[SLUG] Your Doctor say no? We will say yes! 9414

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Re: [SLUG] su - Password expired

2004-03-28 Thread mlh
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:22:48 +1000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Teh) wrote:
 Password expiry on root account bad, unless you're certain to change it
 before expiry occurs.

You should be able to login on the console,
even if the root password is expired.

Matt
ps. console in the old sense not the dubious sense
of line-by-line text interface.
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RE: [SLUG] su - Password expired

2004-03-28 Thread Adam W
Matt,

 On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:22:48 +1000
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Teh) wrote:
  Password expiry on root account bad, unless you're certain 
 to change 
  it before expiry occurs.
 
 You should be able to login on the console,
 even if the root password is expired.

That's right. That's what made me think that it wasn't the root account
that was the problem. Turns out Jon was right and root's password was
expired. All fixed now.

Thanks

Adam.


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Re: [SLUG] Is SATA a viable upgrade for aging Linux workstations?

2004-03-28 Thread Roger Barnes
Hi Andrew,

I can't speak for the benefits of SATA over PATA in general, but I have 
succeeded in setting up Linux on such a system (Intel ICH5 chipset, 
Seagate 120Gb SATA drive).  Being my first linux install in a number of 
years, I struggled with the new hardware, but got it working in the end.

First main attempt involved installing debian woody on an old IDE drive 
in the same machine, upgrading the kernel to 2.4.22 (from memory) or 
better and then installing onto the new disk.  The old IDE disk crashed 
on me before that process was completed.

Second main attempt involved trying an hdd Knoppix install.  It was 
flaky for some reason I can't remember and couldn't figure out (probably 
not SATA related), so I gave up on that approach.

Finally, I discovered I could install Debian woody bf24 direct to the 
SATA drive, and updated to debian sarge and kernel 2.6.4.  I had other 
problems with the setup, but I believe they were related to some 
combination of LVM (device-mapper), APM (I needed to turn it off) and 
possibly some ext3 bugs in earlier 2.6 kernels.  I only just recently 
figured out the kernel options needed to get DMA working on the drive 
(55Mb/s is much better than 3Mb/s :) ).

In short, I don't see a benefit in going to SATA at this stage, 
especially if you don't want to run a nearly bleeding edge kernel.  My 
knowledge of the potential benefits are minimal (first new personal 
computer _and_ linux install in several years made for a lot of catching 
up on what's new), so someone else may be able to offer more insight there.

HTH,
- Rog
Andrew Lau wrote:
Hey everyone,

I'm stuck at a crossroads right now. My main Athlon 1.2 Ghz workstation
with a Promise UDMA5/100 controller is probably on its last legs before
retirement (its given me 3 years of loyal service -- looking to squeeze
out 2 more). Seeing as it needs a new harddrive anyway, I'm really
wondering whether paying an extra $20-$25 per harddrive and an another
$70 for a Silicon Image Serial ATA Controller [1] is worth it. LKML
posts also seem to give the general impression that overall SATA driver
support under Linux is still preliminary.
Cheers,
Andrew Netsnipe Lau
[1] http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/item/elsPCI-SATA-EX


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RE: [SLUG] Is SATA a viable upgrade for aging Linux workstations?

2004-03-28 Thread Michael F.
 In short, I don't see a benefit in going to SATA at this stage, 
 especially if you don't want to run a nearly bleeding edge 
 kernel.  My 
 knowledge of the potential benefits are minimal (first new personal 
 computer _and_ linux install in several years made for a lot 
 of catching 
 up on what's new), so someone else may be able to offer more 
 insight there.

Personally I haven't gone SATA yet, I don't reckon I will change to it
until it catchs on a lot more. Besides I've already made an investment
into 2 x 120gb PATA drives, 1 x 60GB PATA and 1 x 80gb PATA. Neither of
my 2 computers support SATA, and I had no intension of installing a PCI
SATA card. I think maybe the end of next year I might explore it, maybe
when it comes time to upgrade.

A friend recently just built a new machine with SATA 120gb drive. I've
not had much feedback from him, so I am guessing he hasn't really
noticed the difference.

Maybe it might pay to explore SATA a little more and then make an
informed/educated decision.

-mf

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Re: [SLUG] file permissions, php, move_uploaded_file

2004-03-28 Thread James Gregory
On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 12:18, Amanda wrote:

 If I then do
 if(!move_uploaded_file($_FILES['userfile']['tmp_name'], $dest_file))
  (snip error messages for clarity)


 
 it uploads the file just fine, but permissions are set to -rw---
 
 If I then do
 $result = chmod ($dest_file, 0777);
 if (!$result) 
   {
   echo PERROR CHANGING PERMISSIONS FOR $dest_file;
   }

This is probably PHP trying to be secure. It's been a very long time
since I've used php, but as a starting point I'd suggest looking in
php.ini for 'safe mode' or similar. It might also be worth doing the
chmod before the move. I don't know if it'll change anything, but PHP
does keep track of the files it uses for uploads, It may let you perform
operations on uploaded files that you can't do on arbitrary files.

And, as always, check the filename and so forth.

HTH,

James.


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[SLUG] OpenOffice.org Mailing list

2004-03-28 Thread heracles
I have recently had to unsubscribe from the OOo mailing list. The reason:
I received so many copys of an email that was autogenerated by exim that
it filled my mailbox and caused it to refuse further posts. Is this a fault
within exim or some sort of virus/worm?

stay well and happy
Heracles

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[SLUG] Preserving symbolic links

2004-03-28 Thread Alan L Tyree
Hi,
I maintain a small web site of my papers and things. Some of the early
stuff was developed with .htm suffixes. To make life easy, I have a
number of symbolic links with .html suffixes.

The problem: when I tar and move everything from my home machine (RH8)
to the server

bondi% uname -a
SunOS bondi 5.9 Generic_112233-05 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-280R

The symbolic links appear to be there, but they don't work. I have to
rebuild them by hand each time.

Am I doing something wrong here?
Thanks,
Alan
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[SLUG] lftp...pftp

2004-03-28 Thread M.da Cruz
FYI,

I discovered 'pftp' in the knoppix distro and this works fine with the 
one time passwords.

'lftp'  didn't pass on the response from the system, which specifies 
which one time password it expects and I couldn't get it to send the 
correct password (10 random words separated by spaces).

Marghanita

Brett Fenton wrote:
Try escaping out the spaces.

So for example 'pass word here' would become pass\ word\ here

M.da Cruz wrote:

Hi All,

I have recently switched to Linux and now have it running on my Targa
Traveller laptop including the winmodem :-)
I bought the Openskills/SLUG Debian CD, also tried Fedora on loan, but 
ended up installing knoppix. If this stuff is of interest I could 
share my experiences in a talk.

My current challenge is to successfully conect to my webhosting service
using lftp. It's an Apache server with one time passwords. These
are a set of ten words with spaces... The debug 4 to turn on error 
messages was a step forward and I have tried replacing the spaces 
between the words with %20 - but still get an incorrect login message. 
Any suggestions gratefully accepted.

Marghanita



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Re: [SLUG] Preserving symbolic links

2004-03-28 Thread Peter Chubb
 Alan == Alan L Tyree Alan writes:


Alan The problem: when I tar and move everything from my home machine
Alan (RH8) to the server
Alan The symbolic links appear to be there, but they don't work. I
Alan have to rebuild them by hand each time.

Where do the symlinks point?  If they're absolute symbolic links
you'll get that behaviour.  Use the `symlinks' perl script to convert
from absolute to relative links before you tar up the directories.

Peter 
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[SLUG] Fax and Voicemail and Linux

2004-03-28 Thread Kevin Fitzgerald
Title: Message



Hi 
All

I need to set up a 
Fax and Answering machine for my business. Normally I would set up the Copy of 
Winfax I own and it would do the job perfectly but I wondered if anyone out 
there has done a similar thing with Linux? What Software is available that will 
answer a phone line. Determine if it is an incoming fax or a caller and then 
repond by either recieving the fax or playing a message and recording the 
caller.

I look forward to 
hearing some responses

Kev


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Re: [SLUG] Fax and Voicemail and Linux

2004-03-28 Thread kevin . saenz

Kevin,

For fax you can use hylafax or fgetty, (hylafax is easier to implement and
you can use
some windows fax clients to connect to it to send faxes.)
For answering machine you need to use vgetty, just make sure you get the
right modem
I have tried to get my box to be an answering machine so far I have had
some complications
and not enough time to look into it.

Kevin



Hi All

I need to set up a Fax and Answering machine for my business. Normally I
would set up the Copy of Winfax I own and it would do the job perfectly but
I wondered if anyone out there has done a similar thing with Linux? What
Software is available that will answer a phone line. Determine if it is an
incoming fax or a caller and then repond by either recieving the fax or
playing a message and recording the caller.

I look forward to hearing some responses

Kev



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Re: [SLUG] Messaging Kicking Users on Console

2004-03-28 Thread Mike MacCana
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:

 This one time, at band camp, Adam W wrote:
 1) how do i kick people off my linux box that are logged in via ssh or
 someother means i.e how do i get rid of them out of w

 be root, and kill the shell process

 2) how do i send messages to people logged in on ssh etc. Similar to
 when you halt the system.

 write username, or write username tty

Aye. Also useful is the write all command, called 'wall', which give a
shoutout to all your homies.

Mike

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Re: [SLUG] Is SATA a viable upgrade for aging Linux workstations?

2004-03-28 Thread Malcolm V
On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 17:10, Andrew Lau wrote:
 Hey everyone,
 
 I'm stuck at a crossroads right now. My main Athlon 1.2 Ghz workstation
 with a Promise UDMA5/100 controller is probably on its last legs before
 retirement (its given me 3 years of loyal service -- looking to squeeze
 out 2 more). Seeing as it needs a new harddrive anyway, I'm really
 wondering whether paying an extra $20-$25 per harddrive and an another
 $70 for a Silicon Image Serial ATA Controller [1] is worth it. LKML
 posts also seem to give the general impression that overall SATA driver
 support under Linux is still preliminary.

  My parents wanted a new computer so I used them as guinea pigs for a
software raided SATA Gentoo install. It had its moments but it is
running fine now.

  For the best bang for your buck, I'd recommend sticking with PATA,
(2 cheap, smaller drives) and software raiding them under Linux. The
ability to mix and match the raid types per partition is a bonus, and as
most on-board/cheap raid is actually software raid (with poorly
supported Linux drivers) the only loss is raid performance in Windows
(if you're dual-booting).

Cheers,
Malcolm V.

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Re: [SLUG] Fax and Voicemail and Linux

2004-03-28 Thread Grant Parnell
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Kevin Fitzgerald wrote:

 Hi All
  
 I need to set up a Fax and Answering machine for my business. Normally I
 would set up the Copy of Winfax I own and it would do the job perfectly
 but I wondered if anyone out there has done a similar thing with Linux?
 What Software is available that will answer a phone line. Determine if
 it is an incoming fax or a caller and then repond by either recieving
 the fax or playing a message and recording the caller.
  
 I look forward to hearing some responses

As Kevin Saenz says, vgetty is the low level application for voicemail 
type stuff. It can be set to answer voice/fax/data calls depending on the 
modem. Make sure it's an external serial voice capable modem (a lot of 
them are and all the ones I've found also do fax). Some of them are not so 
good at distinguishing the types of calls in this country.

As for whether vgetty will play well with Hylafax I don't know. That 
combination I have not tried. It normally uses it's own faxgetty to answer 
the calls. I'd rate the chance of them working together fairly high 
though - maybe use one for recieve  the other for transmit.

Somebody also suggested to me, on another list, using Asterisk which is a
linux based PABX. I've just ordered a compatible line card to see if it's
much better than using voice modems. My purpose would primarily be to
handle voice calls although offering a faxback service would be great too.

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Re: [SLUG] Fax and Voicemail and Linux

2004-03-28 Thread Dave
Kev,

Check this out, it should do exactly what you are looking for. I got it
working without too much trouble.  http://alpha.greenie.net/vgetty/

Also if you want to get carried away with functionality check out:
http://www.vocpsystem.com/index.php

Let me know how it works for you.

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On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 01:13:29PM +1000, Kevin Fitzgerald wrote:
 Hi All
  
 I need to set up a Fax and Answering machine for my business. Normally I
 would set up the Copy of Winfax I own and it would do the job perfectly
 but I wondered if anyone out there has done a similar thing with Linux?
 What Software is available that will answer a phone line. Determine if
 it is an incoming fax or a caller and then repond by either recieving
 the fax or playing a message and recording the caller.
  
 I look forward to hearing some responses
  
 Kev
 
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Re: [SLUG] Is SATA a viable upgrade for aging Linux workstations?

2004-03-28 Thread Alexander Samad
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 01:31:15PM +1000, Malcolm V wrote:
 On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 17:10, Andrew Lau wrote:
  Hey everyone,
  
  I'm stuck at a crossroads right now. My main Athlon 1.2 Ghz workstation
  with a Promise UDMA5/100 controller is probably on its last legs before
  retirement (its given me 3 years of loyal service -- looking to squeeze
  out 2 more). Seeing as it needs a new harddrive anyway, I'm really
  wondering whether paying an extra $20-$25 per harddrive and an another
  $70 for a Silicon Image Serial ATA Controller [1] is worth it. LKML
  posts also seem to give the general impression that overall SATA driver
  support under Linux is still preliminary.
 
   My parents wanted a new computer so I used them as guinea pigs for a
 software raided SATA Gentoo install. It had its moments but it is
 running fine now.
 
   For the best bang for your buck, I'd recommend sticking with PATA,
 (2 cheap, smaller drives) and software raiding them under Linux. The
 ability to mix and match the raid types per partition is a bonus, and as
 most on-board/cheap raid is actually software raid (with poorly
 supported Linux drivers) the only loss is raid performance in Windows
 (if you're dual-booting).

I think maybe the only other thing is that SATA handles multples drives
on the same bus better than PATA.




 
 Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] Preserving symbolic links

2004-03-28 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:42, Peter Chubb wrote:
SNIP 
 Where do the symlinks point?  If they're absolute symbolic links
 you'll get that behaviour.  Use the `symlinks' perl script to convert
 from absolute to relative links before you tar up the directories.
Thanks Peter. I'll have a look, but none of the links are
cross-directory. A sample is:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] www]$ ls -sal banking.html
   0 lrwxrwxrwx1 alantalant  27 Oct  4  2002
banking.html - /home/alant/www/banking.htm

and it looks exactly the same on the Sun except the links don't work
until I redefine them manually.

Cheers,
Alan

 
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RE: [SLUG] Mounting Win2k partition under Suse 7.X

2004-03-28 Thread Malcolm V
On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 07:40, Michael F. wrote:
  Actually, that's changed. These days you can write to NTFS 
  under Linux using Microsoft's own Win32 driver. Check out:
  
 http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive
 
 I seen this some weeks back, question is has anyone on slug tried it?
 I'd be curious to know how well it works. The site indicates very well
 :)

  The supplied source installs very easily (I'm not sure if NTFS read
support is required in your kernel for this or not, as captive searches
your drives for the required Windows files).

  However, there seems to be  a buffer overflow somewhere, not sure if
it is in my lufs implementation or captive itself. This cause unusual
behaviour upon file deletions (and from df). This was with a 10 gig
partition and a directory containing a little over a thousand files. It
is also reasonably memory and CPU intensive.

Cheers,
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RE: [SLUG] Is SATA a viable upgrade for aging Linux workstations?

2004-03-28 Thread Steven Evans
Hey guys, 

Thus far I've installed 9 160gig Seagate and 4 250gig Western digital
harddrives.  Thus far, the failure rate on all drives have been quite
high.  SATA is very fast, but the failure rate has been quite
disappointing.

2 western digital 250's have either been unwritable or did not detect.
Out of the seagate 160gig hdds, 2 power on but werent detected by the
bios, 1 was full of bad sectors, and the last one didn't let the
computer power on (short circuit).

Has anyone else had similar experiences with the PATA drives  120?  

Cheers,
Steve

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Behalf Of Alexander Samad
Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 2:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is SATA a viable upgrade for aging Linux
workstations?

On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 01:31:15PM +1000, Malcolm V wrote:
 On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 17:10, Andrew Lau wrote:
  Hey everyone,
  
  I'm stuck at a crossroads right now. My main Athlon 1.2 Ghz
workstation
  with a Promise UDMA5/100 controller is probably on its last legs
before
  retirement (its given me 3 years of loyal service -- looking to
squeeze
  out 2 more). Seeing as it needs a new harddrive anyway, I'm really
  wondering whether paying an extra $20-$25 per harddrive and an
another
  $70 for a Silicon Image Serial ATA Controller [1] is worth it. LKML
  posts also seem to give the general impression that overall SATA
driver
  support under Linux is still preliminary.
 
   My parents wanted a new computer so I used them as guinea pigs for a
 software raided SATA Gentoo install. It had its moments but it is
 running fine now.
 
   For the best bang for your buck, I'd recommend sticking with PATA,
 (2 cheap, smaller drives) and software raiding them under Linux. The
 ability to mix and match the raid types per partition is a bonus, and
as
 most on-board/cheap raid is actually software raid (with poorly
 supported Linux drivers) the only loss is raid performance in Windows
 (if you're dual-booting).

I think maybe the only other thing is that SATA handles multples drives
on the same bus better than PATA.




 
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Re: [SLUG] Preserving symbolic links

2004-03-28 Thread Peter Chubb
 Alan == Alan L Tyree Alan writes:

Alan On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:42, Peter Chubb wrote: SNIP
 Where do the symlinks point?  If they're absolute symbolic links
 you'll get that behaviour.  Use the `symlinks' perl script to
 convert from absolute to relative links before you tar up the
 directories.
Alan Thanks Peter. I'll have a look, but none of the links are
Alan cross-directory. A sample is:

Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www]$ ls -sal banking.html 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 alant
Alan alant 27 Oct 4 2002 banking.html - /home/alant/www/banking.htm

Alan and it looks exactly the same on the Sun except the links don't
Alan work until I redefine them manually.


Exactly -- they're absolute links (the target of the link begins with
a slash).

If it said:
   banking.html - ./banking.htm
it'd all work.

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[SLUG] LaTeX--a query

2004-03-28 Thread Bill Bennett
So, being chuffed about the Local Council election results
and under the influence of some Not Lemonade, I decided to try
one of the fancier fonts in a LaTeX document.

I should have known better.

If you want to use it, you've got to go through the biz of:---

\newcommand{\ahem}{%
\fontencoding{xx}\fontfamily{yy}\fontseries{zz}%
\fontsize{12}{11}\selectfont}

All well and good if you know the encoding.  To make it more
intricate, the font seems to exist only in an italic form --
fine, that's what I want, but if that's the case, \fontfamily
and \fontseries don't need to be specified; I have a feeling
they have to be.

Can anyone help, please?

The font is pzcmi and it comes with the LaTeX package.
There is a .tfm file in adobe/zapfchan.

Regards,

Bill Bennett

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RE: [SLUG] Mounting Win2k partition under Suse 7.X

2004-03-28 Thread Mike MacCana
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Malcolm V wrote:

 On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 07:40, Michael F. wrote:
   Actually, that's changed. These days you can write to NTFS
   under Linux using Microsoft's own Win32 driver. Check out:
  
  http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive
 
  I seen this some weeks back, question is has anyone on slug tried it?
  I'd be curious to know how well it works. The site indicates very well
  :)

   The supplied source installs very easily (I'm not sure if NTFS read
 support is required in your kernel for this or not, as captive searches
 your drives for the required Windows files).

It can either get those files off your existing Windows partition, which
it'd use the read only NTFS driver for, or use files supplied in a Windows
XP service pack, which you don't need the NTFS driver for.

   However, there seems to be  a buffer overflow somewhere, not sure if
 it is in my lufs implementation or captive itself. This cause unusual
 behaviour upon file deletions (and from df). This was with a 10 gig
 partition and a directory containing a little over a thousand files. It
 is also reasonably memory and CPU intensive.

Interesting - thanks for the info.

Mike

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Re: [SLUG] Preserving symbolic links

2004-03-28 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 15:12, Peter Chubb wrote:
  Alan == Alan L Tyree Alan writes:
SNIP
 Exactly -- they're absolute links (the target of the link begins with
 a slash).
 
 If it said:
banking.html - ./banking.htm
 it'd all work.

Doh! Now I get it.

 Thanks Peter.

 
 Peter C
 
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[SLUG] Suggestions for FM tuner.

2004-03-28 Thread Luke Yelavich
Hi all
I am wondering whether anybody can recommend a good quality FM tuner to be 
used in conjunction with a PC. The interface doesn't really matter, as long 
as it doesn't use too many system resources. I also would rather not have a 
TV tuner as well.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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[SLUG] exim4 problems.

2004-03-28 Thread Shaun Oliver
hi, why is it that I can send to anywhere on the internet accept my 
partners home email address?
I have several email accounts set up here that I use
and the home one doesn't generate any errors yet, my yahoo account I use 
from here does.
the error I get is this.
Unrouteable address

I don't understand why this is so.
is there possibly something in exim4 misconfigured?
I'm on optus cable and for some reason as I said above I can send to 
anywhere else bar this one address.
any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: [SLUG] exim4 problems.

2004-03-28 Thread Alexander Samad
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 04:39:05PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
 hi, why is it that I can send to anywhere on the internet accept my 
 partners home email address?
 I have several email accounts set up here that I use
 and the home one doesn't generate any errors yet, my yahoo account I use 
 from here does.
 the error I get is this.
 Unrouteable address
you might have to divulge the email address

try 

exim -bt emailaddress

this will give you a run down of what exim thinks it is going to do with
the message.


 
 I don't understand why this is so.
 is there possibly something in exim4 misconfigured?
 I'm on optus cable and for some reason as I said above I can send to 
 anywhere else bar this one address.
 any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
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