RE: CSRe: C.S. Nicotene Detox
Dee, I only offer this comment in the hope that it might help someone. Between ages 19 and 30 I smoked a pack a day and tried to quit on many occasions. You probably know the routine. Crumple the pack and throw it away, only to un-crumple it later, straighten out a cigarette (sometimes using scotch tape) in order to satisfy the craving. Nothing worked until I studied something about the mind, visualization, subconscious perception of reality, etc. I prepared a side-by-side list of pros and cons to smoking versus not smoking, and began to visualize myself as a non-smoker. This means that I practiced seeing myself as a non-smoker, and began to imagine how well I would feel, how much nicer I would smell, how much more in control I would be as a non smoker. You have to do this exercise for about two weeks before the subconscious mind accepts the new image of yourself and can support any decision to stop smoking. All other efforts are difficult and often impossible because we are using will power, chemicals, gum, etc. in a fight against what we really believe about ourselves, which is that we ARE SMOKERS. The subconscious is always stronger than the conscious will power. This technique is well known and practiced by athletes in a variety of disciplines. Only when the visualized new self (Non-smoker) was accepted as real in my subconscious mind, was I able to just quite suddenly, and never crave it again, because only then did the subconscious mind agree with my decision to quit smoking and the fight was over. On rare occasions, over the years, I have indulged in a few cigarettes or a cigar, along with some beers when I was in the company of smoker friends. But the next day it was all forgotten (even regretting the after-taste of cigars) with no cravings for tobacco. I perceive myself as a non-smoker in my conscious and subconscious mind so I can smoke on very rare occasions and never be hooked on it again. I hope that I offered something worth considering. Peter
RE: CSRe: C.S. Nicotene Detox
Hello folks, On the matter of detoxing from nicotine, please allow me a thought here. Instead of constantly seeking for a way to medicate for this or that, would it not be better to just do the following: 1. quit smoking 2. start exercising so that the lungs can expel the toxins naturally. 3. use a simple, general detox fast, such as the Master Cleanse. 4. start eating healthy foods All too often we seem to look for concoctions and unnatural procedures as a remedy for other unnatural concoctions and procedures that we want to correct from. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAlfalfa and Kelp, amount and ingestion
I am not knowledgeable about alfalfa either. However, here is something that I found on the can of alfalfa, which may just be advertising hype, or worthy of more in-depth research for factuality. -Centuries ago the Arabs used nutrient-rich alfalfa as feed for their horses because they claimed that it made the animals swift and strong. They eventually became so convinced of its benefits to their own health that they named the grass Al-Fal-Fa, which means father of foods. Peter Thanks Duncan and Peter. A teaspoon or so sounds fine to me, but I am not sure I would worry about amounts slightly better than a teaspoon. I've had horses - but still am no expert - and they thrived on quantities of alfalfa hay, as I recall. So I am now curious about this even more. And if in ground and in caps perhaps 2-4. I'll try some in my cereal tomorrow morning.
RE: CSAlfalfa and Kelp, amount and ingestion
Sol, No matter what the subject may be, you will find good, solid arguments in favor and against it. The writers on both sides present themselves as authorities or, at least, knowledgeable on their subject. So now I consider both sides, then move in the direction that makes most sense to me at the moment. I am responsible for my own health and destiny. If and when new information is presented which persuasively contradicts what I am practicing, then I will reconsider and perhaps revise my actions. But to endlessly read the pros and cons leads to frustration and inactivity, and this frustration may, in itself, be more harmful than the problem that we are trying to solve. As long as you take alfalfa, or anything else for that matter, in a prudent and limited way, you will probably benefit from it. So will the horses, rabbits, and anything else that eats vegetation. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAlfalfa and Kelp, amount and ingestion
Maz, I occasionally add a teaspoonful of alfalfa to my breakfast, along with two teaspoonfuls of yeast flakes and an equal quantity of semi-ground flax-seeds. A rather good mixture, along with other items. I used to add alfalfa to my dog's dinner too. Peter
RE: CSComparing Meso and Sovereign.
While much more knowledgeable voices can answer this question, I, being relative new to this, know that I have silver in my CS because the distilled water alone measures 0.3 on the Hanna PWT but measures 15.00 or so after going through the electrolytic process. And, yes, I make sure that the silver rods and glass jar are spotlessly clean and rinsed with DW. My CS is usually clear, has little Tyndall effect and might taste a little metallic, depending on how it was produced. After all the discussion that has taken place here in the last few days I am convinced that what we are making at home is most adequate for our intended use. If a wealthy dude would put some of his money to serious research on colloidal silver, some of these questions would probably get definitively answered once and for all. But until such a blessed event, we have to go on the best available evidence. Speaking of big money, I have always wondered why none of these people ever fund projects such as CS research, when the existing evidence and knowledge suggest that the whole world could benefit from it. If they are seeking to benefit mankind, what better opportunity than in alternative (less expensive, more beneficial) medicine? Peter If you somehow made mostly ionic CS and it had no flavor and no color and no Tyndall, how could you be sure you even have silver in the water? Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSComparing Meso and Sovereign.
Dee, Thanks for that information about your health and that of your dogs. I lost my dog to cancer last April. Even though money was never a consideration in my effort to save his life, I probably spent in the vicinity of $7,000 on that pet. Since then I have become aware of vaccinosis, and the effect of various chemicals and contaminants that pets come in contact with, whether in the form of lawn treatment/fertilizing, pesticides, or commercially produced pet foods. Now I am learning about CS. My next pet will start out with a much better chance for good health, as I am also benefiting from this knowledge. While it is obvious why the big pharmas are against effective home remedies, I still can't understand why no independent, wealthy person cannot be found who would fund the needed research. After all, such a person has no need for profit, as for example, Warren Buffet who is transferring billions to the Bill Gates foundation. For what? For more research into expensive apparatus that diagnoses cancer more effectively and more expensively, or for new drugs that attack certain symptoms while creating new side effects, which now must also be treated by additional, expensive drugs? I must now get off my soap box, before I get pushed off! Peter
RE: CSskin cancer
Paula, The place where you will read all about the damage caused by processed oils/fats (cancer, diabetes) is from the oil lady herself, who is Dr. Johanna Budwig. If you are interested in this topic I will send you a number of information sources. She was pushed out of her position as the nation's top fats expert in Germany by the hydrogenated oils and fats industry, and for obvious reasons. Peter I read somewhere that the surge in skin cancer has more to do with the type of oils that are used in all of the processed and fast/fried foods that are ingested today. This source also was claiming that the oils/fats we ingest also have a lot to do with the diabetes epidemic we are seeing in the country. I'll try and remember where I read that info. Paula
RE: CSComparing Meso and Sovereign.
Dee, I have the same problem discussing this topic with friends, even those who have or had cancer. It seems that all of us have the lazy streak in us, which makes it easier to believe and argue in favor of something that we have heard all our lives, rather than have to exert effort to assimilate new facts. On the subject of CS I now get daily jokes at work, by people who have just heard the word for the first time and know nothing about it. But there was a time when I, too, was ready to just walk away from it without learning anything about it. Thanks to Terry Chamberlain and Rowena I got pulled back into the circle long enough to engage my brain. Peter
RE: CS/B.P. Meds
Since sunlight and vitamin D were discussed, let me add my own experience which is based on practicing the Budwig protocol as a general health enhancer. Dr, Budwig stated that a person who has been ingesting the flax-oil/Quark mixture for a few months develops a very real resistance to sun burn and that NO sun blocker should be used at all, using common sense in determining the length of exposure to the sun. During July/August of 2006 I sunbathed under the mid-day sun for an hour at a time with no sun-blocker at all. At times it got so hot that I even turned on a large fan on myself, to cool down. I got a nice tan, but no sunburn. In November, while lying for hours in the hot sun, on the deck of a cruise ship in Greece, I felt my face get that hot, flushed feeling which lasted two days, but again no burn or peeling. The whole theory is explained in Dr. Budwig's books, which are available from Nexus and other book sellers. I just know from direct experience that it works, and also builds up the body's vitamin D level. Peter -Original Message- From: vwol...@aol.com [mailto:vwol...@aol.com] Same thing with Vitamin D...which is actually Pandemic...since we have been told to slather sunblock on even if we go out for the mail...:( (I exaggerate, of course)...we have also blocked the benefits from exposure to Sunlight...Vitamin D. The answer is so simple...use the Sunblock if being in the Outdoors for long periods of time..just be sure and get in 15 to 20 minutes of Sun daily...minus the sunblock. Two years ago in trying to find the reason for the pain in my bones and muscles..tests..including a PTH- Intact showed that I had a -zero Vitamin D in my system. Not surprised. As an Irishwoman ...I have always been very sensitive to the sun...and avoid it like the plague. This Had to result in a negative D level...along with a genetic glitch in my family...makes for some nasty problems. Did intensive therapy and brought the levels to about 20...the numbers should be minimum of 50..trying a new doc..will see what he says.
RE: CScomparing
Very well stated, Ode! There is no other answer to rock solid logic, except acceptance. Thanks for presenting it so simply and so clearly and from the knowledgeable vantage point. Peter -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScomparing LOL Nothing can be smaller than an ion except maybe the pinhead that calls one thing another then uses the mis-definition to prove a point smaller than the top of that head by making it bigger by drying it and adding air to it, then taking pictures of the larger results with a camera that can't take pictures of the smallest possible original. Look! I made it much bigger to take a picture to prove how small it is even though it's not now what it was ! A silver ions diameter is about 0.000252 microns. An ion cannot exist without the water it is in. That camera cannot take pictures of water and at 97% ionic, there are virtually no particles to take pictures of unless you call ions particles, but can't take pictures of them. Particle size is not the only thing that can produce a color and more than one factor can play a role in anything. 'This AND that', is much much more common than 'this OR that'. If this is what does the job and it's in there along with that, it will do so despite the presence of that. Neither Meso Silver Or EIS is entirely this or that. One better does not make the other bad. Ode At 05:01 PM 12/18/2006 +0005, you wrote: Sandy writes: From what I gathered, the meso is smaller than Ionic, but even Marshall's paper explains/agrees that the color is due to larger particle size.. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS/B.P. Meds
Actually, Nancy, I have read somewhere that sun exposure is not the real cause of skin cancer (melanoma) but other contributing factors, and that exposure to the sun (within reasonable limits) actually helps against melanoma. But I don't have the source readily available. If sun exposure alone were the cause of melanoma, one would expect the citizens of equatorial or sun-drenched countries to be dropping like flies from this cancer, but I have not heard such. Peter Peter, Very good post about your experience with sun exposure. It really gives one food for thought about the condition of the body in relation to the dire warnings of sun and skin cancer, which are rampant. nancy...
RE: CS/B.P. Meds
Hello GMet, I do agree with you that Mediterranean types have a higher resistance to burning than Scandinavians but, as a young lad, I did burn when overexposed to the sun. I recall many a painful experience. One would assume that, being Greek, I would have an olive complexion that is hardy against sun-burn. I do not have olive skin or look Greek. The Greek influence in my bloodline is from my maternal grandfather, who was Greek. But his wife was Scottish. On my father's side, his mother was German and his father Italian. Of all these, my mother and her father had olive skin. I was surprised to notice the difference in results from sun exposure before and after taking EFAs. Peter -Original Message- From: gmetrop...@aol.com [mailto:gmetrop...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS/B.P. Meds
RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
What is TCM, and what is it that they can treat? Perhaps a more complete sentence will make the message more understandable. Peter -Original Message- From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes lol, yeah, im a second year TCM student. they can treat that. - Original Message - From: Peter M. Stellas stel...@foxinternet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes One more thing. I am not looking for acupuncturists or Ayurvedic medicine, just a solution for the floaters in my eyes. One fellow claims that he has found it. That is all I want. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: 12/13/2006
RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
I have no idea what my blood is like, except that it is type O. I also know that I have hypertension because I am not as active as I need to be. Nothing seems to ail me except trying to read through floaters. If they can be eliminated through flax seed oil, or though the other concoctions that have been mentioned here, I would like to look into that, particularly flax seed oil that is absolutely harmless, as well as CS. Chinese medicine and philosophy are outside the scope of my interests, at this stage of my life. After all , we are all going to leave this body behind, sooner or later. But thanks for the information thus far. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
So how does TCM eliminate floaters from the eyes, without acupuncture? Peter -Original Message- From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes traditional chinese medicine. floaters in the eyes. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Ross, I certainly can thank you for a response, even though the beer under your belt seems to have rendered it worthless, in terms of constructive suggestion. Getting old does not mean giving up, nor does lack of interest in Chinese medicine, (inter-related with Chinese philosophy) mean lack of interest in learning new things. There are some on various websites who advocate recycling their own urine as a therapeutic means, and I hope they enjoy it and benefit from it. But I don't have to espouse that to be a well balanced individual. Lack of exercise is largely due to a full time job, a house remodel effort, and an attempt to start a new business. Lack of interest in someone's pet philosophical bent is not a lack of interest for life or knowledge, just a lack of conforming to the latest craze that happens to be sweeping America. There may be a lot of good to it, and a lot of old world superstition as well. If a simple and tried method is available, which some have suggested here, then it is sufficient for the need at hand without my having to adopt a whole knew philosophy, and this is true at any and every age. I hope that you don't limit your intellectual input only to occasions when you have had a few beers under your belt. I would also like to hear the unaffected you speaking. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Vigilus, I do appreciate your information to my questions, and I don't doubt that herbal treatment has good results. After all, alternative therapy is concerned with natural substances instead of man-made ones. I have difficulty seeing how acupuncture would affect floaters which, to my understanding, are detached pieces of some inner part of the eye. While the electrochemical activity of herbal substances may cause these loose flaps to dissolve, I cannot see how acupuncture would result in the same thing, but that is obviously my problem, since I do not care to get involved in the whole philosophy of ying versus yang. But thanks again for your information. Peter -Original Message- From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes dont know all the particulars, but they use herbs for treatment. herbs and acupuncture. can also treat hypertension. - Original Message - From: Peter M. Stellas stel...@foxinternet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes So how does TCM eliminate floaters from the eyes, without acupuncture? Peter -Original Message- From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes traditional chinese medicine. floaters in the eyes. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: 12/13/2006
RE: CSEye cataracts options with MSM, NAC, etc.
Carlos, While I am not a medical professional by a long stretch, logic suggests that Cayenne in the eyes could cause some serious damage. I don't perceive the eyes to be tolerant to so strong an irritant, but if you have success, let us know. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Chuck, Your post caught my interest because I am also bothered by heavy floaters. Please give me a detailed description of the eye formula you have used, meaning, the exact proportions of the mixture and where you get Dr. Christopher's eye drops. Peter -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSEye cataracts options with MSM, NAC, etc. Carlos I currently uses eyedrops using Dr Christophers eyedrop tincture that contains eyebright, billberry, etc. and includes Cayenne also. I created my own formula by using CS ,MSM, and 15 drops of Christopher's extract in an ounce container. My problem was heavy floaters. Not a problem anymore. Stings a little, no big deal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
I can't say that I have had any more vexation or anger than the next person, nor have I had liver problems. All in all, I have been very healthy and will be 70 years old in April, although most people don't put me past 50. So how does that relate to floaters? Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
One more thing. I am not looking for acupuncturists or Ayurvedic medicine, just a solution for the floaters in my eyes. One fellow claims that he has found it. That is all I want. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: floaters in the eyes
Thanks for that reply, Chuck. The formula does not contain any ingredients that I would fear putting in my eyes, and if you got good results it is worth a try. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSColon cleanser
Folks, Some time ago I went on the Master Cleanse fast for 10 days. It consists of lemonade and maple syrup, two of the safest ingredients on this planet and not subject to FDA meddling. It took all 10 days to completely cleanse out my bowels and probably the liver and gall bladder as well and I felt no bad symptoms, no weakness or slowdown whatsoever. At the end of that fast I had also lost a few pounds and returned to eating with vegetables, juices, the Budwig breakfast and some occasional meat, fish, and eggs (all organic). I am no extremist. Now I eat about three or four prunes daily and have no concept of such topics as constipation, bloating, or intestinal problems. Why spend your money on artificial concoctions when you can use the most natural ones and get the most benefit? Remember, at the end of each of the myriads of product promotions there is a human who is holding out his hand for money. All these sophisticated colon cleanses with tea, coffee, and who knows what else, are not really natural at all. Peter -Original Message- From: reglee [mailto:reg...@tpg.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Donna Subject: RE: CSColon cleanser
RE: CSColon cleanser
Scott, I just posted information on colon cleansing that is safe, effective, and will not break the bank. Google the following: Master cleanse You will find the recipe, and commentaries of people who have used it successfully. Peter -Original Message- From: Scott [mailto:scottie592...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:37 AM To: Silver List Subject: CSColon cleanser I was wondering if any of you knew of a safe, homemade recipe that cleanses the colon? I saw some interesting things from a product sold as Colonix: http://www.drnatura.com/. I can't afford to spend the astronomical prices they want for this stuff. Anyhow, I appreciate the feedback. In His Service, Scott Young In His Service, Scott _ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! http://answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFvbGNhMGE3BF9TAzM5NjU0NTEwOARfcwMzOTY1 NDUxMDMEc2VjA21haWxfdGFnbGluZQRzbGsDbWFpbF90YWcx Answers.
RE: CSMany questions from a new member!
Peter, I am also named Peter and I am originally from Athens, Greece. I visit there every September/October and have recently become involved with the CS group and had the same question as far as producing CS in Greece. My current plan is to build two generators. One will be a 2 gal capacity for use here in the U.S. and the other one will be powered by 4 nine volt batteries, with a 20K resistor or current limiting diode that will be used when I am in Greece. If you are anywhere close to Athens contact my privately and I will look you up when I get there in September. Peter -Original Message- From: Misc. IP Group [mailto:m...@ipgroupltd.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMany questions from a new member! Hi I'm new to the list and was very pleased to find this list and sad to see that the archives are down at present, so apologies if I'm asking questions which have been answered thousands of times before in the archives. I have a number of questions already so here goes: 1) What is the difference between colloidal silver and silver in the form of silver gluconate? 2) I'm looking at making a colloidal silver generator as I enjoy making things and I'm in Greece and wher I am colloidal silver etc is unheard of. I was looking at going constant current at 0.5mA. Any comments on this current level? I prefer to wait longer and get better quality if necessary. Also is it better to use bigger pieces of pure silver to have a greater surface area? I also read that by switching the poles at intervals, the probes become self cleaning. What kind of interval should one use? Every 5 minutes? 3) I know this is a CS list but do people know and/or discuss other colloids eg Gold, Copper and Zinc as there appears to be a lot less information on these. (If so what doses to people recommend of these and can I make my own generator to create these as well and if so what changes are needed?) 4) Anybody had experience of giving CS to horses. Have a horse with sweet itch (an affliction which is not really understood but is considered to be due to an allergic reaction or over reaction to Midge bites) and I was considering if CS would be good (or Gold, Zinc, or Copper If I knew more about them). Many thanks Peter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 11/12/2006 16:32 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMany questions from a new member!
Never heard of him, nor am I surprised about the views of Greeks on CS and many other topics as well. Perhaps guru Vithoukas needs to be educated in CS first. Peter -Original Message- From: gmetrop...@aol.com [mailto:gmetrop...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMany questions from a new member! Go Greeks! Relatives in Greece think consuming silver is insane. Do you know anything about George Vithoukas who is the guru of homeopathy? In Athens any contact numers to his clinics? I'd like to give the referral to relatives there.
RE: CSEye cataracts options ?
Carlos, The subject of cataracts and a possible treatment to avoid surgery came up on a different website and I was directed to look into N-Acetylcarnosine. Search under this heading and you will find a several offerors of eye-drops, along with their testimonials. Peter -Original Message- From: Carlos Pérez [mailto:explorer...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:19 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSEye cataracts options ? Hello, friends, I am very glad Mike and team have fixed the list problem. I have progressive eye cataracts that started around 10 years ago, when I got Ehrlichiosis. Even though they have evolved very slowly, maybe in great part due to a healthy life I try to live, I am approaching a point in which the normal recommendation would be surgery. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS[List Owner] Another list traffic question...
OK, here is my test. Is the list getting this post? Peter -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 5:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Another list traffic question... Hi gang, In the last couple of hours I've heard from a number of people who have only been receiving *my* messages and not those of any other member, even themselves, for at least the last 2 days. Here's my question: Is there anybody who's gotten most or all of the messages that have gone out over the list in the last 2 days? To refresh your memory: Dec 11 ... one has come through for tomorrow, so far grin Dec 10 ... at least 10 so far, including this one Dec 9 ... 9 posts Dec 8 ... 14 posts Dec 7 ... 24 posts Please reply to me at mdev...@eskimo.com and, if you don't hear back from me within 24 hours, send a message to mdev...@yahoo.com ... Thank you, Mike D. silver list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSilver Puppy generator
Allow me to add my 2 cents on t his. Overt the past two months that I have participated on this forum, the information that I have received has been approximately as follows: 99% toward my building my own CS generator. 1% advertisement toward my purchasing a ready-made generator. I certainly appreciate the willingness of these product vendors to share their information, particularly when such information reduces the chance that they will sell me a unit. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFwd: [Beck-n-stuff] Silver Info
Reading the article that Meso provides on their website, and trusting it, would cause everyone to dump their colloidal silver generators and other paraphernalia into the garbage can and forget about this topic entirely. Out of necessity, when getting information on the web, I have created a rule which says check if there is a money trail at the end of the article before reaching a conclusion. If an order now section exists, the article needs to be understood in the proper context. In most cases the vendor has to verbally destroy the competition, so his own product remains as the only solution. Rather frustrating. Peter -Original Message- From: V [mailto:vzo...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFwd: [Beck-n-stuff] Silver Info http://www.purestcolloids.com/ionic.htm http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#types http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/protein.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSEtheric Biology/CS
Carlos, This is an interesting article but, apart from the mention of colloidal silver, does not point to any specific path of action. Is there more elaborate discussion of this topic elsewhere? Peter Etheric biology. Martin WJ. Center for Complex Infectious Diseases, 3328 Stevens Avenue, Rosemead CA 91770, USA. s3supp...@email.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPuzzling Polarity
Will greatly appreciate a reference to that large silver plate, if you dig it up. That dimension eliminates all the work that multiple winds of wire would require, if a person was trying to increase silver electrode exposure. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Re: CSBudwig diet revision
Jim, Excuse me for jumping in again, when I said that I would not comment on this subject anymore, but already we have questionable information being offered here. Dr. Budwig did not use yogurt in her formula. You would be best served if you go to the authentic forum first, read her books yourself, talk to people who have and are using this protocol successfully, before following a variety of private interpretations, opinions, adaptations, and alterations. A word to the wise, before you find yourself being sold products and services that should not be sold on such a forum. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPuzzling Polarity
Julius, This question is to you, and anyone who knows the correct answer. In your post, you state . .. Sheet electrodes are greatly superior to wire as far as we are concerned because of the greatly enhanced area we believe that this produces a greater proportion of ICS.We have seen medical reports that ICS is much more deadly to pathogenic organisms than the de-ionized CS. 700 + organisms at last count Others have posted that wire is superior, because sheet stock causes buildup of silver oxide at the sharp edges. Also, I note that most of the commercially available CS generators, except the silver-gen, are constructed with wire electrodes. A vendor of an engineered CS generator argues that sheet stock is the cheap way out that his competition has chosen. You see that there is much contradiction and confusion here. Would someone who knows the facts please state them in a definitive way so that all of us newbies can construct a good generator? Which is really best? Sheet or Wire Peter
RE: CSRe: blood/brain barrier, parietal lobe tumor was Re: CSRe: Re: CSpups
Alright, Marshall. Since you ask that I elaborate, I will. I have been following the Budwig Protocol since October of 2005, in a desperate attempt to save my dog from cancer. I still participate on their forum at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FlaxSeedOil2/ This forum is specifically set up to deal with the Budwig protocol and is guided extremely well by moderators, some of whom are cancer patients in remission, all of whom have studied all the materials produced by Dr. Budwig. Their files contain testimonials, recipes, availability of books, responses to questions such as counter-productive protocols, availability of foods, materials, etc. I steer interested seekers to it, rather than attempt to provide an answer myself, being less knowledgeable than others. They cannot overemphasize on that forum that one must strictly adhere to the Budwig protocol, without modifications that seem good to this or that individual. (If that is the protocol that they have chosen to follow). While other protocols may not directly cause harm, they can negate the effects of the Budwig regimen. It is a mistake to start with private opinions of individuals, no matter how scientifically worded they may be, on a forum other than the one which specializes on a particular subject. It is like claiming to be studying the Bible by starting out with the DaVinci Code. There are individuals lurking on several health related forums, seeking opportunities to act as consultants and providers of services and products. The Flaxseed oil forum prohibits such mercenary practices. Last year I was approached by one such individual, who has been banned from that site. That individual is here, now. Without mentioning a name I ring the bell of caution. I cannot add anything else that is constructive. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: blood/brain barrier, parietal lobe tumor was Re: CSRe: Re: CSpups
But in what ratio would you mix CS with DMSO? Peter A primary purpose of the current is to form the ionic and colloidal silver. Whether it has the additional benefit that it promotes the absorption and distribution of the silver, I cannot say, but I suspect that it does. However I believe that one can probably come pretty close to matching or maybe even passing the absorption and distribution of using a current by simply mixing the CS with DMSO, which many on this list do. Marshall -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPuzzling Polarity
Marshall, Where do you buy sheet stock that is 4 x 8? Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: blood/brain barrier, parietal lobe tumor was Re: CSRe: Re: CSpups
Sol, I am not a cancer patient and don't want to introduce an off-topic subject on this forum. But if a person is suffering from cancer it is good to look at all possible alternatives, and also to be aware that mixing different protocols can be, and is often counter productive. I became deeply involved with this last year in a desperate attempt to save my dog whom I dearly loved. It essentially has to do with eating correctly, getting lots of sun and taking flaxseed oil in a certain formula. Now studies are coming out of Universities and research centers confirming bits and pieces of her protocol, without putting it all together, as she did 50 years ago. It does seem too simple to work, though Dr. Budwig explains it in terms of biochemistry and quantum physics. Testimonials come from doctors and clinics in Germany, and from many people on a different forum who are cancer patients in remission. I follow it because it is a healthy regimen and as a preventive. My urologist recently agreed that flaxseed oil definitely contributes toward prostate health but would not accept that it has curing properties. I am now also drinking a pint of CS a day, as a preventive, instead of vaccinations and medications. I have used it successfully to totally eliminate athlete's foot in about three days. I also used it, along with D-Mannose, to completely get rid of a painful urinary infection. Now I keep a pint at work and take a snort every so often throughout the day. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CStechnical question
Dan, Thanks for this great reference. That, and what I got from Ken and others puts me on the road to producing a good generator, although the one I am using now seems to do a fairly good job, as long as I watch the brewing time and clean the electrodes often. Peter Peter, I have attached a post below that explains everything pretty well. (Thanks Jason) Go to www.Mouser.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: blood/brain barrier, parietal lobe tumor was Re: CSRe: Re: CSpups
A question comes to mind when I read your statement that CS causes cancerous cells to de-differentiate, and return to stem cells. Are you certain that this takes place without the use of current? Simply by drinking CS? Whatever I read about Dr. Becker's research states that this takes place only under the application of precise voltage, depending on the type of wound, but I do not recall any mention of cancer cells de-differentiating by the use of ingested CS. If I missed it please point it out to me. Peter Reference: But it doesn't matter, silver causes cells that are injured or misbehaving to revert back to stem cells, and then redifferentiate back to the proper cell types. This I believe is what when CS gets rid of cancer often the tumor does not die, it simply changes back to what it suppose to be (just like warts do). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSUnidentified subject!
Ken, I, for one, certainly appreciate your knowledgeable comments, such as the one on ASAP solution and the patent claims. As you know, newbies come on this forum and into this discipline every day and are easily snowed by high-sounding techno-babble, as we try to educate ourselves on this subject. I appreciate and admire your totally unselfish quality, in that you give of your knowledge freely even though it helps someone to make his/her own generator, rather than buying one from you. Peter American Biotech is pretty much infamous for double talk and misleading ad copy. ASAP Solution is good silver water, but not better or significantly different than what you can make yourself. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: FW: SOBudwig protocol for cancer, Re: CSRe: blood/brain barrier, parietal lobe tumor was Re:
Sol, In answer to your question about a cottage cheese substitute let me offer my final comments on this topic. If additional information is needed, please contact me in private. stel...@foxinternet.com 1. You can use quark, which is sold in QFC stores in the Northwest, but I do not know where else. Additionally one can experiment with goat's milk, making quark out of goat-milk yogurt or out of kefir. There are recipes for making you own. 2. Those who are knowledgeable in the mentioned protocol say that when flax seed oil is properly mixed with sulfurated protein (cottage cheese or quark) even people who are lactose intolerant seem to do fine because it is a new compound that acts differently on the system. 3. The protocol is not just flaxseed oil and protein. It is a whole regimen of food intake and food avoidance that cannot be properly discussed here. One must read the books available. 4. Interested parties should contact www/health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FlaxSeedOil2/ and speak with the experts. Discussion on the CS forum is not producing information that will be useful to a patient in need. In fact, quite the contrary. The CS forum offers expertise in CS, and the one above offers expertise in the Budwig protocol. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScs generator questions
Kathryn, If I understand you correctly, a 90 ohm potentiometer hooked up in series would allow me to vary the resistance from 0 to 90 ohms. Is that correct? Or is that kiloOhms? Peter Dear Peter, It says 150 on it, but it is 2 x 75 ohm units on top of each other. When I check it with my multimeter, it says 90 ohms each, so it is actually 180 ohms, not 150. However, I buy my parts at a surplus store, so they might not be the top of the line. I have it hooked up to only one part, so it would be a 90 ohm potentiometer (variable resistor). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: blood/brain barrier, parietal lobe tumor was Re: CSRe: Re: CSpups
Marshall, I agree with you wholeheartedly that chemotherapy is a killer of the immune system. However, some alternative protocols have been shown to be counter-active to each other, but I am not going to elaborate on this forum. The information presented here is extremely valuable and interesting in itself, so I want to learn as much about CS as I can. Those who are genuinely interested in different protocols will find them and study them on their own initiative, in fact, they cannot be stopped from doing so. From my own study of some of these topics I am left with the conviction that cleansing the system from years and years of junk eating, then replacing the junk with healthful foods that are devoid of chemicals, over-processing, genetic modification, hormones, and the like, eating in moderation and exercising will give a person the best chance of staying healthy. The use of CS certainly is a factor toward good health. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: blood/brain barrier, parietal lobe tumor was Re: CSRe: Re: CSpups
Your answer makes sense. It did not occur to me that the current was merely to cause CS to be formed at the site. I thought that it served in the absorption and allocation of the CS, once it was formed. Thanks for the clarification. I need to read the body electric to get an in-depth understanding. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CStechnical question
Thanks Dan, That is the information that I am seeking and we are almost there. The output from my transformer is now at 0.400 amps. I will go for the current regulating diode that you mention, so what value diode must I buy? Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CStechnical question
You are right, my transformer is putting out 0.400 amps not milliamps. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CStechnical question
My power supply generates 30 volts DC at 0.400 milliamps. If I were to substantially increase the surface area of the electrodes, would that alone serve to decrease the current between the then available electrode area?? Peter
RE: CStechnical question
Dan, Thanks for that response. What I am about to construct is the following experimental generator. The cathode will be a piece of stainless steel tubing that will sit on a nylon base inside the glass container. This base will center the tube in the glass jar and support it at three points, in an elevated position so that water can circulate under it. The glass jar will sit on the inverted can/night light heater described elsewhere. Thus the heated water in the center will flow up the immersed s/s tube and flow over it, flowing downward against the colder glass surface. At a distance of about 1.5 away from the inside or outside surface of the s/s tube, I will position four, long, U-shaped 12 gauge silver electrodes, at positions 12, 3, 6, and 9 o'clock with respect to the circumference of the s/s tube as viewed from the top. This will provide a lot of silver surface for the anode and a lot of s/s surface for the cathode. From here I need some help from the experts on how to select diodes, resistors, etc, and how to mount them in the circuitry to provide regulated current at the suggested 0.002 amps. Ken suggested a 20KOhm resistor, but did not mention the watt rating. I am assuming that the watt rating of the resistor is the peak wattage that the dc generator can put out, i.e 12 watts for a 30 vdc and 0.400 amp output. In this case I can find a 50 watt, 20K Ohm resistor for my application. Does it make any difference how the resistor is hooked up, meaning which side the power enters and which side it exits? I am sure that it makes a difference in diodes. Amazingly, no one at the electronics supply store that I visited knew anything about circuitry. Real professionals! Peter
RE: CScs generator questions
Kathryn, What is the rating of your variable resistor? If I can have that description I can search to find one. Thank you Peter -Original Message- There are no stupid questions. A Voltmeter reads volts, but a multimeter is so much more useful. The batteries last a long time. I don't know how long. I have not run out yet. So if you get a multimeter you can keep track of many parameters of this process, which I like to do. Mine cost about 30 dollars, and can measure Volts, Ohms, and Amperes, among other things. You would want one that can measure amps down to a few milliamps, so you can check your current strength. If you have fun with this, you can get a variable resistor (mine was cheap, under a dollar, I forget how much) in the correct range, and can set it to keep the current under a set level, which you can measure with the multimeter gadget. It just gets attached in series with the wires with the clips on the ends, and if you have the meter hooked up in series also, you can read what is going on. It is really fun. Kathryn Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSLED therapy
I am not V, but have spent considerable time on another site which follows the Johanna Budwig Protocol. Dr. Budwig was a 7 times Nobel Prize nominee and cured hundreds of patients with a 95% success rate. There are testimonies in books, written by established clinics and doctors who agreed that her formula did, in fact, cure the patients. If you are interested go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FlaxSeedOil2/ and you can follow that thread as far as you want to. Peter -Original Message- From: G K Murray [mailto:kg...@sasktel.net] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLED therapy Hi V, I hear you are the person to talk with about LED lights. My cousin has an LED belt which che used for a couple of years over her abdomen-liver area. She found out in June that she has pancreatic cancer. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRabid Skunk attacks puppies
I, too, would like to know if CS can be effective against rabies, as a precautionary treatment as well as therapeutic. As a dog lover I am very distressed to hear this story about the skunk and the puppies. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPuzzled!
Thanks Ode, I will try this one. Peter -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSPuzzled! To my recent surprize, putting a 20K ohm resistor in series with one electrode with 36 volts DC, 1 1/2 electrode spacing / 6 x #12 wire electrodes.does a pretty decent job. It's not absolute current control but it doesn't go too far over ideal at 20 PPM and under and doesn't slow things down , time wise, a whole lot either. ode One more question. Is there a simple way that I can control the current in my generator, without going to an engineered circuit board with a variety of components? Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
CSPuzzled!
I just received a bottle of CS from Meso silver (Colloids for life LLC), which is supposed to be 20 PPM, and 80% particles versus 20% ions. It has a light yellow-green hue, resembling the water that you get after boiling mustard greens. When tested with a Hanna PWT meter and a laser pen, it gave the following results: 1. PPM = 8.1 2. Tyndal effect = Very strong The CS that I have been producing measures up to 15 PPM, is clear, and has virtually no Tyndall effect. I have read that a good batch is supposed to be clear, but Meso's is colored, but without visible particles. Meso was rated as the top quality CS in a table which gave detailed comparison of the products of several vendors who sent it their samples for evaluation. Can anyone help me understand what is going on? How can I be measuring 15 PPM for my product and 8.1 PPM for Meso's. How can I have clear water at 15 PPM and Meso a colored water at 8.1 PPM? I must be missing something here. Peter P.S. In previous correspondence I mentioned using a PPM meter, when I really meant the Hannah PWT meter that I got from Silver-Gen.
RE: CSPuzzled!
Carol Ann, I don't think that your response answers the question that I posed in my message. I don't understand what you are telling me. Are you just adding your confusion to mine, in search of an answer? Peter -Original Message- From: Carol Ann [mailto:saffiresk...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPuzzled! Today I bought a bottle of Natural Path Silver Wings which and the bottle says 250 pmm per teaspoon. TDS meter measured 120. It has a strong Tyndall, is the color of dark Tea with only the slightest metalic taste.. If I doubled the TDS reading I would get 240 pmm. Peter M. Stellas stel...@foxinternet.net wrote: I just received a bottle of CS from Meso silver (Colloids for life LLC), which is supposed to be 20 PPM, and 80% particles versus 20% ions. It has a light yellow-green hue, resembling the water that you get after boiling mustard greens. When tested with a Hanna PWT meter and a laser pen, it gave the following results: 1. PPM = 8.1 2. Tyndal effect = Very strong The CS that I have been producing measures up to 15 PPM, is clear, and has virtually no Tyndall effect. I have read that a good batch is supposed to be clear, but Meso's is colored, but without visible particles. Meso was rated as the top quality CS in a table which gave detailed comparison of the products of several vendors who sent it their samples for evaluation. Can anyone help me understand what is going on? How can I be measuring 15 PPM for my product and 8.1 PPM for Meso's. How can I have clear water at 15 PPM and Meso a colored water at 8.1 PPM? I must be missing something here. Peter P.S. In previous correspondence I mentioned using a PPM meter, when I really meant the Hannah PWT meter that I got from Silver-Gen. Regards, Carol Ann~ 2000-08 Ends the Reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. _ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=41244/*http:/smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index Small Business.
RE: CSPuzzled!
Thank you, Ronald and Susan for your promotion, but how does it answer my question??? Peter -Original Message- From: Ronald ( Susan) [mailto:the...@hartamerica.com] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:44 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPuzzled! If one is going to buy pre-made CS then I would reccomend the product we fonud so good over time that we becam e distributors of it. --http://www.HartAmerica.com Colorless- no taste and the only silver product patented in the last about 80 years. Several strengths and nano-particle sized. Even on contract with the US Fedral government. We get it directly from the company at: http://www.americanbiotechlabs.com/ Peter M. Stellas wrote: I just received a bottle of CS from Meso silver (Colloids for life LLC), which is supposed to be 20 PPM, and 80% particles versus 20% ions. It has a light yellow-green hue, resembling the water that you get after boiling mustard greens. When tested with a Hanna PWT meter and a laser pen, it gave the following results: 1. PPM = 8.1 2. Tyndal effect = Very strong The CS that I have been producing measures up to 15 PPM, is clear, and has virtually no Tyndall effect. I have read that a good batch is supposed to be clear, but Meso's is colored, but without visible particles. Meso was rated as the top quality CS in a table which gave detailed comparison of the products of several vendors who sent it their samples for evaluation. Can anyone help me understand what is going on? How can I be measuring 15 PPM for my product and 8.1 PPM for Meso's. How can I have clear water at 15 PPM and Meso a colored water at 8.1 PPM? I must be missing something here. Peter P.S. In previous correspondence I mentioned using a PPM meter, when I really meant the Hannah PWT meter that I got from Silver-Gen. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPuzzled!
Steve, Thanks for that answer, the only one that responded to my question in a useful way. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPuzzled!
Hi Sol, I thank you, as well as the others, who gave a meaningful answer to my question. Apparently the Samsung Company agrees that ionic silver does the job of killing bacteria, because they have produced a clothes washer that offers ionic silver sanitization in cold water, and I do have a high regard for the quality of Samsung engineering. So I will continue to produce a higher PPM solution, as long as I don't get a color shift and solid precipitates in it. Knowledge that is presented in a well structured form, such as yours, is an invaluable tool to novices such as me. One more question. Is there a simple way that I can control the current in my generator, without going to an engineered circuit board with a variety of components? Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSClear, clear water and a question
Thanks for this detailed response. Regarding the hook-up of the multi-tester to measure current, I understand what needs to be done. But the use of the voltmeter to measure conductivity seems a bit complex and beyond the time slot that I have, so I will not try that, but I appreciate the explanation. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPPM Meter ?
Greetings Wayne, The equation would logically appear to be the most accurate way to determine PPM, but since we are not calculating thrust, escape velocity and such, and since I do hold down a full-time job, the PPM meter gives a fairly good idea of the quality of the CS mixture. Because I do not have controlled current I just let the process go until I have attained between 10 and 13 PPM then stop it. My concern is particle size and the brew that I made yesterday was around 11 PPM and had a very weak Tyndall effect, was clear with few sparklies, so I think that I got a good result. Now I will just experiment with different generator configurations and eventually will probably buy one of the ready made units that are offered on the market. Before starting the brew I did measure the PPM of the DW and it was about 2.5 or so. I will see if I can get it elsewhere to find better purity, but I have my doubts. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSClear, clear water and a question
How would you use the voltmeter to monitor conductivity? I would like to
know such a process. Also, can you tell me how to hook up the ammeter in the
system so that I can monitor current? Thanks
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:24 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSClear, clear water and a question
You can't really use time alone to predict PPM.
Only slightly purer water can make a really big difference to get to the
same stopping point
Best bet is to get a conductivity meter
Next best , a PPM/TDS meter
Or even just an volt meter [multi meter ]
Some way to tell where you are in the process.
ode
At 11:03 AM 11/9/2006 -0400, you wrote:
My respected and beloved C S Forum Friends!
After four years of happily and a bit proudly making my own Colloidal
Silver at home, and thriving by it for our health, giving it or selling it
to clients and friends, truth came up a few days ago:
The water I have been using (Spa water) was okay, but not the best in the
world. The result was always a grayish mist, and it tasted strongly. Yet,
I only rejected it if there would be a yellowish cloud on the bottom of
the glass I make my water in. Then, I would use it for external things
like plants, animals and wounds. For the remainder cleanliness has been
our lead since day one.
Now, an importer imported le Bleu ('the Blue' not that movie). It is
absolutely clean (distilled) water, for drinking purposes. A
friend-in-healthcare alerted me to it. Of late he is preparing his CS with
this water, always being in search for the best. He told me that le Bleu
is the best quality of water on our (limited island) market. Clean, and my
C S water would come out transparent as any crystal cup.
So I gave it a try the old way:
Two silver rods in the water, three batteries, ½ hour of processing,
presto!
This CS had hardly any taste, and I wondered. So I did my next batch
doubling the time, and it tasted a bit stronger, but by far not as strong
as the CS I had been making with Spa (although that always had splendid
results).
My old product would have a visible reaction: pouring grayish material
from the anode, and little bubbles from the cathode. The result would be a
grayish CS.
My newly made CS is absolutely clear. The cathode shows hardly any
reaction, nor does the anode. The taste is there, but is it okay?
Resuming:
1 My new water is less metallic in taste
2 It is absolutely transparent
3 I have to double the time (2 x ½ hours).
Question: Is it that the PPM is even finer with cleaner water?
Does that indicate that the nano particles are more easily
absorbed?
Is my cherished home-done product as good as I would want
it to
be?
Thank you for your attention,
As always: Faith with his turtle
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RE: CSHow much EIS to purify drinking water?
Thanks for that information. I bought a PPM tester that I use to determine at what point I want to stop the process, and that seems to work rather well. I will also use the equation to cross check the PPM tester. Peter / -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHow much EIS to purify drinking water?
Carlos, I am new to this group and have been following your discussion with other members. Would you please tell me what process you used to determine that your CS is indeed 14PPM? Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScomposition of electrodes
Hi folks, I have been reading that one of the electrodes can be a metal other than silver, however I am concerned that any metal other than stainless steel might contribute undesirable contamination to the CS brew. On the other hand, stainless steel is not the best electrical conductor, so I welcome some comments on this. One more question. What if the cathode is a strip of stainless steel and the anode opposite this plate consists of several rods of silver wire, appropriately spaced to equal the width of the stainless steel strip? Peter
CScomposition of electrodes
Hi folks, I have been reading that one of the electrodes can be a metal other than silver, however I am concerned that any metal other than stainless steel might contribute undesirable contamination to the CS brew. On the other hand, stainless steel is not the best electrical conductor, so I welcome some comments on this. One more question. What if the cathode is a strip of stainless steel and the anode opposite this plate consists of several rods of silver wire, appropriately spaced to equal the width of the stainless steel strip? Peter
RE: CSThree 9's or Five 12's ( or ONE 52 Volt Source )
Thanks for all that information Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNew to group
Mark, Thank you for your response and information. I agree that this would be a good idea for a back up but do you know where I can get a transformer that will generate the correct DC voltage and current in order to make a plug-in type? Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSThree 9's or Five 12's ( or ONE 52 Volt Source )
Wayne, Your comments are most interesting and helpful. I am fairly handy with basic mechanics and electrical theory. But I do need guidance in the assembly of components that are compatible with each other in order to get a generator that outputs 30 - 75 vDC at 1mA to30mA.The reason for these ranges is that I want to experiment with: Different voltages and intensities Different spacing between electrodes Double or quadruple passes per electrode, the way that broiler elements are constructed. Brewing time In other words, I need the help of someone who can tell me the specifications of the various components needed, and how they are interconnected (series, parallel) Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSThree 9's or Five 12's ( or ONE 52 Volt Source )
Thanks, V! That was a quick and helpful response. I do want to make good CS, not build electronics. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSGreat Power Supply
Actually no, Wayne! Although I love tinkering and building, (mostly mechanical), I am in a hurry to get started with a good CS generator so that I can use it myself and help others who need the CS solution for their health. There are many out there who are groping, as I am, to find answers, who are at the mercy of promoters who are after the big buck. So this bit of information from V was invaluable, as it brings me quickly to the desired results. Rather than pay $200.00 to a promoter on the internet, for claims that I have not substantiated, I will gladly pay for this unit and experiment to find the right combinations for generating different quantities of CS, and go forward. Whatever I learn I will gladly share with others. Then I can return to my other tinkering that is in progress. Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNew to group
Thank you for this input. It appears that it is much more difficult for me to assemble all those components, hoping not to make mistakes along the way, while I am also working full time, so I will probably end up buying one that is already engineered with the best features. Peter -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew to group A home made one can be work fine. You will need a constant current source, set for about 1 mA per square inch of anode, a stirer, a control circuit to measure the voltage and shut down when it drops to a specific point, and a control to reverse the current flow about every minute. You might find that purchasing these parts necessary off the shelf independently may cost more than $200. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNew to group
I have gathered all the parts necessary to make the Lightwatcher's CS3 generator but have also been reading from the SilverGen and other manufacturers' websites. Since I am naturally cautious of anyone who is promoting a product or service for gain, I am approaching this group for comments. Is the CS3 really adequate for producing truly small silver particles or does the current-stabilized, commercially produced version have a vast advantage? I don't mind spending $200.00 or more for a generator that will give me truly high quality CS, but don't want to be foolishly throwing away money if the home made one can also do the required job. Please guide me to some reliable information on this. Thank you, Peter
CSNewcomer
Hi all, I am brand new to this forum and joined because I have heard colloidal silver mentioned on another group in which I also participate. Would someone please give me an introductory rundown on: What colloidal silver is. Where it is found or how it is produced Its uses for health benefits. Any supportive data for its usefulness in curing ailments Thank you, Peter
