Re: CSGlass vs plastic
When I make my cs water in my 32 oz glass container, I can see black spots or dots on the sides of the glass. Is this plating out already happening during the process? Why would the instructions say to make it in a glass container if you shouldn't store it that way? Doris marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Terry Chamberlin The only problem with storing CS in glass is that the silver particles stick to the glass sides (plate out) after awhile, which means less in the water. All my glass containers, after awhile, start to turn yellow on the insides. I fill them with tap water and pour in a bit of H2O2 and allow to sit for an hour and it dissolves the yellow off the sides. OK -- I have a question about this. Terry -- do you think that the plated out residue attracts additional silver particles, creating more plated out residue? I've used cobalt blue bottles for my CS storage. After awhile, the insides of the bottles have a residue on them -- but I can't see what color it is (these bottles have a long narrow neck). I imagined that it was black. Or dark grey. But it seems that this increases with time. So if I do what you do with tap water and hydrogen peroxide, it'll clean them up again? MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail
CSGlass vs plastic
Doris said, From everything I've read and heard about cs I get the idea that you can't store it in anything but glass or clear plastic containers. Why can't you store it in white or green or any other colour container? A 2 liter pop bottle wouldn't make the water as smelly as some of those other ones? The only problem with storing CS in glass is that the silver particles stick to the glass sides (plate out) after awhile, which means less in the water. All my glass containers, after awhile, start to turn yellow on the insides. I fill them with tap water and pour in a bit of H2O2 and allow to sit for an hour and it dissolves the yellow off the sides. Clear soda pop plastic never has this experience, that I've noticed. By *clear*, I mean what you can see through. It's fine if it's green, just as long as it is clear. The whitish plastic that you find containing milk is too soft, I've heard, and the plastic dissolves into the CS. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGlass vs plastic
From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca The only problem with storing CS in glass is that the silver particles stick to the glass sides (plate out) after awhile, which means less in the water. All my glass containers, after awhile, start to turn yellow on the insides. I fill them with tap water and pour in a bit of H2O2 and allow to sit for an hour and it dissolves the yellow off the sides. OK -- I have a question about this. Terry -- do you think that the plated out residue attracts additional silver particles, creating more plated out residue? I've used cobalt blue bottles for my CS storage. After awhile, the insides of the bottles have a residue on them -- but I can't see what color it is (these bottles have a long narrow neck). I imagined that it was black. Or dark grey. But it seems that this increases with time. So if I do what you do with tap water and hydrogen peroxide, it'll clean them up again? MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSGlass vs plastic
One of the lists late august members, Ole Bob, once did a series of tests concerning plastic containers. He made a batch of CS, measured it (with his highly accurate spectrophotometer), then stored CS in several types of plastics, from clear soda pop bottles to soft, white milk bottles. As time passed, he retested some of the CS from each bottle. He found that the white, opaque milk-bottle plastic bled into the CS (raised the ppm in the CS). The CS in the soda pop containers (PET or PETE type plastic) showed no measureable increase in ppm whatsoever (which means the plastic wasn't dissolving into the CS), no matter how long the CS was stored in it. Terry Chamberlin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSGlass vs plastic
Terryso we make it in glass and store it in plastic isn't there a concern of the plastic leaking gases into the liquid?...thanks deb Read the article at: http://www.asapsolution.com/testresults.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGlass vs plastic
Thanks very much for posting this. Do you know has any work been done on the storage of DMSO in glass versus plastic. With DMSO's properties is it safe to store it in plastic? perhaps if it is PET type hard plastic it is OK. Would glass not be the safer option for DMSO? With thanks in advance, Sheila Tuesday, September 20, 2005, 10:17:42 PM, you wrote: TC Please notice this: Very interesting! TC http://www.asapsolution.com/testresults.html TC Silver in Glass vs. Plastic Containers TC January 1, 2004 TC Non-Toxicity Test TC In order to insure not only the best product, but also TC a safe product, American Biotech Labs hired an TC independent laboratory to do a toxicology study on the TC ASAP Solution. The test, called an LD-50 test, was TC performed in accordance with the guidelines of the TC Federal Hazardous Substances Act (FHSA) Regulations, TC 16 CFR 1500. TC In the test work, the ASAP Solution was given to a TC number of both male and female test rats. The amount TC of ASAP Solution given to the rats was 5g/kg, or the TC equivalent of a 200 pound man taking 192 teaspoons of TC about 4 full 8 ounce bottles of the ASAP 10ppm TC solution at one time (the normal adult dosage is one TC or two teaspoons/day). TC As a result of the test work, the independent TC laboratory made the following conclusion, Under the TC conditions of this study, there was no mortality or TC significant evidence of toxicity observed in the rats. TC The test article (ASAP Solution) would not be TC considered toxic at a dose of 5g/kg by oral route in TC the rat. TC American Biotech Labs Safety Data TC American Biotech Labs has had five independent safety TC and toxicity tests completed on its 10 and 22 PPM TC silver products. The American Biotech Labs product was TC tested in animals at as much as 200 times the normal TC adult dosage, or the equivalent of an adult consuming TC 32 full ounces of the 10 ppm product at one sitting. TC In conclusion to the animal tests, the independent TC medical testing laboratory stated that the ASAP TC Solution® was found to be completely non-toxic to the TC test animals. The product was also tested for TC cytotoxicity in both human epithelial cells and also TC African green monkey or Vero cells, at both the TC regular 10 ppm level and also at the extra-strength 22 TC ppm level. In all four cytotoxicity tests the TC Amreican Biotech Labs' products were found completely TC non-toxic to both the human and Vero cells. TC Silver in Glass vs. Plastic Containers TC Introduction TC A great deal of controversy has arisen in the market TC place on the question of whether it is better to store TC silver solutions in glass versus plastic containers. TC There is a misconception that has prevailed in the TC market place that glass is better. The idea that TC glass containers are better for storing products which TC contain silver has never been proven scientifically. TC In fact, it has been reported in other studies that TC glass may have a detrimental effect on silver TC products. TC Test Work TC I have been conducting biological studies for 3 years, TC in the laboratory of a major private institution, on TC the use of silver products to kill and inhibit the TC growth of bacteria. I have conducted thousands of TC tests on numerous strains of pathogenic bacteria. In TC the testing I have completed, I have used both glass TC (5 ml glass test tubes) and plastic (Falcon 5 ml TC polypropylene plastic test tubes). In some of the test TC work we found that there was a difference in the TC amount of silver that was needed to kill the bacteria TC when glass was used versus plastic test tubes. In TC order to make sure this was the case, it was decided TC that the MIC tests (Minimum Inhibitory Concentration) TC should be replicated by more than one person and a TC direct comparison was made. The MIC tests were TC performed in triplicate in both 5 ml 13X100mm glass TC test tubes and 5 ml Falcon polypropylene plastic test TC tubes. Results of the bacterial (MIC) tests showed TC that Staphylococcus aureus was inhibited at 2.5 ppm TC when the MIC test was performed in the plastic test TC tubes. S. aureus was inhibited at 5 ppm when the MIC TC test was performed in glass test tubes. This TC suggested that the material with which the test tubes TC were made, specifically glass or plastic, may have TC effected the results of the MIC test. Numerous other TC tests were also completed using larger concentrations TC of bacterium and in those tests it was found that TC there was no significant difference at all between TC using the glass test tubes versus plastic test tubes. TC Other Studies TC The studies which I performed are not the only tests TC showing that glass, in some circumstances, may have a TC detrimental effect on silver products. It has been TC noted in another independent study which has been TC cited by other researchers that silver can adsorb to TC glass (Chambers 1960; Thurman
Re: CSGlass vs plastic
My DMSO from Jeffers comes in plastic bottles. DMSO freezes about 67 F so it could break a glass container pretty quick. don't think it would do anything else to the glass but why use something that could break ? - Original Message - From: JS Campbell campbe...@members.v21.co.uk To: Terry Chamberlin silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 6:16 AM Subject: Re: CSGlass vs plastic Thanks very much for posting this. Do you know has any work been done on the storage of DMSO in glass versus plastic. With DMSO's properties is it safe to store it in plastic? perhaps if it is PET type hard plastic it is OK. Would glass not be the safer option for DMSO? With thanks in advance, Sheila Tuesday, September 20, 2005, 10:17:42 PM, you wrote: TC Please notice this: Very interesting! TC http://www.asapsolution.com/testresults.html TC Silver in Glass vs. Plastic Containers TC January 1, 2004 TC Non-Toxicity Test TC In order to insure not only the best product, but also TC a safe product, American Biotech Labs hired an TC independent laboratory to do a toxicology study on the TC ASAP Solution. The test, called an LD-50 test, was TC performed in accordance with the guidelines of the TC Federal Hazardous Substances Act (FHSA) Regulations, TC 16 CFR 1500. TC In the test work, the ASAP Solution was given to a TC number of both male and female test rats. The amount TC of ASAP Solution given to the rats was 5g/kg, or the TC equivalent of a 200 pound man taking 192 teaspoons of TC about 4 full 8 ounce bottles of the ASAP 10ppm TC solution at one time (the normal adult dosage is one TC or two teaspoons/day). TC As a result of the test work, the independent TC laboratory made the following conclusion, Under the TC conditions of this study, there was no mortality or TC significant evidence of toxicity observed in the rats. TC The test article (ASAP Solution) would not be TC considered toxic at a dose of 5g/kg by oral route in TC the rat. TC American Biotech Labs Safety Data TC American Biotech Labs has had five independent safety TC and toxicity tests completed on its 10 and 22 PPM TC silver products. The American Biotech Labs product was TC tested in animals at as much as 200 times the normal TC adult dosage, or the equivalent of an adult consuming TC 32 full ounces of the 10 ppm product at one sitting. TC In conclusion to the animal tests, the independent TC medical testing laboratory stated that the ASAP TC Solution® was found to be completely non-toxic to the TC test animals. The product was also tested for TC cytotoxicity in both human epithelial cells and also TC African green monkey or Vero cells, at both the TC regular 10 ppm level and also at the extra-strength 22 TC ppm level. In all four cytotoxicity tests the TC Amreican Biotech Labs' products were found completely TC non-toxic to both the human and Vero cells. TC Silver in Glass vs. Plastic Containers TC Introduction TC A great deal of controversy has arisen in the market TC place on the question of whether it is better to store TC silver solutions in glass versus plastic containers. TC There is a misconception that has prevailed in the TC market place that glass is better. The idea that TC glass containers are better for storing products which TC contain silver has never been proven scientifically. TC In fact, it has been reported in other studies that TC glass may have a detrimental effect on silver TC products. TC Test Work TC I have been conducting biological studies for 3 years, TC in the laboratory of a major private institution, on TC the use of silver products to kill and inhibit the TC growth of bacteria. I have conducted thousands of TC tests on numerous strains of pathogenic bacteria. In TC the testing I have completed, I have used both glass TC (5 ml glass test tubes) and plastic (Falcon 5 ml TC polypropylene plastic test tubes). In some of the test TC work we found that there was a difference in the TC amount of silver that was needed to kill the bacteria TC when glass was used versus plastic test tubes. In TC order to make sure this was the case, it was decided TC that the MIC tests (Minimum Inhibitory Concentration) TC should be replicated by more than one person and a TC direct comparison was made. The MIC tests were TC performed in triplicate in both 5 ml 13X100mm glass TC test tubes and 5 ml Falcon polypropylene plastic test TC tubes. Results of the bacterial (MIC) tests showed TC that Staphylococcus aureus was inhibited at 2.5 ppm TC when the MIC test was performed in the plastic test TC tubes. S. aureus was inhibited at 5 ppm when the MIC TC test was performed in glass test tubes. This TC suggested that the material with which the test tubes TC were made, specifically glass or plastic, may have TC effected the results of the MIC test. Numerous other TC tests were also completed using larger concentrations
CSGlass vs plastic
Please notice this: Very interesting! http://www.asapsolution.com/testresults.html Silver in Glass vs. Plastic Containers January 1, 2004 Non-Toxicity Test In order to insure not only the best product, but also a safe product, American Biotech Labs hired an independent laboratory to do a toxicology study on the ASAP Solution. The test, called an LD-50 test, was performed in accordance with the guidelines of the Federal Hazardous Substances Act (FHSA) Regulations, 16 CFR 1500. In the test work, the ASAP Solution was given to a number of both male and female test rats. The amount of ASAP Solution given to the rats was 5g/kg, or the equivalent of a 200 pound man taking 192 teaspoons of about 4 full 8 ounce bottles of the ASAP 10ppm solution at one time (the normal adult dosage is one or two teaspoons/day). As a result of the test work, the independent laboratory made the following conclusion, Under the conditions of this study, there was no mortality or significant evidence of toxicity observed in the rats. The test article (ASAP Solution) would not be considered toxic at a dose of 5g/kg by oral route in the rat. American Biotech Labs Safety Data American Biotech Labs has had five independent safety and toxicity tests completed on its 10 and 22 PPM silver products. The American Biotech Labs product was tested in animals at as much as 200 times the normal adult dosage, or the equivalent of an adult consuming 32 full ounces of the 10 ppm product at one sitting. In conclusion to the animal tests, the independent medical testing laboratory stated that the ASAP Solution® was found to be completely non-toxic to the test animals. The product was also tested for cytotoxicity in both human epithelial cells and also African green monkey or Vero cells, at both the regular 10 ppm level and also at the extra-strength 22 ppm level. In all four cytotoxicity tests the Amreican Biotech Labs' products were found completely non-toxic to both the human and Vero cells. Silver in Glass vs. Plastic Containers Introduction A great deal of controversy has arisen in the market place on the question of whether it is better to store silver solutions in glass versus plastic containers. There is a misconception that has prevailed in the market place that glass is better. The idea that glass containers are better for storing products which contain silver has never been proven scientifically. In fact, it has been reported in other studies that glass may have a detrimental effect on silver products. Test Work I have been conducting biological studies for 3 years, in the laboratory of a major private institution, on the use of silver products to kill and inhibit the growth of bacteria. I have conducted thousands of tests on numerous strains of pathogenic bacteria. In the testing I have completed, I have used both glass (5 ml glass test tubes) and plastic (Falcon 5 ml polypropylene plastic test tubes). In some of the test work we found that there was a difference in the amount of silver that was needed to kill the bacteria when glass was used versus plastic test tubes. In order to make sure this was the case, it was decided that the MIC tests (Minimum Inhibitory Concentration) should be replicated by more than one person and a direct comparison was made. The MIC tests were performed in triplicate in both 5 ml 13X100mm glass test tubes and 5 ml Falcon polypropylene plastic test tubes. Results of the bacterial (MIC) tests showed that Staphylococcus aureus was inhibited at 2.5 ppm when the MIC test was performed in the plastic test tubes. S. aureus was inhibited at 5 ppm when the MIC test was performed in glass test tubes. This suggested that the material with which the test tubes were made, specifically glass or plastic, may have effected the results of the MIC test. Numerous other tests were also completed using larger concentrations of bacterium and in those tests it was found that there was no significant difference at all between using the glass test tubes versus plastic test tubes. Other Studies The studies which I performed are not the only tests showing that glass, in some circumstances, may have a detrimental effect on silver products. It has been noted in another independent study which has been cited by other researchers that silver can adsorb to glass (Chambers 1960; Thurman 1989). With this in mind, it may have been possible that the silver could have adsorbed to the surface of the glass test tubes reducing the concentration of available silver interacting with the bacteria which resulted in having to use a higher amount of silver to kill the bacteria when the glass test tubes were used. Conclusion In the test work I have completed as well as in other available studies, it was found that glass may, in some cases, have a detrimental effect on silver products. While it can be said that glass did not always show the detrimental effect, it can also be stated that we found no problems at all with
