RE: CSMRSA - again
Hello Dan, A word of warning... Muriatic acid is usually around 32%. This is a strong concentration, and when mixed with a high concentration sodium chlorite solution like MMS it can be explosive. Heat is given off during the reaction and boiling is not uncommon. When using HCl as an activator, it is best to dilute the sodium chlorite down to 5% and the HCl down to 6%. You use equal amounts of each and end up with all of the available chlorine dioxide released as free chlorine dioxide. Don't play with this unless you take the proper chemical precautions to protect the area where you are working, yourself, and anyone else that is in the area. Also protect your animals. Tom -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 8:40 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMRSA - again Try Muriatic acid. Hardware store, or internet. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMRSA - again
Hydrochloric acid can be purchased for about $8 a gallon at Lowes or Home Depot. I bought a gallon about 3 weeks ago at Home Depot myself. Marshall On 10/23/2010 1:16 PM, Saralou wrote: When I want HCl for last-ditch laundry stain removal, I use The Works brand toilet bowl cleaner. Ustabe it said 5% HCl-- current label doesn't. I'd prolly try on a MRSA outbreak it but would never ever recommend it. If you're in the States, there are some chemical supply houses from which you can purchase lab chemicals. Here are a few links. http://cgi.ebay.com/Hydrochloric-Acid-32-Lab-Grade-Reagent-/270604455151?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f01484cef http://www.daigger.com/catalog/product/d-Safe-D/Safe-D+Educational+Chemicals/p-449963WBE/Hydrochloric+Acid http://www.gfschemicals.com/statics/productdetails/HYDROCHLORIC_ACID_2586.html http://titanreagents.com/HCL-reagent-tech.htm http://www.piercenet.com/Products/Browse.cfm?fldID=77D92194-D795-2845-76D7-6DE8226076F6CFID=15017354CFTOKEN=15788491 http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/23000/SLH1462 http://www.reagent.co.uk/hydrochloric-acid.html from one of Steve's conversationsI recommended using *Reagent grade iodine and iodide.* Reagent grade is the highest laboratory grade and is not pharmaceutical grade. Reagent grade has to be fairly pure for it's use in a lab. For example, many pharmaceutical drugs are made using Reagent grade chemicals. On 10/23/2010 2:13 AM, Paula Samuels Anthis wrote: Don't know where we could get Hydrochloric acid here in the boonies, maybe the high school? If that becomes a possibility, how much do I need and does it come in different strengths?
CSMRSA - again
Thanks for the heads up about muratic acid. So are hydrochorus acid and hydrochloric acid almost the same thing? Now can someone tell me where or how they used or heard of use of the muratic acid? Is it to be used to activate the MMS? And if so, how does the resulting activated MMS differ from using vinegar or lemon juice? I am brain blithered from the weekend and more break outs on Leon. After the current quarter sized lesion, all the rest have been tiny. ALL are diminishing with the addition of Miracle II neutralizer liquid and gel to the treatment plan. Today all the areas are definately in retreat, but the last several days have been a real strain emotionally and physically. Leon says the pain is now nonexistent and he is choosing to continue treating as we are, as he does not choose to consult a doc or ER. He feels what we are doing is working and will work to get to the root cause. He has started turp and says it tastes like minty flavored fine turpentine. So far so GOOD. Fw: Re: CSMRSA - again Re: CSMRSA - again Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:39:52 AM From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Try Muriatic acid. Hardware store, or internet. Dan
Re: CSMRSA - again
Try Muriatic acid. Hardware store, or internet. Dan On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Paula Samuels Anthis npalacios...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks Tom, You brought up several points we, nor anyone else had mentioned. I am so sensitive to citric acid that we are using either fresh lemon juice or ACV to activate the MMS as we do not even have any citric acid. Can you transpose your calculations using either of those? Don't know where we could get Hydrochloric acid here in the boonies, maybe the high school? If that becomes a possibility, how much do I need and does it come in different strengths? I have been washing the sheets and clothing double in HOT water with oxy cleaner and detergent. When you say 5 ml of MMS, do you mean activated MMS or straight out of the MMS bottle MMS..sorry I get so confused about that point. Renee suggested that we refer to the activated as AMMS and the unactivated as MMS.and that has helped us differentiate here at home Leon is notorious for acquiring thrift store personal clothing and I do not mind so long as on arrival home it gets the multi wash in hot water TX and sometimes even bleach the bejeebers out of it in the old washer outside so I do not get sick from the chlorine smell inside the house. BUT he also will just put his new finds away if not thinking about it or I do not catch him wandering in with his newest treasure (old habit we are still working on). Our big bone of contention is his buying used shoes and not washing them in hot water and bleach before bringing them in. I go balistic on this one as I have had to fight fungus and yeast so much more since we married a year ago and think it is coming in one the used stuff he is constantl acquiring, and he blissfully remains clueless no matter how many times I ask him to clean up his shoes and his act because of my own poorly functining immune system.as he blissfully floats down de nile. Yurhhh. Thanks for the input and for listening and I look forward to your answers to this post. Blessings from Paula Fw: RE: CSMRSA - again RE: CSMRSA - again Friday, October 22, 2010 1:02:32 PM From: Tom Poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hello Paula, The MMS protocol doesn’t produce enough chlorine dioxide to be effective against MRSA. It helps, but it isn’t strong enough to eliminate it. If you had hydrochloric acid, a topically mixture could be made that is strong enough, and still not too strong to irritate the skin and surrounding tissue. However, let’s work with what you have. Mix up in a glass 1 ml of MMS and add to that 1 ml of 10% citric acid. Let this activate for 10 minutes, then add enough water to make a total solution of 125 ml. Cut a square of paper towel that will fit over the problem area. Dip the paper towel into the solution and apply. Let it sit there for 5 minutes, then repeat 2 more times. This will give you 3 applications in all. This solution has around 100 PPM free chlorine dioxide but is an acid so it may irritate the skin. An application in the morning followed by another application in the evening should eliminate the surface MRSA. You can mix the solution in the morning, use it, and store it out of UV light until evening and use it again then. It probably should be mixed fresh each morning. Re-infection is another issue and you may want to consider disinfecting clothing and sleeping materials to remove that possibility. In your washing machine you can pour 5 ml of MMS into the water and that should help. In order to get a more accurate figure I would need the amount of water it takes to fill up your machine during a typical load. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMRSA - again
Thanks Tom, You brought up several points we, nor anyone else had mentioned. I am so sensitive to citric acid that we are using either fresh lemon juice or ACV to activate the MMS as we do not even have any citric acid. Can you transpose your calculations using either of those? Don't know where we could get Hydrochloric acid here in the boonies, maybe the high school? If that becomes a possibility, how much do I need and does it come in different strengths? I have been washing the sheets and clothing double in HOT water with oxy cleaner and detergent. When you say 5 ml of MMS, do you mean activated MMS or straight out of the MMS bottle MMS..sorry I get so confused about that point. Renee suggested that we refer to the activated as AMMS and the unactivated as MMS.and that has helped us differentiate here at home Leon is notorious for acquiring thrift store personal clothing and I do not mind so long as on arrival home it gets the multi wash in hot water TX and sometimes even bleach the bejeebers out of it in the old washer outside so I do not get sick from the chlorine smell inside the house. BUT he also will just put his new finds away if not thinking about it or I do not catch him wandering in with his newest treasure (old habit we are still working on). Our big bone of contention is his buying used shoes and not washing them in hot water and bleach before bringing them in. I go balistic on this one as I have had to fight fungus and yeast so much more since we married a year ago and think it is coming in one the used stuff he is constantl acquiring, and he blissfully remains clueless no matter how many times I ask him to clean up his shoes and his act because of my own poorly functining immune system.as he blissfully floats down de nile. Yurhhh. Thanks for the input and for listening and I look forward to your answers to this post. Blessings from Paula Fw: RE: CSMRSA - again RE: CSMRSA - again Friday, October 22, 2010 1:02:32 PM From: Tom Poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hello Paula, The MMS protocol doesn’t produce enough chlorine dioxide to be effective against MRSA. It helps, but it isn’t strong enough to eliminate it. If you had hydrochloric acid, a topically mixture could be made that is strong enough, and still not too strong to irritate the skin and surrounding tissue. However, let’s work with what you have. Mix up in a glass 1 ml of MMS and add to that 1 ml of 10% citric acid. Let this activate for 10 minutes, then add enough water to make a total solution of 125 ml. Cut a square of paper towel that will fit over the problem area. Dip the paper towel into the solution and apply. Let it sit there for 5 minutes, then repeat 2 more times. This will give you 3 applications in all. This solution has around 100 PPM free chlorine dioxide but is an acid so it may irritate the skin. An application in the morning followed by another application in the evening should eliminate the surface MRSA. You can mix the solution in the morning, use it, and store it out of UV light until evening and use it again then. It probably should be mixed fresh each morning. Re-infection is another issue and you may want to consider disinfecting clothing and sleeping materials to remove that possibility. In your washing machine you can pour 5 ml of MMS into the water and that should help. In order to get a more accurate figure I would need the amount of water it takes to fill up your machine during a typical load. Tom
Re: CSMRSA - again
When I want HCl for last-ditch laundry stain removal, I use The Works brand toilet bowl cleaner. Ustabe it said 5% HCl-- current label doesn't. I'd prolly try on a MRSA outbreak it but would never ever recommend it. If you're in the States, there are some chemical supply houses from which you can purchase lab chemicals. Here are a few links. http://cgi.ebay.com/Hydrochloric-Acid-32-Lab-Grade-Reagent-/270604455151?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f01484cef http://www.daigger.com/catalog/product/d-Safe-D/Safe-D+Educational+Chemicals/p-449963WBE/Hydrochloric+Acid http://www.gfschemicals.com/statics/productdetails/HYDROCHLORIC_ACID_2586.html http://titanreagents.com/HCL-reagent-tech.htm http://www.piercenet.com/Products/Browse.cfm?fldID=77D92194-D795-2845-76D7-6DE8226076F6CFID=15017354CFTOKEN=15788491 http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/23000/SLH1462 http://www.reagent.co.uk/hydrochloric-acid.html from one of Steve's conversationsI recommended using *Reagent grade iodine and iodide.* Reagent grade is the highest laboratory grade and is not pharmaceutical grade. Reagent grade has to be fairly pure for it's use in a lab. For example, many pharmaceutical drugs are made using Reagent grade chemicals. On 10/23/2010 2:13 AM, Paula Samuels Anthis wrote: Don't know where we could get Hydrochloric acid here in the boonies, maybe the high school? If that becomes a possibility, how much do I need and does it come in different strengths?
CSMRSA - again
Thanks Mary Ann - We welcome your prayers and have hope and reassurance that The Healer will direct our steps and bring His healing to both of us as we do well what our hands find to do. Bless you and thanks, Paula Fw: Re: CSMRSA - again Re: CSMRSA - again Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:55:38 PM From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com I can't be of any help Paula, but I'm praying/hoping for successful resolution. MA From: Paula Samuels Anthis npalacios...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 1:52:23 PM Subject: CSMRSA - again I don't know if we are getting healthier and stuff is coming out (which we hope is the case) or is we are just pathogen pits and becoming symptomatic! Has anyone else been dealing with either isolated MRSA or a possible systemic infection? Hubby has his third nickle sized reddened area with the crusty middle but this time he withheld the info and did nothing as we tended to all the effects of my own dynamic wasp sting 10 days ago and all the after shocks my body was screaming about. He had the first area ID's by a doc last Jan on right calf - took months to clear but never opened. Second was on belly about 6-8 weeks ago and likewise was only surface red, crusty middle with a dark spot in the very center - never drained as we zapped and CS'd it and MMS'd it and H2O2'd ( with DMSO added to each)it faithfully until it has almost totally faded away! Victory on that one!
Re: CSMRSA - again
We resolved a persistent wound using CS - where possible sunlight is meant to cure this problem most effectively Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Paula Samuels Anthis To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:52 AM Subject: CSMRSA - again I don't know if we are getting healthier and stuff is coming out (which we hope is the case) or is we are just pathogen pits and becoming symptomatic! Has anyone else been dealing with either isolated MRSA or a possible systemic infection? Hubby has his third nickle sized reddened area with the crusty middle but this time he withheld the info and did nothing as we tended to all the effects of my own dynamic wasp sting 10 days ago and all the after shocks my body was screaming about. He had the first area ID's by a doc last Jan on right calf - took months to clear but never opened. Second was on belly about 6-8 weeks ago and likewise was only surface red, crusty middle with a dark spot in the very center - never drained as we zapped and CS'd it and MMS'd it and H2O2'd ( with DMSO added to each)it faithfully until it has almost totally faded away! Victory on that one! Now this third place on his left calf, which he chose to ignore for over a week, apparently started looking out looking the same as the others, but had formed a hard knot beneath it, become painful and the crusty part had already turned yellow and pus looking but was dry when he finally showed it to me two nights ago. I had a fit, so he started zapping with 6 volts foot bath to second foot bath, directly over the site, and also on either side of the site alternating current direction (switching when I would remind him to do so). Also using topical CS and MMS, plus oral H202 (all with DMSO added) every morning and MMS when I can catch him and remind him. (He is the most gentle, kind, loving and patient man I have ever met AND he has absolutely no sense of time or sequencing so my micro managing skills are needed way to frequently). Has anyone dealt with localized or systemic MRSA (online it says that if there are recurrent breakouts that it is definitely systemic). He has had these long lasting reddened spots for several years, but we never connected the dots till he became so ill last Jan. The finding by DaddyBob about the cluster of lymph glands in proximity to the appendix confirmed our suspicion that the MRSA on the leg had traveled to his lower abdomen and was the true cause of all his abdominal distress last Jan, that the doc never pinpointed a reason for after four weeks severe pain and in bed with a 20 pound wt loss. Feedback and suggestion are VERY welcome at this point! Blessings for Paula in Palacios I am going to post on the two other forums that have been such a help also. We need to hit this and make any changes he needs to make before MRSA more seriously affects this wonderful man! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3209 - Release Date: 10/20/10 18:34:00
RE: CSMRSA - again
Hello Paula, The MMS protocol doesn't produce enough chlorine dioxide to be effective against MRSA. It helps, but it isn't strong enough to eliminate it. If you had hydrochloric acid, a topically mixture could be made that is strong enough, and still not too strong to irritate the skin and surrounding tissue. However, let's work with what you have. Mix up in a glass 1 ml of MMS and add to that 1 ml of 10% citric acid. Let this activate for 10 minutes, then add enough water to make a total solution of 125 ml. Cut a square of paper towel that will fit over the problem area. Dip the paper towel into the solution and apply. Let it sit there for 5 minutes, then repeat 2 more times. This will give you 3 applications in all. This solution has around 100 PPM free chlorine dioxide but is an acid so it may irritate the skin. An application in the morning followed by another application in the evening should eliminate the surface MRSA. You can mix the solution in the morning, use it, and store it out of UV light until evening and use it again then. It probably should be mixed fresh each morning. Re-infection is another issue and you may want to consider disinfecting clothing and sleeping materials to remove that possibility. In your washing machine you can pour 5 ml of MMS into the water and that should help. In order to get a more accurate figure I would need the amount of water it takes to fill up your machine during a typical load. Tom From: Paula Samuels Anthis [mailto:npalacios...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:52 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMRSA - again I don't know if we are getting healthier and stuff is coming out (which we hope is the case) or is we are just pathogen pits and becoming symptomatic! Has anyone else been dealing with either isolated MRSA or a possible systemic infection? Hubby has his third nickle sized reddened area with the crusty middle but this time he withheld the info and did nothing as we tended to all the effects of my own dynamic wasp sting 10 days ago and all the after shocks my body was screaming about. He had the first area ID's by a doc last Jan on right calf - took months to clear but never opened. Second was on belly about 6-8 weeks ago and likewise was only surface red, crusty middle with a dark spot in the very center - never drained as we zapped and CS'd it and MMS'd it and H2O2'd ( with DMSO added to each)it faithfully until it has almost totally faded away! Victory on that one! Now this third place on his left calf, which he chose to ignore for over a week, apparently started looking out looking the same as the others, but had formed a hard knot beneath it, become painful and the crusty part had already turned yellow and pus looking but was dry when he finally showed it to me two nights ago. I had a fit, so he started zapping with 6 volts foot bath to second foot bath, directly over the site, and also on either side of the site alternating current direction (switching when I would remind him to do so). Also using topical CS and MMS, plus oral H202 (all with DMSO added) every morning and MMS when I can catch him and remind him. (He is the most gentle, kind, loving and patient man I have ever met AND he has absolutely no sense of time or sequencing so my micro managing skills are needed way to frequently). Has anyone dealt with localized or systemic MRSA (online it says that if there are recurrent breakouts that it is definitely systemic). He has had these long lasting reddened spots for several years, but we never connected the dots till he became so ill last Jan. The finding by DaddyBob about the cluster of lymph glands in proximity to the appendix confirmed our suspicion that the MRSA on the leg had traveled to his lower abdomen and was the true cause of all his abdominal distress last Jan, that the doc never pinpointed a reason for after four weeks severe pain and in bed with a 20 pound wt loss. Feedback and suggestion are VERY welcome at this point! Blessings for Paula in Palacios I am going to post on the two other forums that have been such a help also. We need to hit this and make any changes he needs to make before MRSA more seriously affects this wonderful man!
CSMRSA - again
I don't know if we are getting healthier and stuff is coming out (which we hope is the case) or is we are just pathogen pits and becoming symptomatic! Has anyone else been dealing with either isolated MRSA or a possible systemic infection? Hubby has his third nickle sized reddened area with the crusty middle but this time he withheld the info and did nothing as we tended to all the effects of my own dynamic wasp sting 10 days ago and all the after shocks my body was screaming about. He had the first area ID's by a doc last Jan on right calf - took months to clear but never opened. Second was on belly about 6-8 weeks ago and likewise was only surface red, crusty middle with a dark spot in the very center - never drained as we zapped and CS'd it and MMS'd it and H2O2'd ( with DMSO added to each)it faithfully until it has almost totally faded away! Victory on that one! Now this third place on his left calf, which he chose to ignore for over a week, apparently started looking out looking the same as the others, but had formed a hard knot beneath it, become painful and the crusty part had already turned yellow and pus looking but was dry when he finally showed it to me two nights ago. I had a fit, so he started zapping with 6 volts foot bath to second foot bath, directly over the site, and also on either side of the site alternating current direction (switching when I would remind him to do so). Also using topical CS and MMS, plus oral H202 (all with DMSO added) every morning and MMS when I can catch him and remind him. (He is the most gentle, kind, loving and patient man I have ever met AND he has absolutely no sense of time or sequencing so my micro managing skills are needed way to frequently). Has anyone dealt with localized or systemic MRSA (online it says that if there are recurrent breakouts that it is definitely systemic). He has had these long lasting reddened spots for several years, but we never connected the dots till he became so ill last Jan. The finding by DaddyBob about the cluster of lymph glands in proximity to the appendix confirmed our suspicion that the MRSA on the leg had traveled to his lower abdomen and was the true cause of all his abdominal distress last Jan, that the doc never pinpointed a reason for after four weeks severe pain and in bed with a 20 pound wt loss. Feedback and suggestion are VERY welcome at this point! Blessings for Paula in Palacios I am going to post on the two other forums that have been such a help also. We need to hit this and make any changes he needs to make before MRSA more seriously affects this wonderful man!
Re: CSMRSA - again
I can't be of any help Paula, but I'm praying/hoping for successful resolution. MA From: Paula Samuels Anthis npalacios...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 1:52:23 PM Subject: CSMRSA - again I don't know if we are getting healthier and stuff is coming out (which we hope is the case) or is we are just pathogen pits and becoming symptomatic! Has anyone else been dealing with either isolated MRSA or a possible systemic infection? Hubby has his third nickle sized reddened area with the crusty middle but this time he withheld the info and did nothing as we tended to all the effects of my own dynamic wasp sting 10 days ago and all the after shocks my body was screaming about. He had the first area ID's by a doc last Jan on right calf - took months to clear but never opened. Second was on belly about 6-8 weeks ago and likewise was only surface red, crusty middle with a dark spot in the very center - never drained as we zapped and CS'd it and MMS'd it and H2O2'd ( with DMSO added to each)it faithfully until it has almost totally faded away! Victory on that one! Now this third place on his left calf, which he chose to ignore for over a week, apparently started looking out looking the same as the others, but had formed a hard knot beneath it, become painful and the crusty part had already turned yellow and pus looking but was dry when he finally showed it to me two nights ago. I had a fit, so he started zapping with 6 volts foot bath to second foot bath, directly over the site, and also on either side of the site alternating current direction (switching when I would remind him to do so). Also using topical CS and MMS, plus oral H202 (all with DMSO added) every morning and MMS when I can catch him and remind him. (He is the most gentle, kind, loving and patient man I have ever met AND he has absolutely no sense of time or sequencing so my micro managing skills are needed way to frequently). Has anyone dealt with localized or systemic MRSA (online it says that if there are recurrent breakouts that it is definitely systemic). He has had these long lasting reddened spots for several years, but we never connected the dots till he became so ill last Jan. The finding by DaddyBob about the cluster of lymph glands in proximity to the appendix confirmed our suspicion that the MRSA on the leg had traveled to his lower abdomen and was the true cause of all his abdominal distress last Jan, that the doc never pinpointed a reason for after four weeks severe pain and in bed with a 20 pound wt loss. Feedback and suggestion are VERY welcome at this point! Blessings for Paula in Palacios I am going to post on the two other forums that have been such a help also. We need to hit this and make any changes he needs to make before MRSA more seriously affects this wonderful man!
