled out with a culture, consider learning more about INTERSTITIAL CYSTITIS (IC). If you do take antibiotics, make sure they culture and do a sensitivity test on what antibiotic to use, if you go that route. It would be nice if they could do a sensitivity test with CS, but I don't know of any labs that would test. Bladder infections are more easily treated, but if it spread to your kidney it is much more serious and difficult to treat, it also depends greatly on the type of bacteria. Vaginal yeast infections are also very painful and cause the pain associated with cystitis, many times after I am treated for yeast, cystitis is better. A good preventive for yeast is , Flora Q, it has several types of friendly bacteria, can be bought in some drug stores and most health supplement stores. I have had interstitial cystitis and vulvodynia for several years. I was (mis-treated) and misdiagnosed for urinary infections (cystitis) for years. The urine specimen would generally show a few white cells and red blood cells, so the average doctor would think it was an infection and give me a week of antibiotics. I would go back after finishing a round of antibiotics, with no relief, they would send the culture off, then call me to say I did not have any infections, and basically no relief or answers. After about 5 years of misery, three urologist, many antibiotics, and two family doctors, I finally found a urologist in 1999 that figured out what was wrong with me, and treated me, and knew about INTERSTITIAL CYSTITIS. They immediately found I had inflamed bladder, very damaged, and certain cells that are diagnostic of IC and I was treated with much relief with DMSO. The treatment has changed some over the years, but I do get relief. Antibiotics can actually make IC worse if you do not have infection. However; it is always important to get a culture to rule out IC if you do find this is your problem. If I went to a doctor that was not familiar with IC and they looked at my urine on any given day (without sending it off for a culture), they would declare I had a really bad urinary tract infection and send me home with antibiotics. I do not know if CS is ever used with IC treatments, but I am sure someone on the list could tell you. I have heard others mention using CS with DMSO. Diet also helps considerably with IC, the cranberry juice that many people recommend for actual infections only exacerbates IC, anything acid is irritating to an inflamed bladder. You can get online and check out diets that help with bladder and vulva irritation. There is a product called Prelief, over the counter, mostly calcium, that helps tremendously if you take it before meals when you do eat something that irritates the bladder. Carbonated beverages, caffeine, and highly acidic foods are irritating for most IC sufferers. The cause is not completely understood, it can be caused from exposures, possibly autoimmune related, virus, hidden bacteria, fungal infections, still mostly speculation. It is VERY important that you do get cultures done to rule out infection or find out what kind you have and what the bacteria is sensitive to. I have had a few urinary tract infections, that were treated successfully with macrobid, it especially formulated for bladder and is much more easily tolerated than cipro and other antibiotics I have taken. When a urinary tract infection spreads to the kidney it is really a serious problem, so again, get cultured! With interstitial cystitis (IC), it is hard to distinguish between a urinary tract infection, or IC because generally you feel like you have a urinary tract infection. Most people with IC have frequent urination, especially at night. I have also found that lidocaine gel works when it is an IC flare-up to treat the pain topically when vulvodynia is flared up as well. I have also had my urologist to use lidocaine with DMSO or other installations, I can do them at home also. But, I try to have a culture once a month just to make sure I am not getting an infection. Hope this helps, I put off getting a culture last fall, felt sure it was IC and ended up with a really bad kidney infection and had to be hospitalized for a week with IV antibiotics, hope I never have to do that again. The infection can quickly spread throughout your body once it enters the kidneys. joni Original Message Follows From: debbie cozens debbiecoz...@yahoo.co.uk Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CScyctitis Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:11:57 +0100 (BST) I have had bad cyctitis for the past 6 days and my kidneys are startying to hurt..i refuse to go to the doctor for antibiotics..obviously!!!How much CS should i take and how often..please HELP Debbie - How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for
RE: CS
Thanks, this is very helpful, I have recently found out that someone else in my community has lyme, has been treated conventionally with IV antibiotics, and finally got a rife machine and is taking glutathione and has noticed a great improvement the past few weeks. I will take a look at the links you sent. joni Original Message Follows From: Rowena new...@aapt.net.au Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:11:47 +0800 Joni, so sorry to hear of your health probs. I will let others give you more details on CS, but I would definitely make and take it, whatever any others outside might say, even if it were only to lower the bug-load in the body. A lot of us make up a spray with CS, sea salt, xylitol, DMSO, all things that can be looked up on archives and search engines. This can be used on skin or in any orifice. We also inhale it via a nebulizer. Yesterday I had a look at a site which addresses a lot of the things you mention, although it is supposedly about depression and magnesium. It's very long, but worth a read. The author also recommends virgin coconut oil for fungus, candida, etc. http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html#codex and you may have noticed recent postings on coconut oil. I will append some quotes below to give an idea, but it is over 100 pages-worth on the article page alone, let alone links. Some other things I would definitely do given my time over again: colonic irrigation - that could get rid of a lot of toxic waste, and someone wrote once that they actually saw what looked like clumps of cotton wool passing, which they assumed was candida. Maybe, nice thought. Something was freeloading inside. Gamma globulin I would feel was too dangerous. I would run a mile. Even if it were not foreign proteins in the substance itself, and other people's DNA too, no doubt, it could easily have some preservative in it that might affect you, such as thimerosal - how would one ever know? Another thing I would do all over again, as it has pulled me out of the pit, is computer assisted dermal screening, which works out what you need, and then with some electromagnetic process embeds the appropriate homeopathic frequencies on a bottle of water, so that it has the same effect as if it had been prepared to the exactly right potency for your particular needs. If you missed recent correspondence, let me know. Also, the people on the Rife discussion group have tallked a lot about Lyme - there may be someone near you who can help. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rife/ The virgin coconut oil is definitely worth looking into; you can google that alongside your chosen problem. Rowena http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html#codex :I have found some evidence that intestinal yeast overgrowth will cause the kidneys to be unable to recycle taurine, with taurine being lost into the urine. Yeast overgrowth of the intestines is also blamed for many of the arthritic-like complaints often found with scleritis, and is the likely cause of scleritis. Consequently, any effective treatment for Candida yeast should also prevent scleritis. I have found that coconut oil and garlic are effective, particularly when used with taurine. Taurine in these doses should not be considered nutritional in nature, but medicinal, and I don't recommend it. The human body only contains 70 grams of taurine, and supplements of 24 grams per day seem much too high and I took that dosage for only several weeks. Actually, I think that anything that treats inflammatory or irritable bowel disorders would be beneficial in treating or preventing scleritis. However, Kefir is the absolute cat's meow for preventing and curing scleritis. Since I started Kefir (I backed off garlic and coconut oil completely), I have had zero incidence of scleritis (for many months now), thus showing, IMHO, that taurine preservation by elimination of Candida Albicans using Kefir is vital to the cure for scleritis. Dry mouth and dry eyes are some of the most irritating side effects of many prescription anti-depressant drugs (and some other drugs). Dry mouth and dry eyes are usually symptoms of magnesium (and possibly potassium and taurine) deficiency. Dry mouth and dry eyes are very easily treated with oral ionizable magnesium - the nutrient your body is likely starving for. Use of synthetic tears and other simplistic wetting techniques including chewing gum are not solving the nutritional deficits that cause the problem. Magnesium and high potassium content foods such as bananas, potatoes and other whole foods are greatly preferable to drugs. I have found that my health improved greatly simply by using balanced potassium/sodium salts [Morton's Lite Salt - which contains iodide (iodine)] rather than by using plain table salt (sodium chloride). Use of plain table salt can easily lead to imbalances between potassium and sodium. Dry mouth and dry eyes, particularly when
CSMore questions in regard to chelation and CS.
First of all, if this is considered OT, someone tell me and tell me how to get to that link. I am very unsure of what is considered OT, but since I see several things in regard to chelation, lyme, etc., on the CS list, I have a question for anyone willing to respond to this. I have late stage lymes, MS, brain lesions, several diagnosed autoimmune disorders, IC, hypothyroidism, lupus, vasculitis. I was finally convinced to undergo very aggressive IV antibiotics for lymes for ~ 2 years at a lyme's clinic in NC. Today my hemotoligist that has followed me over the years, thinks giving me gamma globbulin, followed by a chelation agent is neccessary and the folks with the lyme's protocol need to address my serious allergy, blood clotting problems and repiratory problems before shooting me full of antibiotics, yeast is also a big problem for me under any circumstances. I have become so hyperallergic that he feels the aggressive antibiotic protocal would probably kill me. I am allergic to many antibiotics, latex and have become super sensitive to environmental inhalents and many foods, and some of the antibiotics on the lyme protocol are in the same basic group that I am allergic to, just a couple of generations newer. My hemotologist basically says if they kill me with herxing or respiratory failure with too aggressive antibiotic treatment, the rest is history. His plan is to boost the immune system with high doses of gamma globbulin,, drive out the toxins with chelation and see what the best plan is from there in treating the infections. I have tested positive for several heavy metals and radioisotopes, I was exposed for many years to these substances in the workplace. He thinks lymes and/ or whatever infections I have and autoimmune problems will be more easily treated if he can get my immune system back up and running. If I knew more about CS, I could approach him with trying this. Does CS help boost immune system or does it mainly fight infections? My hemotologist says most people with autoimmune disorders have lots of infections that are hard to prove with bloodwork whn the immune system is failing. Fungal problems are also being address, does CS treat fungal problems? What about adrenal burnout, will CS help this? Thanks, joni Original Message Follows From: Linda Ellis lellis4...@sbcglobal.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSpeaking of chelation Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Marshall, she actually ended up in the ICU with pneumonia. I'm guessing there would have been flu-like symptoms leading up to that. The last time I saw her before hospitalization was Mother's Day - then we left for a vacation, and before we got to see her upon return, she was in ICU. I can't answer about circles or hollow eyes. But, I will check. While she had quit smoking years ago, she was a very heavy smoker for at least 40 years. I'm guessing there was still a fairly heavy tox load from that in her cells I sure wish I could find resources to research this better Linda Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Linda Ellis wrote: So, can anybody out there point me to any reading that could confirm or refute how chelation works in the treatment of infections; and whether it has even a temporary effect of depressing the immune system? I don't think the chelation herbs, or whatever was used, tend to depress the immune system directly. That is, if you have no heavy metals in the body, then I don't think it would affect the immune system. However chelation is a several step process, first is mobilization, then elimination. During the mobilization phase, heavy metals that have been put away become mobilized, and in the blood stream. This can, from my experience, cause systematic distress, essentially a heavy metal herx reaction until they are eliminated. That will, in my opinion, depress the immune system until everything is eliminated. I offset this by taking CS during the mineral cycle of the chelation. Also if the mineral cycle is not preformed during the treatment, then there could be consequences from loss of metals the body needs, such as calcium. Did she get any flu like symptoms, or circles under the eyes, when doing the chelation? If so then that is a sure sign of teh heavy metal mobilization causing a herx like reaction. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CSMy symptoms - please help!
Jason, I was on a quest similar to yours. After many years of continued decline in my health, many of the same symptoms you have and more, I was finally diagnosed with MS, this was after interstitial cystitis, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, hypothyroidism, chronic yeast, asthma, etc. BUT, I now find out I have chronic late stage lyme disease. It can mimic so many things, there are also many other co-infections that go along with lyme. As someone else mentioned to you, there are treatments. If you have had lyme for a long time, it usually requires very aggressive treatment. It does take someone who understands and treats lyme regularly to properly diagnose and treat. When you have multi-system health problems involving your immune system, most often there is one major culprit, but the primary problem can cause and mimic so many other illnesses. Keep searching until you find a doctor that is capable and will listen and be your own advocate. joni Greetings... I am on what appears to be an eternal quest to figure out what exactly is going on in my body, and how to fix it. For 7 years I have bobbed around from Dr. to Dr. and from diagnosis to diagnosis (all of which ended up being incomplete), ultimately leaving me on my own to figure things out. The closest thing I can come to is either Fibromyalgia / Chronic Fatigue, or Myofascial Pain Syndrome, Candida, and ??? Seems like I may have a lot of different things going on, but I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MY BODY JUST WONT **HEAL** LIKE IT IS SUPPOSED TO :-( Can anyone please help to cut through the fog of confusion and suffering? I am only 30 years old, and have been suffering for too long!! I am SO TIRED of Drs not knowing what to tell me, cramming a million pills in my face, and taking all my money and in return getting nothing besides frustration and side effects. Overall it seems as if my immune system is essentially just not functioning. My body should have healed by now. I am only 30. It feels like something SYSTEMIC is sapping my energy and hampering my immune system... BUT WHAT IS IT!?!?!?!?!? Here's what is going on with me: MUSCLE PAIN / WEAKNESS: My muscles hurt when I use them, specifically my shoulders, neck and arms. And I am talking about light use - like reading some magazines or driving for 30 min. I was in some fairly severe rear-ending car accidents in my earlier years, so theoretically this could be causing some of my muscle pain/weakness all these years later? Myofascial Pain Syndrome? Fibromyalgia? ENERGY: My energy levels are also at an all time low - it is as if my chi or life force is just COMPLETELY DRAINED. Hard to describe, but my life energy feels like it is not even there at all. No excitement, no happiness, no creative drive, no ANYTHING. I feel like a walking husk, like everything has just gone flat line. Is this what Chronic Fatigue feels like? ANXIETY: I have a LOT of anxiety that appears to come from a biochemical / biological level. In other words, I don't get all worked up about something and thus experience anxiety. Quite the opposite: it's a nice day, I am in a good mood, yet I have twisting, nervous anxiety running through my system. Frustrating and hard to deal with to say the least. LIBIDO: My libido has never been so low in my life - it as if it is non-existent. BRAIN FOG: When I eat sugars or alcohol, I get the dreaded brain fog that Candida and Fibromyalgia sufferers experience. This leads me to think that I have Candida at a bare minimum. DARK CIRCLES UNDER EYES: These vary in intensity, but are always there to the point that people often comment with things like wow, you look tired! or wow, you look terrible! Get some sleep! etc etc etc. and it is not only very frustrating, but also very embarrassing and self-esteem sapping. WHEAT SENSITIVITY: When I eat wheat (like the amount in an order of tempura shrimp), I get upper extremity muscle pain, and very uncomfortable anxiety that almost seems to come from a nervous system level. Hard to explain but it as if someone is sticking a fork in my whole nervous system and just twisting. Very uncomfortable, and usually is accompanied by stomach upset/nausea. ALLERGIES / CHEMICAL SENSITIVITIES: I am sensitive to many fragrances, detergents, etc so avoid all those, but also have problems with dust mites, diesel smoke, etc. If I eat food that was wrapped in certain types of Saran (PVC) wrap, I break out in hives. This was recently discovered to be a sensitivity to phthalates which are chemicals put into some plastics to soften them. See http://www.calisafe.org/_disc1/0066.htm and http://www.jobwerx.com/news/Archives/plastics_biz-id=947140_529.html for more info on phthalates. _jason_ _ ___ _ ___ __ _ _ _ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to:
RE: CSNeed advice on eradicating Borrelia Burgdorferi
I can relate to your situation, I was misdiagnosed with MS and now find out I have advanced Lyme's disease. My family doctor sent me to a clinic that specializes in treating lyme's (Jemsek clinic) in NC a couple of weeks ago, They use high dose intravenous IV antibiotics pulsed with oral antibiotics and lots of IV fluids, they have a nutrition department that recommends certain supplements, etc.to boost your immune system and are building a decompression chamber (can't think of the name of it.) Also work with you on the (hirks0 reactions and monitor liver and kidney function very closely. I also have central nervous system damage along with the many other symptoms and condtions that develop with untreated lyme's. I am waiting to see what others on this list say about CS and treatment of lyme's, I am definitely going to consider other options before starting such an aggressive treatment. Also (to any of you out there), will CS help with the yeast problem that develops with lots of antibiotic use and what are the interactions, if any, with CS and IV and oral intibiotics? Borrelia burgdorferi is very hard to treat. Since spirochetes in general are difficult to treat for several reasons; they have the ability to burrow into or between cells and hide, gaining protection from the immune system. It is also hard to get a positive reading on a test because of this, the immune system is so shot at this point that is very important to get your tests done at a lab that specializes in recognizing borrelia burgdorferi Bb. My first two tests came back negative. The probability of co-infections is extremely high wth tick born diseases. I guess you know, this bug eventually hits all of your systems and can mimic many other condtions. Good luck, I am still making decisions on my treatment and also open to any suggestions. joni Original Message Follows From: fl...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNeed advice on eradicating Borrelia Burgdorferi Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:05:54 EDT Hello Group, I am trying to rid myself of borrelia burgdorferi and would appreciate any input on how to accomplish it. Long term antibiotics seemed to have had little or no effect. This has really taken a toll on me and in turn on my family as well. I have a Silverpuppy generator. Any advice is welcome. Thanks, Dana -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSLyme disease
Thanks Original Message Follows From: Marshalee mama...@netzero.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSLyme disease Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 17:40:56 -0600 Dear Joni, It is actually Lyme Disease; it doesn`t own anything. Named after the town of Lyme, CT. I`m so glad you got a proper diagnosis. I hope CS helps you as well as it did me!! Good luck, Marshalee I can relate to your situation, I was misdiagnosed with MS and now find out I have advanced Lyme's disease. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni)
This is an old email, but I have a question concerning mycoplasms for someone willing to answer. I have other chronic problems I have asked questions about previously but most recently have had an unexplained pulmonary problem which presents itself as asthma, but none of the conventional treatments have worked. My husband and I have been ill since before Thanksgiving, which started with what we thought was the flu, he has had ongoing lanrangel spasms (very frightening), unrelenting cough for both of us, we have had prednizone, antibiiotics, allergy medications, etc., inhalers, etc., a friend just mentioned to me this weekend that she was recently hospitalized for mycoplasms and treated with high dose antibiotics. How could this be diagnosed and what is the chance of trying CS for this? With so many sudden breathing problems, we decided to purchased and ion clean air machine which after a week of being closed up in the bedroom and becoming much worse finally read the fine print and found out you are NOT suppose to use these machines with asthma or any kind of repiratory problems, the machine actually produces ozone and in a close area this can pose serious health problems, in a room with the door closed in a very short period of time, the ozone level is sometimes 5 times higher than permissable levels. This is on the box but in the back of the manual. It does clean spores, bacteria, etc., with the ozone it produces. Everything I have read since this, says ozone exposure can cause many of the symptoms we are having and can cause pulmonary damage. Does CS also work for repairing damage already done? I do remember in earlier questions about asthma, someone mentioned several things to add to a breathing treatment when doing them at home, I think it included DSMO? I thought I saved the email, but cannot locate it. Thanks, joni Original Message Follows From: nancymike nancym...@prodigy.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:16:22 -0600 I truly believe MS is a mycoplasma, which is a man made virus. All MS patients who are using CS are doing well. This is because it is a virus. Nancy - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni) On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:33, nancymike wrote: MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It has nothng to do with aspertame. I believe you meant MS is NOT a virus? Aspartame could indeed contribute to the invasion of the joint, by causing inflammatory conditions. Great article btw, thanks for posting this. Garnet http://www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm Mycoplasmas, unlike viruses, can grow in tissue fluids (blood, joint, heart, chest and spinal fluids) and can grow inside any living tissue cell without killing the cells, as most normal bacteria and viruses will do. Mycoplasmas are frequently found in the oral and genito-urinary tracts of normal healthy people and are found to infect females four times more often than males, which just happens to be the same incidence rate in rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue and other related disorders.(7) Mycoplasmas are parasitic in nature and can attach to specific cells without killing the cells and thus their infection process and progress can go undetected. In some people the attachment of mycoplasmas to the host cell acts like a living thorn; a persistent foreign substance, causing the host's immune defense mechanism to wage war. This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, swollen, and painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid diseases, fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus and MS, Crohn's and others. In such cases the immune system begins attacking itself and/or seemingly healthy cells. Some species of mycoplasmas also have the unique ability to completely evade the immune system. Once they attach to a host cell in the body, their unique plasma and protein coating can then mimic the cell wall of the host cell and the immune system cannot differentiate the mycoplasma from the body's own host cell. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSmercury and heavy metals
I would like an answer to this question also. I worked with heavy metals and radioisotopes for many years? I have just recently sent off a hair sample. Original Message Follows From: Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSmercury and heavy metals Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:19:41 -0800 (PST) Does CS remove mercury or heavy metals? Does it work as a detox agent for other things besides heavy metals? __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Joni Lovegrove
Re: CSAsthma
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Diet change: What could I be eating that could cause asthma, I would glady remove anything from my diet, I agree that diet is crucial, but I am not familiar with foods that cause asthma, but I have found that any shellfish, avacodo, and some food additives put me into an asthma attack. What has been coughing and wheezing has now turned into almost totally constricted airways, something has really changed. Is there a book or a website on foods and asthma? Next response to mold: We have lots of trees around our house and lots of rain lately, it seems to worsen the asthma to go outside. I have had a touch of asthma for a few years, seems to be triggered by allergies, dust, mold, cats, etc., we do have a cat in the house, but this has been a very severe acute attack. I cannot be around smoke, dyes or pesticides. No mold that I am aware of in our house, or leaks, we do have a basement, but my husband coated the outside and inside as we built it, along with rubber coating on blocks inside and out of basement. We also use a dehumidifier in the summer. I have a large ion machine in our bedroom. I think after being in the hospital, all the antibiotics, then the final straw was an injection of enbrel, it set me into an immediate asthma attack, it has been very severe for the past two weeks. I finally had to take prednizone because my oxygen flow was less than 20%, I could walk miles, now I can barely breath and walk up the steps, xrays show my lungs are severely enlarged. I have never had anything like this, it is really frightening. You mentioned micoplasms: How can microplasms be checked? As for the neulizing of DMSO and CS, I have been too sick to figure out how to get it. I absolutely cannot get a full breath when I walk or talk. I am really concerened about taking prednizone and the inhaler, but it was all I could do under my present circumstances. I am hoping to get over this acute stage, so I can follow through on some of the suggestions and going to the links that many of you have sent for the differnt health issues I have recently developed. Thanks, -joni Are you in a moist humid climate? Are there any moisture issues in your house or basement? Do you have a crawl space under your house? Do you know of any plumbing leaks? Mold could hide in very hard to find places and be outgassing toxic fumes that cause asthma and immune suppression. It is a frequent hidden cause of asthma, cancer, CFS and MCS. Mycoplasma growing in the mucous in the lungs can cause asthma, nebulizing DMSO and CS will kill it and often relieves asthma symptoms in just a few days. Garnet On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 12:03, Sharon Cooper wrote: Changing her diet how? I am wondering what she might be eating that could cause asthma. I have been worried about my 2yo because he had three asthma attacks ( one really bad one ) and they want me to put him on steroids for the next 7 years. Seems excessive to me and if there is a possiblity of keeping him healthy without I'd like to hear it. THanks Sharon On Nov 21, 2004, at 10:41 PM, John Rigby wrote: At 02:14 PM 21/11/04, you wrote: I am having a terrible time with asthma, none of the traditonal medications are working, if this something CS could help. I think all the antibiotics have caused more and more allergies which have worsened my asthma, my lungs are extremely enlarged, but very constricted bronchil tubes. I am on two inhalors and prednisone, I fought the prednisone, but it was an emergy situation. I am already dealing with MS, Lymes, and the chonic antibiotic resistant kidney infection. I have appreciated all the information supplied by many of you. Thanks, Joni Lovegrove Joni, PLEASE try changing your diet as a critical first step. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Joni Lovegrove
Re: CSAsthma
Thank you so much!
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:53:18 +0300
Look into these:(YAMOA BARK) it comes from Africa.
{ Serrapeptase } Its a enzyme.Good for inflamation cleaning your arteries
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Hulda Clark claims it parasites that cause it.
In the {Water Cure book},he says drinking more water
adding more salt to the diet will help cure it.
Sea Salt of course. www.curezone this site has info on
most of the above.
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I am having a terrible time with asthma, none of the traditonal medications are working, if this something CS could help. I think all the antibiotics have caused more and more allergies which have worsened my asthma, my lungs are extremely enlarged, but very constricted bronchil tubes. I am on two inhalors and prednisone, I fought the prednisone, but it was an emergy situation. I am already dealing with MS, Lymes, and the chonic antibiotic resistant kidney infection. I have appreciated all the information supplied by many of you. Thanks, Joni Lovegrove -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLive Bacteria
Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, but I am trying. joni Original Message Follows From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLive Bacteria Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. sol j rigby wrote: Hi there, Joni Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Joni Lovegrove
Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni)
Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS could help MS? thank, joni Original Message Follows From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 Is this injested orally? Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni) From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed in is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Joni Lovegrove
Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni)
TJ, Thanks, I had heard that it could be a culprit, I cut it out of my diet about two years ago because it was a major migraine trigger for me, but maybe I am getting in foods that I am not aware of. I will go online and check that out. - joni Original Message Follows From: T J Garland alch...@esper.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:13:47 -0500 Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food products. - Original Message - From: Joni Lovegrove haw...@msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni) Thanks, TJ, for the information, just got out of hospital...of course, I could not get them to try CS. I have had intravenous drips for four days and still very sick, have had both antifungals and antibiotics, only seem to be worse. I am going to try the CS on my own, but one more question...since I have also been diagnosed with MS, is there any additional information I need to know before starting the CS. I cannot start on MS meds until this infection is gone. At this point...from what I have read about interferon...I don't even want to take it. Is there any evidence that CS could help MS? thank, joni Original Message Follows From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:37 -0500 Is this injested orally? Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni) From: T J Garland (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:51:37 -- -- I have found personally and with friends that CS with DMSO and a half teaspoon of D- Mannose( the active ingredient in cranberry juice) mixed in is deadly to the E-coli and other bacteria in the bladder. TJ -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Joni Lovegrove Joni Lovegrove
RE: CSLive Bacteria
been taking it. She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Joni Lovegrove Joni Lovegrove Joni Lovegrove
Re: CSLive Bacteria
I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to my history. But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly what I am going through. I am getting nothing resolved. I have mentioned CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to everything that has been tried. I am going back today, very concerned, the bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated. joni Original Message Follows From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLive Bacteria Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:10:09 -0500 I thought it was excreted in the urine within an hour? Maybe you have to drink a lot. It could also be infused via a urinary catheter as in DMSO therapy for cystitis. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:15, nancymike wrote: Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria there. I have found great help from d Mannose. Nancy - Original Message - From: Denise Every deni...@citlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: Re: CSLive Bacteria She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they do a urine culture and sensitivity. Dead bacteria don't cause infection, dead bacteria would not grow on a culture. What the heck kind of doctor is this??? If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show up in the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive reaction (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) in the urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of bacteria, from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on, but I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I said they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria were live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect on the bacteria whatsoever. Denise - Original Message - From: William Amos wa...@mailstation.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM Subject: CSLive Bacteria Hello All: I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Joni Lovegrove
RE: CSLive Bacteria (Joni)
Hi Bill, This infection has spread to my kidneys and is not responding to tradtional antibiotics, will the CS help with kidney as well as bladder infections? I am also suppose to start on an interferon drug next week for MS, I don't know where to find information in regard to drug interactions with CS, or if that is a problem. I am allergic to many antibiotics, are there any adverse reactions other than the hex reaction from bacteria decaying. I have Lyme's disease, can CS help kill this bacteria. Thanks so much, joni Original Message Follows From: William Amos wa...@mailstation.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSLive Bacteria (Joni) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:09:18 Hi Joni: Thanks to Dr. Kenney, Garnet and others on the list that have taken their time to give their input on this problem, I believe that there is help. It is your decision to try the Colloidal Silver, and as you have read, it has helped many. I will keep the list informed on the young lady that I mentioned with the same problem. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Joni Lovegrove
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