Re: CSno kaolin in kaopectate? was, Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...
sol wrote: What I have here is Kaopectate caplets, and the active ingredient is listed as attapulgite. No Kaolin, no pectin. Pectin is 6th in line in the inactive ingredients listing. What??? That is a trick used to get around FDA requirements of proof for claims. For instance, lets say you want to market CS as an anti viral medicine. You don't want to spend 100 million dollars getting it approved, but you still want to label the product as antiviral. So what you do is put in a trace of an antiviral that IS FDA approved and list it as an active ingredient, but then put CS in as an inactive ingredient. Then it works a million times better than the actual active ingredient alone would, and it keeps the FDA off your back. In fact there was an article in the paper about this just the other day. Turns out that they can put almost anything in as an inactive ingredient, and not label it. That in turn can cause severe problems for some people who may be allergic to it, and they can never find out what it is that is causing the problem because it is an unlabelled inactive ingerdient. The FDA is being pushed to require listing of all ingredients, but the pharms are fighting it because it would then allow everyone to see what is in many cases making it work so much better than the competition's brand of what is suppose to be the same thing.. Marshall paula - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net a quick search on google will show it is clay, mined directly from the ground. Florida is a producer, but not much compared to Africa. forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the apple. You can buy Kaopectate in any drugstore. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Pectin is osmotic and also chelates heavy metals. TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 09:57:22 -0400 I might be wrong, but I always thought that the kaolin was like activated charcoal, and absorbs toxins, so they pass on out the system without getting into the blood steam. I haven't a clue as to what the pectin does. Marshall Charles Sutton wrote: forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the apple. You can buy Kaopectate in any drugstore. There are a lot of kaolin mines in Florida, I can dig it up by the shovelfull for free. How does it relate to the others? Kaopectate is clay and apple. I wonder if you could mix CS with that? - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Jason Eaton 7/31/03 5:47 AM I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint. Sadly, it has done exactly the opposite! Thanks for that entire post about the mysteries of the various properties of clay in many of it's forms, now I wont have to ask WHY clay does anything beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis courts, and ceramics only. I can't imagine eating clay, but I have read of people who do so compulsively. ( A mineral deficiency? ) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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Schulze's Formula #2 has Ph. grade bentonite clay, psyllium, flax seed ,act.willow charcoal,fruit pectin,etc. great cleanse, parasite killer, and poison antidote. TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:47:30 -0700 Mike: Thanks for the report! My experience matches your description exactly. Over the last year, we've come along way in complicating -- I mean contemplating -- reasons for the effectiveness of clay applications, from a scientific point of view. All known possible resources have now been exhausted. One of the Arizona Universities failed to uncover the mysteries of clay with a few well-intentioned but unsuccessful analytical studies. They quickly ran out of ideas and time, and thus gave up. World-renown and nobel prize winning Professor Alexander Graham Cairns-Smith was consulted -- by Thierry Brunet -- who showed brief interest, non-belief, and had no real -- even whimsical or hypothetical -- explanation to offer. In fact, Thierry has travelled the world and met with every known expert on healing clays he could locate. We now, by far, have the largest collection of knowledge and information ever assembled regarding the subject ( besides anecdotal experience by users, of course )... Some of France's prominent and gifted spiritual healers have examined clay, expressing amazement at the powerful healing energy the clay possesses. Initial Kirlian photography done by extremely knowledgable homeopaths in France has demonstrated that clay applied locally is an extraordinary stimulating force, and that clay ingested effects the body's metabolism within a few short minutes of ingestion... with an unexplainable reach far beyond the digestive system ( as we know, since ingesting clay initially can -- but won't always -- cause a slight increase in blood pressure, as an example ). We've collectively turned down an offer to present data at a United Nations WHO meeting, as the results of the last meeting ( which I did not attend ), while generating great interest via overwhelming evidence presented, there was also a great deal of skepticism, including half-hearted accusations of doctoring photos. Beyond the interest, none of the needed support was acquired as a result... It seems pointless to... continue the same thing expecting different results. Incidentally, I have some of the most amazing images one would ever see regarding the sheer power of healing clay... But, these images cannot be released in any form publically, and one must have a stomach of solid steel to view them... As this was a case of an infection where treatment had no chance of being successful ( too late ), but the individual elected to do the therapy ( there would have been no other hope anywhere ) because miracles can happen. In this case, the individual eventually required amputation of a hand/forearm ( which would have been the first action if the clay therapy was not done ), but the knowledge and insight gained from the treatment was nearly unfathomable -- to those with experience with the nature of infections and tissue degeneration. Email me privately if you wish to see them. Anyway, I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint. Sadly, it has done exactly the opposite! Antibacterial Time kill studies demonstrated that Illite, which is another class of green healing clay ( a mica, illuminosilicate ), actually promoted the growth of bacteria in vitro. Bentonite and Montmorillonite ( smectite, illuminosilicates ) have proven antibacterial capabilities. Our one research experiment done with natural bentonite shows that the bentonite silver mixture is effective against gram positive bacteria ( which the clay responds very slow to ), with about a 15% reduction in efficacy of the silver. This is significant, as one can harness the benefits of the clay without sacrificing too much of the silver power... Very few substances are truly compatible with silver for medicinal applications. Now, the Illite is much more powerful than montmorillonite in certain circumstances, such as the Buruli Ulcerations. It is a very powerful healing clay, and presents more mysteries than it solves. It is far less effective in other situations, such as baths, where the ion exchange capability of the smectites, and the way the charge layers form, provides a far greater ( dare I say catalyst? ) reaction. We finally got our hands on some natural French illite for testing purposes, and we immediately began to pit it against our own natural desert bentonite -- with great relish. The illite is... exotic. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but the average particle size is minute compared to even the finest bentonites
Re: CSno kaolin in kaopectate? was, Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...
I was a drugstore manager for several years and the detail man for our branded products said that that is what it was. They didn't have caplets then, perhaps they changed it for the pill version... - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: CSno kaolin in kaopectate? was, Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... What I have here is Kaopectate caplets, and the active ingredient is listed as attapulgite. No Kaolin, no pectin. Pectin is 6th in line in the inactive ingredients listing. What??? paula - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net a quick search on google will show it is clay, mined directly from the ground. Florida is a producer, but not much compared to Africa. forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the apple. You can buy Kaopectate in any drugstore. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSno kaolin in kaopectate? was, Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...
what would be a good dose of clay? or Pectin? I doubt if you could get enough in a pill to do any good. I've tried to find the original formula but without successIf you find it let me know. I trained as an OTC (over the counter) and vitamin specialist and very clearly remember that was the ingredients at that time... circa 1970. At any rate, I don't think I'd put CS in this formula! Just read where the lead was just reduced recently (LEAD!!). Good thing I didn't take any of the stuff - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: cds...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: CSno kaolin in kaopectate? was, Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Charles, If I remember rightly the liquid version ingredients were the same except for the fillers to make the caplet form. I'll check next time I get to the store Are you saying attapulgite IS kaolin? If it is, I wonder why don't they still call it kaolin on the label as I remember from years ago? Seems weird to me paula - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net I was a drugstore manager for several years and the detail man for our branded products said that that is what it was. They didn't have caplets then, perhaps they changed it for the pill version... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Charles, Thanks for this wonderful lesson in etymology! I am always learning surprising new things by studying the parts of words. So, is it literally true that Kaopectate -- which I have of course consumed at times -- literally consists mainly of clay and apple pectin? Is that printed on the label? Seems to me some consumers would shy away from such a product! Thanks again. JBB Charles Sutton wrote: forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the apple. You can buy Kaopectate in any drugstore. There are a lot of kaolin mines in Florida, I can dig it up by the shovelfull for free. How does it relate to the others? Kaopectate is clay and apple. I wonder if you could mix CS with that? - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Jason Eaton 7/31/03 5:47 AM I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint. Sadly, it has done exactly the opposite! Thanks for that entire post about the mysteries of the various properties of clay in many of it's forms, now I wont have to ask WHY clay does anything beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis courts, and ceramics only. I can't imagine eating clay, but I have read of people who do so compulsively. ( A mineral deficiency? ) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Weng: I would not recommend combining DMSO and bentonite for topical application. DMSO reacts with bentonite, and I do not, at this point, know the exact reaction, but it is possible that the aluminum silicate bond may be broken, which may result in depositing metallic and/or ionic aluminum directly into the body. Furthermore, except on rare circumstances, bentonite never actually enters the bloodstream. The rare circumstances account for a very minute amount of the smallest possible clay particles entering the blood stream. The effect is beneficial, but an over-abundance of clay particles in the blood is likely to result in extremely negative consequences; possibly the destruction of red blood cells. Barring further research, there are too many unknowns to truly predict a positive experience. It is likely that any risk associated with use is negligible; I myself have experimented with the DMSO clay combination. Extreme circumstances may provide reason for such experimentation, however... Such as conditions like jungle rot and other non-responsive and illusive skin conditions ( of course, DMSO would have to be used very carefully as well ). In such a situation, I certainly wouldn't neglect to include CS in the mixture. Thanks for the comments! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: WengChew Leong k...@e-access.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: RE: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Dear Eaton, Thanks for the great info on clay. I have read an article on DMSO and Vitamin B12 in www.mercola.com that says that DMSO is absorbed directly through the skin and it will carry with it any impurities(good and bad) dissolved in it. Hence, I am wondering if you have assessed the effectiveness of Bentonite mixed with DMSO. Anyway, the author of the article says that he started to feel a sense of general strength and well being after an hour of this application of DMSO and B12. This is faster than taking oral or sublingual tablets. Regards, Weng -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, 31 July, 2003 1:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Mike: Thanks for the report! My experience matches your description exactly. Over the last year, we've come along way in complicating -- I mean contemplating -- reasons for the effectiveness of clay applications, from a scientific point of view. All known possible resources have now been exhausted. One of the Arizona Universities failed to uncover the mysteries of clay with a few well-intentioned but unsuccessful analytical studies. They quickly ran out of ideas and time, and thus gave up. World-renown and nobel prize winning Professor Alexander Graham Cairns-Smith was consulted -- by Thierry Brunet -- who showed brief interest, non-belief, and had no real -- even whimsical or hypothetical -- explanation to offer. In fact, Thierry has travelled the world and met with every known expert on healing clays he could locate. We now, by far, have the largest collection of knowledge and information ever assembled regarding the subject ( besides anecdotal experience by users, of course )... Some of France's prominent and gifted spiritual healers have examined clay, expressing amazement at the powerful healing energy the clay possesses. Initial Kirlian photography done by extremely knowledgable homeopaths in France has demonstrated that clay applied locally is an extraordinary stimulating force, and that clay ingested effects the body's metabolism within a few short minutes of ingestion... with an unexplainable reach far beyond the digestive system ( as we know, since ingesting clay initially can -- but won't always -- cause a slight increase in blood pressure, as an example ). We've collectively turned down an offer to present data at a United Nations WHO meeting, as the results of the last meeting ( which I did not attend ), while generating great interest via overwhelming evidence presented, there was also a great deal of skepticism, including half-hearted accusations of doctoring photos. Beyond the interest, none of the needed support was acquired as a result... It seems pointless to... continue the same thing expecting different results. Incidentally, I have some of the most amazing images one would ever see regarding the sheer power of healing clay... But, these images cannot be released in any form publically, and one must have a stomach of solid steel to view them... As this was a case of an infection where treatment had no chance of being successful ( too late ), but the individual elected to do the therapy ( there would have been no other hope anywhere ) because miracles can happen. In this case, the individual eventually required amputation of a hand/forearm ( which would have been the first action if the clay therapy
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forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the apple. You can buy Kaopectate in any drugstore. There are a lot of kaolin mines in Florida, I can dig it up by the shovelfull for free. How does it relate to the others? Kaopectate is clay and apple. I wonder if you could mix CS with that? - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Jason Eaton 7/31/03 5:47 AM I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint. Sadly, it has done exactly the opposite! Thanks for that entire post about the mysteries of the various properties of clay in many of it's forms, now I wont have to ask WHY clay does anything beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis courts, and ceramics only. I can't imagine eating clay, but I have read of people who do so compulsively. ( A mineral deficiency? ) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I might be wrong, but I always thought that the kaolin was like activated charcoal, and absorbs toxins, so they pass on out the system without getting into the blood steam. I haven't a clue as to what the pectin does. Marshall Charles Sutton wrote: forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the apple. You can buy Kaopectate in any drugstore. There are a lot of kaolin mines in Florida, I can dig it up by the shovelfull for free. How does it relate to the others? Kaopectate is clay and apple. I wonder if you could mix CS with that? - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Jason Eaton 7/31/03 5:47 AM I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint. Sadly, it has done exactly the opposite! Thanks for that entire post about the mysteries of the various properties of clay in many of it's forms, now I wont have to ask WHY clay does anything beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis courts, and ceramics only. I can't imagine eating clay, but I have read of people who do so compulsively. ( A mineral deficiency? ) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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a quick search on google will show it is clay, mined directly from the ground. Florida is a producer, but not much compared to Africa. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:57 AM Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... I might be wrong, but I always thought that the kaolin was like activated charcoal, and absorbs toxins, so they pass on out the system without getting into the blood steam. I haven't a clue as to what the pectin does. Marshall Charles Sutton wrote: forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the apple. You can buy Kaopectate in any drugstore. There are a lot of kaolin mines in Florida, I can dig it up by the shovelfull for free. How does it relate to the others? Kaopectate is clay and apple. I wonder if you could mix CS with that? - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Jason Eaton 7/31/03 5:47 AM I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint. Sadly, it has done exactly the opposite! Thanks for that entire post about the mysteries of the various properties of clay in many of it's forms, now I wont have to ask WHY clay does anything beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis courts, and ceramics only. I can't imagine eating clay, but I have read of people who do so compulsively. ( A mineral deficiency? ) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSno kaolin in kaopectate? was, Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...
What I have here is Kaopectate caplets, and the active ingredient is listed as attapulgite. No Kaolin, no pectin. Pectin is 6th in line in the inactive ingredients listing. What??? paula - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net a quick search on google will show it is clay, mined directly from the ground. Florida is a producer, but not much compared to Africa. forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the apple. You can buy Kaopectate in any drugstore. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: no kaolin in kaopectate? was, Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...
...Kaopectate caplets, and the active ingredient is listed as attapulgite. No Kaolin... Safety (MSDS) data for attapulgite General Synonyms: attapulgus clay Molecular formula: clay-like material of variable composition, mainly consisting of silicon, aluminium and iron oxides http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/AT/attapulgite.html Attapulgite is believed to bind to and remove large volumes of bacteria and toxins from the digestive tract... There is some debate regarding attapulgite's effectiveness. http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/drugs_view/1,1524,767,00.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Regarding clay and ceramics: a very interesting range of ceramics known as EMX ceramics is available widely in Japan and also online from EMTRading.com. (I have no affiliation.) I find that these ceramics impart an influence to water which I consider to be benficial, though I am aware of no studies that confirm this. Anecdotally speaking, I think the EMX ceramics, which can be worn as jewelry, have beneficial therapeutic effects, a topic which an expert such as Jason Eaton might be interested in exploring. Obviously, the influence of hard, fired ceramic pipe, pellet, or cylinder is not related to the effects of the soft clay JE describes in his fascinating letters. However, the relationship between the two might be very interesting to consider, and might help to answer some of the questions JE has raised. Bottom line: the effects of the clays JE describes remain quite unclear. If fired clays exhibit related effects, some of the answers might emerge. By this I mean that the effects of both types may be energetic rather than chemical, though of course these two categories are related. JBB Jason Eaton wrote: Jack: Yes, very true: There is an actual disorder related to eating clay -- very often the wrong clay -- that shouldn't be confused with real pelotherapy. However, the base driving instinct is correct; it's the expression that is the problem. As an example, I was reading an abstract the other day; new in-vivo tests prove that bentonite taking internally can reduce the adsorption -- or perhaps increase the elimination -- of Lithium by over 30%. The study was done to see if bentonite -- on the FDA GRAS list -- could be a viable treatment for a Lithium overdose. The conclusion was affirmative. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:36 AM Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Jason Eaton 7/31/03 5:47 AM I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint. Sadly, it has done exactly the opposite! Thanks for that entire post about the mysteries of the various properties of clay in many of it's forms, now I wont have to ask WHY clay does anything beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis courts, and ceramics only. I can't imagine eating clay, but I have read of people who do so compulsively. ( A mineral deficiency? ) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Jason Eaton 7/31/03 5:47 AM I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint. Sadly, it has done exactly the opposite! Thanks for that entire post about the mysteries of the various properties of clay in many of it's forms, now I wont have to ask WHY clay does anything beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis courts, and ceramics only. I can't imagine eating clay, but I have read of people who do so compulsively. ( A mineral deficiency? ) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Jack: Yes, very true: There is an actual disorder related to eating clay -- very often the wrong clay -- that shouldn't be confused with real pelotherapy. However, the base driving instinct is correct; it's the expression that is the problem. As an example, I was reading an abstract the other day; new in-vivo tests prove that bentonite taking internally can reduce the adsorption -- or perhaps increase the elimination -- of Lithium by over 30%. The study was done to see if bentonite -- on the FDA GRAS list -- could be a viable treatment for a Lithium overdose. The conclusion was affirmative. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:36 AM Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Jason Eaton 7/31/03 5:47 AM I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint. Sadly, it has done exactly the opposite! Thanks for that entire post about the mysteries of the various properties of clay in many of it's forms, now I wont have to ask WHY clay does anything beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis courts, and ceramics only. I can't imagine eating clay, but I have read of people who do so compulsively. ( A mineral deficiency? ) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Kaopectate is clay and apple. I wonder if you could mix CS with that? - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Jason Eaton 7/31/03 5:47 AM I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint. Sadly, it has done exactly the opposite! Thanks for that entire post about the mysteries of the various properties of clay in many of it's forms, now I wont have to ask WHY clay does anything beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis courts, and ceramics only. I can't imagine eating clay, but I have read of people who do so compulsively. ( A mineral deficiency? ) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Eaton, Thanks for the great info on clay. I have read an article on DMSO and Vitamin B12 in www.mercola.com that says that DMSO is absorbed directly through the skin and it will carry with it any impurities(good and bad) dissolved in it. Hence, I am wondering if you have assessed the effectiveness of Bentonite mixed with DMSO. Anyway, the author of the article says that he started to feel a sense of general strength and well being after an hour of this application of DMSO and B12. This is faster than taking oral or sublingual tablets. Regards, Weng -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, 31 July, 2003 1:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... Mike: Thanks for the report! My experience matches your description exactly. Over the last year, we've come along way in complicating -- I mean contemplating -- reasons for the effectiveness of clay applications, from a scientific point of view. All known possible resources have now been exhausted. One of the Arizona Universities failed to uncover the mysteries of clay with a few well-intentioned but unsuccessful analytical studies. They quickly ran out of ideas and time, and thus gave up. World-renown and nobel prize winning Professor Alexander Graham Cairns-Smith was consulted -- by Thierry Brunet -- who showed brief interest, non-belief, and had no real -- even whimsical or hypothetical -- explanation to offer. In fact, Thierry has travelled the world and met with every known expert on healing clays he could locate. We now, by far, have the largest collection of knowledge and information ever assembled regarding the subject ( besides anecdotal experience by users, of course )... Some of France's prominent and gifted spiritual healers have examined clay, expressing amazement at the powerful healing energy the clay possesses. Initial Kirlian photography done by extremely knowledgable homeopaths in France has demonstrated that clay applied locally is an extraordinary stimulating force, and that clay ingested effects the body's metabolism within a few short minutes of ingestion... with an unexplainable reach far beyond the digestive system ( as we know, since ingesting clay initially can -- but won't always -- cause a slight increase in blood pressure, as an example ). We've collectively turned down an offer to present data at a United Nations WHO meeting, as the results of the last meeting ( which I did not attend ), while generating great interest via overwhelming evidence presented, there was also a great deal of skepticism, including half-hearted accusations of doctoring photos. Beyond the interest, none of the needed support was acquired as a result... It seems pointless to... continue the same thing expecting different results. Incidentally, I have some of the most amazing images one would ever see regarding the sheer power of healing clay... But, these images cannot be released in any form publically, and one must have a stomach of solid steel to view them... As this was a case of an infection where treatment had no chance of being successful ( too late ), but the individual elected to do the therapy ( there would have been no other hope anywhere ) because miracles can happen. In this case, the individual eventually required amputation of a hand/forearm ( which would have been the first action if the clay therapy was not done ), but the knowledge and insight gained from the treatment was nearly unfathomable -- to those with experience with the nature of infections and tissue degeneration. Email me privately if you wish to see them. Anyway, I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint. Sadly, it has done exactly the opposite! Antibacterial Time kill studies demonstrated that Illite, which is another class of green healing clay ( a mica, illuminosilicate ), actually promoted the growth of bacteria in vitro. Bentonite and Montmorillonite ( smectite, illuminosilicates ) have proven antibacterial capabilities. Our one research experiment done with natural bentonite shows that the bentonite silver mixture is effective against gram positive bacteria ( which the clay responds very slow to ), with about a 15% reduction in efficacy of the silver. This is significant, as one can harness the benefits of the clay without sacrificing too much of the silver power... Very few substances are truly compatible with silver for medicinal applications. Now, the Illite is much more powerful than montmorillonite in certain circumstances, such as the Buruli Ulcerations. It is a very powerful healing clay, and presents more mysteries than it solves. It is far less effective in other situations, such as baths, where the ion exchange capability of the smectites, and the way the charge layers form, provides a far greater ( dare I say catalyst? ) reaction. We finally got our hands
CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...
I want to report this for anybody who might be interested... Over the last year or two I have learned about some of the medicinal uses of clay from Jason's messages here. This week we had a chance to put that learning into practice once again. Rosie was helping with dinner prep and was scraping the insides of a cooked spaghetti squash out of its skin. A sizable blop of squash innards landed on the inside of her wrist, causing an extremely painful burn. She put it on ice while we sat down to dinner. Afterwards she asked me to put some clay on it. I had had a mason jar with some hydrated clay in it, but it had dried out a little bit. Even still, it sprang back after adding a few drops of water and stirring lightly. I spread a nice thick layer over the burned area, which was red and still hurting a lot, but had not yet blistered. She wrapped it in gauze and kept that moist by spritzing on some CS. After a few hours she pulled off the compress and re-dressed the injury with more CS moistened gauze. (No clay at this point.) Already, the pain was nearly gone and there was only a very *small* area with a couple of blisters at one edge of the wound that I didn't get as much clay on as the rest. The rest of the area was slightly tender, but not painful at all. The next day she dispensed with any dressings at all, as they weren't necessary. We're talking about a burn that would have been a couple square inches of blister if it had not been treated promptly and well. The fact that only the small area that blistered had not received an adequately thick application of clay gives us a bit of a basis for comparison. Now, a few days later, the rest of it is quite far along in healing, and only the small area that blistered is behaving as you'd normally expect of such a burn. Thanks Jason! It's good to have this treatment protocol in our bag of tricks. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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M. G. Devour wrote: I want to report this for anybody who might be interested... Over the last year or two I have learned about some of the medicinal uses of clay from Jason's messages here. This week we had a chance to put that learning into practice once again. Rosie was helping with dinner prep and was scraping the insides of a cooked spaghetti squash out of its skin. A sizable blop of squash innards landed on the inside of her wrist, causing an extremely painful burn. She put it on ice while we sat down to dinner. Afterwards she asked me to put some clay on it. I had had a mason jar with some hydrated clay in it, but it had dried out a little bit. Even still, it sprang back after adding a few drops of water and stirring lightly. I spread a nice thick layer over the burned area, which was red and still hurting a lot, but had not yet blistered. She wrapped it in gauze and kept that moist by spritzing on some CS. After a few hours she pulled off the compress and re-dressed the injury with more CS moistened gauze. (No clay at this point.) Already, the pain was nearly gone and there was only a very *small* area with a couple of blisters at one edge of the wound that I didn't get as much clay on as the rest. The rest of the area was slightly tender, but not painful at all. The next day she dispensed with any dressings at all, as they weren't necessary. We're talking about a burn that would have been a couple square inches of blister if it had not been treated promptly and well. The fact that only the small area that blistered had not received an adequately thick application of clay gives us a bit of a basis for comparison. Now, a few days later, the rest of it is quite far along in healing, and only the small area that blistered is behaving as you'd normally expect of such a burn. Thanks Jason! It's good to have this treatment protocol in our bag of tricks. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com I had a fork lift run over a couple of toes at work.When I got home I took some green clay,CS and aloe juice to hydrate--packed my black/blue toes with the mix after washing.I did the same the next day as toes were bleeding under pressure and hoped clay would at least absorb the fluids while I work. When I got home I proceeded to unpack and wash my foot...The toes were no longer black/blue and I never lost the nail. I lucked-out -no broken bones. The clay mix also seemed to help with the pain. I have always re-hydrated the clay with aloe,H2O2-3% and CS(since 1997). Periodically I use it on my face when glass slivers work out from car accident 37 years ago. Sincerely, Holland
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, based on tests I've performed with high-sodium bentonites and lower sodium bentonites ( mainly regarding clay poultices, and not baths ). I demonstrated by experimentation over a three week period of time that clay baths had no effect on a skin cancer, and that a single clay poultice did. Anyway, the natural illite has thusfar outperformed our desert clay when applied to minor skin conditions/infections and skin irritations... by a relatively wide margin. However, the illite does not have the same pain-relieving effect that the bentonite has, and it does not seem to have the reach -- inside the body -- as the natural bentonite has. It is fantastic internally, and shares many of the properties we are used to seeing, with no explanation as to why ( illite is a non-swelling clay ). Of interest: http://www.eytonsearth.org/mercurytoxicity.html The lab results have been confirmed in this near-lethal case of mercury poisoning. Illite used internally in conjunction with montmorillonite clay baths removed the mercury from the body, bringing down the total mercury content well within safety limits, while not touching the platinum levels... I wish we could have seen a full analysis done comparing other substances. Furthermore: http://www.eytonsearth.org/bentonite-psyllium-colloid.html We've added a new page on utilizing Psyllium with Bentonite for internal cleansing. This is the first new page of about 15 I have to add, as time provides. We aren't any closer to really identifying what brands/types of bentonite are best -- and why. We are relatively certain that the FDA grade clays are the least desireable, and that high sodium bentonites may be excellent for bath treatments, but not nearly as effective for topical applications and clay poultices. The two sodium bentonites that we've tested which were not very effective? One could actually taste the salt. Our last clay application of note was with a strange and unknown irritation/growth present on the side of the knuckle of a little toe ( beneath the skin ). The irritation was to the point that it was difficult for the individual to wear a shoe on the foot, and the condition had been progressively getting worse for about nine months. The individual did not seek medical attention. Clay application, done over a three day period, over night, at first appeared to be inneffective. Redness was removed, but the size of the growth remained the same. The clay use was halted. However, over the next two months, the irritation subsided, and the growth actually began to move torward the very tip of the toe, to the point where it is obviously now dead tissue that exists almost exactly as a callus would appear, with no associated pain. It appears as if the body is simply going to eliminate it. I've never seen such a growth actually move nearly 1/2 inch that was so close to the skin's surface. The lymphatic system is amazing. Best Regards, Jason R. Eaton - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:03 PM Subject: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ... I want to report this for anybody who might be interested... Over the last year or two I have learned about some of the medicinal uses of clay from Jason's messages here. This week we had a chance to put that learning into practice once again. Rosie was helping with dinner prep and was scraping the insides of a cooked spaghetti squash out of its skin. A sizable blop of squash innards landed on the inside of her wrist, causing an extremely painful burn. She put it on ice while we sat down to dinner. Afterwards she asked me to put some clay on it. I had had a mason jar with some hydrated clay in it, but it had dried out a little bit. Even still, it sprang back after adding a few drops of water and stirring lightly. I spread a nice thick layer over the burned area, which was red and still hurting a lot, but had not yet blistered. She wrapped it in gauze and kept that moist by spritzing on some CS. After a few hours she pulled off the compress and re-dressed the injury with more CS moistened gauze. (No clay at this point.) Already, the pain was nearly gone and there was only a very *small* area with a couple of blisters at one edge of the wound that I didn't get as much clay on as the rest. The rest of the area was slightly tender, but not painful at all. The next day she dispensed with any dressings at all, as they weren't necessary. We're talking about a burn that would have been a couple square inches of blister if it had not been treated promptly and well. The fact that only the small area that blistered had not received an adequately thick application of clay gives us a bit of a basis for comparison. Now, a few days later, the rest of it is quite far along in healing, and only the small area that blistered is behaving as you'd normally expect of such a burn. Thanks Jason! It's
