Entropy of the universe [WAS Re: [singularity] Implications of an already existing singularity.]

2007-03-28 Thread Richard Loosemore

Matt Mahoney wrote:

--- Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 06:50:59PM -0700, Matt Mahoney wrote:


Of course it could be that a singularity has already happened, and what

you

perceive as the universe is actually a simulation within the resulting
superintelligence.

Is this a falsifyable theory?


Unfortunately, no.  You would have to prove that the universe is not
computable, for example, that your observations are a function of the halting
probability Omega or some other uncomputable number.  I don't know that that
would even be mathematically possible.

But everything we know about it suggests that the universe is computable.  For
one, the universe has finite entropy*.  For another, Occam's Razor seems to
work in practice, consistent with AIXI's assumption of a computable
environment (abductive reasoning, I know).  For a third, there is nothing
going on in the human brain that we believe is not computable, so it would be
impossible to distinguish reality from a simulation, and we are simply
programmed to reject such a possibility.

*The entropy of the universe is of the order T^2 c^5/hG ~ 10^122 bits, where T
is the age of the universe, c is the speed of light, h is Planck's constant
and G is the gravitational constant.  By coincidence (or not?), each bit would
occupy the volume of a proton.  (The physical constants do not depend on any
particle properties).


A small but crucial point:  this is the entropy of everything within the 
horizon visible from *here*.  What about the stuff (possibly infinite 
amounts of stuff) that lies beyond the curvature horizon?


Richard Loosemore

-
This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email
To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to:
http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=11983


Re: Entropy of the universe [WAS Re: [singularity] Implications of an already existing singularity.]

2007-03-28 Thread Matt Mahoney

--- Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Matt Mahoney wrote:
  *The entropy of the universe is of the order T^2 c^5/hG ~ 10^122 bits,
 where T
  is the age of the universe, c is the speed of light, h is Planck's
 constant
  and G is the gravitational constant.  By coincidence (or not?), each bit
 would
  occupy the volume of a proton.  (The physical constants do not depend on
 any
  particle properties).
 
 A small but crucial point:  this is the entropy of everything within the 
 horizon visible from *here*.  What about the stuff (possibly infinite 
 amounts of stuff) that lies beyond the curvature horizon?

In a simulation, you don't need to compute it.


-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email
To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to:
http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=11983