CSFDA warns consumers about fake Ebola drugs - CNN.com
Liars. Anything to put billions into big pharma's pockets, while thinning the population. The ebv68 virus is a real worry. Take precautions now. It is now in Tennessee and affects adults. http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/health/ebola-fake-drugs/ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~
Re: CSFDA warns consumers about fake Ebola drugs - CNN.com
ebola is in tennessee? On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:09 AM, TJ Garland wrote: Liars. Anything to put billions into big pharma's pockets, while thinning the population. The ebv68 virus is a real worry. Take precautions now. It is now in Tennessee and affects adults. http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/health/ebola-fake-drugs/ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~
RE: CSFDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value | The Alliance for Natural Health USA
It sure can! It also can lick MRSA which is another one most MDs haven't a clue about. From: ASL [mailto:aslra...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:14 PM To: Silver-List Subject: Re: CSFDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value | The Alliance for Natural Health USA Thanks everyone who reminded me of the specific site: Quail Wood Herbal was the one I was talking about. The other person who mentioned of selling his C.S. - I appreciate this information too! I'm curious - does anyone know if C.S. can destroy staph infection? I met a lady who has it but doctors are clueless in how to help her rid it. Kindly, RaVen Quote: Hurricanes, tornadoes and volcanoes are all Natural Disasters. We can't fit Global Warming into that category. We have only us to blame ― http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1429455.Veronica_White Veronica White On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:49 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net wrote: RaVen He makes some wonderful CS... It is.. www.quailwoodherbal.com http://www.quailwoodherbal.com/ phone 928-308-9104 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: Quailwoodherbal.com http://quailwoodherbal.com/ ? On Sep 16, 2013, at 11:59 AM, ASL wrote: Can someone kindly give me the name of the website of someone selling bottles of Colloidal Silver - I think it was called something like Quail - Thanks! RaVen Quote: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/y/yehudaberg536662.html With so much evidence of depleting natural resources, toxic waste, climate change, irreparable harm to our food chain and rapidly increasing instances of natural disasters, why do we keep perpetuating the problem? Why do we continue marching at the same alarming beat? ~ http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/y/yehuda_berg.html Yehuda Berg On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote: A quick and informative read. http://www.anh-usa.org/fda-declares-silver-has-no-therapeutic-value/
RE: CSFDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value | The Alliance for Natural Health USA
Yes, on both -- MRSA just being a staph on steroids. I have helped a woman cure herself of MRSA after doc was helpless. Took less than 2 days! Judy Down Maine ~ DO as you would be DONE BY ~ -Original Message- From: Scott Adams [mailto:msad...@msadams.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:05 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSFDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value | The Alliance for Natural Health USA It sure can! It also can lick MRSA which is another one most MDs haven't a clue about. From: ASL [mailto:aslra...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:14 PM To: Silver-List Subject: Re: CSFDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value | The Alliance for Natural Health USA Thanks everyone who reminded me of the specific site: Quail Wood Herbal was the one I was talking about. The other person who mentioned of selling his C.S. - I appreciate this information too! I'm curious - does anyone know if C.S. can destroy staph infection? I met a lady who has it but doctors are clueless in how to help her rid it. Kindly, RaVen Quote: Hurricanes, tornadoes and volcanoes are all Natural Disasters. We can't fit Global Warming into that category. We have only us to blame ― Veronica White On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:49 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net wrote: RaVen He makes some wonderful CS... It is.. www.quailwoodherbal.com phone 928-308-9104 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: Quailwoodherbal.com? On Sep 16, 2013, at 11:59 AM, ASL wrote: Can someone kindly give me the name of the website of someone selling bottles of Colloidal Silver - I think it was called something like Quail - Thanks! RaVen Quote: With so much evidence of depleting natural resources, toxic waste, climate change, irreparable harm to our food chain and rapidly increasing instances of natural disasters, why do we keep perpetuating the problem? Why do we continue marching at the same alarming beat? ~Yehuda Berg On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote: A quick and informative read. http://www.anh-usa.org/fda-declares-silver-has-no- therapeutic-value/
Re: CSFDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value | The Alliance for Natural Health USA
Can someone kindly give me the name of the website of someone selling bottles of Colloidal Silver - I think it was called something like Quail - Thanks! RaVen Quote: With so much evidence of depleting natural resources, toxic waste, climate change, irreparable harm to our food chain and rapidly increasing instances of natural disasters, why do we keep perpetuating the problem? Why do we continue marching at the same alarming beat?http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/y/yehudaberg536662.html ~Yehuda Berg http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/y/yehuda_berg.html On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote: A quick and informative read… http://www.anh-usa.org/fda-declares-silver-has-no-therapeutic-value/
RE: CSFDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value | The Alliance for Natural Health USA
If you are interested my wife sells homemade CS for $10/quart locally and she will ship if asked. The shipping cost can be more than the CS. I think it comes to around $40 for 2 quarts but doing this from memory. You can make it for yourself much cheaper though, so this is not a sales pitch. Just trying to help out Scott Adams I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it yet! www.lyme-resource.com From: ASL [mailto:aslra...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 10:59 AM To: Silver-List Subject: Re: CSFDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value | The Alliance for Natural Health USA Can someone kindly give me the name of the website of someone selling bottles of Colloidal Silver - I think it was called something like Quail - Thanks! RaVen Quote: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/y/yehudaberg536662.html With so much evidence of depleting natural resources, toxic waste, climate change, irreparable harm to our food chain and rapidly increasing instances of natural disasters, why do we keep perpetuating the problem? Why do we continue marching at the same alarming beat? ~ http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/y/yehuda_berg.html Yehuda Berg On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote: A quick and informative read. http://www.anh-usa.org/fda-declares-silver-has-no-therapeutic-value/
Re: CSFDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value | The Alliance for Natural Health USA
Quailwoodherbal.com? On Sep 16, 2013, at 11:59 AM, ASL wrote: Can someone kindly give me the name of the website of someone selling bottles of Colloidal Silver - I think it was called something like Quail - Thanks! RaVen Quote: With so much evidence of depleting natural resources, toxic waste, climate change, irreparable harm to our food chain and rapidly increasing instances of natural disasters, why do we keep perpetuating the problem? Why do we continue marching at the same alarming beat? ~Yehuda Berg On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote: A quick and informative read… http://www.anh-usa.org/fda-declares-silver-has-no-therapeutic-value/
Re: CSFDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value | The Alliance for Natural Health USA
RaVen He makes some wonderful CS... It is.. www.quailwoodherbal.com phone 928-308-9104 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: Quailwoodherbal.com http://quailwoodherbal.com/? On Sep 16, 2013, at 11:59 AM, ASL wrote: Can someone kindly give me the name of the website of someone selling bottles of Colloidal Silver - I think it was called something like Quail - Thanks! RaVen Quote: With so much evidence of depleting natural resources, toxic waste, climate change, irreparable harm to our food chain and rapidly increasing instances of natural disasters, why do we keep perpetuating the problem? Why do we continue marching at the same alarming beat?http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/y/yehudaberg536662.html ~Yehuda Berghttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/y/yehuda_berg.html On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote: A quick and informative read… http://www.anh-usa.org/fda-declares-silver-has-no-therapeutic-value/
CSFDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value | The Alliance for Natural Health USA
A quick and informative read. http://www.anh-usa.org/fda-declares-silver-has-no-therapeutic-value/
Re: CSFDA Closures
I don¹t want to get into this debate as I am in the UK but I did note that those in power (like the President etc.,) only eat organic foods. Wonder why? dee From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:02:12 -0800 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSFDA Closures Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:02:02 -0800 One by one the FDA nazi goons under the direction of our esteemed President with the approval of congress are attacking and taking away our ability to treat and heal ourselves, and even to prevent illness before it starts. They are poisoning our food and water with GMO¹s, fluoride, barium, and aluminum making it almost impossible for the average person to ingest anything that isn¹t tainted in some way. This is by design. Then, after making us sick, they take away our ability to treat and heal ourselves and our loved ones. Can you think of anything more evil in its intent? I for one cannot. The governments job is to protect its citizens instead they are now in the business of murdering us. I¹m not joking folks. This is the reality we are living in. Monsanto, big pharma, and the NOW are in partnership to cull the population and give millions of new customers to the pharma companies so they can poison us with their dangerous and ineffectual drugs making trillions on us before we die.
Re: CSFDA Closures
Jane: ROTFLMAO! Too right! sol Jane MacRoss wrote: America is not alone - that's my son . and most other people under 42 / wondering why having driven over 80 km in 38'C heat finding a car park, finding his hospital ward, taking him clean clothes, his laptop, his heavy filing bag, his toiletries, clean water, his MMs, I didn't bring him his camera. _ Most folks have a cell phone in their ear, and sucking on their own bottle of water. talk about insecurity, So we may be goners. david lubbock tx. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFDA Closures
Lola, What i am afraid of is that this may be only the beginning, and eventually they will force all the others too. They stopped rain-tree from importing. Others import too. They find excuses on imported goods being risky. Melly
Re: CSFDA Closures
I so agree, Melly. We don't have a Pres looking out for us and our dear Pres believes in the largest government money can buy (more bureaucrats) controlling as many citizens and every facet of their lives as possible. Nor do we have a Congress that has any backbone or principles and they are not at all willing to stand up for us. We are screwed. It is just a matter of time now. What I really resent is how the government continues to just write rules and/or regulations and seems to consider our Congress/Constitution an irritant at best and irrevelant at worst. That effectively removes our voices from having any influence in any possible legislation. Lola H. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: Lola, What i am afraid of is that this may be only the beginning, and eventually they will force all the others too. They stopped rain-tree from importing. Others import too. They find excuses on imported goods being risky. Melly
Re: CSFDA Closures
Congress also has a role to play here. They could cut back the FDA if they wanted to. PT From: phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 5:31:02 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA Closures I so agree, Melly. We don't have a Pres looking out for us and our dear Pres believes in the largest government money can buy (more bureaucrats) controlling as many citizens and every facet of their lives as possible. Nor do we have a Congress that has any backbone or principles and they are not at all willing to stand up for us. We are screwed. It is just a matter of time now. What I really resent is how the government continues to just write rules and/or regulations and seems to consider our Congress/Constitution an irritant at best and irrevelant at worst. That effectively removes our voices from having any influence in any possible legislation. Lola H. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: Lola, What i am afraid of is that this may be only the beginning, and eventually they will force all the others too. They stopped rain-tree from importing. Others import too. They find excuses on imported goods being risky. Melly
Re: CSFDA Closures
I think the latest voting in California explains many of our problems, they vetoed the opportunity to have listed GMO products on the label. Who pray tell would not want that??? Monsanto spent eight million dollars paying voters to vote it down. As long as we allow the sale of votes, government is for sale as is most of our politicians. Unfortunately ninety nine percent of folks only react, and I do not see many reacting to bigger and more government. Most folks have a cell phone in their ear, and sucking on their own bottle of water. talk about insecurity, So we may be goners. david lubbock tx. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Congress also has a role to play here. They could cut back the FDA if they wanted to. PT -- *From:* phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, November 28, 2012 5:31:02 PM *Subject:* Re: CSFDA Closures I so agree, Melly. We don't have a Pres looking out for us and our dear Pres believes in the largest government money can buy (more bureaucrats) controlling as many citizens and every facet of their lives as possible. Nor do we have a Congress that has any backbone or principles and they are not at all willing to stand up for us. We are screwed. It is just a matter of time now. What I really resent is how the government continues to just write rules and/or regulations and seems to consider our Congress/Constitution an irritant at best and irrevelant at worst. That effectively removes our voices from having any influence in any possible legislation. Lola H. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: Lola, What i am afraid of is that this may be only the beginning, and eventually they will force all the others too. They stopped rain-tree from importing. Others import too. They find excuses on imported goods being risky. Melly
Re: CSFDA Closures
America is not alone - that's my son . and most other people under 42 / wondering why having driven over 80 km in 38'C heat finding a car park, finding his hospital ward, taking him clean clothes, his laptop, his heavy filing bag, his toiletries, clean water, his MMs, I didn't bring him his camera. _ Most folks have a cell phone in their ear, and sucking on their own bottle of water. talk about insecurity, So we may be goners. david lubbock tx.
RE: CSFDA Closures
The GMO vote in CA was completely rigged. You do realize that over 3.3 million votes have not been counted yet, do you not? The CA Sec of State is claiming that all votes will be tallied by Dec.7th. I'll believe it when I see it but the entire process is rigged to the highest bidder. _ From: dAVId [mailto:dhall...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 4:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFDA Closures I think the latest voting in California explains many of our problems, they vetoed the opportunity to have listed GMO products on the label. Who pray tell would not want that??? Monsanto spent eight million dollars paying voters to vote it down. As long as we allow the sale of votes, government is for sale as is most of our politicians. Unfortunately ninety nine percent of folks only react, and I do not see many reacting to bigger and more government. Most folks have a cell phone in their ear, and sucking on their own bottle of water. talk about insecurity, So we may be goners. david lubbock tx. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Congress also has a role to play here. They could cut back the FDA if they wanted to. PT _ From: phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 5:31:02 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA Closures I so agree, Melly. We don't have a Pres looking out for us and our dear Pres believes in the largest government money can buy (more bureaucrats) controlling as many citizens and every facet of their lives as possible. Nor do we have a Congress that has any backbone or principles and they are not at all willing to stand up for us. We are screwed. It is just a matter of time now. What I really resent is how the government continues to just write rules and/or regulations and seems to consider our Congress/Constitution an irritant at best and irrevelant at worst. That effectively removes our voices from having any influence in any possible legislation. Lola H. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: Lola, What i am afraid of is that this may be only the beginning, and eventually they will force all the others too. They stopped rain-tree from importing. Others import too. They find excuses on imported goods being risky. Melly
RE: CSFDA Closures
One by one the FDA nazi goons under the direction of our esteemed President with the approval of congress are attacking and taking away our ability to treat and heal ourselves, and even to prevent illness before it starts. They are poisoning our food and water with GMO's, fluoride, barium, and aluminum making it almost impossible for the average person to ingest anything that isn't tainted in some way. This is by design. Then, after making us sick, they take away our ability to treat and heal ourselves and our loved ones. Can you think of anything more evil in its intent? I for one cannot. The governments job is to protect its citizens. instead they are now in the business of murdering us. I'm not joking folks. This is the reality we are living in. Monsanto, big pharma, and the NOW are in partnership to cull the population and give millions of new customers to the pharma companies so they can poison us with their dangerous and ineffectual drugs making trillions on us before we die. _ From: phoenix23002 tds.net [mailto:phoenix23...@tds.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFDA Closures I so agree, Melly. We don't have a Pres looking out for us and our dear Pres believes in the largest government money can buy (more bureaucrats) controlling as many citizens and every facet of their lives as possible. Nor do we have a Congress that has any backbone or principles and they are not at all willing to stand up for us. We are screwed. It is just a matter of time now. What I really resent is how the government continues to just write rules and/or regulations and seems to consider our Congress/Constitution an irritant at best and irrevelant at worst. That effectively removes our voices from having any influence in any possible legislation. Lola H. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: Lola, What i am afraid of is that this may be only the beginning, and eventually they will force all the others too. They stopped rain-tree from importing. Others import too. They find excuses on imported goods being risky. Melly
RE: CSFDA Closures
Correction to my last post.. NOW should be NWO (New World Order). BTW.. GMO's poison us two ways. by forcing us to ingest a foreign mutated protein AND by ingesting large amounts of glyphosphate and other herbacides that are used heavily on GM crops. _ From: Bob Banever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSFDA Closures One by one the FDA nazi goons under the direction of our esteemed President with the approval of congress are attacking and taking away our ability to treat and heal ourselves, and even to prevent illness before it starts. They are poisoning our food and water with GMO's, fluoride, barium, and aluminum making it almost impossible for the average person to ingest anything that isn't tainted in some way. This is by design. Then, after making us sick, they take away our ability to treat and heal ourselves and our loved ones. Can you think of anything more evil in its intent? I for one cannot. The governments job is to protect its citizens. instead they are now in the business of murdering us. I'm not joking folks. This is the reality we are living in. Monsanto, big pharma, and the NOW are in partnership to cull the population and give millions of new customers to the pharma companies so they can poison us with their dangerous and ineffectual drugs making trillions on us before we die. _ From: phoenix23002 tds.net [mailto:phoenix23...@tds.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFDA Closures I so agree, Melly. We don't have a Pres looking out for us and our dear Pres believes in the largest government money can buy (more bureaucrats) controlling as many citizens and every facet of their lives as possible. Nor do we have a Congress that has any backbone or principles and they are not at all willing to stand up for us. We are screwed. It is just a matter of time now. What I really resent is how the government continues to just write rules and/or regulations and seems to consider our Congress/Constitution an irritant at best and irrevelant at worst. That effectively removes our voices from having any influence in any possible legislation. Lola H. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: Lola, What i am afraid of is that this may be only the beginning, and eventually they will force all the others too. They stopped rain-tree from importing. Others import too. They find excuses on imported goods being risky. Melly
CSFDA and MMS
The FDA have a notice on their site about MMS. It is not very informative, just stating that they have received reports about nausea and vomiting and low blood pressure from dehydration. This is the result of several 'reports' received by the FDA,. http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm220747.htm A peek into our world.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth
Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm
Out of that thousands, a few over do it and whine that they were told it was safe. MMS is not safe..nor are many FDA approved drugs, but you have someone else to blame, somebody to sue...and they charge **everyone** a FORTUNE to take it be they errant or ignorant or not. Socialized blame? If you didn't make any money on it, you can't pay off lawsuits with the money you didn't make. How is a village idiot supposed to make a living !!! Ode At 10:13 AM 8/1/2010 -0700, you wrote: In reference to the FDA scare warning at http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212938-FDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm-from-Drinking-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-MMShttp://www.sott.net/articles/show/212938-FDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm-from-Drinking-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-MMS Let's see. Thousands of people around the world take this stuff daily or weekly. Thousands have been shown to be cured of malaria, HIV, AIDS, cancer, flu, colds, and many other illnesses. Has helped some recover from lupus and/or diabetes. Germs and viruses can't become immune to it. No research has been done by any recognized research lab or by the FDA. You can't patent the stuff so there is no way for the FDA or big pharmacy to make any money off this stuff. The worst side-effect anybody has gotten when following directions is mild nausea, occasional vomiting, and temporary diarrhea. Guess how many people die each year from FDA approved prescription medication? And now the FDA wants to scare everyone away from it. I figure so many people are turning to something that is cheap and works that it is having an impact on a profitable industry. Jim Humble was smart to move to an undisclosed location outside of the US. Typical. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm
This *expose* of MMS came through on another list -- thought it might be of interest to some here. MA http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212938-FDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm-from-Drinking-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-MMS __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog Cat Answers Center. Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Hobbies Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___
Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm
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Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm
In reference to the FDA scare warning at http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212938-FDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm-from-Drinking-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-MMS Let's see. Thousands of people around the world take this stuff daily or weekly. Thousands have been shown to be cured of malaria, HIV, AIDS, cancer, flu, colds, and many other illnesses. Has helped some recover from lupus and/or diabetes. Germs and viruses can't become immune to it. No research has been done by any recognized research lab or by the FDA. You can't patent the stuff so there is no way for the FDA or big pharmacy to make any money off this stuff. The worst side-effect anybody has gotten when following directions is mild nausea, occasional vomiting, and temporary diarrhea. Guess how many people die each year from FDA approved prescription medication? And now the FDA wants to scare everyone away from it. I figure so many people are turning to something that is cheap and works that it is having an impact on a profitable industry. Jim Humble was smart to move to an undisclosed location outside of the US. Typical.
Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm
This is alot of hooey if you ask me. I've used MMS on SEVERAL occasions with great success for ridding myself of colds and flu like symptoms. I never had any side effects whatsoever. I only take two or three drops of the MMS you don't need more and Jim Humble says so himself. This is bunk, pure and simple. Bob - Original Message - From: Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm This comment was on the page: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/207531-Snake-Oil-Humbles-Nexus-Conference Colloidal Silver has been recently re-classified as a 'pesticide' and can now only be sold as 'water purification drops' by outlets previously stocking it. Just wondering if it is true? Janet MaryAnn Helland wrote: This *expose* of MMS came through on another list -- thought it might be of interest to some here. MA http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212938-FDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm-from-Drinking-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-MMS __._,_.___ Reply to sender mailto:vitam...@earthlink.net?subject=fda-warns-consumers-of-serious-harm-from-drinking-miracle-mineral-solution-mms | Reply to group mailto:vitaroyalforhor...@yahoogroups.com?subject=fda-warns-consumers-of-serious-harm-from-drinking-miracle-mineral-solution-mms | Reply via web post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vitaroyalforhorses/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYWJjdGl2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxMTI1MDM2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARtc2dJZAM5OTY2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI4MDYzNzI4MA--?act=replymessageNum=9966 | Start a New Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vitaroyalforhorses/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbGFzdm1vBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxMTI1MDM2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyODA2MzcyODA- Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vitaroyalforhorses/message/9966;_ylc=X3oDMTM1Ym5kczIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxMTI1MDM2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARtc2dJZAM5OTY2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI4MDYzNzI4MAR0cGNJZAM5OTY2 (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vitaroyalforhorses;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbGt1YjZkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxMTI1MDM2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyODA2MzcyODA- MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog Cat Answers Center. http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oiit896/M=493064.13814537.14041040.10835568/D=groups/S=1705154384:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1280644480/L=193f8226-9d26-11df-bd8f-ff1eee5629f8/B=8BE4GUPDhEw-/J=1280637280241421/K=DO0pcGKj7OfoBrZplF81nw/A=6078812/R=0/SIG=114ae4ln1/*http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/ Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15om4u3fg/M=493064.13983314.14041046.13298430/D=groups/S=1705154384:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1280644480/L=193f8226-9d26-11df-bd8f-ff1eee5629f8/B=7xE4GUPDhEw-/J=1280637280241421/K=DO0pcGKj7OfoBrZplF81nw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj Hobbies Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests. http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15okd2hdk/M=493064.14012770.13963757.13298430/D=groups/S=1705154384:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1280644480/L=193f8226-9d26-11df-bd8f-ff1eee5629f8/B=8RE4GUPDhEw-/J=1280637280241421/K=DO0pcGKj7OfoBrZplF81nw/A=6015306/R=0/SIG=11vlkvigg/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/hobbiesandactivitieszone/ Yahoo! Groups http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlN2pzYjZxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxMTI1MDM2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTI4MDYzNzI4MA-- Switch to: Text-Only mailto:vitaroyalforhorses-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=change%20delivery%20format:%20Traditional, Daily Digest mailto:vitaroyalforhorses-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=email%20delivery:%20Digest • Unsubscribe mailto:vitaroyalforhorses-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=unsubscribe • Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . __,_._,___ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm
Steve G, Agreed. I have used MMS on several occasions with great success and no side effects whatsoever. Also, Mr. Humble recommends only 2 or 3 drops, not 20 or 30 or more as this article says. Ridiculous. - Original Message - From: Steve G To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:13 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm In reference to the FDA scare warning at http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212938-FDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm-from-Drinking-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-MMS Let's see. Thousands of people around the world take this stuff daily or weekly. Thousands have been shown to be cured of malaria, HIV, AIDS, cancer, flu, colds, and many other illnesses. Has helped some recover from lupus and/or diabetes. Germs and viruses can't become immune to it. No research has been done by any recognized research lab or by the FDA. You can't patent the stuff so there is no way for the FDA or big pharmacy to make any money off this stuff. The worst side-effect anybody has gotten when following directions is mild nausea, occasional vomiting, and temporary diarrhea. Guess how many people die each year from FDA approved prescription medication? And now the FDA wants to scare everyone away from it. I figure so many people are turning to something that is cheap and works that it is having an impact on a profitable industry. Jim Humble was smart to move to an undisclosed location outside of the US. Typical.
Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm
MMS is good to take Bob...wish I read this a month ago and still lingering on symptoms... carol From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 5:15:31 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm This is alot of hooey if you ask me. I've used MMS on SEVERAL occasions with great success for ridding myself of colds and flu like symptoms. I never had any side effects whatsoever. I only take two or three drops of the MMS you don't need more and Jim Humble says so himself. This is bunk, pure and simple. Bob - Original Message - From: Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm This comment was on the page: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/207531-Snake-Oil-Humbles-Nexus-Conference Colloidal Silver has been recently re-classified as a 'pesticide' and can now only be sold as 'water purification drops' by outlets previously stocking it. Just wondering if it is true? Janet MaryAnn Helland wrote: This *expose* of MMS came through on another list -- thought it might be of interest to some here. MA http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212938-FDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm-from-Drinking-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-MMS S __._,_.___ Reply to sender mailto:vitam...@earthlink.net?subject=fda-warns-consumers-of-serious-harm-from-drinking-miracle-mineral-solution-mms | Reply to group mailto:vitaroyalforhor...@yahoogroups.com?subject=fda-warns-consumers-of-serious-harm-from-drinking-miracle-mineral-solution-mms | Reply via web post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vitaroyalforhorses/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYWJjdGl2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxMTI1MDM2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARtc2dJZAM5OTY2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI4MDYzNzI4MA--?act=replymessageNum=9966 | Start a New Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vitaroyalforhorses/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbGFzdm1vBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxMTI1MDM2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyODA2MzcyODA- Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vitaroyalforhorses/message/9966;_ylc=X3oDMTM1Ym5kczIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxMTI1MDM2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARtc2dJZAM5OTY2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI4MDYzNzI4MAR0cGNJZAM5OTY2 (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vitaroyalforhorses;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbGt1YjZkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxMTI1MDM2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyODA2MzcyODA- MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog Cat Answers Center. http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oiit896/M=493064.13814537.14041040.10835568/D=groups/S=1705154384:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1280644480/L=193f8226-9d26-11df-bd8f-ff1eee5629f8/B=8BE4GUPDhEw-/J=1280637280241421/K=DO0pcGKj7OfoBrZplF81nw/A=6078812/R=0/SIG=114ae4ln1/*http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/ Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15om4u3fg/M=493064.13983314.14041046.13298430/D=groups/S=1705154384:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1280644480/L=193f8226-9d26-11df-bd8f-ff1eee5629f8/B=7xE4GUPDhEw-/J=1280637280241421/K=DO0pcGKj7OfoBrZplF81nw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj Hobbies Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests. http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15okd2hdk/M=493064.14012770.13963757.13298430/D=groups/S=1705154384:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1280644480/L=193f8226-9d26-11df-bd8f-ff1eee5629f8/B=8RE4GUPDhEw-/J=1280637280241421/K=DO0pcGKj7OfoBrZplF81nw/A=6015306/R=0/SIG=11vlkvigg/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/hobbiesandactivitieszone/ Yahoo! Groups http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlN2pzYjZxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxMTI1MDM2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTI4MDYzNzI4MA-- Switch to: Text-Only mailto:vitaroyalforhorses-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=change%20delivery%20format:%20Traditional, Daily Digest mailto:vitaroyalforhorses-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=email%20delivery:%20Digest • Unsubscribe mailto:vitaroyalforhorses-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=unsubscribe • Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm
The thing is, don't write in to us, write in to them and tell them of your good experiences and how MMS may have been abused! We already know it works. PT - Original Message - From: Bob Banever To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm Steve G, Agreed. I have used MMS on several occasions with great success and no side effects whatsoever. Also, Mr. Humble recommends only 2 or 3 drops, not 20 or 30 or more as this article says. Ridiculous. - Original Message - From: Steve G To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:13 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm In reference to the FDA scare warning at http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212938-FDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm-from-Drinking-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-MMS Let's see. Thousands of people around the world take this stuff daily or weekly. Thousands have been shown to be cured of malaria, HIV, AIDS, cancer, flu, colds, and many other illnesses. Has helped some recover from lupus and/or diabetes. Germs and viruses can't become immune to it. No research has been done by any recognized research lab or by the FDA. You can't patent the stuff so there is no way for the FDA or big pharmacy to make any money off this stuff. The worst side-effect anybody has gotten when following directions is mild nausea, occasional vomiting, and temporary diarrhea. Guess how many people die each year from FDA approved prescription medication? And now the FDA wants to scare everyone away from it. I figure so many people are turning to something that is cheap and works that it is having an impact on a profitable industry. Jim Humble was smart to move to an undisclosed location outside of the US. Typical.
Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm
some people have reported a worsening of a heart condition (which was in Humble's book as a caution). On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Steve G wrote: In reference to the FDA scare warning at http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212938-FDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm-from-Drinking-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-MMS Let's see. Thousands of people around the world take this stuff daily or weekly. Thousands have been shown to be cured of malaria, HIV, AIDS, cancer, flu, colds, and many other illnesses. Has helped some recover from lupus and/or diabetes. Germs and viruses can't become immune to it. No research has been done by any recognized research lab or by the FDA. You can't patent the stuff so there is no way for the FDA or big pharmacy to make any money off this stuff. The worst side-effect anybody has gotten when following directions is mild nausea, occasional vomiting, and temporary diarrhea. Guess how many people die each year from FDA approved prescription medication? And now the FDA wants to scare everyone away from it. I figure so many people are turning to something that is cheap and works that it is having an impact on a profitable industry. Jim Humble was smart to move to an undisclosed location outside of the US. Typical.
Re: CSFDA approval
I'll not let the FDA decide that either way. If I think it will be useful, I'll use it, no matter what they say. An anti believer is just as *controlled* as a believer. Examine your gods and chose whichever one answers your current prayers. When the prayers change, change gods with the one that works and let the others be just as jealous as they want to be. If they can't take care of themselves without your faith, they ain't worth the worship. Ode At 11:46 AM 2/8/2010 -0500, you wrote: I agree. Many times I have put down something I was looking at maybe purchasing when I saw those words Approved by te FDA. That is one big red flag for me, and I am not taking anything that says that on it, and hope to keep it that way. Marshall John E. Stevens wrote: Dick: I think you're daydreaming... I don't think CSW (silver) will ever be approved by the FDA because it isn't patentable and King Pharma couldn't make any money on it. Silver was used as a natural antibiotic extensively before pharmaceuticals came (sickly) into their own. The fact that most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by the FDA, as you say, doesn't carry much weight with the folks who know the power of silver. And anything approved by the FDA is something I, personally, wouldn't use. Not even aspirin... What the FDA approves is very dangerous to life and living, as is exemplified over and over again. John On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: I understand that. Most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by all the TLAs out there: FDA, AMA, FTC, ... But if silver were FDA approved, then it could be given the legitimacy of advertising, doctor Rx, etc., that the other meds have. And best of all, we would own all the proceeds, not big pharma. But that would be just icing on the cake. It would require that somebody set up a company to do the work, and that it have thousands of investors to fund it. I would certainly contribute. Dick *From:* martsmai...@aol.com mailto:martsmai...@aol.com martsmai...@aol.com mailto:martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 5, 2010 10:21:03 PM *Subject:* Re: CSFDA approval By the time we convince the rest of the world. We will all be dead. How many people have you told and they think it is crazy. I used to tell people that were dying of mesothelioma to help improve their immune system. Remember these people are dying. Very few listen... In a message dated 2/5/2010 6:52:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes: There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval [Trigger word, beware of rant]
Man is always playing god. Worshipping this one or that one is also playing god, the god of defaults. If you take it upon yourself, you are playing your own god. It doesn't matter what a doctor wants to do if his patients keep him locked up in an approval box in self defense, made to make friends with powers that can fight off the onslaught. [ A god of self defense] It's not that doctors love the Pharmthey have no choice if they want to remain being doctors. Why bother to learn something you can't USE? And the people IN the Pharm are not evil Devils out to kill everybody. [Well, maybe the sales division ] But it does sort of work like every other religion where God gets the credit when it goes well and the Devil gets the blame when it doesn't..but no one wants to claim or invade Hell, and God is impervious to complaint and the worshipper at every level is off the hook so long as he attends church paying the lawyer priests their dues. You, however, are not in that box and can make any choice you want to, legal or not. All you need to worry about is losing your license to stay alive and if you lose that, making a living doesn't count. No one is depending on you to be right but you. and kicking yourself in the head is hard to do if you aren't right. Your kids might try to chain you down, though. [Shhh] [or buddy up with a life insurance company ] Ode At 12:03 PM 2/8/2010 -0600, you wrote: I dunno Ode, I don't think most doctors are the good guys. MOST of them don't even question the garbage they're taught in medical school. They don't look for underlying cause of disease, or learn anything new, or look at the newest research. They'll tell you it's all in your head when they have the lab work in front of them that tells the story, then they try to fob you off by throwing drug cocktails at you, or antidepressants. There are a FEW doctors out there, out of the many who do try to learn new ways and information, but they ARE few. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Ode Coyote wrote: Who made who what king? The problem is that people believe that doctors are gods with all the answers and if they get one wrong, because no two people are the same. they can sue them. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Annie, you are so right. Most of the competent doctors I knew have all crossed over, and the ones I still might know is somehow held hostage by some government affiliated agency or organisation, so they can't praxis as freely as they would like to. The doctors we have left have been taught and lectured by those who have been funded by the pharma companies and their lobbyists who get their monies from everywhere. I feel sorry for those people who still entrust their lives and health to these men in white coats, but everyone must make their own decisions and experience their own consequences. Aldi On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote: There are a FEW doctors out there, out of the many who do try to learn new ways and information, but they ARE few. And I know for a fact the big Pharma pays what amounts to bribes, in education grants and research grants, for the different medical societies to support their drugs by writing prescriptions and squashing any natural substance that might be a better solution. Even something as simple as the nutrients in food a scoffed at as a way back to health. And doctors are not trained at all in nutrition. They're trained to write scripts for conditions.The various medical publications censor anything that challenges the status quo.
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Who made who what king? The problem is that people believe that doctors are gods with all the answers and if they get one wrong, because no two people are the same. they can sue them. That puts otherwise caring individuals [doctors] inside a box of rules from which they cannot wander without a great deal of risk...and an industry to feed that box with approved substances..approved by another bunch that can't afford to test anything because the people that set them up to make those decisions FOR them, won't pay for what it takes to do that. So now it's EXTREMELY expensive partly because now it's that industry that can be sued when no two people are the same and THEY have to pay for all that testing.which gives them a really good reason to fudge the data. Most of those substances do originate from foods and herbs which people could eat and use, but don't. Doing so entails taking your OWN risks and maybe actually learning something the hard way. And those people expect to live forever with someone else to blame when it's not looking likely, but don't and never did. And those people believe that foods and herbs can't be just as poisonous as the substances derived from them. The problem is unreasonable expectations with some one else set up to take the blame when they are what they are. You can step out of that box of limits, but then. it's all on YOU. [And suing yourself for not being a god doesn't pay very well] Can't have THAT. Most people don't have the guts to live their own life, but blame the jailers for the cage they won't leave even when there is no lock on the door. If you HAVE stepped out, the cage is no longer relevant and any complaints are just BS. You can step in AND out at will, but now that's YOUR will and no one to blame for where you areany complaints are just BS again. I mean, you go to the doctor because YOU believe that if you don't, YOU believe you will be dead. If you don't go you will be dead and if you die after you do...it's the DOCTORS fault. [??] Even if he isn't a god and DID screw it up, had you not gone, you'd still be gone, according to YOU. Just because you hand the risk off, paying someone else to take it, doesn't mean there isn't any. In the wilderness where natural is natural and Loony Toons expectations get you dead and ice is slippery and cliffs have this nasty habit of keeping gravity around...there's no one to watch your step but you. You can scream at the sky all you want. The sky doesn't care and it's not going to pay. But it will send some buzzards to take care of your body should you screw it up. I think I might just prefer a fast grizzly over a slow death, left helplessly begging for it, too frail to even shoot myself and some poor sucker left to clean up. At least somebody gets a decent meal out of it and I won't be torturing myself for years on end using someone else because I'M afraid of something that will happen no matter what ANYONE does. The only thing anyone has is some degree of influence. NO ONE is in charge. If you believe someone else is, all you are doing is limiting your own influence and making your decision to not decide, their fault. It's not much of a wonder that a hired fall guy wants to be paid well to be hung when he's not the GOD that no one is. He just ain't gonna buy the rope you string him up with. Only Jesus carries his own cross without you paying guards to make him do it. If it ain't your life to lose, it ain't yours to live. And if you gave it away and somebody else looses it for ya, is there really a difference in the end? ..other than maybe making a lot of smoke and noise spinning your wheels before the crashnot likely. And of course, driving with the emergency brake on wastes a lot of pricey gas, makes your wheels hot and the scenery go by so slow and dull that you go to sleep at the wheel and crash anyway. Every turn is a blind turn. If you keep going, you might hit something and eventually will, but if you stop, you get run over for sure. Approval seekers are but wieners inviting somebody else to bite their buns...demanding some king to do it so they can blame him for their lack of teeth. Where there is a demand, there *shalt be* a supply. The only question is the cost. Kings get to demand their own price by default. What is it that keeps the serf from just walking off the manor? I never could figger out why anyone with legs would stay in a ghetto when anywhere else couldn't be worse and walking will get you somewhere else every time. This ain't it isn't the prison, it's what sets you free to find what IS it. Hope is a trap, despair is power that can no longer be denied. Who defines what despair is ??? [It ain't the king..HE wants you to hope because if you don't, he's done.] Hope AND change? Not a chance. There's an old saying: Hope in one hand and shit in the other..then see which grows flowers faster or
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I agree. Many times I have put down something I was looking at maybe purchasing when I saw those words Approved by te FDA. That is one big red flag for me, and I am not taking anything that says that on it, and hope to keep it that way. Marshall John E. Stevens wrote: Dick: I think you're daydreaming... I don't think CSW (silver) will ever be approved by the FDA because it isn't patentable and King Pharma couldn't make any money on it. Silver was used as a natural antibiotic extensively before pharmaceuticals came (sickly) into their own. The fact that most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by the FDA, as you say, doesn't carry much weight with the folks who know the power of silver. And anything approved by the FDA is something I, personally, wouldn't use. Not even aspirin... What the FDA approves is very dangerous to life and living, as is exemplified over and over again. John On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: I understand that. Most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by all the TLAs out there: FDA, AMA, FTC, ... But if silver were FDA approved, then it could be given the legitimacy of advertising, doctor Rx, etc., that the other meds have. And best of all, we would own all the proceeds, not big pharma. But that would be just icing on the cake. It would require that somebody set up a company to do the work, and that it have thousands of investors to fund it. I would certainly contribute. Dick *From:* martsmai...@aol.com mailto:martsmai...@aol.com martsmai...@aol.com mailto:martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 5, 2010 10:21:03 PM *Subject:* Re: CSFDA approval By the time we convince the rest of the world. We will all be dead. How many people have you told and they think it is crazy. I used to tell people that were dying of mesothelioma to help improve their immune system. Remember these people are dying. Very few listen... In a message dated 2/5/2010 6:52:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes: There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval [Trigger word, beware of rant]
I dunno Ode, I don't think most doctors are the good guys. MOST of them don't even question the garbage they're taught in medical school. They don't look for underlying cause of disease, or learn anything new, or look at the newest research. They'll tell you it's all in your head when they have the lab work in front of them that tells the story, then they try to fob you off by throwing drug cocktails at you, or antidepressants. There are a FEW doctors out there, out of the many who do try to learn new ways and information, but they ARE few. And I know for a fact the big Pharma pays what amounts to bribes, in education grants and research grants, for the different medical societies to support their drugs by writing prescriptions and squashing any natural substance that might be a better solution. Even something as simple as the nutrients in food a scoffed at as a way back to health. And doctors are not trained at all in nutrition. They're trained to write scripts for conditions.The various medical publications censor anything that challenges the status quo. Just look at the dust up over Armour vs Synthroid, and that's just ONE example. A licensed MD did research on why people were showing signs of Hypothyroidism even when the lab tests say they're fine, and got solid data, and the Medical Journal he sent it to would not publish it, because they say it can't be right, even with hard data from thousands of patients. In my opinion the AMA, FDA, and Pharmas need to be sued for collusion until they don't have a pot to pee in, as the saying goes. The AMA, and the FDA have made the pharmaceutical industry king as you say. And anyone who threatens their profit will get run over and run out of the medical profession on a rail, and probably be discredited and lose their license as well. Just look what happened to that poor guy who sells Cansema. The FDA lied and cheated to illegally have him brought back to the US. That man hasn't killed anyone. But medical doctors and FDA approved drugs have, and not one of them are in jail for murder. And as far as I'm concerned it IS murder. And yes herbs are nothing to play with, they are very powerful, but generally speaking safer than the synthetic unnatural chemicals that are man made. I believe this to be true because the whole plant has things in it that work together. I also believe that there are plants that can cure just about anything that ails mankind. Because the plants evolved with us. That's why the GMO stuff is so dangerous. Man playing God. Whatever Universal Intelligence or God you worship and believe in, mankind thinks they can do better than that being. They try to make man made molecules because they can't become rich and profit from other's misfortune, so they create a chemical disaster. I am sure that yes, doctors and drugs have helped many, but they have the blood of many on their hands as well. And yeah the pharmaceutical industry bases some of their drugs on plants, but they're still an unnatural molecule, and generally based on one chemical from a plant, when plants have may chemicals in them. So why would a synthetic man made version of what is natural in the plant be better than the natural chemical? Just look at Synthroid, it's a mirror of the human thyroid hormone, and by mirror I mean it's exactly the same but it's backwards. Some people do alright with it, and others it does nothing for at all. But they'll tell you it's all in your head if you say it's not doing what it's supposed to do. But there have been several lawsuits against the manufacturer because it makes people's hair fall out, and in a lot of cases it's permanent. There are also other problems with it as well. So maybe it makes sense that so many drugs have bad effects. They have to twist something that is natural in order to patent it and sell it. And it all comes down to money. If it wasn't all about money then the few hundreds of people that suffer from the rare diseases would have drugs to help them too. The drug companies will straight out say they can't make any money on drugs for those people, so nothing is done. And yet the FDA will lynch anyone who tries to help them and others who don't want to poisoned. Ahhh, the debate can go round and round forever. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Ode Coyote wrote: Who made who what king? The problem is that people believe that doctors are gods with all the answers and if they get one wrong, because no two people are the same. they can sue them. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Very good points, ladies. The med schools have been skewed since the early 1900's when JD Rockefeller owned most of King Pharma. He, and Abraham Fletchner pushed a law through Congress around 1910 that made using foods and nutrients as medicines illegal. Then with his multi-million dollar grants to all of the med schools, he controlled the curriculum that doctors studied. Now, David Rockefeller, his grandson, owns (much in the shadows) at least 85% of all the pharmaceutical companies. And the line goes on and on. It's my philosophy that one needs to carefully look at their own health (individualistically) and the health history of their immediate families to detect any health weaknesses that may afflict them. At that point, one can research the possibility of preventing that possible affliction with foods and nutrients. Herbs and plants could be used, but one needs to carefully research them prior to use. I think prevention is the main key to good health - aside from eating the right foods and drinking pure water. We cannot avoid some of the dangers of technological advances (or de-vances) and pollution, but we can strengthen our overall systems to combat them. It's a big fight in remaining healthy in a sick world... John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote: I dunno Ode, I don't think most doctors are the good guys. MOST of them don't even question the garbage they're taught in medical school. They don't look for underlying cause of disease, or learn anything new, or look at the newest research. They'll tell you it's all in your head when they have the lab work in front of them that tells the story, then they try to fob you off by throwing drug cocktails at you, or antidepressants. There are a FEW doctors out there, out of the many who do try to learn new ways and information, but they ARE few. And I know for a fact the big Pharma pays what amounts to bribes, in education grants and research grants, for the different medical societies to support their drugs by writing prescriptions and squashing any natural substance that might be a better solution. Even something as simple as the nutrients in food a scoffed at as a way back to health. And doctors are not trained at all in nutrition. They're trained to write scripts for conditions.The various medical publications censor anything that challenges the status quo. Just look at the dust up over Armour vs Synthroid, and that's just ONE example. A licensed MD did research on why people were showing signs of Hypothyroidism even when the lab tests say they're fine, and got solid data, and the Medical Journal he sent it to would not publish it, because they say it can't be right, even with hard data from thousands of patients. In my opinion the AMA, FDA, and Pharmas need to be sued for collusion until they don't have a pot to pee in, as the saying goes. The AMA, and the FDA have made the pharmaceutical industry king as you say. And anyone who threatens their profit will get run over and run out of the medical profession on a rail, and probably be discredited and lose their license as well. Just look what happened to that poor guy who sells Cansema. The FDA lied and cheated to illegally have him brought back to the US. That man hasn't killed anyone. But medical doctors and FDA approved drugs have, and not one of them are in jail for murder. And as far as I'm concerned it IS murder. And yes herbs are nothing to play with, they are very powerful, but generally speaking safer than the synthetic unnatural chemicals that are man made. I believe this to be true because the whole plant has things in it that work together. I also believe that there are plants that can cure just about anything that ails mankind. Because the plants evolved with us. That's why the GMO stuff is so dangerous. Man playing God. Whatever Universal Intelligence or God you worship and believe in, mankind thinks they can do better than that being. They try to make man made molecules because they can't become rich and profit from other's misfortune, so they create a chemical disaster. I am sure that yes, doctors and drugs have helped many, but they have the blood of many on their hands as well. And yeah the pharmaceutical industry bases some of their drugs on plants, but they're still an unnatural molecule, and generally based on one chemical from a plant, when plants have may chemicals in them. So why would a synthetic man made version of what is natural in the plant be better than the natural chemical? Just look at Synthroid, it's a mirror of the human thyroid hormone, and by mirror I mean it's exactly the same but it's backwards. Some people do alright with it, and others it does nothing for at all. But they'll tell you it's all in your head if you say it's not doing what it's supposed to do. But there have been several lawsuits against the manufacturer because it makes people's hair fall out,
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Yup..and I think it was someone on this list that made the original inquiry. Specific questions got a specific answer for a change. Quoting from Alexander G. Schauss, Ph.D. (John Hopkins University) you should be advised that we recently completed an extensive review of the scientific literature on the afety of silver, especially as it relates to its one known potential side effect, namely, Argyria. Argyia is an irreversible discoloration of the pigment (skin) caused by excessive silver intake or chronic exposure to silver by certain tissues. The amount of silver required to develop Argyria is estimated to be 3.8 grams per day. That's the first time I've heard the Per Day statement and the minimum seems to range between 2 and 4 grams depending on who's talking, usually with no time period specified or considering any hint of an elimination or absorption rate.which sort of leaves us with a few tough to define assumptions about *retention* being a huge factor. PHD [Piled higher and deeper, once again ] I think I could probably swallow a One Troy Ounce Silver Eagle every day from now on and not retain any significant amount of silver. [Then drown in a pool of water due to having so much ballast...but it was da silver whut killed im. ] It's that very lack of context that makes all the dosing recommendations I've run across [so far ] totally worthless. Paraphrasing Mike D If it worked, it was enough. Adding If more still doesn't work, do that differently till it does, or try something else. ..and once the reason for doing it doesn't apply, forgetting to do it is easy...so quit. ..and there's more than one way to turn blue. Being dead is one of them. Ode At 03:37 PM 2/6/2010 -0800, you wrote: Hello Ode, I am sure you have seen this FDA communication... http://www.happyherbalist.com/fda_report.htm I found the language very interesting. Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:42 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA approval If you need approval for everything you do, you'll never do anything. The very reason we make EIS and use it is because we are CHEAP and don't give a hoot WHAT the FDA says. Besides Even the FDA can't afford to test things to their own standards. Their final word [in so many words] reads like: We don't know, we don't want to know, we've found no reason to want to knowso shut up and do what you want tojust don't make claims and we won't have to come down there and slap you ..and if you ASK, we'll just say no to cover our buttocks.so don't ask. [Likewise with the Product Safety Commissionif we don't know, just say no to be safe.] Not proven safe and effective [FDA double talk] just means it hasn't been tested, which ISN'T proof of being unsafe or ineffective. The FDA situation is such that they can't afford to prove ANYTHING and have to rely on those that CAN afford to...which can have a few problems now and then. But then, yanking something from the shelves to cover their buttocks in the face of a consumer scare, has happened many times. But never with EIS. They are far more concerned with what's ON bottle, than what's in it. FOIA request has established that the FDA has no matching records concerning EIS of any reported cases, yea OR nay. If it works, no harm done.if it doesn't.loop back to the medical establishment. [and maybe the SAME harm done that would have happened anyway, had you not tried. ] Ode At 04:52 PM 2/5/2010 -0800, you wrote: There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Tom, Thanks This is best info I have ever seen Thanks In a message dated 2/7/2010 8:52:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, odecoy...@windstream.net writes: www.happyherbalist.com/fda_report.htm
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At 01:25 PM 2/6/2010, you wrote: Dick: The fact that most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by the FDA, as you say, doesn't carry much weight with the folks who know the power of silver. Doesn't carry much weight with me for sure, since my brother nearly died from an FDA approved blood pressure med that did kill several others who took it. sol
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This is brilliant! I have kept it so show sceptics. dee On 7 Feb 2010, at 15:28, martsmai...@aol.com wrote: Tom, Thanks This is best info I have ever seen Thanks In a message dated 2/7/2010 8:52:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, odecoy...@windstream.net writes: www.happyherbalist.com/fda_report.htm
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Sol: The FDA and King Pharma trade representatives (individuals) back and forth like playing checkers. One drug rep goes to the FDA as one FDA rep goes to King Pharma. They're all in cahoots and I don't trust anything they do. Their tests are skewed in favor of whatever company has paid them the most. Money talks and good health walks. Hypertension is often indicative of a heart and circulatory problem - not a high blood pressure problem. Just what are these idiots analyzing, anyway? They don't treat the real problem, they treat one of the symptoms of the real problem. Allopathic medicine seems to side-step most of the real health concerns of most individuals. I think the human physiologists (i.e., Hulda R. Clark) may be more on the right track. They study the entire body. With King Pharma controlling (and they have since the early 1900's) most of the curriculum that med students study at med school, I don't have much faith in where they're headed - which is mostly to make more money for King Pharma and their constituents while good folks think they're being treated well - when in fact they're being treated on a continual basis just to ensure more payments to the King. and usually treated poorly. Do they cure? No. just treat. And mostly, they treat until you die. Wonderful principles, huh? It's so far off track it's dizzying. Whatever happened to the Hippocratic Oath? I think it's more of a Hypocritical Oath these days... I think everyone has to ask the very serious question: Where does our health come from? Chemicals or foods? Are our bodies more used to being healed and treated with food or pharmaceutical drugs? We can't and don't live off drugs and chemicals. Our bodies would never sustain itself on drugs and chemicals. We get our nutrients and sustenance from foods - and that is where the majority of natural cures are found. In balancing out exactly what nutrients our body (and that's very individualistic) needs to not only prevent disease, but to treat and cure (that four letter word never used by King Pharma...) disease. That cannot be found in chemicals and pharmaceutical drugs. and I don't think it ever will be... John On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:44 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: At 01:25 PM 2/6/2010, you wrote: Dick: The fact that most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by the FDA, as you say, doesn't carry much weight with the folks who know the power of silver. Doesn't carry much weight with me for sure, since my brother nearly died from an FDA approved blood pressure med that did kill several others who took it. sol
Re: CSFDA approval
Hello Ode, I would speculate that if you turned blue when you drowned in the pool, they would insist that it was the silver... :) Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 6:15 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA approval Yup..and I think it was someone on this list that made the original inquiry. Specific questions got a specific answer for a change. Quoting from Alexander G. Schauss, Ph.D. (John Hopkins University) you should be advised that we recently completed an extensive review of the scientific literature on the afety of silver, especially as it relates to its one known potential side effect, namely, Argyria. Argyia is an irreversible discoloration of the pigment (skin) caused by excessive silver intake or chronic exposure to silver by certain tissues. The amount of silver required to develop Argyria is estimated to be 3.8 grams per day. That's the first time I've heard the Per Day statement and the minimum seems to range between 2 and 4 grams depending on who's talking, usually with no time period specified or considering any hint of an elimination or absorption rate.which sort of leaves us with a few tough to define assumptions about *retention* being a huge factor. PHD [Piled higher and deeper, once again ] I think I could probably swallow a One Troy Ounce Silver Eagle every day from now on and not retain any significant amount of silver. [Then drown in a pool of water due to having so much ballast...but it was da silver whut killed im. ] It's that very lack of context that makes all the dosing recommendations I've run across [so far ] totally worthless. Paraphrasing Mike D If it worked, it was enough. Adding If more still doesn't work, do that differently till it does, or try something else. ..and once the reason for doing it doesn't apply, forgetting to do it is easy...so quit. ..and there's more than one way to turn blue. Being dead is one of them. Ode At 03:37 PM 2/6/2010 -0800, you wrote: Hello Ode, I am sure you have seen this FDA communication... http://www.happyherbalist.com/fda_report.htm I found the language very interesting. Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:42 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA approval If you need approval for everything you do, you'll never do anything. The very reason we make EIS and use it is because we are CHEAP and don't give a hoot WHAT the FDA says. Besides Even the FDA can't afford to test things to their own standards. Their final word [in so many words] reads like: We don't know, we don't want to know, we've found no reason to want to knowso shut up and do what you want tojust don't make claims and we won't have to come down there and slap you ..and if you ASK, we'll just say no to cover our buttocks.so don't ask. [Likewise with the Product Safety Commissionif we don't know, just say no to be safe.] Not proven safe and effective [FDA double talk] just means it hasn't been tested, which ISN'T proof of being unsafe or ineffective. The FDA situation is such that they can't afford to prove ANYTHING and have to rely on those that CAN afford to...which can have a few problems now and then. But then, yanking something from the shelves to cover their buttocks in the face of a consumer scare, has happened many times. But never with EIS. They are far more concerned with what's ON bottle, than what's in it. FOIA request has established that the FDA has no matching records concerning EIS of any reported cases, yea OR nay. If it works, no harm done.if it doesn't.loop back to the medical establishment. [and maybe the SAME harm done that would have happened anyway, had you not tried. ] Ode At 04:52 PM 2/5/2010 -0800, you wrote: There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver
Re: CSFDA approval
Paraphrasing David G. Williams 'Disease is not a drug deficit'... Dan On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:59 PM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: Sol: The FDA and King Pharma trade representatives (individuals) back and forth like playing checkers. One drug rep goes to the FDA as one FDA rep goes to King Pharma. They're all in cahoots and I don't trust anything they do. Their tests are skewed in favor of whatever company has paid them the most. Money talks and good health walks. Hypertension is often indicative of a heart and circulatory problem - not a high blood pressure problem. Just what are these idiots analyzing, anyway? They don't treat the real problem, they treat one of the symptoms of the real problem. Allopathic medicine seems to side-step most of the real health concerns of most individuals. I think the human physiologists (i.e., Hulda R. Clark) may be more on the right track. They study the entire body. With King Pharma controlling (and they have since the early 1900's) most of the curriculum that med students study at med school, I don't have much faith in where they're headed - which is mostly to make more money for King Pharma and their constituents while good folks think they're being treated well - when in fact they're being treated on a continual basis just to ensure more payments to the King. and usually treated poorly. Do they cure? No. just treat. And mostly, they treat until you die. Wonderful principles, huh? It's so far off track it's dizzying. Whatever happened to the Hippocratic Oath? I think it's more of a Hypocritical Oath these days... I think everyone has to ask the very serious question: Where does our health come from? Chemicals or foods? Are our bodies more used to being healed and treated with food or pharmaceutical drugs? We can't and don't live off drugs and chemicals. Our bodies would never sustain itself on drugs and chemicals. We get our nutrients and sustenance from foods - and that is where the majority of natural cures are found. In balancing out exactly what nutrients our body (and that's very individualistic) needs to not only prevent disease, but to treat and cure (that four letter word never used by King Pharma...) disease. That cannot be found in chemicals and pharmaceutical drugs. and I don't think it ever will be... John On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:44 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: At 01:25 PM 2/6/2010, you wrote: Dick: The fact that most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by the FDA, as you say, doesn't carry much weight with the folks who know the power of silver. Doesn't carry much weight with me for sure, since my brother nearly died from an FDA approved blood pressure med that did kill several others who took it. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval
Oh Lord that hit my funny bone...Bwahahahahaha.. Sorry I have the weirdest sense of humor. Disease is a health deficit ; Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Dan Nave wrote: Paraphrasing David G. Williams 'Disease is not a drug deficit'... Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval
If you need approval for everything you do, you'll never do anything. The very reason we make EIS and use it is because we are CHEAP and don't give a hoot WHAT the FDA says. Besides Even the FDA can't afford to test things to their own standards. Their final word [in so many words] reads like: We don't know, we don't want to know, we've found no reason to want to knowso shut up and do what you want tojust don't make claims and we won't have to come down there and slap you ..and if you ASK, we'll just say no to cover our buttocks.so don't ask. [Likewise with the Product Safety Commissionif we don't know, just say no to be safe.] Not proven safe and effective [FDA double talk] just means it hasn't been tested, which ISN'T proof of being unsafe or ineffective. The FDA situation is such that they can't afford to prove ANYTHING and have to rely on those that CAN afford to...which can have a few problems now and then. But then, yanking something from the shelves to cover their buttocks in the face of a consumer scare, has happened many times. But never with EIS. They are far more concerned with what's ON bottle, than what's in it. FOIA request has established that the FDA has no matching records concerning EIS of any reported cases, yea OR nay. If it works, no harm done.if it doesn't.loop back to the medical establishment. [and maybe the SAME harm done that would have happened anyway, had you not tried. ] Ode At 04:52 PM 2/5/2010 -0800, you wrote: There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval
I understand that. Most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by all the TLAs out there: FDA, AMA, FTC, ... But if silver were FDA approved, then it could be given the legitimacy of advertising, doctor Rx, etc., that the other meds have. And best of all, we would own all the proceeds, not big pharma. But that would be just icing on the cake. It would require that somebody set up a company to do the work, and that it have thousands of investors to fund it. I would certainly contribute. Dick From: martsmai...@aol.com martsmai...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 10:21:03 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA approval By the time we convince the rest of the world. We will all be dead. How many people have you told and they think it is crazy. I used to tell people that were dying of mesothelioma to help improve their immune system. Remember these people are dying. Very few listen... In a message dated 2/5/2010 6:52:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes: There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval
Dick: I think you're daydreaming... I don't think CSW (silver) will ever be approved by the FDA because it isn't patentable and King Pharma couldn't make any money on it. Silver was used as a natural antibiotic extensively before pharmaceuticals came (sickly) into their own. The fact that most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by the FDA, as you say, doesn't carry much weight with the folks who know the power of silver. And anything approved by the FDA is something I, personally, wouldn't use. Not even aspirin... What the FDA approves is very dangerous to life and living, as is exemplified over and over again. John On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.comwrote: I understand that. Most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by all the TLAs out there: FDA, AMA, FTC, ... But if silver were FDA approved, then it could be given the legitimacy of advertising, doctor Rx, etc., that the other meds have. And best of all, we would own all the proceeds, not big pharma. But that would be just icing on the cake. It would require that somebody set up a company to do the work, and that it have thousands of investors to fund it. I would certainly contribute. Dick -- *From:* martsmai...@aol.com martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 5, 2010 10:21:03 PM *Subject:* Re: CSFDA approval By the time we convince the rest of the world. We will all be dead. How many people have you told and they think it is crazy. I used to tell people that were dying of mesothelioma to help improve their immune system. Remember these people are dying. Very few listen... In a message dated 2/5/2010 6:52:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes: There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval
Hello Dick, Politically, I don't think it would be possible to get EIS approved by the FDA. However, it would be possible to look at what they require as far as testing goes, and run some tests along the same lines. These test results could be published and updated as new data surfaces. If this database of testing was kept on a website outside the US, they couldn't even come after us for crulty to animals... I think that people should go to their medical professional, get a diagnosis and testing to prove that there is something amiss. Then they can use EIS and go back to make sure everything has cleared up. This is still anecdotal, but it carries a lot more weight if there are laboratory tests showing before and after. After a few thousand of these, you have almost the equilivent of a clinical trial. If a few of these clinical trial equalivents showed that EIS is effective, it may elevate it to the status of off label consideration. It is still not going to go mainstream, but it may get some attention. Some of the main arguments against alternative treatments are that there is no quality control, there is no clinical proof of effectiveness, and there is no clinical proof of safety. If those 3 things can be addressed, they will probably come up with more objections, but it would be a great starting point. Tom - Original Message - From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: CSFDA approval There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval
Hello Ode, I am sure you have seen this FDA communication... http://www.happyherbalist.com/fda_report.htm I found the language very interesting. Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:42 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA approval If you need approval for everything you do, you'll never do anything. The very reason we make EIS and use it is because we are CHEAP and don't give a hoot WHAT the FDA says. Besides Even the FDA can't afford to test things to their own standards. Their final word [in so many words] reads like: We don't know, we don't want to know, we've found no reason to want to knowso shut up and do what you want tojust don't make claims and we won't have to come down there and slap you ..and if you ASK, we'll just say no to cover our buttocks.so don't ask. [Likewise with the Product Safety Commissionif we don't know, just say no to be safe.] Not proven safe and effective [FDA double talk] just means it hasn't been tested, which ISN'T proof of being unsafe or ineffective. The FDA situation is such that they can't afford to prove ANYTHING and have to rely on those that CAN afford to...which can have a few problems now and then. But then, yanking something from the shelves to cover their buttocks in the face of a consumer scare, has happened many times. But never with EIS. They are far more concerned with what's ON bottle, than what's in it. FOIA request has established that the FDA has no matching records concerning EIS of any reported cases, yea OR nay. If it works, no harm done.if it doesn't.loop back to the medical establishment. [and maybe the SAME harm done that would have happened anyway, had you not tried. ] Ode At 04:52 PM 2/5/2010 -0800, you wrote: There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFDA approval
There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval
By the time we convince the rest of the world. We will all be dead. How many people have you told and they think it is crazy. I used to tell people that were dying of mesothelioma to help improve their immune system. Remember these people are dying. Very few listen... In a message dated 2/5/2010 6:52:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes: There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFDA dupes Interpol to achieve illegal kidnapping and deportation of herbal formulator Greg Caton
http://www.naturalnews.com/z027750_Greg_Caton_FDA.html Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA bans vitamin B6
Oh Okay, I get it. Thanks, Paula - Original Message - From: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA bans vitamin B6 No Paula, it's two separate substances. I was just pointing out that the FDA declaring a naturally-occuring nutrient to be an illegal drug after Big Pharma managed to patent their synthetic version of it is not a new thing. indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA bans vitamin B6
No Paula, it's two separate substances. I was just pointing out that the FDA declaring a naturally-occuring nutrient to be an illegal drug after Big Pharma managed to patent their synthetic version of it is not a new thing. indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFDA bans vitamin B6
Heard on coast to coast the other night. Stock up, B6 has now been banned as an illegal drug: http://newworldliberty.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/government-gone-wild-organic-vitamin-b6-banned/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/7yj8o/fda_declares_form_of_vitamin_b6_a_drug/ http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=116_1234680922 http://current.com/items/89816643/fda_declares_form_of_vitamin_b6_a_drug.htm Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA bans vitamin B6
Not B6 per se, but pyridoxamine -- a naturally occurring form of B6 -- has now been classed an illegal drug, at the behest of BigPharma. Outrageous as that is, it isn't the first time: http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/redyeastrice.htm On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:06:20AM -0500, Marshall Dudley wrote: Heard on coast to coast the other night. Stock up, B6 has now been banned as an illegal drug: http://newworldliberty.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/government-gone-wild-organic-vitamin-b6-banned/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/7yj8o/fda_declares_form_of_vitamin_b6_a_drug/ http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=116_1234680922 http://current.com/items/89816643/fda_declares_form_of_vitamin_b6_a_drug.htm Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use.
Re: CSFDA bans vitamin B6
I'm confused. Is the pyridoxamine, red yeast rice or was that an error? I want to buy some B-6. What is the best kind to buy? Does anyone know? Paula - Original Message - From: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA bans vitamin B6 Not B6 per se, but pyridoxamine -- a naturally occurring form of B6 -- has now been classed an illegal drug, at the behest of BigPharma. Outrageous as that is, it isn't the first time: http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/redyeastrice.htm On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:06:20AM -0500, Marshall Dudley wrote: Heard on coast to coast the other night. Stock up, B6 has now been banned as an illegal drug: http://newworldliberty.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/government-gone-wild-organic-vitamin-b6-banned/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/7yj8o/fda_declares_form_of_vitamin_b6_a_drug/ http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=116_1234680922 http://current.com/items/89816643/fda_declares_form_of_vitamin_b6_a_drug.htm Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use.
CSFDA to Look at Nano-products...Again
Hi folks, I received the following from Faith Gagne... Mike D. --- Forwarded message follows --- From: Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net Subject:Re: FDA to Look at Nano-products...Again Date sent: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:52:40 -5 Hi Mike, I am on the mailing list of the Center for Food Safety. They email me from time to time when they want support for the issues on food safety they are pushing with government agencies and the like. They have my name, address and email address and they send me form letters already signed by me (so to speak) so that all I have to do is Okay it by clicking a submit button. Usually I am very willing to support the issues they bring up, but I did not do that this time. I do not like their premise that nano-products like nanosilver MAY be dangerous, MAY cause cell death, MAY have a risk of increased toxicity, MAY be potentially hazardous to human health, etc., etc.. They are raising a lot of red flags with absolutely no proof whatsoever. It seems a little ironic that the FDA is supporting some nanotech products now when they are the ones who took CS off the market years ago. Anyway, I emailed the Center for Food Safety, refusing to sign their letter, and telling them why. They and their scientists must first come up with some proof of all these allegations before they will get my approval. I wondered if the letter they wanted me to sign would be of interest to the group, and if you would be interested in posting it. I just thought people should know about this and maybe even write the CFA themselves. Please let me know. thanks. Best Wishes, Faith - Original Message - From: Center for Food Safety To: Faith Gagne Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: FDA to Look at Nano-products...Again FDA to Look at Nano-products...Again Dear Faith, The Food and Drug Administration is once again holding an information gathering public meeting on nanotechnology, a powerful new technology for taking apart and reconstructing nature at the atomic and molecular level. Like Yogi Berra said, it's déjà vu all over again. FDA held the same meeting two years ago, in autumn 2006. Even then, the agency was behind the curve: Many products that contain unlabeled nanomaterials, including food and food packaging products, were already on market shelves. Now, two years have passed since that meeting and the agency's continuing stance can be aptly summarized as all talk, no action. Many new nano-products continue to come to market, at an average of four to five a week. Unfortunately nano-products are still treated by FDA like any other products or product ingredients; yet scientists agree that nanomaterials are fundamentally different substances that create new and unique risks to human health and the environment and need new forms of safety testing. A public comment period is open now through October 24, 2008 - Take action now! Send a letter to the following decision maker(s): Docket No. 2008-N-0416 c/o The Center for Food Safety Below is the sample letter: Subject: Docket No. 2008-N-0416 and Docket No. 2006P-0210 Dear [decision maker name automatically inserted here], Division of Dockets Management (HFA-305) Food and Drug Administration 5630 Fishers Lane, Room 1061 Rockville, MD 20852 Comments on Docket No. 2008-N-0416 and Docket No. 2006P-0210(FDA regulation of nanotechnology materials; public meeting) I write to express my serious concerns about the FDA's regulatory oversight of nanomaterials in consumer products. Hundreds of consumer products containing manufactured nanomaterials are already available on U.S. market shelves, including food and food packaging products. New nanomaterial products are coming out at a rate of four to five a week. In the absence of labeling, public debate or laws to ensure safety, products created using nanotechnology have entered the food chain. Millions of dollars are being spent by government and industry to apply nanotechnology in areas of food processing, food packaging, and agricultural production. Industry analysts estimate that there are between 150-600 nano-foods and 400-500 nano-food packaging products already on market shelves worldwide. Scientists have found that the fundamental properties of matter can change at the nano-scale, creating physical and chemical properties distinct from those of the same material in bulk form. We know that the new properties of nanomaterials also create new risks, like enhanced toxicity, and there is a growing library of scientific studies
RE: CSFDA to Look at Nano-products...Again
I think there is a legitimate issue here. Industry and commercial interests constantly abuse things for profit, and silver will be no exception. Just look at the history of companies including cocaine and opium in an increasing multitude of over the counter and everyday products, including those intended for babies... Often, regulation is called for, but the most simplistic way is a ban. Silver kills germs just as antibiotics do. Left to itself, commercial interests would indiscriminately use antibiotics for everything, in an environmentally abusive manner, as they have done. Silver is a similar thing and would be abused similarly. It has it's place and should be used responsibly. The issue of other substances which are true 'nanoparticles' may also have unfortunate effects and should be looked at. Dan -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 5:56 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFDA to Look at Nano-products...Again Hi folks, I received the following from Faith Gagne... Mike D. --- Forwarded message follows --- From: Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net Subject: Re: FDA to Look at Nano-products...Again Date sent:Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:52:40 -5 Hi Mike, I am on the mailing list of the Center for Food Safety. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
The common denominator is us. We want something that has inherent difficulties without the difficulties. Any solution to those difficulties is the wrong one because we want the something that has those difficulties to solve but don't want what it takes to solve them. Classic Can't have it both ways Safe AND cheap. Their profits, depend entirely upon our desires, so they have no choice but to do what they do when juggling opposites to try and please us enough to remain customers. If they don't find some cheap way to make cheap food safe, we won't have anything TO buy EXCEPT local, grown and picked by us at our labor rates...and we don't want to pay that price, which is why we buy from them. They CANNOT sell something that we won't buy. If they can't sell it, they are out of business. Period. A recall is not a sale. It's *pure loss* that they believe consumers will not pay, confirmed by the fact that we DO buy that cheap food rather than the local food that *does* encompass the cost of safety without using questionable measures to achieve it. But there is another limit. Define local Truly Local food is completely seasonal. Beans and salt pork all winter like it used to be. At least the South gets fresh collards with that. If we want food that's not local for the variety, back to square one...transport, distribution and the same difficulties... no matter who grew it at what cost, by whatever method. More hands, more problems. Does that redneck collards grower always wash his hands? Is not organic fertilizer poop ? Was there some reason that people used to traditionally wilt their lettuce in boiling water? Is irradiation really worse for nutrition than canning? It's easy to tell someone to not do something when it's not you that has to do it. Evils are, always were and always will be relative to what YOU are willing to do. What happens if they just throw up their hands with the impossibilities of it all? Local cannot take up the variety slack, even IF, it is better done, and there is no guarantee it always will be. I suppose we could all become farmers and transport ourselves around with the seasons. OK Yank. Feel like a bit of Tex/Mex tonight? Good luck. Dried apples and half rotted cabbage with carcinogen smoked sausage again, you old sour kraut. Just look back 80 years and see what diet was like. STILL had Salmonella cases. In 1964 there was no such thing as broccoli or cauliflower on a Southern grocery store shelf. Corn, collards, butter beans and black eyed peas, no other veggies. Plenty of Tripe though. Ode At 12:34 PM 8/23/2008 -0700, you wrote: Massive agricultural corporations with long shipping routes from uninspected international countries with lower hygiene standards must destroy food enzymes and foreign contaminants so the product won't rot along with their profits. Or you could just buy local food and vote for politicians that would enforce our antitrust laws. - Original Message - From: mailto:p...@vif.comPeter Converse To: mailto:jessi...@optonline.netjessie70 ; mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:51 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Hi All, Kurt may be off topic but who can say that he is reporting inaccurately? We need to wake up and speak up for ourselves and our children! Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: mailto:jessi...@optonline.netjessie70 To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RE: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables TRUE -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM To: mailto:jwilliams...@cfl.rr.comjwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; mailto:agman...@aol.comagman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; mailto:dduf...@aol.comdduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
To unmix contexts. Growers hybridize and use refrigerated transport to reduce spoilage. [You can't buy a tasty tomato in a store any more, they are bred to ship. Refrigerating tomatoes spoils them. ] Irradiation is for germs on the surface to prevent massive recalls of *not* spoiled foods. If it were spoiled, it would not have sold...people don't buy spoiled food and a lot of it does spoil and most gets thrown away before it does..go look in a store dumpster any day. Irradiation only kills what's there now and doesn't stop what may get there to spoil the food later..like mold spoors that are everywhere and ethylene gas naturally emitted by the food as it ages. The bacteria DOESN'T spoil the food, it just makes it dangerous to eat.that's the problem. The buyers AND sellers can't tell, because, it ISN'T spoiled. The more recent really big recalls due to bacterial contamination originated in the USA, not some foreign country with low standards. That put several big businesses out of business, because their profits ARE marginal. The big money comes with big volume as does the big loss when that big volume gets recalled. Antitrust laws are for when one company controls the entire market. The food industry is by no means a monopoly. There are thousands of companies, big and small. The little ones roasted by a recall don't make headlines. The big ones make better more sensational targets. ode At 05:32 PM 8/23/2008 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: mailto:dr...@earthlink.netJames McCourt, Ph.D. To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Massive agricultural corporations with long shipping routes from uninspected international countries with lower hygiene standards must destroy food enzymes and foreign contaminants so the product won't rot along with their profits. Or you could just buy local food and vote for politicians that would enforce our antitrust laws. I am for voting for our politicians who enforce our antitrust laws. Perhaps Google would produce such a list. Faith G. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1631 - Release Date: 8/24/2008 12:15 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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MessageI hope Kurt keeps them on this list. That way I'll get to see them, too. R I enjoy reading Kurt's posts and find them enjoyable. If the posts are on the OT list, then there really shouldn't be a problem. Also, it's not just the neocons doing it to us, but the same old old cons as well (just my 2 cents worth!! lol) Deb
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
Food spoils eventually, there are always problems and sometimes mistakes. When this happens, it is not always someone's fault. As a nation, we need to get over it. Things happen, life is not without risk. Once again, when the public, or significant interested parties, like a large business, demand a no risk situation, it leads to more regulation, more pesticides, which can lead to worse problems than the one they are meant to solve. As Ode says, it is not always a foreign country with lax standards or no oversight. Many of our small organic farmers were deeply hurt by the floods last year, probably all the small farmers. I also read the other day some woman who said that hybridizing was the same as genetic engineering, which is a bald faced lie- she is a biologist, and works for GE, so I guess you could expect her to disseminate such disinformation, but it still angers me. When people such as she say such lies, it really muddies the issue for the lay reader. I really don't blame them for being so ignorant- one really must spend time to find out what is going on. It also does not hurt to have a good education, and to be taught to think for yourself- which is a fast disappearing quality in the schools, what with the push for national standards which by their very nature turn out test taking graduates, instead of people that can think independently. sigh rant over for now. Kathryn On Aug 25, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: To unmix contexts. Growers hybridize and use refrigerated transport to reduce spoilage. [You can't buy a tasty tomato in a store any more, they are bred to ship. Refrigerating tomatoes spoils them. ] Irradiation is for germs on the surface to prevent massive recalls of *not* spoiled foods. If it were spoiled, it would not have sold...people don't buy spoiled food and a lot of it does spoil and most gets thrown away before it does..go look in a store dumpster any day. Irradiation only kills what's there now and doesn't stop what may get there to spoil the food later..like mold spoors that are everywhere and ethylene gas naturally emitted by the food as it ages. The bacteria DOESN'T spoil the food, it just makes it dangerous to eat.that's the problem. The buyers AND sellers can't tell, because, it ISN'T spoiled. The more recent really big recalls due to bacterial contamination originated in the USA, not some foreign country with low standards. That put several big businesses out of business, because their profits ARE marginal. The big money comes with big volume as does the big loss when that big volume gets recalled. Antitrust laws are for when one company controls the entire market. The food industry is by no means a monopoly. There are thousands of companies, big and small. The little ones roasted by a recall don't make headlines. The big ones make better more sensational targets. ode At 05:32 PM 8/23/2008 -0400, you wrote: I am for voting for our politicians who enforce our antitrust laws. Perhaps Google would produce such a list. Faith G. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
Sadly, this is 100% true. It has been a policy of the neocons for many years to sicken the population and prevent us from taking charge of our health. The sicker we become, the more pharmaceuticals we will consume. This is a conspiracy of Big Pharma and our government. It is no longer a secret, they are openly defying our Constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This is fascism, pure an simple... the marriage of multi-national corporations with government. They want us to be slaves to their dangerous and ineffectual products, and they don't care if we die in the process. Bob - Original Message - From: James McCourt, Ph.D. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Massive agricultural corporations with long shipping routes from uninspected international countries with lower hygiene standards must destroy food enzymes and foreign contaminants so the product won't rot along with their profits. Or you could just buy local food and vote for politicians that would enforce our antitrust laws. - Original Message - From: Peter Converse To: jessie70 ; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:51 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Hi All, Kurt may be off topic but who can say that he is reporting inaccurately? We need to wake up and speak up for ourselves and our children! Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: jessie70 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RE: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables TRUE -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM To: jwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; agman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; dduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
Careful there Bob, you don't want to be labeled as paranoid do you??? it's too late for me!!! LOL Kurt bbanever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Sadly, this is 100% true. It has been a policy of the neocons for many years to sicken the population and prevent us from taking charge of our health. The sicker we become, the more pharmaceuticals we will consume. This is a conspiracy of Big Pharma and our government. It is no longer a secret, they are openly defying our Constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This is fascism, pure an simple... the marriage of multi-national corporations with government. They want us to be slaves to their dangerous and ineffectual products, and they don't care if we die in the process. Bob - Original Message - From: James McCourt, Ph.D. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Massive agricultural corporations with long shipping routes from uninspected international countries with lower hygiene standards must destroy food enzymes and foreign contaminants so the product won't rot along with their profits. Or you could just buy local food and vote for politicians that would enforce our antitrust laws. - Original Message - From: Peter Converse To: jessie70 ; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:51 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Hi All, Kurt may be off topic but who can say that he is reporting inaccurately? We need to wake up and speak up for ourselves and our children! Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: jessie70 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RE: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables TRUE -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM To: jwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; agman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; dduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
I enjoy reading Kurt's posts and find them enjoyable. If the posts are on the OT list, then there really shouldn't be a problem. Also, it's not just the neocons doing it to us, but the same old old cons as well (just my 2 cents worth!! lol) Deb -Original Message- From: bbanever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Sadly, this is 100% true. It has been a policy of the neocons for many years to sicken the population and prevent us from taking charge of our health. The sicker we become, the more pharmaceuticals we will consume. This is a conspiracy of Big Pharma and our government. It is no longer a secret, they are openly defying our Constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This is fascism, pure an simple... the marriage of multi-national corporations with government. They want us to be slaves to their dangerous and ineffectual products, and they don't care if we die in the process. Bob - Original Message - From: James mailto:dr...@earthlink.net McCourt, Ph.D. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Massive agricultural corporations with long shipping routes from uninspected international countries with lower hygiene standards must destroy food enzymes and foreign contaminants so the product won't rot along with their profits. Or you could just buy local food and vote for politicians that would enforce our antitrust laws. - Original Message - From: Peter Converse mailto:p...@vif.com To: jessie70 mailto:jessi...@optonline.net ; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:51 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Hi All, Kurt may be off topic but who can say that he is reporting inaccurately? We need to wake up and speak up for ourselves and our children! Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: jessie70 mailto:jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RE: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables TRUE -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM To: jwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; agman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; dduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
RE: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
Thanks Deb! :) Carl Deb Charter carl...@charter.net wrote: I enjoy reading Kurt's posts and find them enjoyable. If the posts are on the OT list, then there really shouldn't be a problem. Also, it's not just the neocons doing it to us, but the same old old cons as well (just my 2 cents worth!! lol) Deb -Original Message- From: bbanever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Sadly, this is 100% true. It has been a policy of the neocons for many years to sicken the population and prevent us from taking charge of our health. The sicker we become, the more pharmaceuticals we will consume. This is a conspiracy of Big Pharma and our government. It is no longer a secret, they are openly defying our Constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This is fascism, pure an simple... the marriage of multi-national corporations with government. They want us to be slaves to their dangerous and ineffectual products, and they don't care if we die in the process. Bob - Original Message - From: James mailto:dr...@earthlink.net McCourt, Ph.D. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Massive agricultural corporations with long shipping routes from uninspected international countries with lower hygiene standards must destroy food enzymes and foreign contaminants so the product won't rot along with their profits. Or you could just buy local food and vote for politicians that would enforce our antitrust laws. - Original Message - From: Peter Converse mailto:p...@vif.com To: jessie70 mailto:jessi...@optonline.net ; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:51 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Hi All, Kurt may be off topic but who can say that he is reporting inaccurately? We need to wake up and speak up for ourselves and our children! Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: jessie70 mailto:jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RE: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables TRUE -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM To: jwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; agman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; dduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
I find them repetitious. -Original Message- From: Carl Deb Charter [mailto:carl...@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I enjoy reading Kurt's posts and find them enjoyable. If the posts are on the OT list, then there really shouldn't be a problem. Also, it's not just the neocons doing it to us, but the same old old cons as well (just my 2 cents worth!! lol) Deb -Original Message- From: bbanever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Sadly, this is 100% true. It has been a policy of the neocons for many years to sicken the population and prevent us from taking charge of our health. The sicker we become, the more pharmaceuticals we will consume. This is a conspiracy of Big Pharma and our government. It is no longer a secret, they are openly defying our Constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This is fascism, pure an simple... the marriage of multi-national corporations with government. They want us to be slaves to their dangerous and ineffectual products, and they don't care if we die in the process. Bob - Original Message - From: James mailto:dr...@earthlink.net McCourt, Ph.D. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Massive agricultural corporations with long shipping routes from uninspected international countries with lower hygiene standards must destroy food enzymes and foreign contaminants so the product won't rot along with their profits. Or you could just buy local food and vote for politicians that would enforce our antitrust laws. - Original Message - From: Peter Converse mailto:p...@vif.com To: jessie70 mailto:jessi...@optonline.net ; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:51 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Hi All, Kurt may be off topic but who can say that he is reporting inaccurately? We need to wake up and speak up for ourselves and our children! Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: jessie70 mailto:jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RE: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables TRUE -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM To: jwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; agman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; dduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
RE: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
Partly true with enormous case by case qualifications and conflicts in intent. Ode At 06:24 PM 8/22/2008 -0400, you wrote: TRUE -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM To: jwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; agman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; dduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton mailto:day.sut...@gmail.comday.sut...@gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1628 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:32 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
Hi All, Kurt may be off topic but who can say that he is reporting inaccurately? We need to wake up and speak up for ourselves and our children! Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: jessie70 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RE: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables TRUE -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM To: jwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; agman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; dduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: CSFDA Unleashes- david
Hi, David, or you could do as I do and don't read this junk. I happened to read your reply, as Mike piqued my interest with his post, so I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I do have to admit, that it is distracting, and I have limited energy in the first place. I prefer to read positive material, as I have found that a constant influx of negativity affects my health. Hope you stick around, Kathryn On Aug 22, 2008, at 2:47 PM, David Bearrow wrote: I'm seriously considering unsubscribing from this list due to paranoid delusionary posts such as this one which have nothing to do with the topic of colloidal silver. Its not even cleverly done by offering cs as an alternative antibacterial spray. This post is about manipulating emotion. It states a bunch of hypothesis as facts and offers nothing to back it up. This post is typical of kmilkowski's posts. Paranoid conspiracy off topic posts which divide the list and lead to more off topic posting. Its terribly distracting and its going to drive me away. David At 11:56 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: FDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Mike Adams, Aug 22, 2008 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA Unleashes - hear hear! Kirsteen
I agree with Kirsteen wholeheartedly. If it comes to a vote, I vote to ban this sort of posting. - Kathryn On Aug 22, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Kirsteen Wright wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM, David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net wrote: I have to admit I was trying to persuade a friend of mine about the benefits of CS. He had a look at the posts on my compter as he had a few questions. Unfortunately it was just as a few of kmilkowski's posts came in about the goverment deliberately killing everyone off etc. He concluded that if this was the type of person whp posted to the list then we were nothing but a bunch of crackpot conspiracy theorists and he wanted nothing to do with CS. You can say it's his loss but it is hard to persuade people about the credibility of CS when they see so many posts like these. Kirsteen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
I unsubbed to the OT list so I would not have to deal with this kind of thing. On Aug 22, 2008, at 5:34 PM, Day Sutton wrote: I'll subscribe again (possible for the 3rd time) I keep forgetting to look at it. I would miss so much like this. The OT has so much squabble that I can't keep looking at it.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA Unleashes - hear hear! Kirsteen
I agree with banning this sort of posting that goes on and on. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes - hear hear! Kirsteen I agree with Kirsteen wholeheartedly. If it comes to a vote, I vote to ban this sort of posting. - Kathryn On Aug 22, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Kirsteen Wright wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM, David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net wrote: I have to admit I was trying to persuade a friend of mine about the benefits of CS. He had a look at the posts on my compter as he had a few questions. Unfortunately it was just as a few of kmilkowski's posts came in about the goverment deliberately killing everyone off etc. He concluded that if this was the type of person whp posted to the list then we were nothing but a bunch of crackpot conspiracy theorists and he wanted nothing to do with CS. You can say it's his loss but it is hard to persuade people about the credibility of CS when they see so many posts like these. Kirsteen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
Thanks Peter! I know you don't get to see this information on tv or read it in the doctors office, but at least you can read it here and make your own decision. I figured people here were tired of letting other people make thier decisions for them, that's why they're here?? The subject is always clearly marked, so if it doesn't look to be of interest, delete. Kurt Peter Converse p...@vif.com wrote: Hi All, Kurt may be off topic but who can say that he is reporting inaccurately? We need to wake up and speak up for ourselves and our children! Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: jessie70 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RE: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables TRUE -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM To: jwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; agman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; dduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
Massive agricultural corporations with long shipping routes from uninspected international countries with lower hygiene standards must destroy food enzymes and foreign contaminants so the product won't rot along with their profits. Or you could just buy local food and vote for politicians that would enforce our antitrust laws. - Original Message - From: Peter Converse To: jessie70 ; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:51 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Hi All, Kurt may be off topic but who can say that he is reporting inaccurately? We need to wake up and speak up for ourselves and our children! Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: jessie70 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RE: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables TRUE -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM To: jwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; agman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; dduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
- Original Message - From: James McCourt, Ph.D. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Massive agricultural corporations with long shipping routes from uninspected international countries with lower hygiene standards must destroy food enzymes and foreign contaminants so the product won't rot along with their profits. Or you could just buy local food and vote for politicians that would enforce our antitrust laws. I am for voting for our politicians who enforce our antitrust laws. Perhaps Google would produce such a list. Faith G.
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
- Original Message - From: James McCourt, Ph.D. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Massive agricultural corporations with long shipping routes from uninspected international countries with lower hygiene standards must destroy food enzymes and foreign contaminants so the product won't rot along with their profits. Or you could just buy local food and vote for politicians that would enforce our antitrust laws. . I googled it and here are some of the articles I found. None of them seem to be good news. Faith G. The Sherman Anti-Trust Law is Evil American Way of Life The Corporate Media The Problems of Privatization Techdirt: Shocker: Politicians Play Politics With Antitrust Law Antitrust posts - Politics and Law - CNET News.com Do Antitrust Laws Preserve Competition?| The Foundation for ...
CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
FDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Mike Adams, Aug 22, 2008 The FDA has announced that beginning today, spinach and lettuce sold across the United States may now be secretly irradiated before it reaches grocery store shelves. What's secret about it? The FDA previously decided that irradiation warning stickers would not be required on any food items because it would be too confusing to consumers. (The word IRRADIATION apparently has too many letters to be understood to food buyers.) Thus, irradiated foods will not be labeled as such, and consumers are going to be left in the dark about all this (except for those who actually eat the irradiated food, in which case they will glow in the dark). The FDA, of course, insists that the levels of irradiation used to kill e.coli will have no effect whatsoever on the nutritional value of the food. This astonishing statement comes from an agency that doesn't believe food has any nutritional value in the first place, so lowering the value to zero by destroying all the phytonutrients does not, in the opinion of the FDA, alter its nutritional value at all. Thus, destroying all the anti-cancer nutrients in a head of broccoli merely brings that broccoli into compliance as a non-functional food, according to the FDA. Radiation, of course, destroys delicate phytochemicals in plants -- the very phytochemicals protecting consumers against cancer, heart disease, high cholesterol, inflammation and other diseases. Microwaving broccoli, for example, destroys up to 98% of its anti-cancer nutrients. (The FDA has not yet acknowledged this scientific fact, either.) In a similar way, irradiating food destroys much of its nutritional content, including vitamins, carotenoids, anthocyanins and other delicate protective nutrients that are right now providing the last, desperate nutritional defense against the American diet of meat, milk, fried foods and processed junk. Irradiating fresh produce will leave the U.S. Population is a state of extreme deficiency in protective plant-based nutrients. Does the FDA plan to destroy the health of the U.S. Population? Many people suspect that's what the FDA really wants. A nutritionally-deficient, disease-ridden population would mean a windfall of profits for the FDA's buddies in Big Pharma -- the folks who sell patented medications at monopoly prices. With the food supply destroyed by radiation, ordinary people would have virtually no remaining sources of protective phytonutrients! In promoting this food radiation policy, the FDA has accomplished what all the terrorists in the world could not: The mass irradiation of the U.S. Food supply -- much like setting off a dirty bomb over the nation's farms (but with less radiation). This destruction of the nutritional value of the food supply is a far greater threat to the health of the U.S. Population than any terrorist event, including 9/11. And yet it is being done by our own people, TO our own people, by a lawless agency that answers to no one. FDA officials are not voted into office by the People; they are appointed by politicians. They answer to no one, they refuse to follow federal law, and they operate as tyrants over a quarter of the U.S. Economy. And now they have taken it upon themselves to destroy the national food supply. We should be more than just alarmed -- we should be outraged! The FDA has committed an act of war against the People. With this decision, the FDA has firmly positioned itself as an enemy of the People, and a bringer of death and disease to the nation. Why are our elected representatives in Washington allowing this madness? Think about this: If the FDA has its way: All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed All your children will be vaccinated All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals All your free speech about health will be suppressed All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! Today it's spinach and lettuce; tomorrow it's all fresh produce Don't think the FDA will stop with spinach and lettuce, either. They're already talking about irradiating tomatoes, peppers and onions. Before long, radiation could become mandatory for ALL fresh produce, and all the fresh fruits and vegetables that are supposed to contain health-protecting nutrients will be transformed into sterile, inert plant mass with no health benefits at all. (Brilliant scam, huh?) This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
I'm seriously considering unsubscribing from this list due to paranoid delusionary posts such as this one which have nothing to do with the topic of colloidal silver. Its not even cleverly done by offering cs as an alternative antibacterial spray. This post is about manipulating emotion. It states a bunch of hypothesis as facts and offers nothing to back it up. This post is typical of kmilkowski's posts. Paranoid conspiracy off topic posts which divide the list and lead to more off topic posting. Its terribly distracting and its going to drive me away. David At 11:56 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: FDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Mike Adams, Aug 22, 2008 The FDA has announced that beginning today, spinach and lettuce sold across the United States may now be secretly irradiated before it reaches grocery store shelves. What's secret about it? The FDA previously decided that irradiation warning stickers would not be required on any food items because it would be too confusing to consumers. (The word IRRADIATION apparently has too many letters to be understood to food buyers.) Thus, irradiated foods will not be labeled as such, and consumers are going to be left in the dark about all this (except for those who actually eat the irradiated food, in which case they will glow in the dark). The FDA, of course, insists that the levels of irradiation used to kill e.coli will have no effect whatsoever on the nutritional value of the food. This astonishing statement comes from an agency that doesn't believe food has any nutritional value in the first place, so lowering the value to zero by destroying all the phytonutrients does not, in the opinion of the FDA, alter its nutritional value at all. Thus, destroying all the anti-cancer nutrients in a head of broccoli merely brings that broccoli into compliance as a non-functional food, according to the FDA. Radiation, of course, destroys delicate phytochemicals in plants -- the very phytochemicals protecting consumers against cancer, heart disease, high cholesterol, inflammation and other diseases. Microwaving broccoli, for example, destroys up to 98% of its anti-cancer nutrients. (The FDA has not yet acknowledged this scientific fact, either.) In a similar way, irradiating food destroys much of its nutritional content, including vitamins, carotenoids, anthocyanins and other delicate protective nutrients that are right now providing the last, desperate nutritional defense against the American diet of meat, milk, fried foods and processed junk. Irradiating fresh produce will leave the U.S. Population is a state of extreme deficiency in protective plant-based nutrients. Does the FDA plan to destroy the health of the U.S. Population? Many people suspect that's what the FDA really wants. A nutritionally-deficient, disease-ridden population would mean a windfall of profits for the FDA's buddies in Big Pharma -- the folks who sell patented medications at monopoly prices. With the food supply destroyed by radiation, ordinary people would have virtually no remaining sources of protective phytonutrients! In promoting this food radiation policy, the FDA has accomplished what all the terrorists in the world could not: The mass irradiation of the U.S. Food supply -- much like setting off a dirty bomb over the nation's farms (but with less radiation). This destruction of the nutritional value of the food supply is a far greater threat to the health of the U.S. Population than any terrorist event, including 9/11. And yet it is being done by our own people, TO our own people, by a lawless agency that answers to no one. FDA officials are not voted into office by the People; they are appointed by politicians. They answer to no one, they refuse to follow federal law, and they operate as tyrants over a quarter of the U.S. Economy. And now they have taken it upon themselves to destroy the national food supply. We should be more than just alarmed -- we should be outraged! The FDA has committed an act of war against the People. With this decision, the FDA has firmly positioned itself as an enemy of the People, and a bringer of death and disease to the nation. Why are our elected representatives in Washington allowing this madness? Think about this: If the FDA has its way:  All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed  All your children will be vaccinated  All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals  All your free speech about health will be suppressed  All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed  Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! Today it's spinach and lettuce; tomorrow it's all fresh produce Don't think the FDA will stop with spinach and lettuce, either. They're already talking about irradiating tomatoes, peppers and onions. Before long, radiation could become
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM, David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net wrote: I'm seriously considering unsubscribing from this list due to paranoid delusionary posts such as this one which have nothing to do with the topic of colloidal silver. I have to admit I was trying to persuade a friend of mine about the benefits of CS. He had a look at the posts on my compter as he had a few questions. Unfortunately it was just as a few of kmilkowski's posts came in about the goverment deliberately killing everyone off etc. He concluded that if this was the type of person whp posted to the list then we were nothing but a bunch of crackpot conspiracy theorists and he wanted nothing to do with CS. You can say it's his loss but it is hard to persuade people about the credibility of CS when they see so many posts like these. Kirsteen
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
Sometimes I wonder if I am paranoid enough--- Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. --G.B. Shaw - Original Message - From: Kirsteen Wright To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM, David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net wrote: I'm seriously considering unsubscribing from this list due to paranoid delusionary posts such as this one which have nothing to do with the topic of colloidal silver. I have to admit I was trying to persuade a friend of mine about the benefits of CS. He had a look at the posts on my compter as he had a few questions. Unfortunately it was just as a few of kmilkowski's posts came in about the goverment deliberately killing everyone off etc. He concluded that if this was the type of person whp posted to the list then we were nothing but a bunch of crackpot conspiracy theorists and he wanted nothing to do with CS. You can say it's his loss but it is hard to persuade people about the credibility of CS when they see so many posts like these. Kirsteen
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
David, Why not simply set up your mail system so that his posts will be automatically deleted? - Original Message - From: David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm seriously considering unsubscribing from this list due to paranoid delusionary posts such as this one which have nothing to do with the topic of colloidal silver. Its not even cleverly done by offering cs as an alternative antibacterial spray. This post is about manipulating emotion. It states a bunch of hypothesis as facts and offers nothing to back it up. This post is typical of kmilkowski's posts. Paranoid conspiracy off topic posts which divide the list and lead to more off topic posting. Its terribly distracting and its going to drive me away. David At 11:56 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: FDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Mike Adams, Aug 22, 2008 The FDA has announced that beginning today, spinach and lettuce sold across the United States may now be secretly irradiated before it reaches grocery store shelves. What's secret about it? The FDA previously decided that irradiation warning stickers would not be required on any food items because it would be too confusing to consumers. (The word IRRADIATION apparently has too many letters to be understood to food buyers.) Thus, irradiated foods will not be labeled as such, and consumers are going to be left in the dark about all this (except for those who actually eat the irradiated food, in which case they will glow in the dark). The FDA, of course, insists that the levels of irradiation used to kill e.coli will have no effect whatsoever on the nutritional value of the food. This astonishing statement comes from an agency that doesn't believe food has any nutritional value in the first place, so lowering the value to zero by destroying all the phytonutrients does not, in the opinion of the FDA, alter its nutritional value at all. Thus, destroying all the anti-cancer nutrients in a head of broccoli merely brings that broccoli into compliance as a non-functional food, according to the FDA. Radiation, of course, destroys delicate phytochemicals in plants -- the very phytochemicals protecting consumers against cancer, heart disease, high cholesterol, inflammation and other diseases. Microwaving broccoli, for example, destroys up to 98% of its anti-cancer nutrients. (The FDA has not yet acknowledged this scientific fact, either.) In a similar way, irradiating food destroys much of its nutritional content, including vitamins, carotenoids, anthocyanins and other delicate protective nutrients that are right now providing the last, desperate nutritional defense against the American diet of meat, milk, fried foods and processed junk. Irradiating fresh produce will leave the U.S. Population is a state of extreme deficiency in protective plant-based nutrients. Does the FDA plan to destroy the health of the U.S. Population? Many people suspect that's what the FDA really wants. A nutritionally-deficient, disease-ridden population would mean a windfall of profits for the FDA's buddies in Big Pharma -- the folks who sell patented medications at monopoly prices. With the food supply destroyed by radiation, ordinary people would have virtually no remaining sources of protective phytonutrients! In promoting this food radiation policy, the FDA has accomplished what all the terrorists in the world could not: The mass irradiation of the U.S. Food supply -- much like setting off a dirty bomb over the nation's farms (but with less radiation). This destruction of the nutritional value of the food supply is a far greater threat to the health of the U.S. Population than any terrorist event, including 9/11. And yet it is being done by our own people, TO our own people, by a lawless agency that answers to no one. FDA officials are not voted into office by the People; they are appointed by politicians. They answer to no one, they refuse to follow federal law, and they operate as tyrants over a quarter of the U.S. Economy. And now they have taken it upon themselves to destroy the national food supply. We should be more than just alarmed -- we should be outraged! The FDA has committed an act of war against the People. With this decision, the FDA has firmly positioned itself as an enemy of the People, and a bringer of death and disease to the nation. Why are our elected representatives in Washington allowing this madness? Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
At 07:37 AM 23/08/2008, you wrote: I think we need a wake up call now and then.. for the wake up call.. I agree, and that's where the Off-Topic List comes in. Subscribe to it, please please. You won't be receiving too many more emails than you do now but at least it would keep the main list on CS clean and on topic, and not send potential new CS people away. Hanneke -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
TRUE -Original Message- From: Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM To: jwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; agman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; dduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
I'll subscribe again (possible for the 3rd time) I keep forgetting to look at it. I would miss so much like this. The OT has so much squabble that I can't keep looking at it.. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:24 PM, jessie70 jessi...@optonline.net wrote: TRUE -Original Message- *From:* Day Sutton [mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2008 6:08 PM *To:* jwilliams...@cfl.rr.com; agman...@aol.com; Bob Olivier; Cameron Sutton; dduf...@aol.com; Elizabeth Grymes; Hannah Coker; Jean Coker; Jim Collins; Lisa Ellis; Silver Post *Subject:* Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm not having any trouble believing this. Most of it is already happening. Do some research.. Conspiracy theory ot not, I think we need a wake up call now and then.. Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling non-irradiated garden vegetables will become a crime! (snip) If you don't believe the FDA wants the public to be sick then just look at the Oncologists, or anything to do with cancer treatment. Already you can't sell any product other than a pharmaceutical that claims to treat or prevent any disease. This is by design. I believe the FDA wants the American public to be sickened and diseased. Why else would they ban Free Speech about healing foods like cherries, broccoli and garlic? Why would they outlaw the selling of herbs and nutritional supplements that claim to treat and prevent disease? The FDA wants you to be sick, enslaved and medicated, and irradiating the food supply is the quickest way to accomplish that. -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
CSFDA Issues Warning on Cipro, and Similar Antibiotics
Published - Jul 08 2008 11:25AM EDT | AP By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR - Associated Press Writer Federal drug safety officials have imposed the government's most urgent warning on Cipro and similar antibiotics, citing risks that they can cause tendon ruptures, a serious injury that leaves some patients incapacitated. The Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday ordered makers of flouroquinolone drugs _ a potent class of antibiotics _ to add a 'black box' warning to their products, which include Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin and other medications. Patients should immediately stop taking the medications if they develop any tendon pain, swelling or inflammation. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFDA to ban Sodium Chlorite/ MMS
Global light posted this in their latest emial posting. Right at the end of the business day, I got a very disappointing call from my supplier for sodium chlorite which is the raw ingredient for making MMS. Aaron advised me that his company has received a notice, presumably from a government agency, that sodium chlorite suppliers have been selling the product to individuals and companies who are using it to make a product intended for human ingestion. They are advised that it is illegal for companies to sell sodium chlorite for that use. Aaron called me immediately, even before he had time to do more research, and he is committed to find a way to continue supplying sodium chlorite to Global Light Network. Frankly, I am not optimistic at all. They have been holding 1,000 pounds of sodium chlorite for us, and we will try to get that last lot released to us, but they will probably be intimidated by the government threat. I think I told the members early on that I expected the government to move in before too long. MMS is simply doing too much good for too many people for them to not move to stop it as they have so many other miracle solutions to sickness and premature death. I thought at first that the FDA would come after the suppliers of MMS. However, I have always thought that the easier way to block MMS would be to choke off the supply of sodium chlorite, and that does seem to be the way they have chosen. Be assured that we will do everything possible to find alternative sources. Since we have grown to be the largest supplier of MMS in the world, this development will certainly have an enormous negative impact on Global Light Network. Therefore, to preserve our supplies as long as possible, effective immediately, we are withdrawing all MMS kits and other bulk packaging from our shopping carts. Additionally, effective immediately, we are no longer offering wholesale or distributor discounts. If and when we are able to secure a reliable source for sodium chlorite, we will again offer kits and discounts to the trade __._,_.___ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA to ban Sodium Chlorite/ MMS
Sorry to hear about this but not surprised. Is there anyway to get around this possibly by adding another compound to it that can easily be neutralized later in the actual MMS production process? I am not sure what other chemical and/or compound would do such but it would be worth checking out wouldn't it? This stuff is just too good to have it go bye-bye. Certain government agencies are getting to the point of getting away with murder by cutting off our freedom to put whatever we want to in our own bodies. Something must be done. We have to take back our country or we are not going to have any freedoms and that is not a laughing matter! I am in the process of finding ways to protect myself from them even if it means I have to go against the proverbial grain. So, I would invite you folks to do the same. Take care and God bless you. Scotty kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Global light posted this in their latest emial posting. Right at the end of the business day, I got a very disappointing call from my supplier for sodium chlorite which is the raw ingredient for making MMS. Aaron advised me that his company has received a notice, presumably from a government agency, that sodium chlorite suppliers have been selling the product to individuals and companies who are using it to make a product intended for human ingestion. They are advised that it is illegal for companies to sell sodium chlorite for that use. Aaron called me immediately, even before he had time to do more research, and he is committed to find a way to continue supplying sodium chlorite to Global Light Network. Frankly, I am not optimistic at all. They have been holding 1,000 pounds of sodium chlorite for us, and we will try to get that last lot released to us, but they will probably be intimidated by the government threat. I think I told the members early on that I expected the government to move in before too long. MMS is simply doing too much good for too many people for them to not move to stop it as they have so many other miracle solutions to sickness and premature death. I thought at first that the FDA would come after the suppliers of MMS. However, I have always thought that the easier way to block MMS would be to choke off the supply of sodium chlorite, and that does seem to be the way they have chosen. Be assured that we will do everything possible to find alternative sources. Since we have grown to be the largest supplier of MMS in the world, this development will certainly have an enormous negative impact on Global Light Network. Therefore, to preserve our supplies as long as possible, effective immediately, we are withdrawing all MMS kits and other bulk packaging from our shopping carts. Additionally, effective immediately, we are no longer offering wholesale or distributor discounts. If and when we are able to secure a reliable source for sodium chlorite, we will again offer kits and discounts to the trade __._,_.___ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: CSFDA to ban Sodium Chlorite/ MMS
Well maybe this stuff will do: http://www.globallight.net/ Right at the end of the business day, I got a very disappointing call from my supplier for sodium chlorite which is the raw ingredient for making MMS. Aaron advised me that his company has received a notice, presumably from a government agency, that sodium chlorite suppliers have been selling the product to individuals and companies who are using it to make a product intended for human ingestion. They are advised that it is illegal for companies to sell sodium chlorite for that use. Aaron called me immediately, even before he had time to do more research, and he is committed to find a way to continue supplying sodium chlorite to Global Light Network. Frankly, I am not optimistic at all. They have been holding 1,000 pounds of sodium chlorite for us, and we will try to get that last lot released to us, but they will probably be intimidated by the government threat. I think I told the members early on that I expected the government to move in before too long. MMS is simply doing too much good for too many people for them to not move to stop it as they have so many other miracle solutions to sickness and premature death. I thought at first that the FDA would come after the suppliers of MMS. However, I have always thought that the easier way to block MMS would be to choke off the supply of sodium chlorite, and that does seem to be the way they have chosen. Be assured that we will do everything possible to find alternative sources. Since we have grown to be the largest supplier of MMS in the world, this development will certainly have an enormous negative impact on Global Light Network. Therefore, to preserve our supplies as long as possible, effective immediately, we are withdrawing all MMS kits and other bulk packaging from our shopping carts. Additionally, effective immediately, we are no longer offering wholesale or distributor discounts. If and when we are able to secure a reliable source for sodium chlorite, we will again offer kits and discounts to the trade. By taking these steps, we should have enough stock to last 3 or 4 months unless there is panic buying. We know that there are many smaller suppliers of MMS, but I am sure none of them have the inventory we have managed to accumulate. For those in Australia, New Zealand and Pacific Rim countries that we can reasonably supply from Australia, there are not currently supply issues. We will take the logical steps to protect our supplies in Australia before a similar action is taken there. I sincerely hope this is a false alarm and, if it is, I will let the membership know as soon as possible and will immediately reinstate all of the discount pricings. One final note: if any member has an idea of how I can solve the supply issue, like Ross Perot used to say, I'm all ears! Several weeks ago I mentioned in the newsletter that the Diamond V Yeast Culture has many of the same benefits as MMS. As the months go by and this seeming crisis unfolds, the Diamond V could become a lot more relevant. That reminds me, when I mentioned the possibility of using MMS for a few months and then the Diamond V for a few months before switching back to MMS, I unintentionally created the impression that there is an inherent problem with using both products at the same time. There is NOT an inherent conflict between MMS and Diamond V. The point that I was trying to make is that both MMS and Diamond V will help the body to throw off toxins, and, thus, if you use both without significantly adjusting application amounts, you could cause a pretty uncomfortable detox response. Ask me how I know. Right now I am working with the Diamond V and not the MMS. I am using a heaping teaspoon of the Diamond V now; but I had to work up to that. I add the Diamond V to an organic grape juice, and then I put in a full teaspoon of Karma Cleanse. I have worked up from a half teaspoon. To elaborate on my present protocol, I am also soaking daily in 2 to 4 ounces of Magnesium Oil with an ounce of Miracle II soap and a quart of apple cider vinegar. The vinegar is intended to help pull out toxins. Speaking of Diamond V, it just occurred to me that since Diamond V was originally intended for horses and cows, it shouldn't surprise us if some alphabet agency decides that feed stores cannot sell Diamond V unless the buyer presents pedigree papers on their livestock. Maybe I am getting cynical . . . what do you think? While I was distracted with other issues this week, we just about ran out of the Krystaline Fuel Additive. We have received more orders than I imagined. Today I ordered another few gallons, and now I will watch inventories more closely. In candor, I have had a situation with our old 1996 Honda Accord that feel I should tell you about. After such amazing results using the KFA for the first tank of gas, the second tank of gas was disappointing and I actually lost a little
Re: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA to ban Sodium Chlorite/ MMS
Scotty, MMS could still be sold if it is advertised as something other than a mineral supplement. Calling it a water purification system might work, along with anything not human or health related. - Original Message - From: Scott To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: CSFDA to ban Sodium Chlorite/ MMS Sorry to hear about this but not surprised. Is there anyway to get around this possibly by adding another compound to it that can easily be neutralized later in the actual MMS production process? I am not sure what other chemical and/or compound would do such but it would be worth checking out wouldn't it? This stuff is just too good to have it go bye-bye. Certain government agencies are getting to the point of getting away with murder by cutting off our freedom to put whatever we want to in our own bodies. Something must be done. We have to take back our country or we are not going to have any freedoms and that is not a laughing matter! I am in the process of finding ways to protect myself from them even if it means I have to go against the proverbial grain. So, I would invite you folks to do the same. Take care and God bless you. Scotty kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Global light posted this in their latest emial posting. Right at the end of the business day, I got a very disappointing call from my supplier for sodium chlorite which is the raw ingredient for making MMS. Aaron advised me that his company has received a notice, presumably from a government agency, that sodium chlorite suppliers have been selling the product to individuals and companies who are using it to make a product intended for human ingestion. They are advised that it is illegal for companies to sell sodium chlorite for that use. Aaron called me immediately, even before he had time to do more research, and he is committed to find a way to continue supplying sodium chlorite to Global Light Network. Frankly, I am not optimistic at all. They have been holding 1,000 pounds of sodium chlorite for us, and we will try to get that last lot released to us, but they will probably be intimidated by the government threat. I think I told the members early on that I expected the government to move in before too long. MMS is simply doing too much good for too many people for them to not move to stop it as they have so many other miracle solutions to sickness and premature death. I thought at first that the FDA would come after the suppliers of MMS. However, I have always thought that the easier way to block MMS would be to choke off the supply of sodium chlorite, and that does seem to be the way they have chosen. Be assured that we will do everything possible to find alternative sources. Since we have grown to be the largest supplier of MMS in the world, this development will certainly have an enormous negative impact on Global Light Network. Therefore, to preserve our supplies as long as possible, effective immediately, we are withdrawing all MMS kits and other bulk packaging from our shopping carts. Additionally, effective immediately, we are no longer offering wholesale or distributor discounts. If and when we are able to secure a reliable source for sodium chlorite, we will again offer kits and discounts to the trade __._,_.___ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
RE: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies
Any further discussion of George Bush will result in suspension of priveleges. The subject is ended. Now. *I* take responsibility for the Iraq war. *I* take responsibility for the poor performance of FEMA during Katrina. So, shut up... The fact that *I* will take no actions and face no consequences, just like George W. Bush, makes it just empty words... So, shut up... Dan HECK OF A JOB, everyone!... -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies A quacking duck is a target. A target is a distraction. This one doesn't dodge and weave... A show, not THE show. ..and most certainly not the *worst* duck. GWB didn't blaze all the trails he happens to be on. Most of this countries problems started a long time ago and have been avoided for many decades. Many of the worlds problems have been avoided for centuries. Pimples do tend to come to a head. ANYONE who happens to be there will get puss all over them when they pop. Presidents actually have very little power. Even less than most Governers. Ode At 07:58 AM 1/22/2008 -0800, you wrote: Ode, Sorry ole buddy, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,... well he's a duck. The all time WORST duck in the history of this great country I might add. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies
A quacking duck is a target. A target is a distraction. This one doesn't dodge and weave... A show, not THE show. ..and most certainly not the *worst* duck. GWB didn't blaze all the trails he happens to be on. Most of this countries problems started a long time ago and have been avoided for many decades. Many of the worlds problems have been avoided for centuries. Pimples do tend to come to a head. ANYONE who happens to be there will get puss all over them when they pop. Presidents actually have very little power. Even less than most Governers. Ode At 07:58 AM 1/22/2008 -0800, you wrote: Ode, Sorry ole buddy, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,... well he's a duck. The all time WORST duck in the history of this great country I might add. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies
*I* take responsibility for the Iraq war. *I* take responsibility for the poor performance of FEMA during Katrina. So, shut up... The fact that *I* will take no actions and face no consequences, just like George W. Bush, makes it just empty words... So, shut up... Dan HECK OF A JOB, everyone!... -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies A quacking duck is a target. A target is a distraction. This one doesn't dodge and weave... A show, not THE show. ..and most certainly not the *worst* duck. GWB didn't blaze all the trails he happens to be on. Most of this countries problems started a long time ago and have been avoided for many decades. Many of the worlds problems have been avoided for centuries. Pimples do tend to come to a head. ANYONE who happens to be there will get puss all over them when they pop. Presidents actually have very little power. Even less than most Governers. Ode At 07:58 AM 1/22/2008 -0800, you wrote: Ode, Sorry ole buddy, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,... well he's a duck. The all time WORST duck in the history of this great country I might add. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies
M. G. Devour, LOL. Good one Dan. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com; odecoy...@alltel.net Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:56 AM Subject: RE: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies Any further discussion of George Bush will result in suspension of priveleges. The subject is ended. Now. *I* take responsibility for the Iraq war. *I* take responsibility for the poor performance of FEMA during Katrina. So, shut up... The fact that *I* will take no actions and face no consequences, just like George W. Bush, makes it just empty words... So, shut up... Dan HECK OF A JOB, everyone!... -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies A quacking duck is a target. A target is a distraction. This one doesn't dodge and weave... A show, not THE show. ..and most certainly not the *worst* duck. GWB didn't blaze all the trails he happens to be on. Most of this countries problems started a long time ago and have been avoided for many decades. Many of the worlds problems have been avoided for centuries. Pimples do tend to come to a head. ANYONE who happens to be there will get puss all over them when they pop. Presidents actually have very little power. Even less than most Governers. Ode At 07:58 AM 1/22/2008 -0800, you wrote: Ode, Sorry ole buddy, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,... well he's a duck. The all time WORST duck in the history of this great country I might add. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
RE: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies
At 07:30 AM 1/21/2008 -0800, you wrote: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: Bush takes blame without protest. Yup, and so must the serial killer or embezzler when all evidence proves him guilty. It's rare that there aren't more key players involved in embezzlement schemes. The old guard Mafia always took care of the paisans who took the heat and protected the family. I've not seen him point a finger to those who really did the screwing up...not that he's never screwed up. [EVERYBODY screws up ] Amazing. People place all the power on his head making him king. If a king isn't perfect, he must be evil. Then when he doesn't have that power, he gets the blame and the Label. BAD king! YES. BAD KING!! BAD DOG! when it's had training yet still poops on the floor, as if it didn't. . It's just they way it isthe crown comes with thorns for those aggressively lobby to wear it. ## There are an awful lot of people who will poop on a floor and point to the dog. Some messes are so crusty and old that the dog can't lick them up... and finding the original pooper leads to a grave yard somewhere. Can't make a dead person clean up anything. Getting someone else to admit a mistake is rarely relevant to solutions to problems, but people who focus on fault over solutions cannot see that, so who-so-ever that doesn't engage in the blame game appears guilty...and if the problem is difficult to solve, incompetent. GWB is a problem solver mentality. How good he is at is debatable...but it is clear that he regularly accepts responsibility that blamers hand him without complaint. He may or may not be a dim bulb, but the fellow does have class [not much polish ] He's been handed some really BIG problems that others have ignored for decades upon decades, because they ARE REALLY BIG PROBLEMS. Sure, someone else may have handled them better, but I seriously doubt that any of them would not have made some serious mistakes when facing such catch 22 style situations where there's just no way to win. OF COURSE he's damned. It's a *damned if you do and damned if you don't* situation and GWB waded right on in. That's class. OF COURSE he doesn't know what he's doing. If anyone knew, there would not have been a problem. OF COURSE no one else gets the blame for those problems...they avoided them. The turkeys just flew out of the alligator pond leaving it for the next turkey. But GWB didn't, so he's stupid. Well, he does look stupid, but looks can also be deceiving. Hard to say, but it took a lot of smart looking people to pile those problems up so high by stepping around them for so long. So, while pointing blame fingers will make someone appear smart, it doesn't solve any problems, therefore, only someone willing to look stupid will even attempt the job. Enter GWB looking like a stupid turkey, standing in the midst of an ocean of evasive alligators looking smart with all those pointy fingers. Only time will tell that whole story, but there's an old fable about the country bumpkin lawyer in overhauls pulling the pants off the city slicker lawyer whos' been lulled into believing his opponent is an idiot. That would be a Texan tradition.. where it's not at all rare to get cut to ribbons by what looks like a dull blade. One cannot judge a Texan by his dung covert cover -alls. Remember who GWBs daddy is and what secrets he might know that nearly no one else in the entire world does. GWB doesn't HAVE to be smart, just there looking dumb, a distraction...a fall guy running an apparent show while the real show runs in a darker screening room full of spooks. It could well be that only his job is TO take blame. Remember how he got elected the first time? Rats in closets anyone? You suppose that *no one* was aware of potentials growing for decades? You can't see SPOOKS. If you can, they aren't good spooks. I'll bet this movie has a really twisty sub plot...so *sub* that we may never even hear that it existed. If you do see spooks, they were placed there for you to see so you won't see spooks. A population rarely has a clue and it ***doesn't want one***...but all-ways believes it does on both counts. OF COURSE it will be gone around using that very desire as the means to go around it. If an enemy is scattered all over the place, the only way to fight it is to attract it to a location using like kinds. [Birds and feathers priciple] Iraq is the geographic center of the war on terror A direct quote from stupid ole GWB that says nothing about who or where terrorists are. It makes for an easy commute and that's exactly what happened. DUMB Almost 4,000 dead in Iraq in 6 years?. That's bad! Hitler, taken down too late, took that many lives in a single hour. DUMB??? Iraqis are beginning to get the idea that terrorists are not their friends and are starting to clean them out as a common enemy that slowly binds opposing peoples together in
Re: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies
Ode, Sorry ole buddy, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,... well he's a duck. The all time WORST duck in the history of this great country I might add. Cheers. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:58 AM Subject: RE: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies At 07:30 AM 1/21/2008 -0800, you wrote: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: Bush takes blame without protest. Yup, and so must the serial killer or embezzler when all evidence proves him guilty. It's rare that there aren't more key players involved in embezzlement schemes. The old guard Mafia always took care of the paisans who took the heat and protected the family. I've not seen him point a finger to those who really did the screwing up...not that he's never screwed up. [EVERYBODY screws up ] Amazing. People place all the power on his head making him king. If a king isn't perfect, he must be evil. Then when he doesn't have that power, he gets the blame and the Label. BAD king! YES. BAD KING!! BAD DOG! when it's had training yet still poops on the floor, as if it didn't. . It's just they way it isthe crown comes with thorns for those aggressively lobby to wear it. ## There are an awful lot of people who will poop on a floor and point to the dog. Some messes are so crusty and old that the dog can't lick them up... and finding the original pooper leads to a grave yard somewhere. Can't make a dead person clean up anything. Getting someone else to admit a mistake is rarely relevant to solutions to problems, but people who focus on fault over solutions cannot see that, so who-so-ever that doesn't engage in the blame game appears guilty...and if the problem is difficult to solve, incompetent. GWB is a problem solver mentality. How good he is at is debatable...but it is clear that he regularly accepts responsibility that blamers hand him without complaint. He may or may not be a dim bulb, but the fellow does have class [not much polish ] He's been handed some really BIG problems that others have ignored for decades upon decades, because they ARE REALLY BIG PROBLEMS. Sure, someone else may have handled them better, but I seriously doubt that any of them would not have made some serious mistakes when facing such catch 22 style situations where there's just no way to win. OF COURSE he's damned. It's a *damned if you do and damned if you don't* situation and GWB waded right on in. That's class. OF COURSE he doesn't know what he's doing. If anyone knew, there would not have been a problem. OF COURSE no one else gets the blame for those problems...they avoided them. The turkeys just flew out of the alligator pond leaving it for the next turkey. But GWB didn't, so he's stupid. Well, he does look stupid, but looks can also be deceiving. Hard to say, but it took a lot of smart looking people to pile those problems up so high by stepping around them for so long. So, while pointing blame fingers will make someone appear smart, it doesn't solve any problems, therefore, only someone willing to look stupid will even attempt the job. Enter GWB looking like a stupid turkey, standing in the midst of an ocean of evasive alligators looking smart with all those pointy fingers. Only time will tell that whole story, but there's an old fable about the country bumpkin lawyer in overhauls pulling the pants off the city slicker lawyer whos' been lulled into believing his opponent is an idiot. That would be a Texan tradition.. where it's not at all rare to get cut to ribbons by what looks like a dull blade. One cannot judge a Texan by his dung covert cover -alls. Remember who GWBs daddy is and what secrets he might know that nearly no one else in the entire world does. GWB doesn't HAVE to be smart, just there looking dumb, a distraction...a fall guy running an apparent show while the real show runs in a darker screening room full of spooks. It could well be that only his job is TO take blame. Remember how he got elected the first time? Rats in closets anyone? You suppose that *no one* was aware of potentials growing for decades? You can't see SPOOKS. If you can, they aren't good spooks. I'll bet this movie has a really twisty sub plot...so *sub* that we may never even hear that it existed. If you do see spooks, they were placed there for you to see so you won't see spooks. A population rarely has a clue and it ***doesn't want one***...but all-ways believes it does on both counts. OF COURSE it will be gone around using that very desire as the means to go around it. If an enemy is scattered all over the place, the only way to fight it is to attract it to a location using like kinds. [Birds and feathers priciple] Iraq is the geographic center of the war on terror A direct quote from stupid ole GWB that says nothing about who or where terrorists
Re: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies
Yeah, that no terrorist attacks on US soil for the past 7 years doesn't count for anything...other than that we're still alive to debate the finer points of education, free universal health care, big Pharma, and all the wonders of moving to an even bigger nanny-state government under the oh-so-compassionate socialist opposition... bbanever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: = Ode, Sorry ole buddy, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,... well he's a duck. The all time WORST duck in the history of this great country I might add. Cheers. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies
At least Mr. B. has stopped drinking and smoking pot. Or so it is rumored. I saw our president speaking on tv to an elderly woman who told him she is working 3 jobs to survive. His laughing response was: When do you find time to sleep? Do you suppose he slipped her five on the side? Oh no, he couldn't have. He doesn't carry cash. How come you get to post such lnng posts? Faith G. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: RE: CSFDA Announces Plan to Eliminate Vitamin Companies At 07:30 AM 1/21/2008 -0800, you wrote: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: Bush takes blame without protest. Yup, and so must the serial killer or embezzler when all evidence proves him guilty. It's rare that there aren't more key players involved in embezzlement schemes. The old guard Mafia always took care of the paisans who took the heat and protected the family. I've not seen him point a finger to those who really did the screwing up...not that he's never screwed up. [EVERYBODY screws up ] Amazing. People place all the power on his head making him king. If a king isn't perfect, he must be evil. Then when he doesn't have that power, he gets the blame and the Label. BAD king! YES. BAD KING!! BAD DOG! when it's had training yet still poops on the floor, as if it didn't. . It's just they way it isthe crown comes with thorns for those aggressively lobby to wear it. ## There are an awful lot of people who will poop on a floor and point to the dog. Some messes are so crusty and old that the dog can't lick them up... and finding the original pooper leads to a grave yard somewhere. Can't make a dead person clean up anything. Getting someone else to admit a mistake is rarely relevant to solutions to problems, but people who focus on fault over solutions cannot see that, so who-so-ever that doesn't engage in the blame game appears guilty...and if the problem is difficult to solve, incompetent. GWB is a problem solver mentality. How good he is at is debatable...but it is clear that he regularly accepts responsibility that blamers hand him without complaint. He may or may not be a dim bulb, but the fellow does have class [not much polish ] He's been handed some really BIG problems that others have ignored for decades upon decades, because they ARE REALLY BIG PROBLEMS. Sure, someone else may have handled them better, but I seriously doubt that any of them would not have made some serious mistakes when facing such catch 22 style situations where there's just no way to win. OF COURSE he's damned. It's a *damned if you do and damned if you don't* situation and GWB waded right on in. That's class. OF COURSE he doesn't know what he's doing. If anyone knew, there would not have been a problem. OF COURSE no one else gets the blame for those problems...they avoided them. The turkeys just flew out of the alligator pond leaving it for the next turkey. But GWB didn't, so he's stupid. Well, he does look stupid, but looks can also be deceiving. Hard to say, but it took a lot of smart looking people to pile those problems up so high by stepping around them for so long. So, while pointing blame fingers will make someone appear smart, it doesn't solve any problems, therefore, only someone willing to look stupid will even attempt the job. Enter GWB looking like a stupid turkey, standing in the midst of an ocean of evasive alligators looking smart with all those pointy fingers. Only time will tell that whole story, but there's an old fable about the country bumpkin lawyer in overhauls pulling the pants off the city slicker lawyer whos' been lulled into believing his opponent is an idiot. That would be a Texan tradition.. where it's not at all rare to get cut to ribbons by what looks like a dull blade. One cannot judge a Texan by his dung covert cover -alls. Remember who GWBs daddy is and what secrets he might know that nearly no one else in the entire world does. GWB doesn't HAVE to be smart, just there looking dumb, a distraction...a fall guy running an apparent show while the real show runs in a darker screening room full of spooks. It could well be that only his job is TO take blame. Remember how he got elected the first time? Rats in closets anyone? You suppose that *no one* was aware of potentials growing for decades? You can't see SPOOKS. If you can, they aren't good spooks. I'll bet this movie has a really twisty sub plot...so *sub* that we may never even hear that it existed. If you do see spooks, they were placed there for you to see so you won't see spooks. A population rarely has a clue and it ***doesn't want one***...but all-ways believes it does on both counts. OF COURSE it will be gone around using that very desire as the means to go around it. If an enemy is scattered all over the place, the only way
