Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Cyclamate C6H12NNaO3S is not the same as Saccharin C7H5NO3S. Dan On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: Sodium Cyclamate was banned for decades in America [Sacharin ] It turned out that the scientific testing was so flawed [funded by the sugar industry? ] and the public reaction so myth driven that none of it made any sense at all upon re-examination. Now it's back. If the drug sniffing dogs don't trigger on the package and it's low value, it's not likely that customs will even look at it to even read the customs label. The worst that will happen is seizure...try again. Call it anything you want. Be very generic like Health Products or Consumer Goods which is how online pharmacies get prescription drugs across borders. I send Gel Kits all over the world as Make your own Gel Kit and that powder looks like the finest Cocaine. None have not made it...none have even been opened as far as I know. So long as the dogs don't bark and the border bandits get a cut...no problem. Ode At 10:51 AM 3/4/2010 -0700, you wrote: Me too! I have a good friend in Canada, but if I had her send me some, do doubt she would get in trouble. I wonder if there is a way to say what it is, not lie, but still have it be innocuous to customs? sol At 08:59 PM 3/3/2010, you wrote: Cyclamate is the best tasting artificial sweetener ever!!! I really miss it. ;-)) I do... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Sodium Cyclamate was banned for decades in America [Sacharin ] It turned out that the scientific testing was so flawed [funded by the sugar industry? ] and the public reaction so myth driven that none of it made any sense at all upon re-examination. Now it's back. If the drug sniffing dogs don't trigger on the package and it's low value, it's not likely that customs will even look at it to even read the customs label. The worst that will happen is seizure...try again. Call it anything you want. Be very generic like Health Products or Consumer Goods which is how online pharmacies get prescription drugs across borders. I send Gel Kits all over the world as Make your own Gel Kit and that powder looks like the finest Cocaine. None have not made it...none have even been opened as far as I know. So long as the dogs don't bark and the border bandits get a cut...no problem. Ode At 10:51 AM 3/4/2010 -0700, you wrote: Me too! I have a good friend in Canada, but if I had her send me some, do doubt she would get in trouble. I wonder if there is a way to say what it is, not lie, but still have it be innocuous to customs? sol At 08:59 PM 3/3/2010, you wrote: Cyclamate is the best tasting artificial sweetener ever!!! I really miss it. ;-)) I do... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Me too! I have a good friend in Canada, but if I had her send me some, do doubt she would get in trouble. I wonder if there is a way to say what it is, not lie, but still have it be innocuous to customs? sol At 08:59 PM 3/3/2010, you wrote: Cyclamate is the best tasting artificial sweetener ever!!! I really miss it. ;-)) I do... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Yes it is her fault for not recognizing perceptual limitations and acting accordingly. She knows that, unlike the younger generation that believes the world should be perfected for them...or else. Had it been a root in the woods, same thing, but no one but God to blame. Blame God..He doesn't care, nor will He pay...nor will He remove offending roots. I tripped and the planet came up and smacked me. BAD planet! Because one man be blind, there shalt be no traffic in all the world? ..don't think that'll ever happen. [If I'm wrong, we're all doomed] So maybe someone should have chained Mom to a chair. Somehow, I think she'd rather be dead than protected...like... the day I can't go for a walk, just shoot me, I'm done. The only way you won't make a mistake is to have no choices to make. ode [When I hit that snooze button, the sun stops rising and the universe awaits my pleasure in waking...dream on.] At 03:38 PM 3/2/2010 -0500, you wrote: This is all well and good -- and typically I keep my mouth shut on something like this, but I had to chime in. Consider those that have challenges, albeit physical, handicapped or whatnot...little things such as broken pavement are true hazards. My Mom at 77 years of age is in pretty good physical condition, yet she has a depth perception (due to a macular pucker in one eye -- which has since undergone surgery...we're hoping for great results). She *couldn't* see the height difference in two slabs of pavement (which are the sidewalks where she is in florida) and she took a tremendous spill. Granted...that one or two inch difference to you and I is nothing. But her fall was so bad that two folks ran right over and helped her up. She wound up with a black and blue eye, swollen spots all over the side of her head and body...and was quite sore (and almost petrified) to go outside again. She did blame herself but if you look at the big picture...is it really her fault because of her limited eye sight? Things need to be relatively safe for everyone, not those that are lucky enough to be physically fit to not have any issues. Sorry...struck a chord. Lisa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Cyclamate is the best tasting artificial sweetener ever!!! I really miss it. ;-)) I do... Dan On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:03 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Well, I'm sorry to tell you but MY personal experience is that I feel the same whether having some or being off it completely for years at a time. I just feel no adverse effects from it. It was one of the first things I looked at given my known health issues. If removing something for several years from one's diet doesn't fix anything, and starting up again does not increase anything, I don't see the point, myself. And I have read that it is an individual sensitivity issue, and for us at this house it does seem to be just that, and we have decided not to worry about it. BTW, I do agree the FDA is lax on this, and don't really care how many adverse reports they receive. I even read somewhere that they long ago stopped collecting adverse event data on it. Now, if they were to bring back Cyclamate, which were exonerated umpty ump years ago I'd be a happy camper. Meantime, I try to not use too much of any sweetener, but I don't have any fear of a bit of aspartame now and then. sol At 11:25 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote: But aspartame is a known neurotoxin (exitotoxin) sol, and has also been cited as causing cancer among other things. I believe it is on the agenda of the FDA at the moment as so many have called for a ban on it. It was banned for many years until Reagan got into power and then it was allowed, as its discoverer was a friend of his (so I read.) My friend suffers from really sensitive skin on her legs and feet and cannot bear to have them even brushed up against. Only one of many of her ailments, so I would have thought that to keep drinking something which is known to damage nerves would be the height of folly. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
The common denominator is truth in advertising Safety is always relative to threat and a matter of informed choice. If YOU were in charge of safety, a doctor would make a much better advisor, no longer stuffed into a self defense box. You see Stossel this week? Ode At 07:39 AM 3/1/2010 -0800, you wrote: Ode, I must disagree. The FDA should be in charge of safety, not efficacy. Thus, so long as something isn't going to poison or kill you, it should be available regardless of whether or not it works. Truth in advertising is another issue entirely and should not be subjected to FDA approval. There is far too much power within the FDA and it is causing us our basic freedoms. They will soon try and make Vit. C a prescription drug (as well as hundreds of other harmless supplements and nutrients) even though no one has ever died from it. I'll take the risk AND my freedom to choose how I want to medicate if at all as opposed to having my choices suppressed entirely. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:36 AM Subject: Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
This is all well and good -- and typically I keep my mouth shut on something like this, but I had to chime in. Consider those that have challenges, albeit physical, handicapped or whatnot...little things such as broken pavement are true hazards. My Mom at 77 years of age is in pretty good physical condition, yet she has a depth perception (due to a macular pucker in one eye -- which has since undergone surgery...we're hoping for great results). She *couldn't* see the height difference in two slabs of pavement (which are the sidewalks where she is in florida) and she took a tremendous spill. Granted...that one or two inch difference to you and I is nothing. But her fall was so bad that two folks ran right over and helped her up. She wound up with a black and blue eye, swollen spots all over the side of her head and body...and was quite sore (and almost petrified) to go outside again. She did blame herself but if you look at the big picture...is it really her fault because of her limited eye sight? Things need to be relatively safe for everyone, not those that are lucky enough to be physically fit to not have any issues. Sorry...struck a chord. Lisa -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners. I'm not arguing with any of that Ode, i.e the suing thing. I think that people should be responsible for themselves as far as possible. I happen to think that if you trip up a broken pavement, then that's *your* fault, not the Councils, and you should have looked where you are going! The same goes for slipping on a wet floor. As far as the rest of it goes, I am just going to agree to disagree. dee Well, I make and use CS because it's something I can do. When it's not enough, I have no problem hitting the feed and seed store or asking the dentist for anti-biotics. Doctors under attack are more expensive than dentists told about a fantasy tooth ache, animal drugs are the same as people drugs and I cut out the middle men that pay $100,000 a year for malpractice insurance...except...if I choose them wrong, I can't sue for more than being my own dead or disabled dog...and the lawyers to do that will cost far more than the payoff. It probably cost a billion dollars to get Vioxx approved, so I can see why the resistance to having it yanked because the risk of corking off is .7% But lookie. I hear all the time how the FDA should get out of our lives on one hand, and burrow further into them on the other. What do you WANT? Freedom or safety. You can't have it both ways. With freedom comes risk. With safety, lack of choice...and you pay for that lack. We don't want to pay the FDA the billions it takes to do the testing, so we pay the Pharm in the cost of the drugs that do get approved to cover those which don't and they write their own ticket accordingly. For every billion the Pharm spends getting a drug approved, they spend 5 billion on the ones that don't pass the initial phases...and you wonder why approved drugs cost so much and why they might want to fudge the data just a little bit and balance the risk of being sued against the probability of staying solvent. The cost of that pill is something like 25 cents for the pill and 25 dollars to insure against possible risks if ANY one dies or comes to harm, disregarding everyone that doesn't. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Well, I make and use CS because it's something I can do. When it's not enough, I have no problem hitting the feed and seed store or asking the dentist for anti-biotics. Doctors under attack are more expensive than dentists told about a fantasy tooth ache, animal drugs are the same as people drugs and I cut out the middle men that pay $100,000 a year for malpractice insurance...except...if I choose them wrong, I can't sue for more than being my own dead or disabled dog...and the lawyers to do that will cost far more than the payoff. It probably cost a billion dollars to get Vioxx approved, so I can see why the resistance to having it yanked because the risk of corking off is .7% But lookie. I hear all the time how the FDA should get out of our lives on one hand, and burrow further into them on the other. What do you WANT? Freedom or safety. You can't have it both ways. With freedom comes risk. With safety, lack of choice...and you pay for that lack. We don't want to pay the FDA the billions it takes to do the testing, so we pay the Pharm in the cost of the drugs that do get approved to cover those which don't and they write their own ticket accordingly. For every billion the Pharm spends getting a drug approved, they spend 5 billion on the ones that don't pass the initial phases...and you wonder why approved drugs cost so much and why they might want to fudge the data just a little bit and balance the risk of being sued against the probability of staying solvent. The cost of that pill is something like 25 cents for the pill and 25 dollars to insure against possible risks if ANY one dies or comes to harm, disregarding everyone that doesn't. Taking drugs is not safe and NOT taking drugs when you need some is also not safe. Meanwhile, people make a big stink about CS not having the approval it deserves, but won't pay the FDA to do it and the Pharm can't profit from it to cover the cost. Following our OWN logic if the Pharm won't spend a billion dollars to get CS approved to satisfy OUR demand for safety, it will be outlawed and it's all the FDAs fault for not doing what it hasn't been paid to do. The FDA has done the right thing. Don't ask and if you do we'll just say no to cover our unpaid buttholes. [We don't know, we haven't been paid to find out and we have found no reason to want to know OR find out..yet you ask us? ..go away kid, hide in a water closet someplace and jerk your own chain.] If you live your own life and die your own death, you have freedom...but it's risky and a sharp mind is gonna be your best and only friend. If you spend it looking for approval, you'll be licking a lot of corrupt boots that pick your pockets to pay for the safety you demand...but at least you can blame those boots for the heal grinding on your head when it turns out that you are one of those that doesn't fit the odds of success. It's YOUR fault that I'm different and ignorant..pay up It's YOUR fault that I weighed the risks against benefits and came up short No one body can afford that, so every body pays a kings ransom...and the oddball STILL corks off. [ Damned if you do, damned if you don't ] Get it? Is it better to have Gov't in control of your choices? Well, it's hard to sue the Gov't and they can just print money to pick your pockets behind your back to pay for ten times as many leaches to tell you that you have blood to suck, but it's not YOUR blood that's leaving the hole in your safety seeking head. How many people do you want to pay to convince you that your own life isn't yours so you don't have to take the risk of living it?.. then bitch and moan when you can't, but still have to pay all those people to tell you that you aren't damned when any way you look at it, you are. [Nobody dies for you and the only difference is who you get to blame] What IS blame? It's placing ALL the power to make choices into the hands of the people that YOU say don't care, making yourself both innocent and totally helpless...your very own victim. People go to Casinos knowing full well the odds are far and away stacked against striking the mother load and hugely stacked towards losing their shirts...yet they don't sue the Casino for leaving naked...but when the odds are stacked IN their favor but they lose, they do. Go figger. In the UK, a thief can sue you if he gets hurt ripping off your house. So you want Gov't making decisions FOR you? Good luck. At least in the USA I can still buy a gun on the street and shoot myself in the head. Ode At 06:45 PM 2/28/2010 +, you wrote: Well I suppose if we all thought like that, then we wouldn't bother to make CS either! There wouldn't be any point, because we could just go and take the anti-biotics the doctor gives us as they may or may not, kill us, but hey - who cares - we are going to die of something anyway! dee On 28 Feb 2010, at 15:05, Ode Coyote wrote: So how many benefited from
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
All men die. Not all men really live. William Wallace--Braveheart. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Freedom or safety. You can't have it both ways. With freedom comes risk. With safety, lack of choice...and you pay for that lack.
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Ode, I must disagree. The FDA should be in charge of safety, not efficacy. Thus, so long as something isn't going to poison or kill you, it should be available regardless of whether or not it works. Truth in advertising is another issue entirely and should not be subjected to FDA approval. There is far too much power within the FDA and it is causing us our basic freedoms. They will soon try and make Vit. C a prescription drug (as well as hundreds of other harmless supplements and nutrients) even though no one has ever died from it. I'll take the risk AND my freedom to choose how I want to medicate if at all as opposed to having my choices suppressed entirely. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:36 AM Subject: Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners. Well, I make and use CS because it's something I can do. When it's not enough, I have no problem hitting the feed and seed store or asking the dentist for anti-biotics. Doctors under attack are more expensive than dentists told about a fantasy tooth ache, animal drugs are the same as people drugs and I cut out the middle men that pay $100,000 a year for malpractice insurance...except...if I choose them wrong, I can't sue for more than being my own dead or disabled dog...and the lawyers to do that will cost far more than the payoff. It probably cost a billion dollars to get Vioxx approved, so I can see why the resistance to having it yanked because the risk of corking off is .7% But lookie. I hear all the time how the FDA should get out of our lives on one hand, and burrow further into them on the other. What do you WANT? Freedom or safety. You can't have it both ways. With freedom comes risk. With safety, lack of choice...and you pay for that lack. We don't want to pay the FDA the billions it takes to do the testing, so we pay the Pharm in the cost of the drugs that do get approved to cover those which don't and they write their own ticket accordingly. For every billion the Pharm spends getting a drug approved, they spend 5 billion on the ones that don't pass the initial phases...and you wonder why approved drugs cost so much and why they might want to fudge the data just a little bit and balance the risk of being sued against the probability of staying solvent. The cost of that pill is something like 25 cents for the pill and 25 dollars to insure against possible risks if ANY one dies or comes to harm, disregarding everyone that doesn't. Taking drugs is not safe and NOT taking drugs when you need some is also not safe. Meanwhile, people make a big stink about CS not having the approval it deserves, but won't pay the FDA to do it and the Pharm can't profit from it to cover the cost. Following our OWN logic if the Pharm won't spend a billion dollars to get CS approved to satisfy OUR demand for safety, it will be outlawed and it's all the FDAs fault for not doing what it hasn't been paid to do. The FDA has done the right thing. Don't ask and if you do we'll just say no to cover our unpaid buttholes. [We don't know, we haven't been paid to find out and we have found no reason to want to know OR find out..yet you ask us? ..go away kid, hide in a water closet someplace and jerk your own chain.] If you live your own life and die your own death, you have freedom...but it's risky and a sharp mind is gonna be your best and only friend. If you spend it looking for approval, you'll be licking a lot of corrupt boots that pick your pockets to pay for the safety you demand...but at least you can blame those boots for the heal grinding on your head when it turns out that you are one of those that doesn't fit the odds of success. It's YOUR fault that I'm different and ignorant..pay up It's YOUR fault that I weighed the risks against benefits and came up short No one body can afford that, so every body pays a kings ransom...and the oddball STILL corks off. [ Damned if you do, damned if you don't ] Get it? Is it better to have Gov't in control of your choices? Well, it's hard to sue the Gov't and they can just print money to pick your pockets behind your back to pay for ten times as many leaches to tell you that you have blood to suck, but it's not YOUR blood that's leaving the hole in your safety seeking head. How many people do you want to pay to convince you that your own life isn't yours so you don't have to take the risk of living it?.. then bitch and moan when you can't, but still have to pay all those people to tell you that you aren't damned when any way you look at it, you are. [Nobody dies for you and the only difference is who you get to blame] What IS blame? It's placing ALL the power to make choices into the hands of the people that YOU say don't care, making yourself both innocent and totally helpless...your very own victim. People go to Casinos
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
I'm not arguing with any of that Ode, i.e the suing thing. I think that people should be responsible for themselves as far as possible. I happen to think that if you trip up a broken pavement, then that's *your* fault, not the Councils, and you should have looked where you are going! The same goes for slipping on a wet floor. As far as the rest of it goes, I am just going to agree to disagree. dee Well, I make and use CS because it's something I can do. When it's not enough, I have no problem hitting the feed and seed store or asking the dentist for anti-biotics. Doctors under attack are more expensive than dentists told about a fantasy tooth ache, animal drugs are the same as people drugs and I cut out the middle men that pay $100,000 a year for malpractice insurance...except...if I choose them wrong, I can't sue for more than being my own dead or disabled dog...and the lawyers to do that will cost far more than the payoff. It probably cost a billion dollars to get Vioxx approved, so I can see why the resistance to having it yanked because the risk of corking off is .7% But lookie. I hear all the time how the FDA should get out of our lives on one hand, and burrow further into them on the other. What do you WANT? Freedom or safety. You can't have it both ways. With freedom comes risk. With safety, lack of choice...and you pay for that lack. We don't want to pay the FDA the billions it takes to do the testing, so we pay the Pharm in the cost of the drugs that do get approved to cover those which don't and they write their own ticket accordingly. For every billion the Pharm spends getting a drug approved, they spend 5 billion on the ones that don't pass the initial phases...and you wonder why approved drugs cost so much and why they might want to fudge the data just a little bit and balance the risk of being sued against the probability of staying solvent. The cost of that pill is something like 25 cents for the pill and 25 dollars to insure against possible risks if ANY one dies or comes to harm, disregarding everyone that doesn't. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Even if told the side effects of death people will still take a drug as they do not believe they will be the one that has that side effect. I know someone that has soft bones and she takes a drug that helps the bones be stronger but one of the side effects is death. To me this is not a good trade off. There is no logic to me the benefits to not outweigh the risk when there are other methods to increase bone density that do not have death as a side effect. Louise -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners. snip if they had been given the information - may not have gotten sick if they had known that it could have had that effect. For instance, the thousands of people who died from taking Vioxx - if they had been told that this was a possibility - would they have still taken it? Some may 'because the doctor said,' but some might not haveand they would still be alive today. dee On 27 Feb 2010, at 15:19, Ode Coyote wrote: snip -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
So how many benefited from Vioxx that may have died without it, compared to those that died with it? [I dunno, but that's not the point] Absolutism is just not part of reality...there is never just one answer. [But it does make self defense very expensive for a drug company when lawyers prosecute on absolutist terms using absolutist juries ] The doctor is required to inform of risks...to the best of his knowledge. Nothing is free of risk. It's ALL Relative risk vs probable benefit A doubled risk of heart attack, stroke and death persisted at least a year after people stopped taking withdrawn painkiller Vioxx ..which means what? Double WHAT risk? Does that mean 1 in 10,000 turns into 2 in 10,000 ? The eight researchers reported in The Lancet that in the year after the 2,587-patient study was halted, 34 people who had taken Vioxx and 18 who had taken placebo suffered a heart attack, for a 94 percent higher risk with Vioxx; strokes occurred in 19 Vioxx users and nine people on placebo, for a risk slightly more than double. Altogether, 76 Vioxx users and 46 placebo takers had a heart attack, stroke, blood clot or died during that follow-up year. So, if you have Arthritis, your risk may be higher of stroke and Vioxx doubles that, but Vioxx is only part of the whole problem where WHY you are using it plays a role. According to the study the risk is 1% if you used it and .6 % if you didn't with the reason for doing so in common and not using it doesn't mean you won't have a stoke in a year. If it actually does reduce pain and reduces other risks like gastrointestinal inflammation over older anti-inflammatory drugs and could also prevent recurrence of colon cancer compared to other pain killers...is that risk acceptable compared to another risk of colon cancer coming back or getting a stomach ulcer? Aspirin is a derivative of a natural substance and the death toll record from using it isn't clean...yet, it's pretty safe, but not as safe as marijuana which does have a clean record, yet is illegal.[in most places] Aspirin is touted to prevent stroke etc, but also may harm your stomach. What if you used less Vioxx with less Aspirin ? Second hand smoke kills and is bad, yet riding a bus exposes you to the same air born carcinogens spewed out in volumes far greater in a minute than a smoker will exhale over his entire shortened lifetime... and that's OK. You'd be safer walking down wind of the smoker...and maybe get hit my the bus. No matter what you do, you can die. Take the lettuce industry: 5 people get sick and the entire crop is recalled and thrown away even though 10,000 people didn't get sick. How can they stay in business? Do you really want to eliminate your ability to buy lettuce or make it 50 times the price? Can the same thing happen if you grow your own lettuce? Sure it can. But the odds are very low still and there is no one to sue. ..not to mention that lettuce has a compound in it similar to Opium which has killed many many people, but has also saved many many people from suffering intolerable pain. The logic is that automobiles should be outlawed because, despite being useful in most cases, some people die in them and even though they know they can be deadly, people take them to work and some don't make it there...and they sometimes kill pedestrians who are avoiding the risks of driving. Don't eat lettuce ! It has Opium in it ! ...and you made all the deer and rabbits into junkies by growing it without using razor wire electric fences to cut them to ribbons and shock the crap out of them for their own good. So MJ Fox has the shakes and he drinks Diet Coke. Would he have the shakes if he didn't? There's no way to know. Many people that shake have never touched Diet Coke. How many people swill down that nasty tasting stuff like water and don't get the shakes? Does Aspertame cause something, or does it merely contribute to another cause..or is it just happenstance being lumped into a myth and called the absolute unavoidable truth when only one in a million people fit the stats for who knows what actual combination of reasons ? NOTHING is absolutely harmless...not even plain water. Ode At 05:30 PM 2/27/2010 +, you wrote: I *can* see most of that Ode, but I do think that if there is a possibility that a substance that is sold as harmless - or even beneficial - is *not* then people should have the knowledge given to them, so that they can make an informed choice. After all, you or I could drink this with impunity, but there may be others who - if they had been given the information - may not have gotten sick if they had known that it could have had that effect. For instance, the thousands of people who died from taking Vioxx - if they had been told that this was a possibility - would they have still taken it? Some may 'because the doctor said,' but some might not haveand they would still be alive
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Well I suppose if we all thought like that, then we wouldn't bother to make CS either! There wouldn't be any point, because we could just go and take the anti-biotics the doctor gives us as they may or may not, kill us, but hey - who cares - we are going to die of something anyway! dee On 28 Feb 2010, at 15:05, Ode Coyote wrote: So how many benefited from Vioxx that may have died without it, compared to those that died with it? [I dunno, but that's not the point] Absolutism is just not part of reality...there is never just one answer. [But it does make self defense very expensive for a drug company when lawyers prosecute on absolutist terms using absolutist juries ] The doctor is required to inform of risks...to the best of his knowledge. Nothing is free of risk. It's ALL Relative risk vs probable benefit A doubled risk of heart attack, stroke and death persisted at least a year after people stopped taking withdrawn painkiller Vioxx ..which means what? Double WHAT risk? Does that mean 1 in 10,000 turns into 2 in 10,000 ? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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The other side of that story is those looking for something easy to blame and a following to make them feel important. The impossible solution is the easy fight..blaming what you can't control is very safe but totally ineffective with no way to win, but every way to continue the good fight and stick somebody up on a leader pedestal that fears falling off and will say *anything* to stay up there. You will find propaganda on both sides of any issue. You just can't trust anyone to think for you, not on either side. I asked biochemists that don't make sweeteners and they confirmed the info. So what. What is true doesn't matter. If the consumer avoids Apsertame for any reason, true or not. It WILL NOT BE SOLD. Regardless of what is true, I am making my contribution to the elimination of crappy tasting sweeteners with no dispute possible. The balance of value in any belief belongs to each individual. Here's the thang: The instant that some else is held responsible for anothers choices, both their choices AND yours will become limited in self defense. If I am required to clean up after you and you after me, I will naturally try to keep you from making a mess...and vice versa. What constitutes a mess is then a personal opinion made public and the public can never agree on anything and will stuff EVERYONE into a box where no one can do anything. To control another is like begging to become a slave. There are then no others, they are all YOU, out of control...and begging for it. Universal Health Care is the absolute WORST thing we could possibly do to our own personal freedom. Buying collision insurance is quite bad enough to make people not care how they drive. If a knife blade sticking out of a steering column were standard equipment, the accident rate would go to near zero. [and one per customer] The Constitution outlines the greatest of wisdoms: You are free to shoot yourself in the foot, but not to make me dance. Anything else is a fast track to a pool of quicksand for all concerned. The unwinnable fight where both winners and losers are losers. The label on the box is plenty enough for YOU to make YOUR choice. As for me, one bite or swig spit out does the job of making that my last purchase. Now, I LIKE Corn Syrup and if it kills me, I'll die fat and happy...but, I drink one Coke a day, if that, and I'll probably survive that regardless...only to fall off my tractor and get myself bush hogged. In that case, the dogs can have the pieces of sweet meat and you are not required to even gather them up. Back in the old days, the gun fighter stuffed dollars into an empty chamber, one, to not shoot off his toes and two, to pay the undertaker if he went toes up. What happened to that? Ode At 01:26 PM 2/26/2010 +, you wrote: Makes sense so farbutwhat if the studies were done by people who had an agenda in pronouncing it safe? This has been done many times i.e the cigarette companies spring to mind here plus vaccine and statin manufacturers. I still cannot believe that so many people have condemned this substance without cause, and I for one won't be drinking anything with it in--plus, as you say--it tastes like crap too! dee On 26 Feb 2010, at 09:59, Ode Coyote wrote: Yup..and they are all true if you ignore context and proportion...like..you know..the facts without all the varnish. Formaldehyde is also a natural metabolite of many healthy foods. Different people metabolize things in different proportions. Methanol and formaldehyde is what makes some drunks skin stink and have hangovers...and some don't. It's like that bad sugar thing with Corn Syrup and glucose...they ALL metabolize into Glucose which you can't live without, so why is any sugar any different than any other? Isn't the problem simply to much sugar in conjunction with problems in handing it? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I *can* see most of that Ode, but I do think that if there is a possibility that a substance that is sold as harmless - or even beneficial - is *not* then people should have the knowledge given to them, so that they can make an informed choice. After all, you or I could drink this with impunity, but there may be others who - if they had been given the information - may not have gotten sick if they had known that it could have had that effect. For instance, the thousands of people who died from taking Vioxx - if they had been told that this was a possibility - would they have still taken it? Some may 'because the doctor said,' but some might not haveand they would still be alive today. dee On 27 Feb 2010, at 15:19, Ode Coyote wrote: The other side of that story is those looking for something easy to blame and a following to make them feel important. The impossible solution is the easy fight..blaming what you can't control is very safe but totally ineffective with no way to win, but every way to continue the good fight and stick somebody up on a leader pedestal that fears falling off and will say *anything* to stay up there. You will find propaganda on both sides of any issue. You just can't trust anyone to think for you, not on either side. I asked biochemists that don't make sweeteners and they confirmed the info. So what. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yup..and they are all true if you ignore context and
proportion...like..you know..the facts without all the varnish.
Formaldehyde is also a natural metabolite of many healthy foods.
Different people metabolize things in different proportions.
Methanol and formaldehyde is what makes some drunks skin stink and have
hangovers...and some don't.
It's like that bad sugar thing with Corn Syrup and glucose...they ALL
metabolize into Glucose which you can't live without, so why is any sugar
any different than any other?
Isn't the problem simply to much sugar in conjunction with problems in
handing it?
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Aspartame is composed of two substances, aspartic acid and a methyl ester
of phenylalanine. High heat can cause aspartame to break down into
byproducts, including methanol, but so do the normal digestive and
metabolic processes in the body.
The process of digesting aspartame goes something like this. Phenylalanine
is broken down into methanol. Methanol is broken down into formaldehyde.
Formaldehyde is turned to formic acid. Ultimately the formic acid is turned
into water and carbon dioxide.
But aren't methanol (also known as wood alcohol) and formaldehyde (commonly
used as an organic preservative, embalming fluid, for example) highly toxic
substances? Yes, they are. But it's important to remember that the human
body is a happy little chemical factory built to handle the conversion of
methanol and formaldehyde into water and carbon dioxide.
Let's put this in perspective: the average diet cola contains about 200
milligrams of aspartame. About 1/10 of that aspartame gets metabolized into
methanol. [And some portion of that into formaldehyde ]
For comparison, a serving of tomato juice the same sizes as a can of diet
cola will produce about five times the methanol in your body as the
aspertame in the diet cola. Fruits, fruit juices, vegetables, wine and beer
will also produced methanol when digested. The chemical plant in your body
can handle it in moderation, even in excess.
So maybe there is something special about how aspertame is broken down that
interferes with how the body handles methanol and formaldehyde. Nope, not
according to current scientific research.
Studies have tested how aspartame is converted into methanol. One study
showed that consumption of 2000 milligrams of aspartame - that's 10 cans of
diet soda - had no effect on the amount of methanol present in the
bloodstream. Another study showed that ingestion of 600 mg of aspartame per
hour for eight hours - that's 24 cans of diet soda - did not increase the
amount of methanol in the bloodstream to abnormal or harmful levels. Yet
another study showed that subjects were able to consume 10,000 milligrams
of aspartame - that's the equivalent of 50 cans of diet soda - without ill
effects and the level of methanol in the bloodstream returned to normal
levels within eight hours.
http://tafkac.org/ulz/nutrasweet.html
OK, so the studies were done with normal people and not everyone is normal.
What that means is..IF somebody is having trouble with Aspertame. it's
not the Aspertame, but their metabolism and they should also avoid tomato
juice and alcohol until they get their metabolism straightened out.
Aspertame STILL tastes like CRAP.
The buzzz..{Give me sugar, or give me meth}
I mean, why CAN'T I drink decaf coffee with some methamphetamine in it ?
Ode
At 01:05 PM 2/25/2010 +, you wrote:
Hmm...I'm still out on that one Ode. I have read a lot of things about
aspartame from different sources and they all agree that it is a toxic
nerve poison. That dorway.com which someone posted for something else,
has *huge* articles about it. People that ingest it can get symptoms
which mimic things like MS and are misdiagnosed. I know it contains
phenylanalin which is a natural substance for the body to use, but it is
not necessarily in a *form* or amount that the body can use. Apparently
it can also turn into formaldehyde when in certain conditions. I wouldn't
touch it with a pole! dee
On 25 Feb 2010, at 11:25, Ode Coyote wrote:
Too much of anything will do that.
I didn't say anything about aspartame excitotoxins.
The question is, are those any different than the ones the nerves
*need* in the proper amounts ?
I don't know the answer and aspartame tastes like pure crap to me, so I
don't get anywhere near it for that reason alone.
From looking into it and consulting actual biochemists who could list
the metabolites right off the top of their heads, the whole aspartame
thing is an exaggeration of a natural process that the body does anyhow,
on it's own, having to do with methanol.
Many foods digest into methanol, some 50 times more so than Aspertame
and are considered to be healthy foods.
One glass of wine produces at least as much methanol as a case of Diet
Coke.
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Makes sense so farbutwhat if the studies were done by people who had an agenda in pronouncing it safe? This has been done many times i.e the cigarette companies spring to mind here plus vaccine and statin manufacturers. I still cannot believe that so many people have condemned this substance without cause, and I for one won't be drinking anything with it in--plus, as you say--it tastes like crap too! dee On 26 Feb 2010, at 09:59, Ode Coyote wrote: Yup..and they are all true if you ignore context and proportion...like..you know..the facts without all the varnish. Formaldehyde is also a natural metabolite of many healthy foods. Different people metabolize things in different proportions. Methanol and formaldehyde is what makes some drunks skin stink and have hangovers...and some don't. It's like that bad sugar thing with Corn Syrup and glucose...they ALL metabolize into Glucose which you can't live without, so why is any sugar any different than any other? Isn't the problem simply to much sugar in conjunction with problems in handing it? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Too much of anything will do that. I didn't say anything about aspartame excitotoxins. The question is, are those any different than the ones the nerves *need* in the proper amounts ? I don't know the answer and aspartame tastes like pure crap to me, so I don't get anywhere near it for that reason alone. From looking into it and consulting actual biochemists who could list the metabolites right off the top of their heads, the whole aspartame thing is an exaggeration of a natural process that the body does anyhow, on it's own, having to do with methanol. Many foods digest into methanol, some 50 times more so than Aspertame and are considered to be healthy foods. One glass of wine produces at least as much methanol as a case of Diet Coke. Is methanol toxic? SURE it is. But the body is DESIGNED to handle it up to a point and that point will never be reached by drinking Coke. If, however, you are already AT that point, some Coke could push you over the edge, but avoiding something else would do a lot better job. ode At 06:34 PM 2/24/2010 +, you wrote: But what I read said that the aspartame excitotoxins cause nerves to die? Is this not right then? dee On 24 Feb 2010, at 15:01, Ode Coyote wrote: At 06:25 PM 2/23/2010 +, you wrote: But aspartame is a known neurotoxin (exitotoxin) sol, Blankets...you can't stay alive without excitotoxins. Look a little deeper. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hmm...I'm still out on that one Ode. I have read a lot of things about aspartame from different sources and they all agree that it is a toxic nerve poison. That dorway.com which someone posted for something else, has *huge* articles about it. People that ingest it can get symptoms which mimic things like MS and are misdiagnosed. I know it contains phenylanalin which is a natural substance for the body to use, but it is not necessarily in a *form* or amount that the body can use. Apparently it can also turn into formaldehyde when in certain conditions. I wouldn't touch it with a pole! dee On 25 Feb 2010, at 11:25, Ode Coyote wrote: Too much of anything will do that. I didn't say anything about aspartame excitotoxins. The question is, are those any different than the ones the nerves *need* in the proper amounts ? I don't know the answer and aspartame tastes like pure crap to me, so I don't get anywhere near it for that reason alone. From looking into it and consulting actual biochemists who could list the metabolites right off the top of their heads, the whole aspartame thing is an exaggeration of a natural process that the body does anyhow, on it's own, having to do with methanol. Many foods digest into methanol, some 50 times more so than Aspertame and are considered to be healthy foods. One glass of wine produces at least as much methanol as a case of Diet Coke. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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At 06:25 PM 2/23/2010 +, you wrote: But aspartame is a known neurotoxin (exitotoxin) sol, Blankets...you can't stay alive without excitotoxins. Look a little deeper. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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But what I read said that the aspartame excitotoxins cause nerves to die? Is this not right then? dee On 24 Feb 2010, at 15:01, Ode Coyote wrote: At 06:25 PM 2/23/2010 +, you wrote: But aspartame is a known neurotoxin (exitotoxin) sol, Blankets...you can't stay alive without excitotoxins. Look a little deeper. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well, what I might do is send her the information about the mag dioxide in carbonated water, and let her have the recipes for different flavours, the coke taste-alike, if I remember correctly, being tamarind paste, which I happen to have. Made harder by the fact that she has just moved, so I can't carbonate her water for her. But if she is sufficiently shocked, she just might think along these lines. The tin didn't actually look like coke, just some cola look-alike, but even so, there are better options. Rowena On 23/02/2010 3:48 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Get her to at least switch to the diet coke with splenda. It isn't good, but at least it is not as deadly as their main diet coke. Marshall D -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I meant type 2 dee On 22 Feb 2010, at 18:51, Dan Nave wrote: Type 11 diabetes! That's bad Dan On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me. She has type 11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also statins and pain killers for her neuropathy, but still she keeps swigging diet Coke! dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:39, Rowena wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell it then it must be allright! dee On 22 Feb 2010, at 19:48, Marshall Dudley wrote: Get her to at least switch to the diet coke with splenda. It isn't good, but at least it is not as deadly as their main diet coke. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Have her look at dorway.com Even the FDA has a list of problems it can cause, including death if I remember right. Marshall Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell it then it must be allright! dee On 22 Feb 2010, at 19:48, Marshall Dudley wrote: Get her to at least switch to the diet coke with splenda. It isn't good, but at least it is not as deadly as their main diet coke. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks for this Marshall. dee On 23 Feb 2010, at 15:51, Marshall Dudley wrote: Have her look at dorway.com Even the FDA has a list of problems it can cause, including death if I remember right. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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At 04:48 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote: I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell it then it must be allright! dee If you mean diet sodas with aspartame, I have to say it doesn't bother me. People who are sensitive to it should not use it, but then that applies to everything. I don't get any adverse effects from it nor does my husband, and from all the scare stories I've read about aspartame, he should be either dead or crippled in a wheelchair by now, and nothing remotely adverse has happened to him. For those who do need to avoid sugar but would like something a bit sweet from time to time, it is better tasting than any other sweetener that I have tried, even stevia. Though I do use stevia a lot, and have so far confined my aspartame intake to an occasional diet pepsi. The splenda sweetened coke just doesn't taste right. I don't consume a lot of diet pop though. I prefer my decaf coffee and I prefer it unsweetened as I do my decaf tea. But when I need a bit of caffeine, I will have 4 to 8 oz of diet pepsi. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
But aspartame is a known neurotoxin (exitotoxin) sol, and has also been cited as causing cancer among other things. I believe it is on the agenda of the FDA at the moment as so many have called for a ban on it. It was banned for many years until Reagan got into power and then it was allowed, as its discoverer was a friend of his (so I read.) My friend suffers from really sensitive skin on her legs and feet and cannot bear to have them even brushed up against. Only one of many of her ailments, so I would have thought that to keep drinking something which is known to damage nerves would be the height of folly. dee On 23 Feb 2010, at 17:49, sol wrote: At 04:48 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote: I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell it then it must be allright! dee If you mean diet sodas with aspartame, I have to say it doesn't bother me. People who are sensitive to it should not use it, but then that applies to everything. I don't get any adverse effects from it nor does my husband, and from all the scare stories I've read about aspartame, he should be either dead or crippled in a wheelchair by now, and nothing remotely adverse has happened to him. For those who do need to avoid sugar but would like something a bit sweet from time to time, it is better tasting than any other sweetener that I have tried, even stevia. Though I do use stevia a lot, and have so far confined my aspartame intake to an occasional diet pepsi. The splenda sweetened coke just doesn't taste right. I don't consume a lot of diet pop though. I prefer my decaf coffee and I prefer it unsweetened as I do my decaf tea. But when I need a bit of caffeine, I will have 4 to 8 oz of diet pepsi. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
sol wrote: At 04:48 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote: I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell it then it must be allright! dee If you mean diet sodas with aspartame, I have to say it doesn't bother me. People who are sensitive to it should not use it, but then that applies to everything. I don't get any adverse effects from it nor does my husband, and from all the scare stories I've read about aspartame, he should be either dead or crippled in a wheelchair by now, and nothing remotely adverse has happened to him. For those who do need to avoid sugar but would like something a bit sweet from time to time, it is better tasting than any other sweetener that I have tried, even stevia. Though I do use stevia a lot, and have so far confined my aspartame intake to an occasional diet pepsi. The splenda sweetened coke just doesn't taste right. I don't consume a lot of diet pop though. I prefer my decaf coffee and I prefer it unsweetened as I do my decaf tea. But when I need a bit of caffeine, I will have 4 to 8 oz of diet pepsi. If affects different people different ways, and may take years to manifest some things in some people. Many things though once you find it did cause the problem it is too late. For instance we were warning my sister in law that if she kept drinking diet cokes with aspertame in it she was going to get brain tumors (yes, that was dowsed for). She ignored that, kept drinking them, and laster had to have a brain operation to remove the tumors. Unbelievable though, even though forewarned, with the warning coming true, she still drinks them. I guess she has a death wish. Marshall sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Well, I'm sorry to tell you but MY personal experience is that I feel the same whether having some or being off it completely for years at a time. I just feel no adverse effects from it. It was one of the first things I looked at given my known health issues. If removing something for several years from one's diet doesn't fix anything, and starting up again does not increase anything, I don't see the point, myself. And I have read that it is an individual sensitivity issue, and for us at this house it does seem to be just that, and we have decided not to worry about it. BTW, I do agree the FDA is lax on this, and don't really care how many adverse reports they receive. I even read somewhere that they long ago stopped collecting adverse event data on it. Now, if they were to bring back Cyclamate, which were exonerated umpty ump years ago I'd be a happy camper. Meantime, I try to not use too much of any sweetener, but I don't have any fear of a bit of aspartame now and then. sol At 11:25 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote: But aspartame is a known neurotoxin (exitotoxin) sol, and has also been cited as causing cancer among other things. I believe it is on the agenda of the FDA at the moment as so many have called for a ban on it. It was banned for many years until Reagan got into power and then it was allowed, as its discoverer was a friend of his (so I read.) My friend suffers from really sensitive skin on her legs and feet and cannot bear to have them even brushed up against. Only one of many of her ailments, so I would have thought that to keep drinking something which is known to damage nerves would be the height of folly. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
I think the thing with this type of product is that you wouldn't necessarily notice anything happening at all, until it was too late. However, as long as people are aware of the danger and can make an informed choice, then that is of course, their prerogative. dee On 23 Feb 2010, at 19:03, sol wrote: Well, I'm sorry to tell you but MY personal experience is that I feel the same whether having some or being off it completely for years at a time. I just feel no adverse effects from it. It was one of the first things I looked at given my known health issues. If removing something for several years from one's diet doesn't fix anything, and starting up again does not increase anything, I don't see the point, myself. And I have read that it is an individual sensitivity issue, and for us at this house it does seem to be just that, and we have decided not to worry about it. BTW, I do agree the FDA is lax on this, and don't really care how many adverse reports they receive. I even read somewhere that they long ago stopped collecting adverse event data on it. Now, if they were to bring back Cyclamate, which were exonerated umpty ump years ago I'd be a happy camper. Meantime, I try to not use too much of any sweetener, but I don't have any fear of a bit of aspartame now and then. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Sol writes: Meantime, I try to not use too much of any sweetener, but I don't have any fear of a bit of aspartame now and then. sol I think this is the ultimate secret to Sol's success! Most of the incidents of people having real bad outcomes with such products seem to be linked with major use... How many do you hear being described as addicted to the stuff? I will *rarely* take a swig or two of an aspertame sweetened beverage if I'm desparate for the taste. It's not like the stuff is acutely toxic. That's why they get away with selling it. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Type 11 diabetes! That's bad Dan On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me. She has type 11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also statins and pain killers for her neuropathy, but still she keeps swigging diet Coke! dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:39, Rowena wrote: Reposted in plain text. It is true, apparently, that they use sweetener as well as sugar, and I read that the reason is that it is cheaper for them to sweeten the drinks with the chemicals than with the real sugar. They don't necessarily identify the fact that sugar is not the only sweetener, either, at least not where I live. Probably if it is below a certain quantity they don't need to report it, and let's face it, very little chemical is needed to sweeten it. There is a pretty horrific list of tales people tell of their symptoms when using Splenda, for instance, which I looked up after the aspartame articles. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Get her to at least switch to the diet coke with splenda. It isn't good, but at least it is not as deadly as their main diet coke. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: Type 11 diabetes! That's bad Dan On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me. She has type 11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also statins and pain killers for her neuropathy, but still she keeps swigging diet Coke! dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:39, Rowena wrote: Reposted in plain text. It is true, apparently, that they use sweetener as well as sugar, and I read that the reason is that it is cheaper for them to sweeten the drinks with the chemicals than with the real sugar. They don't necessarily identify the fact that sugar is not the only sweetener, either, at least not where I live. Probably if it is below a certain quantity they don't need to report it, and let's face it, very little chemical is needed to sweeten it. There is a pretty horrific list of tales people tell of their symptoms when using Splenda, for instance, which I looked up after the aspartame articles. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Reposted in plain text. It is true, apparently, that they use sweetener as well as sugar, and I read that the reason is that it is cheaper for them to sweeten the drinks with the chemicals than with the real sugar. They don't necessarily identify the fact that sugar is not the only sweetener, either, at least not where I live. Probably if it is below a certain quantity they don't need to report it, and let's face it, very little chemical is needed to sweeten it. There is a pretty horrific list of tales people tell of their symptoms when using Splenda, for instance, which I looked up after the aspartame articles. A dear friend of mine has been telling me about her new illnesses, diabetes and high blood pressure and a few other things. Then I noticed a packet of Splenda on her coffee table. And she was also swigging some sort of Cola drink during our hot weather. I forwarded your emails to her, Lois and Annie, with a whole swag of the Splenda complaints, too. Up to her now, poor darling - she has enough to put up with having no disks between her vertebrae any more, and has to spend a lot of time lying down. I hope she gets the message the Splenda users are passing on. R On 19/02/2010 7:57 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Thanks for this Lois, I think all products containing artificial sweeteners should be avoided, but they even put it in when there is *sugar* in it as well! Unbelievable! dee On 18 Feb 2010, at 21:51, zzekel...@aol.com mailto:zzekel...@aol.com wrote: I just got this today.aminosweet http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2010/02/15/aspartame-has-been-renamed-and-is-now-being-marketed-as-a-natural-sweetener/aminosweet/ Artificial sweeteners especially aspartame has gotten a bad rap over the years, most likely due to studies showing they cause cancer. But not to worry Ajinomoto the company that makes Aspartame has changed the name to AminoSweet. It has the same toxic ingredients but a nice new sounding name. Lois -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me. She has type 11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also statins and pain killers for her neuropathy, but still she keeps swigging diet Coke! dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:39, Rowena wrote: Reposted in plain text. It is true, apparently, that they use sweetener as well as sugar, and I read that the reason is that it is cheaper for them to sweeten the drinks with the chemicals than with the real sugar. They don't necessarily identify the fact that sugar is not the only sweetener, either, at least not where I live. Probably if it is below a certain quantity they don't need to report it, and let's face it, very little chemical is needed to sweeten it. There is a pretty horrific list of tales people tell of their symptoms when using Splenda, for instance, which I looked up after the aspartame articles. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
I quit drinking anything but water and tea/coffee. Yeah coffee/tea isn't the greatest either, but it is my guilty pleasure:) Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me. She has type 11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also statins and pain killers for her neuropathy, but still she keeps swigging diet Coke! dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:39, Rowena wrote: Reposted in plain text. It is true, apparently, that they use sweetener as well as sugar, and I read that the reason is that it is cheaper for them to sweeten the drinks with the chemicals than with the real sugar. They don't necessarily identify the fact that sugar is not the only sweetener, either, at least not where I live. Probably if it is below a certain quantity they don't need to report it, and let's face it, very little chemical is needed to sweeten it. There is a pretty horrific list of tales people tell of their symptoms when using Splenda, for instance, which I looked up after the aspartame articles. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
