[SLUG] Netcomm 1400-TPG ISP

2004-12-06 Thread Alan Millsted
Hi is anyone out there using a Netcomm 1400 Ethernet modem with TPG, if
so could I get a little help setting up in FC 3

Lenny

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RE: [SLUG] rsync'ing home directories

2004-12-06 Thread David

For the record, the answer to my question was:

newhost:~$ rsync -a --exclude=\.* --delete --bwlimit=2000 -e ssh
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/david/ /home/david

Thanks to Mary for putting me onto --exclude
Of course, I could have read the manual too ;-)

I'm using --bwlimit because I have found that rsync hangs if I don't. I
have no idea why. I've been slowly increasing --bwlimit to find out if
there is a critical point.


On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Roger Barnes wrote:

  I'm building a new system, and I want to rsync my home
 directory from
  the old one which will ultimately be discarded.
 
  I've deleted all files in my home directory from the new system
  EXCEPT, the dot files such as .bashrc etc
 
  Is there an easy way to rsync without destructively blowing away . files?
 
  Does this have to be managed manually?

 Couldn't you just backup/duplicate the old home directory, rsync dot
 files _from_ new home directory over the top, then rsync the lot back
 the other way _to_ the new home directory?

 There are probably a few ways to do it, and the solution may not involve
 rsync at all.

 - Rog

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Re: [SLUG] wireless brick buildings

2004-12-06 Thread Ken Foskey
On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 09:58 +1100, David wrote:
 I was thinking of setting up a wireless lan between two adjoining terraces
 houses, but the nice man at the shop said that the signal wouldn't pass
 through the brick walls. Is this so? If not, where should I go to find a
 nice man who knows more about it.

linksys throwing across a road with power lines and two brick houses.
Works OK, drops out occasionally. (40%)

front of house to rear 4 layers of brick and plaster works fine.  (100%)

front of house to upstairs with steel beams to interrupt signal works
fine, probably 3 brick wals in line of sight. (90%)

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Re: [SLUG] Goals

2004-12-06 Thread Ken Foskey
On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 07:35 +1100, john gibbons wrote:
 Thank you for the questions that are meant to help. However, I am 
 inclined to think that the need to ask the questions at all helps me 
 make my point.

I don't entirely disagree with this however...

  One simple interface that asks simple questions and 
 automatically installs is a real need for Linux if it is ever going to 
 be upon PCs for the common mob which includes me.

Computers are general, Linux is even more general and complete than
legacy systems (Microsoft) out of the box therefore  obviously more
complex.

  For as long  as 
 different distros go about a very common communication task in often 
 very different ways they delay widespread acceptance of Linux by home 
 and small business users. The distros may be Ferraris, Rolls Royces or 
 outback rustbuckets underneath, but they must be able to accomodate the 
 day-to-day travel needs of the ordinary drivers who can get into them 
 and use the manual or automatic gearbox to get to their destination.

I think that each of these have their purpose.  The interesting thing is
technically each are totally different however the brake peddle is
always in the same place.  The blinker stalk tends to shift from one
side of the steering wheel to another without dramatically changing
functionality though.

Basically there is a consistency about all these things.  I can use KDE,
Gnome or even legacy Windows without any difficulty.  Yes the
metaphorical blinker stalk is on the wrong side sometimes but overall it
works the same.

 Other drivers and engineers can break the speed records, design better 
 engines, or whatever, if they have the skills. On the surface, at the 
 interface, they must be understandable and useable for the most common 
 tasks by ordinary folk. If not, they will forever be brilliant feats of 
 engineering suitable for a limited range of users.

This is actually harder than you might think.  I have studied this in
University and it is a complex job that requires resources.  Guess what
these are resources that OpenSource does not have.

 Nothing new about that comment, I guess.
 
 Different distros will use KDE and/or GNOME and everyday users will 
 adapt and be able to use whichever distro they started with or switch 
 between them and get common tasks done. That is all the great majority 
 want. So why not have a simple common interface for downloading and 
 installing, which is a very common task? Behind the interface the really 
 great distros can continue to do it more elegantly and those who 
 appreciate and understand the elegance and the advantages it offers will 
 provide the appreciation and the use.

This is happening in practice.  Although the convergence of technology
is taking time.  There is I believe a move towards apt technologies,
there is a port of apt- for rpm systems and the real benefits of apt is
the stringent mapping of prereqs.  This is being worked on and I believe
that that stringency is being mapped into RPM.

In my opinion, and is it strictly my opinion, I believe that every
distribution will be using the Debian packaging system shortly.  They
will have their own special versions of them with typical Open Source
diversity.

 So, I think that the basic question is not What is it I don't 
 understand?, even though that is meant to be of help, but, What is not 
 being quite obvious?.

Everything is obvious to me.  This obviously is not good enough.  We
could also talk about being obvious to Luke who gave an excellent talk
on usability for the blind at last months meeting.  People are diverse.
What one finds easy others find hard.

How does Open Source compensate for not having a usability lab.  Well
the whole world is a usability lab.  Take for example the new icon set
for OpenOffice.org this was developed for the Ximian (Novell) desktop
and reach huge acclaim and is now being integrated into the mainstream
release.  A fork of the original was taken,  the old version died a
natural death and the new method grows and flourishes.

The diversity of Open Source is a huge problem to be sure and a cost to
users, it is also it's strength.  If I mention webserver what do you
immediately think about,  apache.  There are at least 6 other available
in Debian archives.  BOA is an excellent solution for a specific use for
static webpages, Open Source is not one size fits all.  Do not expect
that what you see as a problem every one else will.  A text console is a
strength for the blind but perceived a weak solution for a sighted
person, different strokes.

I hope that this helps,
Ken Foskey
OpenOffice.org developer

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[SLUG] dpkg-reconfigure does not write a new XF86Config-4 file

2004-12-06 Thread Michael Lake
Hi all
I have a strange problem. Im trying to create a new XF86Config-4 file as 
after an upgrade X does not work anymore. I get no screens found.
But hen I do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 a new XF86Config-4 
config file is not written.

There are no errors during the reconfiguration, I answer all the dialogs 
 using the default values from last time but no new config is written 
at the end. The config would normally be in /etc/X11 or maybe /root

I have searched with find for XF86Config-4 and XF86Config-4.new
I have even tried removing any old XF86Config-4 but to mo luck.
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Re: [SLUG] Goals

2004-12-06 Thread Heracles
john gibbons wrote:
Thank you for the questions that are meant to help. However, I am 
inclined to think that the need to ask the questions at all helps me 
make my point. One simple interface that asks simple questions and 
automatically installs is a real need for Linux if it is ever going to 
be upon PCs for the common mob which includes me.
This is exactly what you can have if you want it. I bought the SuSE 9.1 
Official Distribution and had absolutely no trouble installing it. It 
asks difficult questions like What is your name? and What language do 
you speak?  but other than that it just works. If you want a no 
brainer then buy a prepackaged distro. If you want to explore the 
limits of your ability then you can download many different distros or 
even roll your own but, to use your analogy, don't expect a kit car to 
be as easy to get going as a pre-assembled one.
Horses for courses really!

Stay well and happy
Heracles
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[SLUG] Linux newbie is going mad with the power...

2004-12-06 Thread Dying Sun

Hello, SLUG persons,
I've just completed my first reasonably successful install of Linux  
tonight(one of the minibooks, Fedora Core 2) and damn! it's awesome. It  
feels like I'm using the computer now, not the software. I untarred my  
first tarball, installed my first downloaded Linux driver(from the COMMAND  
LINE, no less!) and don't I feel like a Big Man now! Still can't get the  
Generic SoftK56 modem to be recognised though, so unfortunately I still  
have to use XP for netting

   ANYWAY...I want to learn more, much more. I saw the Granville courses  
listed on your page, but theyre all finished, of course. SO, I was just  
wondering if you knew of somewhere else in Sydney I could find a  
beginner's course, you know, like a general intro to Linux? I don't drive,  
and live in Sydney's Hills District where the bus comes a couple of times  
a day if the driver is sober, so somewhere local-ish is obviously good,  
but hey, I'm not too picky!

 Sorry to bug you with a bunch of newbie bollocks like this, but SLUG  
seemed the most logical place to ask. Thanks for taking the time to read  
this. Have a good Christmas, HAnnukeh, Midsummer or Diwali or whatever you  
happen to be celebrating!

   Rgds,
   DS

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Re: [SLUG] dpkg-reconfigure does not write a new XF86Config-4 file

2004-12-06 Thread Tony Lissner
Michael Lake wrote:
Hi all
I have a strange problem. Im trying to create a new XF86Config-4 file as 
after an upgrade X does not work anymore. I get no screens found.
But hen I do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 a new XF86Config-4 
config file is not written.

There are no errors during the reconfiguration, I answer all the dialogs 
 using the default values from last time but no new config is written at 
the end. The config would normally be in /etc/X11 or maybe /root

I have searched with find for XF86Config-4 and XF86Config-4.new
I have even tried removing any old XF86Config-4 but to mo luck.
I had the same thing happen when my XF86Config-4
file was altered by another program.
From Sarge /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
# If you have edited this file but would
# like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following commands as root:
#
# cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
# md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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Re: [SLUG] Netcomm 1400-TPG ISP

2004-12-06 Thread Alexander Samad
Hi

I am but using debian, was quite simple, changed modem to bridge mode
and then install pppoe, setup parameters (had to set the mtu to the
lowest value)  and then bobs your uncle !


Alex

On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 06:27:25PM +0930, Alan Millsted wrote:
 Hi is anyone out there using a Netcomm 1400 Ethernet modem with TPG, if
 so could I get a little help setting up in FC 3
 
   Lenny
 
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[SLUG] NTPD FC3

2004-12-06 Thread Howard Lowndes
I have noticed with the implementation of ntpd in FC3 that it will only
respond to a local time check if both the SRC  DST ports are 123.  If
it gets a request from an unpriv SRC port then it won't respond.

Does anyone know how to fix this as I have some hardware that uses
unpriv SRC ports.

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Re: [SLUG] dpkg-reconfigure does not write a new XF86Config-4 file

2004-12-06 Thread Michael Lake
Tony Lissner wrote:
I had the same thing happen when my XF86Config-4
file was altered by another program.
From Sarge /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
# If you have edited this file but would
# like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following commands as root:
#
# cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
# md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
Ah the penny drops. dpkg-reconfigure uses the md5sum to see if the file
has been altered. If it has it's no longer considered to be under 
debconf control
and it doesn't touch it. If I delete the file the same thing.
Thus what one is doing here is ensuring that the checksums match again.

My machine is at home, I'll try it tonight and see if it solves my prob.
Thanks
 Michael Lake wrote:
 I have a strange problem. Im trying to create a new XF86Config-4 file
 as after an upgrade X does not work anymore. I get no screens found.
 But hen I do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 a new XF86Config-4
 config file is not written.

 There are no errors during the reconfiguration, I answer all the
 dialogs  using the default values from last time but no new config is
 written at the end. The config would normally be in /etc/X11 or maybe
 /root

 I have searched with find for XF86Config-4 and XF86Config-4.new
 I have even tried removing any old XF86Config-4 but to mo luck.
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[SLUG] fedora

2004-12-06 Thread Rajnish
All,
I've been playing with Fedora Core 3 and ubuntu - all on separate
partitions on /dev/hdb while win2k sits on /dev/hda. Grub is installed
on MBR.
Interestingly, while both Ubuntu and fedora had no difficulty
finding windows - fedora did not find ubuntu (and ubuntu did
not find rh8 (which preceded fedora)). It could be something to
do with /boot (/dev/hda1) getting formatted on install. :-)
I have a few questions on Ubuntu and fedora - I want to change
to a less memory intensive window manager. I've heard of a few ..
but how do I swap to them ?
Secondly, the startup of both Ubuntu and Fedora take considerable
time - I mean minutes. On a standalone system, used for dialup
internet, what are some services that can be stopped ?
Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Rajnish
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Re: [SLUG] fedora

2004-12-06 Thread Dave Airlie

 Secondly, the startup of both Ubuntu and Fedora take considerable
 time - I mean minutes. On a standalone system, used for dialup
 internet, what are some services that can be stopped ?

if you are running the FC3 graphical boot, make sure you have the latest
rhgb from the updates installed, it cuts down the graphical boot startup
time by a noticeable factor due to a stoopid bug...

Dave.

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[SLUG] SLUG / DebSIG Christmas Party

2004-12-06 Thread Craige McWhirter
When:
Wednesday, December 15th, 6:30 (meal is at 7:30)

Where:
Jazushi, 145 Devonshire St, Surry Hills 
(2 minutes walk from Central)


Map: http://jazushi.com.au/jp/menu-banquet.php
Menu: http://jazushi.com.au/jp/menu-banquet.php
Website: http://jazushi.com.au/

It's the time of year when we've all run out of talk or puff and we're
ready to collapse, so we'll go out with one last festive natter and end
the year in fine style. We'll be meeting at the Bamboo Terrace (in
Jazushi) from 6:30 onwards with nibbles being served until we sit for
mains at 7:30.

There are two mains to choose from in a banquet scenario (groups  10
get a banquet menu). Have a read over them and if you have any strong
preferences let me know, I'll have to make a choice by Monday.

** RSVP TO ME IS ESSENTIAL **

If you want mains, anyway, otherwise you'll have to sit on the Bamboo
Terrace on your Pat Malone while the rest us of dine on a sumptuous
feast.

For those of you who can't make it, take care, have a great time and
we'll see you safe and well in the New Year :)

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RE: [SLUG] rsync'ing home directories

2004-12-06 Thread Grant Parnell
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, David wrote:

 I'm using --bwlimit because I have found that rsync hangs if I don't. I
 have no idea why. I've been slowly increasing --bwlimit to find out if
 there is a critical point.

There's a good idea I didn't think of. I've had this happen too and to put 
it bluntly It's not rsync's fault the network can't handle the full 
bandwidth. - usually the receiver's network card driver or stack can't 
keep up, you'll probably find it works fine without the limit for good 
network cards with big buffers  DMA - try the opposite direction just as 
an experiment if you have a variety of NICs.

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG / DebSIG Christmas Party

2004-12-06 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 09:46 +1100, Craige McWhirter wrote:

 Map: http://jazushi.com.au/jp/menu-banquet.php

I may well have meant: http://jazushi.com.au/images/map.gif  :)

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Re: [SLUG] rsync'ing home directories

2004-12-06 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004, David wrote:
 I'm using --bwlimit because I have found that rsync hangs if I don't. I
 have no idea why. I've been slowly increasing --bwlimit to find out if
 there is a critical point.

This is usually something to do with your connection's MTU setting (you
need to drop it). I believe it's a rather mysterious bug that the rsync
people have repeatedly thought was solved and which always crops up
again.

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[Fwd: Re: [SLUG] Goals]

2004-12-06 Thread Ken Wilson

---BeginMessage---
As a relative new linux user I have been suffering similar problems. I
dont know whether it is  a problem with my hardware/software/the way
that I set it up/the options that I chose or didnt find. File a bug
report I dont know which log file to append, how to actually describe
the problem for techos appart from I couldnt get it to work: which
will often come out as its bad or its fcuked. Any answer that I get
back will require me to work comfortably from a command line. If it
doesn't work first attempt at fixing it do I go on changing things that
I may not be able to get back to previous state. Sure it is easy for
someone who knows their way around confidently to poke around files and
find what doesnt look right but I dont have that knowledge yet. Changing
a random part of a random file is unlikely to fix a problem, yet till I
know more, that is what I feel I am doing.
I had Mac at work in Antartica so got plenty of time to read manuals and
go from no computing to able to work on computer and terminal via GUI.
Bought Win 95 laptop pre CD, and had trouble installing serial CD drive.
That got stollen so bought win2k desktop set up and used regularly by a
friend who then migrated back to NZ. I found all the trial versions of
software that he was regularly removing and replacing in the month after
he left. I failed in the remove replace game and this software said that
I had already used it so buy me now!! at ~$100 US a piece.
I decided to try open source, bought redhat 7.2 boxed set with lots of
paper manuals. Bought another hard desk and dual booted it with Win 2K.
Used that but the CD burner no go.
Mother board failure so replaced by an associate, they upgraded to
RedHat 9 to get it to go. Had not yet tested CD burner, read was OK.
I wanted USB to work so bought Redhat WS3 hoping that Redhat would have
these things sorted out by now as digital cameras have been out for a
while. Redha tws3  did  not detect my flash memory drive, or compact
flash in my multibay card reader. Much reading of websites, caches of
support mailing lists etc and I had the answer. I added the line about
luns to the required file in Xemacs. No go and now my system became
unstable and did weird things. I commented out the line, no improvement,
I deleted the line, no improvement, I repaired Redhat, I reformated and
reloaded Redhatws3. I was given Mandrake so I installed that, it
detected the flash memory stick, but not the Compact flash. I bought a
single bay CF reader but that has not detected the compact flash card so
far. And still my CD burner reads but doesn't write. I tried to back up
my email to the flash memory stick, but copying files to the fash memory
stick caused evolution to crash and loose all its email.
Maybe Debian would be easier to change things than a commercial bundled
packaged version, so I Bought debian woody from elx as CDs seeing the
burner no go and attempted that but it crashed on trying to start X with
video driver set to SIS for the on board video SIS651 chip on a ASIS
P4SP-MX motherboard and also with it set to VGA. all the monitor
settings were correct.
Now I have reloaded Mandrake read more websites, consulted the half
metre high stack of linux books and looked at Mandrakes settings  cause
it worked, and in what I think was the correct file the settings I used
in Debian instalation where what Mandrake has.
In all of this I have very much had the feeling that I don't know what I
am doing. I have lost all data that I have on my hard disc as it has
been multipily reformatted and the CD no go. It is good that none of
this is critical for me, but friends will only get email if they email
me first.
I am a terchnofile, I like learning and am now in the situation where I
have nothing to loose except time so will push on but have no real idea
of how. With the time I have spent on this I could have worked a few
more shifts, bought a new computor and lots of windows software and gone
away for a holiday in the remainder of the time.
Something that just works would be nice. Impossible to set up does not
make up for never breaks down.

Ken

On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 07:35 +1100, john gibbons wrote:
 Thank you for the questions that are meant to help. However, I am 
 inclined to think that the need to ask the questions at all helps me 
 make my point. One simple interface that asks simple questions and 
 automatically installs is a real need for Linux if it is ever going to 
 be upon PCs for the common mob which includes me. For as long  as 
 different distros go about a very common communication task in often 
 very different ways they delay widespread acceptance of Linux by home 
 and small business users. The distros may be Ferraris, Rolls Royces or 
 outback rustbuckets underneath, but they must be able to accomodate the 
 day-to-day travel needs of the ordinary drivers who can get into them 
 and use the manual or automatic gearbox to get to their destination. 
 Other drivers and engineers can break 

Re: [SLUG] Verifying a debian install

2004-12-06 Thread Ken Foskey
On Sat, 2004-12-04 at 10:23 +, O Plameras wrote:

 'apt-get dist-upgrade' will do as it is told using some
   intelligence and initiatives like adding/upgrading of
   dependencies. It will even do versions' conflict resolutions
   to the best of its abilities.

And sometimes remove.   Watch the actual messages with this thing :-)

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[SLUG] Audio noise removal tool ?

2004-12-06 Thread Rod Butcher
Sluggers, anyone know of a good audio noise removal tool (i.e. tape
hiss) ? I use Audacity for most stuff, but its noise remover leaves
people sounding like Klingons. Or am I using it incorrectly ?
thanks
Rod
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Re: [SLUG] fedora

2004-12-06 Thread David


On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Rajnish wrote:


 Secondly, the startup of both Ubuntu and Fedora take considerable
 time - I mean minutes. On a standalone system, used for dialup
 internet, what are some services that can be stopped ?

My recollection is that atalk takes a long time to start up and if you
aren't using apples then you might as well remove it. I think it tries to
scan the network for apple systems.. don't quote me, I could be wrong.






 Any suggestions are welcome.
 Thanks in advance.

 Regards,
 Rajnish

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[SLUG] powerpoint parsing/converting

2004-12-06 Thread Julio Cesar Ody
Hi all,

is anybody aware of an open source (preferably PHP) tool for parsing
and converting Powerpoint (.ppt) files into other formats, such as for
example, SWF?
I would be happy in having just the parser because I believe I can
build the SWF creator using ming.
Cheers.

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Re: [SLUG] powerpoint parsing/converting

2004-12-06 Thread David Kempe
Julio Cesar Ody wrote:
Hi all,
is anybody aware of an open source (preferably PHP) tool for parsing
and converting Powerpoint (.ppt) files into other formats, such as for
example, SWF?
I would be happy in having just the parser because I believe I can
build the SWF creator using ming.
Cheers.
doesn't openoffice open ppt and can export to swf?
dave
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Re: [SLUG] powerpoint parsing/converting

2004-12-06 Thread Julio Cesar Ody
(answering to the list on purpose)

It does. But I need an automated solution. My idea is having a few
people uploading their presentations, which will be received by a PHP
script, parsed, and converted to SWF.



On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:04:05 +1100, David Kempe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Julio Cesar Ody wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
  is anybody aware of an open source (preferably PHP) tool for parsing
  and converting Powerpoint (.ppt) files into other formats, such as for
  example, SWF?
  I would be happy in having just the parser because I believe I can
  build the SWF creator using ming.
  Cheers.
 
 
 doesn't openoffice open ppt and can export to swf?
 
 dave
 


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[SLUG] BIND Settings

2004-12-06 Thread Edwin Humphries
I seem to remember there's a line somewhere in BIND's configuration that 
tells it to refer any queriers for uncached domains to a specific upstream 
DNS server, rather than doing a top-down resolution exercise.

I can't find it. Can anyone remind me where it is?
Best Regards,
Edwin Humphries
Mobile: 0419 233 051
Ironstone Technology Pty Ltd
P. O. Box 423, Kiama, NSW, 2533
Phone: +61 2 4233 2285
Fax: +61 2 4233 2299
Web: http://www.ironstone.com.au 

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Re: [SLUG] Audio noise removal tool ?

2004-12-06 Thread Peter Chubb
 Rod == Rod Butcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Rod Sluggers, anyone know of a good audio noise removal tool
Rod (i.e. tape hiss) ? I use Audacity for most stuff, but its noise
Rod remover leaves people sounding like Klingons. Or am I using it
Rod incorrectly ?

You could try the Gnome-Waveconvert (apt-get install gwc)

All the denoisers will have the problem that if used too aggressively
they'll alter the signal you really want as well...

Peter C
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[SLUG] Re: BIND Settings

2004-12-06 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 02:31:09PM +1100, Edwin Humphries wrote:
 I seem to remember there's a line somewhere in BIND's configuration that 
 tells it to refer any queriers for uncached domains to a specific upstream 
 DNS server, rather than doing a top-down resolution exercise.
 
 I can't find it. Can anyone remind me where it is?

Didn't we do this a few days ago?  forward and forwarders.

- Matt

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RE: [SLUG] powerpoint parsing/converting

2004-12-06 Thread Rowling, Jill
There are some automators around, supplied by vendors of Product
(Data/Lifecycle) Management systems and Document Management Systems, but
they are extremely pricey, with per-annum licenses etc. Most do not run on
Linux.

You might be better off just leaving them alone (apart from basic virus
checking), and just indicate that the file is in ppt.
PDF might be a better option for your clients; the Windows users could
generate it with cutepdf if they don't have better tools.

- Jill.

-Original Message-
From: Julio Cesar Ody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 2:15 PM
To: slug
Subject: Re: [SLUG] powerpoint parsing/converting


(answering to the list on purpose)

It does. But I need an automated solution. My idea is having a few people
uploading their presentations, which will be received by a PHP script,
parsed, and converted to SWF.



On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:04:05 +1100, David Kempe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Julio Cesar Ody wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
  is anybody aware of an open source (preferably PHP) tool for parsing 
  and converting Powerpoint (.ppt) files into other formats, such as 
  for example, SWF? I would be happy in having just the parser because 
  I believe I can build the SWF creator using ming.
  Cheers.
 
 
 doesn't openoffice open ppt and can export to swf?
 
 dave
 


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Re: [SLUG] BIND Settings

2004-12-06 Thread David Gillies
On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 14:31 +1100, Edwin Humphries wrote:
 I seem to remember there's a line somewhere in BIND's configuration that 
 tells it to refer any queriers for uncached domains to a specific upstream 
 DNS server, rather than doing a top-down resolution exercise.
 
 I can't find it. Can anyone remind me where it is?

man named.conf

or

http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/named.conf.5.html

Look for forward and forwarders

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Re: [SLUG] NTPD FC3

2004-12-06 Thread mlh
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:53:36AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
 I have noticed with the implementation of ntpd in FC3 that it will only
 respond to a local time check if both the SRC  DST ports are 123.  If
 it gets a request from an unpriv SRC port then it won't respond.
 
 Does anyone know how to fix this as I have some hardware that uses
 unpriv SRC ports.

My reading of the man page would suggest that putting 'non-ntpport'
in the 'restrict' line of your /etc/ntp.conf should do the trick.

Matt
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Re: [SLUG] BIND Settings

2004-12-06 Thread mlh
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 02:59:16PM +1100, David Gillies wrote:
 On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 14:31 +1100, Edwin Humphries wrote:
  I seem to remember there's a line somewhere in BIND's configuration that 
  tells it to refer any queriers for uncached domains to a specific upstream 
  DNS server, rather than doing a top-down resolution exercise.
  
  I can't find it. Can anyone remind me where it is?
 
 man named.conf
 
 or
 
 http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/named.conf.5.html
 
 Look for forward and forwarders

Depending on your config/ network topo, you may want
'forward only' ('forward-only' if running bind8)

If you don't have only, then bind may try to reach
uncontactable servers if the forward server is not
available for whatever reason.

I got bitten by this one.

Matt
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Re: [SLUG] /dev/console on

2004-12-06 Thread O Plameras
Rod Butcher wrote:
The new driver-thingie is libata. But I never got it working, even
though it claimed to load Ok. I had to use the old driver to use Sata.
Ran out of time and interest to pursue it further.
cheers
The 'libata' driver requires 'ata_piix' in kernel-2.6.9.
Alone by itself, 'libata' is insufficient to make /dev/sda work.
So, to get your SATA hard disk to work ensure that
'lsmod' should display amongst others:
ata_piix
libata  used by ata_piix
It both are  not displayed you should say,
# modprobe ata_piix
This will load both 'ata_piix' and 'libata'.
The ff command alone will not load both drivers.
# modprobe libata

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Re: [SLUG] /dev/console on

2004-12-06 Thread O Plameras
Just to be sure, you may need to run,
# depmod -aq
O Plameras wrote:
Rod Butcher wrote:
The new driver-thingie is libata. But I never got it working, even
though it claimed to load Ok. I had to use the old driver to use Sata.
Ran out of time and interest to pursue it further.
cheers
The 'libata' driver requires 'ata_piix' in kernel-2.6.9.
Alone by itself, 'libata' is insufficient to make /dev/sda work.
So, to get your SATA hard disk to work ensure that
'lsmod' should display amongst others:
ata_piix
libata  used by ata_piix
It both are  not displayed you should say,
# modprobe ata_piix
This will load both 'ata_piix' and 'libata'.
The ff command alone will not load both drivers.
# modprobe libata

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Re: [SLUG] /dev/console on

2004-12-06 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004, O Plameras wrote:
 ata_piix
 libata  used by ata_piix
 
 It both are  not displayed you should say,
 
 # modprobe ata_piix

Thanks, but in my case (if you were responding to me) the machine panics
well before I even have the opportunity to login, even in single user
mode. It might help Rod.

-Mary
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[SLUG] Gday slugers

2004-12-06 Thread Paul Ford
I was wondering if any one could tell me how I could use at to schedule wget to 
download a file from the web?
Step by step instructions if possible.



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[SLUG] Re: at step-by-step [was: Gday slugers]

2004-12-06 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 05:04:43PM +1100, Paul Ford wrote:
 I was wondering if any one could tell me how I could use at to schedule wget 
 to download a file from the web?
 Step by step instructions if possible.

1) Create a file which contains the commands you want to run.  In this case,
it could be as simple as:

--8--
wget http://www.example.com/wanted/file.html
--8--

The commands in the file will be run using /bin/sh, so be a little careful
with quoting and so forth if you're trying to put characters in which shells
like to play with (?, *, !, that sort of thing).

2) Read the 'at' manual page to work out how to specify the time at which
you want the command to run.  You can do something as simple as HH:MM (run
the command the next time the time is HH:MM -- 24 hour time), there's
'midnight', 'noon', or 'teatime' (4pm).  You can specify MMDDYY, or you can
specify now + count time units, and so on.  Lots of ways of doing it. 
I'd give you a specific, but I don't know what your timing requirements are. 
If you can't work it out, a quick post back to the list with your needs will
reveal all.

3) Run the following command as the user you wish the at job to run as:

at -f file created in step 1 time spec from step 2

4) Wander off and know that your job will run when the computer thinks you
told it to.

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RE: [SLUG] Gday slugers

2004-12-06 Thread Roger Barnes
 I was wondering if any one could tell me how I could use at 
 to schedule wget to download a file from the web?
 Step by step instructions if possible.

I'm sure someone _could_.  :)  What have you tried so far?  Have the fine 
manual and the fine web resources come up with nothing?  Why must at and wget 
be part of the solution?

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Cheers,
- Rog

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