Re: CS>Distilling technique...
For shame, Mike. You're trying to make "pure" without ANY instumentation? Go get your head on straight, first. Then change the batteries... Chuck It's not that I don't believe in the system--I don't believe that there IS a system On 9/17/2008 8:23:38 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote: > Interesting idea, Ken... > > As for the taste of distilled water, > I've been drinking the stuff from > the store, brought home in 2 1/2 gallon jugs, for a number of years. It > tastes much better than this, and actually quite good. It is steam > distilled and ozonated. > > I wonder if I'm > going to have to aerate it as Bob suggests, and maybe > even ozonate to get a similar good tasting product. > > I know that distilled is hungry and will pick up anything in its > environment. > I've believed that really pure water is basically without > taste. > > No I don't > have a good conductance meter, and my old TDS-1 is stashed > somewhere with no batteries. Reading with an ohm meter I get both tap > water and my "distilled" at about 600k and the bottled distilled at > about 8-900 k... > They're not very steady readings so this is sort of > averaged by eye. > > I need to look into filtering, while I continue to re-think the > mechanical design. > > Thanks for the advice and ideas, folks. > > Be well, > > Mike D. > > > > > > >You did check it with a good meter, right? > > > > Could be..the very pure water is 'pulling' No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1675 - Release Date: 9/16/2008 7:06 PM
Re: CS>Distilling technique...
Interesting idea, Ken... As for the taste of distilled water, I've been drinking the stuff from the store, brought home in 2 1/2 gallon jugs, for a number of years. It tastes much better than this, and actually quite good. It is steam distilled and ozonated. I wonder if I'm going to have to aerate it as Bob suggests, and maybe even ozonate to get a similar good tasting product. I know that distilled is hungry and will pick up anything in its environment. I've believed that really pure water is basically without taste. No I don't have a good conductance meter, and my old TDS-1 is stashed somewhere with no batteries. Reading with an ohm meter I get both tap water and my "distilled" at about 600k and the bottled distilled at about 8-900 k... They're not very steady readings so this is sort of averaged by eye. I need to look into filtering, while I continue to re-think the mechanical design. Thanks for the advice and ideas, folks. Be well, Mike D. > > >You did check it with a good meter, right? > > Could be..the very pure water is 'pulling' flavors the wrong way through > the taste buds...and you are tasting you? Aerate it [wait a few days] > and see if it changes. > > Yes, really should charcoal filter it first > > Ode [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Distilling technique...
You did check it with a good meter, right? Could be..the very pure water is 'pulling' flavors the wrong way through the taste buds...and you are tasting you? Aerate it [wait a few days] and see if it changes. Yes, really should charcoal filter it first Ode At 03:06 PM 9/16/2008 +0005, you wrote: Those of you who've been making your own distilled water for a while can probably answer this... Now that I've been able to make a few gallons of my own "distilled" water, I'm less than thrilled with the taste of it. If I didn't know any better I'd say it tastes a bit like plastic, though my senses of taste and smell are marginal at the moment. In any case, it definitely has a stale or chemical kind of taste to it. The distillate path consists entirely of the glass lid and glass jar. Could the glass be leaching something? I let the water come to a rolling boil before putting the lid on, so I'd assume any volatiles are boiling off. Is that adequate? Or, are there things in the tap water that are close enough to the boiling point of water that they're getting carried through the distillation process? I suppose I should filter the tap water before distilling, right? That and maybe collecting rainwater? Any advice? Thanks! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1675 - Release Date: 9/16/2008 7:06 PM
Re: CS>Distilling technique...
Every batch of distilled water I have ever purchased has this taste, and I had assumed it was from the plastic containers. Your letter suggests it may not be. On Wednesday, Sep 17, 2008, at 00:11 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: If I didn't know any better I'd say it tastes a bit like plastic, though my senses of taste and smell are marginal at the moment. In any case, it definitely has a stale or chemical kind of taste to it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Distilling technique...
Mike; I have a fairly expensive distiller and I find I have to draw off the tap water in pails and let sit for at least 18 to 24 hours to let the chlorine in it dissipate.Then I double distill it for CS/EIS,if I don't sometimes it does taste different. Also there is a lot of sediment that settles out too,ranging from a light tan to a muddy brown color. If I don't do this,then the brewing can be all over the map.Not every time, but has happened enough that I don't vary from the above regimen now unless I really need some brew.. Harold - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: CS>Distilling technique... Those of you who've been making your own distilled water for a while can probably answer this... Now that I've been able to make a few gallons of my own "distilled" water, I'm less than thrilled with the taste of it. If I didn't know I suppose I should filter the tap water before distilling, right? That and maybe collecting rainwater? Any advice? Thanks! Mike D. -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Distilling technique...
MIKE wrote: Now that I've been able to make a few gallons of my own "distilled" water, I'm less than thrilled with the taste of it. If I didn't know any better I'd say it tastes a bit like plastic . . . it definitely has a stale or chemical kind of taste to it. . . . Could the glass be leaching something? Mike, Unfortunately, distilled water by nature tastes awful. Most people don't realize that it's the minerals in water that give it its taste. And, of course, DW doesn't contain minerals. Nenah
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Hi Mike, some things occur to me; not all the organics are volatile at boiling or below; as an example of this consider that some purification processes use steam distillation to carry over oils in a water bath. Further the stainless may leach something into the boiling water, something it's pores could hold with a tenacity that resists rinsing and the initial "drive off the volatiles" process. Glass is best, some of the old pyrex stuff is available at goodwills, though it's a little small for the batches you're making. You might try using a vacuum to lower the B.P., in conjunction with a closed system; say a pressure cooker and a coil condenser. I used to run a pressure cooker with a homemade cooling coil of stainless immersed in a cool-water bath and directly into a glass jug. worked pretty well. I've ended up with a R.O. system and then a mixed resin bed de-ionizer, gets both pos and neg ions, and get water down to a nominal 0.1 microSiemens as measured on a com 100. Thass good enough for me, also passes the taste test. When tasting water, though, it's a good idea to have a comparison sample of water you can trust; rinse and go back and forth a few times.. Rainwater may or may not be good, depends on what pollutants may be in the air. Temperature control can be a significant factor, glass is always best, borosilicate lab glass. So-called soda glass, common, is not the ultimate, but usually works, 'specially after a (VERY tiny) bit of sodium has leached out of it, but that's down to Assay work. Hope this helps, Malcolm On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 15:06 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote: > Those of you who've been making your own distilled water for a while > can probably answer this... > > Now that I've been able to make a few gallons of my own "distilled" > water, I'm less than thrilled with the taste of it. If I didn't know > any better I'd say it tastes a bit like plastic, though my senses of > taste and smell are marginal at the moment. In any case, it definitely > has a stale or chemical kind of taste to it. > > The distillate path consists entirely of the glass lid and glass jar. > Could the glass be leaching something? > > I let the water come to a rolling boil before putting the lid on, so > I'd assume any volatiles are boiling off. Is that adequate? Or, are > there things in the tap water that are close enough to the boiling > point of water that they're getting carried through the distillation > process? > > I suppose I should filter the tap water before distilling, right? > > That and maybe collecting rainwater? > > Any advice? Thanks! > > Mike D. > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Distilling technique...
Good information on distilling at homedistiller.org. It has construction techniques and how to calculate distillation rates base on design. Applicable to water as well as other beverages. - Steve - Original Message - From: Ruth Bertella To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue Sep 16 14:47:28 2008 Subject: Re: CS>Distilling technique... okey, dokey... I'll throw in a monkey wrench (or not since this is totally unfamiliar territory for me)... >wink< Several weeks ago I was researching water filters/processes to remove fluoride from tap water. Somewhere in all this research (don't ask for links, please, as it was a hit/miss search and I didn't save any of it) I read that boiling tap water increases the amount of fluoride in it!! I have no idea what, if any, affect this would have in distilling the water - just throwin y'all a curve. (maybe?) Anyway, from that search I decided what I needed was a reverse osmosis filter system. I'm looking for a very cheap way to rid my water of fluoride... but have decided to keep my pots and pans for cookin... LOL Ruth - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com> To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: CS>Distilling technique... Those of you who've been making your own distilled water for a while can probably answer this... Now that I've been able to make a few gallons of my own "distilled" water, I'm less than thrilled with the taste of it. If I didn't know any better I'd say it tastes a bit like plastic, though my senses of taste and smell are marginal at the moment. In any case, it definitely has a stale or chemical kind of taste to it. The distillate path consists entirely of the glass lid and glass jar. Could the glass be leaching something? I let the water come to a rolling boil before putting the lid on, so I'd assume any volatiles are boiling off. Is that adequate? Or, are there things in the tap water that are close enough to the boiling point of water that they're getting carried through the distillation process? I suppose I should filter the tap water before distilling, right? That and maybe collecting rainwater? Any advice? Thanks! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Distilling technique...
okey, dokey... I'll throw in a monkey wrench (or not since this is totally unfamiliar territory for me)... >wink< Several weeks ago I was researching water filters/processes to remove fluoride from tap water. Somewhere in all this research (don't ask for links, please, as it was a hit/miss search and I didn't save any of it) I read that boiling tap water increases the amount of fluoride in it!! I have no idea what, if any, affect this would have in distilling the water - just throwin y'all a curve. (maybe?) Anyway, from that search I decided what I needed was a reverse osmosis filter system. I'm looking for a very cheap way to rid my water of fluoride... but have decided to keep my pots and pans for cookin... LOL Ruth - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: CS>Distilling technique... Those of you who've been making your own distilled water for a while can probably answer this... Now that I've been able to make a few gallons of my own "distilled" water, I'm less than thrilled with the taste of it. If I didn't know any better I'd say it tastes a bit like plastic, though my senses of taste and smell are marginal at the moment. In any case, it definitely has a stale or chemical kind of taste to it. The distillate path consists entirely of the glass lid and glass jar. Could the glass be leaching something? I let the water come to a rolling boil before putting the lid on, so I'd assume any volatiles are boiling off. Is that adequate? Or, are there things in the tap water that are close enough to the boiling point of water that they're getting carried through the distillation process? I suppose I should filter the tap water before distilling, right? That and maybe collecting rainwater? Any advice? Thanks! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I filter my tapwater and then double distil it - and yes it tastes yeuch!. I use it for making CS but there's no way I'd drink it apart from that. For drinking I simply filter the water. Cheers Kirsteen > >> >> > >
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I have picked up on what you have said about the taste of the water Mike. I buy my distilled water and it is supposed to be double distilled by Polar distillers. When I put the TDS meter in it, it reads 000 so I am presuming that it is very pure. However, the taste is appalling! It tastes really stale and when I drank some, I had to drink tap water to take away the taste! It also made me feel thirsty. dee M. G. Devour wrote: Those of you who've been making your own distilled water for a while can probably answer this... Now that I've been able to make a few gallons of my own "distilled" water, I'm less than thrilled with the taste of it. If I didn't know any better I'd say it tastes a bit like plastic, though my senses of taste and smell are marginal at the moment. In any case, it definitely has a stale or chemical kind of taste to it. The distillate path consists entirely of the glass lid and glass jar. Could the glass be leaching something? I let the water come to a rolling boil before putting the lid on, so I'd assume any volatiles are boiling off. Is that adequate? Or, are there things in the tap water that are close enough to the boiling point of water that they're getting carried through the distillation process? I suppose I should filter the tap water before distilling, right? That and maybe collecting rainwater? Any advice? Thanks! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
