[Simh] VAX and VMS books up for grabs

[Bill Deegan]

Greetings,

Anyone want a copy of:
* VAX/VMS Operation System Concepts
* Version 5.2 VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures
* DECNET Phase V

I'm cleaning out my bookshelves and would rather get them to someone who
wants them than throw them in the trash.

Just pay cost of shipping and their yours.

-Bill
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Re: [Simh] CMake based build (was: Makefile)

[Bill Deegan]

I have more than 5 years experience with SCons and usually problems are
caused by not understanding how it works.

That said, CMake is popular.
I've used both, have more experience with SCons.
Didn't mean to derail the thread, but thought if cmake didn't run on alpha..

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Richard  wrote:

>
> In article 

Re: [Simh] CMake based build (was: Makefile)

[Bill Deegan]

I'm the co-manager of the SCons project and would be willing to assist.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Ray Jewhurst <raywjewhu...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I only have limited experience with SCons but I have found it extremely
> intuitive and easy to use. It could be worth a shot.
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 2:24 PM, "Bill Deegan" <b...@baddogconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there python on alpha? you could use SCons
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Cory Smelosky <b...@gewt.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there cmake for Alpha? ;)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Oct 13, 2016, at 17:41, Richard <legal...@xmission.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Since the build has been a subject of discussion lately, is there any
>>> > interest in migrating to a CMake build?
>>> >
>>> > I'm willing to give it a go if there is interest.
>>> >
>>> > This would completely eliminate the need to duplicate build logic in
>>> > the VS projects as they would simply be generated by CMake.
>>> > --
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>>> http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline>
>>> >The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals-wiki.org>
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Re: [Simh] CMake based build (was: Makefile)

[Bill Deegan]

Is there python on alpha? you could use SCons

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Cory Smelosky  wrote:

> Is there cmake for Alpha? ;)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 13, 2016, at 17:41, Richard  wrote:
> >
> > Since the build has been a subject of discussion lately, is there any
> > interest in migrating to a CMake build?
> >
> > I'm willing to give it a go if there is interest.
> >
> > This would completely eliminate the need to duplicate build logic in
> > the VS projects as they would simply be generated by CMake.
> > --
> > "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book  pipeline>
> >The Terminals Wiki 
> > The Computer Graphics Museum 
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Re: [Simh] text from openvms

[Bill Deegan]

How about FTP?

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Zachary Kline 
wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> Kermit is definitely robust enough to do what you want. You could always
> do the “type the file to your terminal and copy paste,” dance too. That
> would work for text files particularly. ON OS X at least there’s a way to
> save terminal output to a text file as well.
> I don’t know about CDs. I’d think that might be a bit of overkill for what
> you want, Kermit’s pretty easy to set up.
> Best,
> Zack.
>
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Bill Cunningham 
> wrote:
>
> I have been studying the best way to copy from a vax simulator with
> openvms to a linux host, text files. The Docs look like telnet and kermit
> are the way to do it. So is there not a device like ISO that I can copy
> TOO? I wouldn't think because cdrom is RO after all. and 'set rq
> writeenable' isn't working nor is anything to do with cdrom working.
>
> There may be several ways to do this. I am not concerned so much about
> binary files as several .txt files. Am I on the right track with telnet and
> kermit from those who have attempted and done this?
>
> Bill
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Re: [Simh] vax simh and loading file

[Bill Deegan]

For the PAKs I just copy/pasted to get things going. That worked fine.
Bring it up in a text editor on host machine, select all. Then in your simh
window you should be ok to paste.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net>
wrote:

> I see. Forgive me but I don't know if vms has ftp or not. I'm really
> starting out with it. I found some pages for setting up phase iv but need
> to get the PAKs into openvms via simh.
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> *From:* Bill Deegan <b...@baddogconsulting.com>
> *To:* Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 6:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] vax simh and loading file
>
> Was thinking you could run ftp client inside vms and pull from a ftp
> server you push file to..
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure. There's telnet that is in simh too. One might be able to do
>> something there. I tried copy and paste with X servers and it was a horror
>> story. Couldn't copy anything. How would you ftp it into vax then vms? Or
>> telnet it there if possible.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Bill Deegan <b...@baddogconsulting.com>
>> *To:* Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net>
>> *Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 5:16 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] vax simh and loading file
>>
>> Can't ftp it into the vax?
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se>
>>> *To:* Bill Cunningham <bill...@suddenlink.net>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 4:42 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] vax simh and loading file
>>>
>>> On 2016-02-12 22:40, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>> > Hum. I am running in console mode. Cut and paste from one terminal
>>> > window to another? I will have to load some things. That's ok, but I
>>> was
>>> > wondering if simh was able to do this.
>>>
>>> I was just giving a suggestion. :-)
>>> I'm not aware of any really simple way of transporting bytes across the
>>> barrier. I can think of various more or less tricky ways, but no really
>>> simple ones.
>>>
>>> Sure I understand. I had in mind simh could do this though.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
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Re: [Simh] vax simh and loading file

[Bill Deegan]

Can't ftp it into the vax?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Bill Cunningham 
wrote:

>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Johnny Billquist 
> *To:* Bill Cunningham 
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 4:42 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] vax simh and loading file
>
> On 2016-02-12 22:40, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> > Hum. I am running in console mode. Cut and paste from one terminal
> > window to another? I will have to load some things. That's ok, but I was
> > wondering if simh was able to do this.
>
> I was just giving a suggestion. :-)
> I'm not aware of any really simple way of transporting bytes across the
> barrier. I can think of various more or less tricky ways, but no really
> simple ones.
>
> Sure I understand. I had in mind simh could do this though.
>
> Bill
>
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[Simh] simh vax boot right into disk image?

[Bill Deegan]

Greetings,


How do I get simh's vax simulator to boot into a disk image.

Right now I get the ">>>" prompt and then I need to type "boot dua0"

Thanks,
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[Simh] VAX/VMS 6.2 DECnet turned off, still resetting MAC address

[Bill Deegan]

Greetings,

I'm migrating a VMS 6.2 system from real hardware to simh VAX.
We're running on EC2 so DECnet's a no go.

We've disabled the DECnet startup on the system, but when I turn on tracing
I see:
DBG(42740138541)+> XQ ETH: writing  dst: 02:41:0C:98:92:09  src:
AA:00:04:00:20:10  proto: 0x0800  len: 98  crc: B5981F43

Is there a way to enable the debugging before booting up the VAX?
Barring that is there a way to prevent simh catching the "setup packet" and
changing the SRC MAC address?

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Re: [Simh] VAX/VMS 6.2 DECnet turned off, still resetting MAC address

[Bill Deegan]

Mark,

See responses inline.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm <
m...@infocomm.com> wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
>
>
> I’m still looking for details on your network vision/requirements:
>
>
>
> Do you expect communicate between the host system and the simulated VMS
> environment?  If so, how were you thinking you’d achieve this?
>

No need.


>
>
> Historical questions relating to some possible solutions to achieve the,
> as yet not completely specified, network goals:
>
>
>
> Have you previously had LAT enabled on the original VMS system?
>

Yes. But no longer needed. LAT startup has been commented out.


>
>
> Was this VMS system ever part of a VMS Cluster environment?
>

Yes.  But no longer needed.


-Bill

>
>
> - Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Deegan [mailto:b...@baddogconsulting.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:21 PM
> *To:* Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm <m...@infocomm.com>
> *Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] VAX/VMS 6.2 DECnet turned off, still resetting MAC
> address
>
>
>
> Mark,
>
> The system is running multinet, so accessing the system vi TCP/IP and
> telnet will be sufficient for this application.
>
> Not cluster not decnet needed.
>
> -Bill
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm <
> m...@infocomm.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> You want VMS to not try and change the MAC address.
>
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Bill Deegan wrote:
> > I'm migrating a VMS 6.2 system from real hardware to simh VAX.
> > We're running on EC2 so DECnet's a no go.
>
> So, exactly how do you plan/want to access the simulated VAX?
>
> What do you envision the network to look like?
>
> > We've disabled the DECnet startup on the system, but when I turn on
> tracing I see:
> > DBG(42740138541)+> XQ ETH: writing  dst: 02:41:0C:98:92:09  src:
> AA:00:04:00:20:10  proto: 0x0800  len: 98  crc: B5981F43
> >
> > Is there a way to enable the debugging before booting up the VAX?
>
> The same debugging commands that enabled the above XQ debug output can
> certainly be put in the vax configuration file.
>
> I'm not sure how that will help anything.
>
> > Barring that is there a way to prevent simh catching the "setup packet"
> and changing the SRC MAC address?
>
> Something in VMS is changing the MAC address on the simulated interface by
> issuing the appropriate I/O operations to do this.  It may be DECnet or it
> may also be other networking things on the system.
>
> Before we dig into the details of that, answering the above questions
> about how you envision the network to look will be more helpful.
>
> - Mark
>
>
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Bill Deegan]

FYI:

set xq eth1
and then turn off decnet on the install vms system worked like a charm.

Amazon seems to be filtering telnet, so we moved the telnet to port 80 and
success!

For our current needs this will work!


Thanks to all.
-Bill

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm 
m...@infocomm.com wrote:

 OK.



 Consider this:

 1)  A standalone vax/vms system won’t usefully need to run DECnet or
 any cluster stuff.

 2)  From what you describe you don’t really need to talk between the
 simh VAX instance and the host centos system.

 Given these, you can configure the VMS environment to ONLY have an IP
 network stack and avoid DECnet.  This will allow the MAC address of the
 simulated NIC to retain its default value (as set in the simh configuration
 file) rather than dynamically changing to a DECnet form MAC address.



 You should then be able to set the simh configured MAC address to the same
 MAC address as the centos system’s network interface you are using.  Given
 that, you only need to get an additional IP address for use on the
 simulated system.  I haven’t actually tried this, but it “should” work.



 -Mark



 *From:* Bill Deegan [mailto:b...@baddogconsulting.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:40 PM
 *To:* Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
 *Cc:* bill...@buzz1.com; simh@trailing-edge.com

 *Subject:* Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2



 Trying to run vax/vms under simh on centos (or RHEL) 6.6

 Migrating some applications from a physical vax.

 Minimally be able to Telnet into the system from another system.

 Maybe ftp in/out.



 -Bill



 On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm 
 m...@infocomm.com wrote:

 Bill,



 What EXACTLY are you trying to do?   What are you trying to do with the
 VAX/VMS system?





 What is the host OS the simh instance is running under?



 -Mark



 *From:* Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
 Deegan
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:38 PM
 *To:* bill...@buzz1.com
 *Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com


 *Subject:* Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2



 Yup. Correct IP.

 I ran tcpdump on the network and it's not responding to arp addresses from
 the MAC address that VMS changes to.

 -Bill



 On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM, B Degnan bill...@buzz1.com wrote:

 Sorry I'd have to mess around with it to find a solution.  Forgetting about
 NAT, confirm you have the correct internal IP first.  If you don't use
 Amazon a lot it's confusing.  (was to me).
  b



   Original Message 
  From: Bill Deegan b...@baddogconsulting.com

  Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 4:03 PM
  To: Cory Smelosky b...@gewt.net
  Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com simh@trailing-edge.com
  Subject: Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2
 
  Any examples on how to setup vax/vms in simh for NAT?
 
  -Bill
 
  On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Cory Smelosky b...@gewt.net wrote:
 
   Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan b...@baddogconsulting.com
 wrote:
   
Greetings,
   
Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX
 to
   run on an ec2 machine?
   
We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue
   where the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2
 network...
   
Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?
   
Thanks,
Bill
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Bill Deegan]

Any examples on how to setup vax/vms in simh for NAT?

-Bill

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Cory Smelosky b...@gewt.net wrote:

 Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan b...@baddogconsulting.com wrote:
 
  Greetings,
 
  Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX to
 run on an ec2 machine?
 
  We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue
 where the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2 network...
 
  Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?
 
  Thanks,
  Bill
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Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Bill Deegan]

Trying to run vax/vms under simh on centos (or RHEL) 6.6
Migrating some applications from a physical vax.
Minimally be able to Telnet into the system from another system.
Maybe ftp in/out.

-Bill

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm 
m...@infocomm.com wrote:

 Bill,



 What EXACTLY are you trying to do?   What are you trying to do with the
 VAX/VMS system?





 What is the host OS the simh instance is running under?



 -Mark



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 Deegan
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:38 PM
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 *Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com

 *Subject:* Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2



 Yup. Correct IP.

 I ran tcpdump on the network and it's not responding to arp addresses from
 the MAC address that VMS changes to.

 -Bill



 On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM, B Degnan bill...@buzz1.com wrote:

 Sorry I'd have to mess around with it to find a solution.  Forgetting about
 NAT, confirm you have the correct internal IP first.  If you don't use
 Amazon a lot it's confusing.  (was to me).
  b



   Original Message 
  From: Bill Deegan b...@baddogconsulting.com

  Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 4:03 PM
  To: Cory Smelosky b...@gewt.net
  Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com simh@trailing-edge.com
  Subject: Re: [Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2
 
  Any examples on how to setup vax/vms in simh for NAT?
 
  -Bill
 
  On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Cory Smelosky b...@gewt.net wrote:
 
   Can't work around that, limited to NAT, ec2 does Mac filtering
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
On Jul 5, 2015, at 19:34, Bill Deegan b...@baddogconsulting.com
 wrote:
   
Greetings,
   
Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX
 to
   run on an ec2 machine?
   
We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue
   where the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2
 network...
   
Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?
   
Thanks,
Bill
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[Simh] Running simh vax on amazon EC2

[Bill Deegan]

Greetings,

Has anyone had success (or unresolvable failure) getting a simh VAX to run
on an ec2 machine?

We're following the bridging instructions but running into an issue where
the MAC addresses used by the VAX are not routing into EC2 network...

Any thoughts/suggestions to get this to work?

Thanks,
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