Re: CS>TDS meter

[Ode Coyote]

Can't be done with a meter.

 To quote Frank Key, "You are spinning your wheels"
You can 'guess' at it, factor in some vague variables and find the
ballparks parking lot.
To find home base you listen for the cheering crowd and you still don't
know which team is up at bat till you get there.

Even a half million dollar AA Spectrophotometer averages 3 runs of a sample
and may STILL be way off.

 Nice part is, you get to use an 'X'  megaton nuke to vaporize the entire
ballpark and the whole section of the city it's in, all without hurting the
crowd or the teams, without leaving a cater, or even scorching any cars or
the grass on the infield.
 How many megatons is irrelevant.
 If one didn't do it, use 20 or 50...the difference only being how much
water went with it. [and the water, itself, is more dangerous than the
silver that's in it ]


Ode

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 4:17 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:

> Thank you.  I am just looking for a way to measure the strength (ppm) of
> the EIS that I make.
> PT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 06:00:54 PM EST, Phil Morrison <
> philmorrison...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> There are many meters and ways to measure water conductivity.  Once you
> have a reading with one meter, that reading is easily converted to reading
> in any other measurement system.
>
> https://www.lenntech.com/calculators/conductivity/tds_engels.htm
>
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Re: CS>TDS meter

[Ode Coyote]

I have abandoned using meters as a measure of anything over around 10 uS
and gone to using the Faraday equation as a predictor.
 With 1 milliamp on the electrodes, [achieved at around 6 uS] running a
quart sized batch...just figure 2 PPM per hour after conductivity related
auto shutdown.

Even this is an averaging of meter reading uS over time plots which run
pretty much linear up to 30 uS and then start to slew low as
supersaturation triggers significant realtime unreadable silver content
formation...and Faraday equation prediction which only says how much silver
leaves the electrodes, but not what happens to it afterwards.

The "Silver 7"  [with switches on top] was set to shut down at 20
uS...according to a meter...with the vagaries of meters and electronic
components at +/- 1% accuracy stacking up and including  temperature
variations affecting both readings *and* readable silver content...so may
be 15 to 18 uS [but 'who knows' how much actual PPM total silver ]

But also based upon AA Spectrophotometer readings by Frank Keys Colloidal
Science Laboratory where there was a very close match between my reading of
12 uS to his results of 12 PPM total silver. [within a decimal]

Other labs [such as the NC State Water Lab which does nothing BUT test
water]  NOT specializing in ionic/colloid mixes specifically of silver,
returned as high as 50 PPM which were WAY off base.

 It's all about making an "Eddicated Guess" which is maybe 5 steps beyond a
wild guess...and better than trying to count how many Sasquatch there are
in a nature preserve by listening to tree knocking.

With the  'real world' [sometimes called reality] where too much is highly
unlikely to be a problem and no one ever  knows how much is too little
until it doesn't do the job...and absorption/delivery to any given place is
a total unknowable in any given situation... an eddicated guess with a
random multiplier gets the job done.
...and overkill?  It doesn't take a backhoe to clean up.
If a garden hose will wash the driveway clean, no problem using a pressure
washer either.It's only just [silver] water and the  [Multi-celled
organism] fence next to the driveway is safe.

You flush the grime down the drain till the water runs clear...right?

ode

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 9:49 AM PT Ferrance  wrote:

> Thanks Ode this is already over my head.  Is there really any reason then
> to get one of these meters?  Would it just be better for me to use manual
> swap after the auto swap shuts off on my silverpuppy?
> PT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 08:19:37 AM EST, Ode Coyote <
> silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> You'll get to the parking lot of the ball park at 10, but nothing over 30
> means anything at all.
>
> The problem with using meters on solutions with limited solubility.
> [ESPECIALLY "PPM" meters set up to measure salt water which is very highly
> soluble]
> The ionic portion of CS has very limited solubility and some portion will
> convert into an un-measureable colloid depending on variable environmental
> conditions.
>  The Silver is still in the water, but a meter won't detect it.
> The instant power is off, conductivity starts dropping.
> The stronger you made the solution, the more it will drop...by around 40%
> Each time you bump it back up, it will drop by about 1/2 as much as the
> previous time, but anything over 30 uS will drop back to 30 uS over time.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:
> > Thanks Ode.  I just want to know if I am making 10ppm or 50ppm EIS.
> Will the conductivity meter you mentioned do that?  If not I guess I will
> just have to keep 'winging' it!
> >
> > Just for general information.  I purchased the TDS meter on amazon.
> When I contacted them about it being defective they refunded me my purchase
> price and told me to trash the meter.
> > PT
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, November 2, 2020, 08:05:55 AM EST, Ode Coyote <
> silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It should have been calibrated at the factory...calibration can be
> pretty tricky and  requires a calibration fluid
> > Send it back...it's defective.
> >  For EIS, get a conductivity meterTDS meters, in general,  'suck'
> [made for salt water..silver isn't salt]
> > HM Digital  EC-3 is a decent meter... their COM-100 is more interesting
> including conductivity and scales for 3 different types of salt solutions
> > THEY ALL don't do what you may think or want them to do in EIS.. a very
> dynamic and ever changing substance.
> >  Not COMPLETELY useless, but not far from it.
> >
> > Ode
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM PT Ferrance 
> wrote:
> >> My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with
> no directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not
> been dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
> >> Would someone point me in the right direction?
> >> I've searched but have not found 

RE: CS>TDS meter

[abeland1]

Phil, 
The fact that you got the reading you did without putting it into water of any 
kind indicates that the unit is faulty. If it's not in water, it should read 
zero. Did you go to the link that I suggested?
https://theartofmakingcolloidalsilver.com/measure-it/

I have tried my best on that page to impart apologize can on the subject of the 
measurement of the PPM of the ionic portion of colloidal silver. Better called 
EIS. If I can improve the page, please tell me how.
Arnold

-Original Message-
From: PT Ferrance  
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:40 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>TDS meter

Wow!  Are all your posts this inaccurate and critical? I've never heard of you 
before yet you tell me my thinking is flawed?
Didn't anyone every teach you manners???
And don't think you can send me another personal email because I just blocked 
you!
PT








On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 04:32:15 PM EST, Ed  wrote: 






PT:  There is no meter available to measure CS strength.  All you learn from a 
TDS meter is that you have something.   You should have tested your good meter 
in a sample of distilled water, reading would be 0-1 when you actually do the 
test.  Its seems you looked at the reading when turning on your meter, and not 
with a substance in between the test points.  Try testing the distilled water 
before saying you have a bad meter please.  Your reports on Rife devices have 
this same flaw in thinking- and your report they have a problem when in essence 
they don't.  To make sure you understand, you need to send your product to a 
lab that does measure the strength of what you call EIS, most of us keep it 
simple and call it CS.  This testing is very expensive.  Your ppm test only 
tells you that you have something, but has nothing to do with quality or 
quantity of CS

On 11/4/2020 1:17 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:


>  
> Thank you.  I am just looking for a way to measure the strength (ppm) of the 
> EIS that I make.
> PT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 06:00:54 PM EST, Phil Morrison 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There are many meters and ways to measure water conductivity.  Once you have 
> a reading with one meter, that reading is easily converted to reading in any 
> other measurement system.
> 
> https://www.lenntech.com/calculators/conductivity/tds_engels.htm
> 
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Re: CS>TDS meter

[PT Ferrance]

Wow!  Are all your posts this inaccurate and critical?  
I've never heard of you before yet you tell me my thinking is flawed?
Didn't anyone every teach you manners???
And don't think you can send me another personal email because I just blocked 
you!
PT








On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 04:32:15 PM EST, Ed  wrote: 






PT:  There is no meter available to measure CS strength.  All you learn from a 
TDS meter is that you have something.   You should have tested your good meter 
in a sample of distilled water, reading would be 0-1 when you actually do the 
test.  Its seems you looked at the reading when turning on your meter, and not 
with a substance in between the test points.  Try testing the distilled water 
before saying you have a bad meter please.  Your reports on Rife devices have 
this same flaw in thinking- and your report they have a problem when in essence 
they don't.  To make sure you understand, you need to send your product to a 
lab that does measure the strength of what you call EIS, most of us keep it 
simple and call it CS.  This testing is very expensive.  Your ppm test only 
tells you that you have something, but has nothing to do with quality or 
quantity of CS

On 11/4/2020 1:17 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:


>  
> Thank you.  I am just looking for a way to measure the strength (ppm) of the 
> EIS that I make.
> PT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 06:00:54 PM EST, Phil Morrison 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There are many meters and ways to measure water conductivity.  Once you have 
> a reading with one meter, that reading is easily converted to reading in any 
> other measurement system.
> 
> https://www.lenntech.com/calculators/conductivity/tds_engels.htm
> 
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Re: CS>TDS meter

[Ed]

  
  
PT:  There is no meter available to measure CS strength.  All you
  learn from a TDS meter is that you have something.   You should
  have tested your good meter in a sample of distilled water,
  reading would be 0-1 when you actually do the test.  Its seems you
  looked at the reading when turning on your meter, and not with a
  substance in between the test points.  Try testing the distilled
  water before saying you have a bad meter please.  Your reports on
  Rife devices have this same flaw in thinking- and your report they
  have a problem when in essence they don't.  To make sure you
  understand, you need to send your product to a lab that does
  measure the strength of what you call EIS, most of us keep it
  simple and call it CS.  This testing is very expensive.  Your ppm
  test only tells you that you have something, but has nothing to do
  with quality or quantity of CS
On 11/4/2020 1:17 PM, PT Ferrance
  wrote:


  Thank you.  I am just looking for a way to measure the strength (ppm) of the EIS that I make.
PT








On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 06:00:54 PM EST, Phil Morrison  wrote: 






There are many meters and ways to measure water conductivity.  Once you have a reading with one meter, that reading is easily converted to reading in any other measurement system.

https://www.lenntech.com/calculators/conductivity/tds_engels.htm


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Re: CS>TDS meter

[PT Ferrance]

Thank you.  I am just looking for a way to measure the strength (ppm) of the 
EIS that I make.
PT








On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 06:00:54 PM EST, Phil Morrison 
 wrote: 






There are many meters and ways to measure water conductivity.  Once you have a 
reading with one meter, that reading is easily converted to reading in any 
other measurement system.

https://www.lenntech.com/calculators/conductivity/tds_engels.htm


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Re: CS>TDS meter

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks Ode this is already over my head.  Is there really any reason then to 
get one of these meters?  Would it just be better for me to use manual swap 
after the auto swap shuts off on my silverpuppy?
PT








On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 08:19:37 AM EST, Ode Coyote 
 wrote: 





You'll get to the parking lot of the ball park at 10, but nothing over 30 means 
anything at all.

The problem with using meters on solutions with limited solubility. [ESPECIALLY 
"PPM" meters set up to measure salt water which is very highly soluble]
The ionic portion of CS has very limited solubility and some portion will 
convert into an un-measureable colloid depending on variable environmental 
conditions.
 The Silver is still in the water, but a meter won't detect it.
The instant power is off, conductivity starts dropping.
The stronger you made the solution, the more it will drop...by around 40%
Each time you bump it back up, it will drop by about 1/2 as much as the 
previous time, but anything over 30 uS will drop back to 30 uS over time. 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:
> Thanks Ode.  I just want to know if I am making 10ppm or 50ppm EIS.  Will the 
> conductivity meter you mentioned do that?  If not I guess I will just have to 
> keep 'winging' it!
> 
> Just for general information.  I purchased the TDS meter on amazon.  When I 
> contacted them about it being defective they refunded me my purchase price 
> and told me to trash the meter.
> PT
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, November 2, 2020, 08:05:55 AM EST, Ode Coyote 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It should have been calibrated at the factory...calibration can be pretty 
> tricky and  requires a calibration fluid
> Send it back...it's defective.
>  For EIS, get a conductivity meterTDS meters, in general,  'suck' [made 
> for salt water..silver isn't salt]
> HM Digital  EC-3 is a decent meter... their COM-100 is more interesting 
> including conductivity and scales for 3 different types of salt solutions
> THEY ALL don't do what you may think or want them to do in EIS.. a very 
> dynamic and ever changing substance.
>  Not COMPLETELY useless, but not far from it.
> 
> Ode
> 
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:
>> My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no 
>> directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not 
>> been dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
>> Would someone point me in the right direction?  
>> I've searched but have not found good directions.
>> Thanks. 
>> PT
>> 
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Re: CS>TDS meter

[Ode Coyote]

You'll get to the parking lot of the ball park at 10, but nothing over 30
means anything at all.

The problem with using meters on solutions with limited solubility.
[ESPECIALLY "PPM" meters set up to measure salt water which is very highly
soluble]
The ionic portion of CS has very limited solubility and some portion will
convert into an un-measureable colloid depending on variable environmental
conditions.
 The Silver is still in the water, but a meter won't detect it.
The instant power is off, conductivity starts dropping.
The stronger you made the solution, the more it will drop...by around 40%
Each time you bump it back up, it will drop by about 1/2 as much as the
previous time, but anything over 30 uS will drop back to 30 uS over time.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:

> Thanks Ode.  I just want to know if I am making 10ppm or 50ppm EIS.  Will
> the conductivity meter you mentioned do that?  If not I guess I will just
> have to keep 'winging' it!
>
> Just for general information.  I purchased the TDS meter on amazon.  When
> I contacted them about it being defective they refunded me my purchase
> price and told me to trash the meter.
> PT
>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2020, 08:05:55 AM EST, Ode Coyote <
> silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> It should have been calibrated at the factory...calibration can be pretty
> tricky and  requires a calibration fluid
> Send it back...it's defective.
>  For EIS, get a conductivity meterTDS meters, in general,  'suck'
> [made for salt water..silver isn't salt]
> HM Digital  EC-3 is a decent meter... their COM-100 is more interesting
> including conductivity and scales for 3 different types of salt solutions
> THEY ALL don't do what you may think or want them to do in EIS.. a very
> dynamic and ever changing substance.
>  Not COMPLETELY useless, but not far from it.
>
> Ode
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:
> > My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no
> directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not
> been dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
> > Would someone point me in the right direction?
> > I've searched but have not found good directions.
> > Thanks.
> > PT
> >
> >
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CS>TDS meter

[Phil Morrison]

There are many meters and ways to measure water conductivity.  Once you
have a reading with one meter, that reading is easily converted to reading
in any other measurement system.

https://www.lenntech.com/calculators/conductivity/tds_engels.htm

Re: CS>TDS meter

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks Ode.  I just want to know if I am making 10ppm or 50ppm EIS.  Will the 
conductivity meter you mentioned do that?  If not I guess I will just have to 
keep 'winging' it!

Just for general information.  I purchased the TDS meter on amazon.  When I 
contacted them about it being defective they refunded me my purchase price and 
told me to trash the meter.
PT

.






On Monday, November 2, 2020, 08:05:55 AM EST, Ode Coyote 
 wrote: 





It should have been calibrated at the factory...calibration can be pretty 
tricky and  requires a calibration fluid
Send it back...it's defective.
 For EIS, get a conductivity meterTDS meters, in general,  'suck' [made for 
salt water..silver isn't salt]
HM Digital  EC-3 is a decent meter... their COM-100 is more interesting 
including conductivity and scales for 3 different types of salt solutions
THEY ALL don't do what you may think or want them to do in EIS.. a very dynamic 
and ever changing substance.
 Not COMPLETELY useless, but not far from it.

Ode

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:
> My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no 
> directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not been 
> dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
> Would someone point me in the right direction?  
> I've searched but have not found good directions.
> Thanks. 
> PT
> 
> 
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Re: CS>TDS meter

[Deborah Gerard]

 Great thanks!
On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 08:11:47 AM EST, Ode Coyote 
 wrote:  
 
 Anywhere is fine.
Ode

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 7:06 PM Deborah Gerard  wrote:

 Ode does it matter where you buy it from? Amazon has them pretty cheap
On Monday, November 2, 2020, 08:05:52 AM EST, Ode Coyote 
 wrote:  
 
 It should have been calibrated at the factory...calibration can be pretty 
tricky and  requires a calibration fluid
Send it back...it's defective.
 For EIS, get a conductivity meterTDS meters, in general,  'suck' [made for 
salt water..silver isn't salt]
HM Digital  EC-3 is a decent meter... their COM-100 is more interesting 
including conductivity and scales for 3 different types of salt solutionsTHEY 
ALL don't do what you may think or want them to do in EIS.. a very dynamic and 
ever changing substance. Not COMPLETELY useless, but not far from it.
Ode

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:

My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no 
directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not been 
dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
Would someone point me in the right direction?  
I've searched but have not found good directions.
Thanks. 
PT


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Re: CS>TDS meter

[Ode Coyote]

Anywhere is fine.

Ode

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 7:06 PM Deborah Gerard  wrote:

> Ode does it matter where you buy it from? Amazon has them pretty cheap
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2020, 08:05:52 AM EST, Ode Coyote <
> silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It should have been calibrated at the factory...calibration can be pretty
> tricky and  requires a calibration fluid
> Send it back...it's defective.
>  For EIS, get a conductivity meterTDS meters, in general,  'suck'
> [made for salt water..silver isn't salt]
> HM Digital  EC-3 is a decent meter... their COM-100 is more interesting
> including conductivity and scales for 3 different types of salt solutions
> THEY ALL don't do what you may think or want them to do in EIS.. a very
> dynamic and ever changing substance.
>  Not COMPLETELY useless, but not far from it.
>
> Ode
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:
>
> My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no
> directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not
> been dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
> Would someone point me in the right direction?
> I've searched but have not found good directions.
> Thanks.
> PT
>
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Re: CS>TDS meter

[Deborah Gerard]

 Ode does it matter where you buy it from? Amazon has them pretty cheap
On Monday, November 2, 2020, 08:05:52 AM EST, Ode Coyote 
 wrote:  
 
 It should have been calibrated at the factory...calibration can be pretty 
tricky and  requires a calibration fluid
Send it back...it's defective.
 For EIS, get a conductivity meterTDS meters, in general,  'suck' [made for 
salt water..silver isn't salt]
HM Digital  EC-3 is a decent meter... their COM-100 is more interesting 
including conductivity and scales for 3 different types of salt solutionsTHEY 
ALL don't do what you may think or want them to do in EIS.. a very dynamic and 
ever changing substance. Not COMPLETELY useless, but not far from it.
Ode

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:

My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no 
directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not been 
dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
Would someone point me in the right direction?  
I've searched but have not found good directions.
Thanks. 
PT


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RE: CS>TDS meter

[abeland1]

May I suggest that you purchase an EC meter? They are still less than $20 from 
eBay. If you're lucky, you'll get one that will have reasonably accurate 
absolute measurements at 50 PPM, plus or -10%. Discounting the absolute 
measurements, it will give you an indication of what's happening from one batch 
to the next.
As far as the particle size is concerned, color or the lack of is the key. That 
can be subjective and is best observed with a white surround.
The TDS meter is calibrated for sodium atoms. The meters came about as 
something the Chinese can sell to people with saltwater aquariums. For quite a 
while, that was all that was available. We found that if we multiply the TDS 
reading by two, we can have a pretty close reading for silver ions. When the 
manufacturers caught on to what we were using them for, they made them so that 
they also had a button to read electrical conductivity in microsiemens. All 
they're doing is multiplying the TDS reading by two. A lot of sellers of 
colloidal silver generators were sorry to see these become available. They were 
able to claim any PPM figure they wanted and tell people that to measure PPM, 
they would have to send their CS to a lab. Oh yes, and the labs did not know 
what they were doing, of course.
How's the color going?
https://theartofmakingcolloidalsilver.com/measure-it/

-Original Message-
From: PT Ferrance  
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2020 10:50 AM
To: Silverlist Post 
Subject: CS>TDS meter

My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no 
directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not been 
dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
Would someone point me in the right direction? I've searched but have not found 
good directions.
Thanks.
PT


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Re: CS>TDS meter

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks, Ode.  I always appreciate your guidance.
PT








On Monday, November 2, 2020, 08:05:55 AM EST, Ode Coyote 
 wrote: 





It should have been calibrated at the factory...calibration can be pretty 
tricky and  requires a calibration fluid
Send it back...it's defective.
 For EIS, get a conductivity meterTDS meters, in general,  'suck' [made for 
salt water..silver isn't salt]
HM Digital  EC-3 is a decent meter... their COM-100 is more interesting 
including conductivity and scales for 3 different types of salt solutions
THEY ALL don't do what you may think or want them to do in EIS.. a very dynamic 
and ever changing substance.
 Not COMPLETELY useless, but not far from it.

Ode

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:
> My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no 
> directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not been 
> dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
> Would someone point me in the right direction?  
> I've searched but have not found good directions.
> Thanks. 
> PT
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Re: CS>TDS meter

[Ode Coyote]

It should have been calibrated at the factory...calibration can be pretty
tricky and  requires a calibration fluid
Send it back...it's defective.
 For EIS, get a conductivity meterTDS meters, in general,  'suck' [made
for salt water..silver isn't salt]
HM Digital  EC-3 is a decent meter... their COM-100 is more interesting
including conductivity and scales for 3 different types of salt solutions
THEY ALL don't do what you may think or want them to do in EIS.. a very
dynamic and ever changing substance.
 Not COMPLETELY useless, but not far from it.

Ode

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:50 PM PT Ferrance  wrote:

> My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no
> directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not
> been dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
> Would someone point me in the right direction?
> I've searched but have not found good directions.
> Thanks.
> PT
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CS>TDS meter

[PT Ferrance]

My first TDS meter just arrived.  It talks about calibration but with no 
directions as how to do this.  Since it is showing 862ppm and it has not been 
dipped into anything I am anticipating that this needs to be done.
Would someone point me in the right direction?  
I've searched but have not found good directions.
Thanks. 
PT


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Re: CS>TDS meter

[Ode Coyote]

HM Digital EC-3 [uS] or COM-100 [uS/TDS/PPM]   are good meters, better and
cheaper than the Hanna PWT

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:08 PM Marshall  wrote:

> What is recommended for a TDS or uS meter for CS now.  It seems that
> Hanna does not sell the one I bought years ago any more.
>
> Also what is the recommended source for fine silver sheets? I think I
> bought from ccsilver.com a decade ago, but I don't find fine silver
> sheets listed with them any more.
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> Thanks,
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CS>TDS meter

[Marshall]

What is recommended for a TDS or uS meter for CS now.  It seems that 
Hanna does not sell the one I bought years ago any more.


Also what is the recommended source for fine silver sheets? I think I 
bought from ccsilver.com a decade ago, but I don't find fine silver 
sheets listed with them any more.


Thanks,

Marshall


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