Re: [SLUG] Sky2 module errors

2007-01-09 Thread Denis Crowdy


On 09/01/2007, at 2:41 PM, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:





sky2: :01:00:0: cannot assign irq 233
sky2: probe of :01:00:0 failed with error -38


Ok, tracing the include path from /usr/include/errno.h through
to /usr/include/asm-generic/errno.h shows that an error of -38
means :

#define ENOSYS  38  /* Function not implemented */


lsmod shows sky2 is loaded, but then I run out of skills/knowledge.


Anything more in /var/log/messages?

Will check next reboot - need to record tonight and that means OS X.



I
have tried noacpi at the boot prompt to no avail. Any clues as to
what else I could try?


I have fixed things like this by adding more debug output to the
driver source code and recompiling but its a slow and painful
process.
Er - good idea, but given the number of light years behind you I am  
in this regard, that's even more slow and painful - time I don't have...



The kernel is a realtime patched 2.6.17.  Interestingly, the install
kernel worked fine with sky2, and another realtime patched kernel
from another distribution (musix running 2.6.15) also worked.


Any reason you don't just use the working musix kernel with stdio64?

It's on a live CD and the FAQs and Knoppix discussion about  
installing to disk don't sound good.


Increasingly sounding like I should be patient and wait for the next  
release - I really don't need the network while actually doing any  
editing/recording/composing anyway I suppose...


Thanks Erik,

Denis


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[SLUG] Re: [coders] making a single kernel module (fwd)

2007-01-09 Thread Grant Parnell ELX

On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, O Plameras wrote:


Grant Parnell ELX wrote:


Thanks Oscar but it's changed a lot since Red Hat 9, there's 6 releases of 
Fedora and I'm not even sure off the top of my head whether RH9 was even a 
2.4 kernel.





The process is same for Fedora or Red Hat. The whole idea is
when running #menuconfig ( or xconfig ) we use only y to select (not m or 
y)

and n to deselect a module. Then, we run
#make
#make install

instead of

#make modules
#make modules_install
#make
#make install

Hope this helps.


You're sortof correct. The bit about chosing which modules are enabled is 
still exactly as you describe, however, with 2.6 kernels you don't need 
the whole kernel source to be there to build and install a module and 
hence you don't need to build a kernel (or have one built) during the 
process. It's MUCH quicker to a) obtain the dependencies and also b) just 
build the particular module you're interested in. You can in fact follow 
your procedure exactly and build the kernel and selected modules but it 
takes longer.


IE on fedora core 6 you only need install these:-
kernel-headers (701K) and
kernel-devel (4.6M)
compared with the kernel source RPM ~ (13M)

Then you grab some 3rd party (or updated/patched module) like this
mISDN.tar.gz
cd mISDN-1_0_4
make install
modprobe mISDN
...


Some of you may be familiar with dkms which has similar aspects but is 
way cool because it will rebuild and install your modules on system 
startup if you run a new kernel. Hmm... I might be able to script that 
myself for this PABX.


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Re: [SLUG] OT: Phone number portability and ADSL.

2007-01-09 Thread Glen Turner

[Very, very much my personal opinion, not that of my employer
 in any way shape or form.]

Ben Donohue wrote:

 1. I thought that numbers were supposed to be portable by law.

They are. But the telcos wrote the rules :-(

Your typical home number is a geographical number and is assigned
to a region.

This gives the telcos the capability to 'cold potato' route a call:
to transport it to the region and then hand it off to the other
carrier.

This keeps carrier interconnection links small (below the magic
30 calls handled on a E1 trunk) and the multiplicity of local
connections adds a lot of robustness to the phone network.


Note that I said the ability. In actuality in these days of
fully-computerised phone switches there are huge phone trunks
in a few capitals interconnecting the carriers.

So the technical requirement for a geographic number has passed.
But the business requirement -- stopping people migrating to
VoIP or carrying their old landline number on their mobile
phone) means that the carriers are very, very keen to keep
registering the average landline as a geographical number.

And, government being what it is, they don't see what's happening
and that it's time to rethink geographic numbers in the interest
of consumers.  And in any case if someone working in the depths of
ACMA were to decide to do the right thing, to protect the consumer's
interest (causing the telcos to spend $m on systems reengineering
now and cost them $b of voice revenue in the future) you'd see the
Telstra and Optus political and legal machines crush the poor sod.

 2. My number USED to be an Optus number originally but I changed over to
 Telstra as a provider ages ago and kept the same (Optus) number.
 It was not hard for Telstra to take ownership of the number from Optus
 back then.

Sure, you can move a geographical number to another carrier in
the same geographical area. But Exetel are only in one area,
since they're a minor VoIP packet-mover -- which is why
they are cheap. And if they got enough presence in enough
geographical areas to allow them to participate in number
portability of geographical numbers then they'd no longer be
cheap :-(

This is a typical big telco anti-competition tactic, by the way.
But they get away with it every time.

 Just a general question for the list for any ideas/options on how I
 tackle this?

Buy a beer for the person most likely to be the Minister
for Communications in the next Labor federal government,
whenever that may be.  Be warned that Communications
Ministers, especially shadow ones, change portfolio very often
and so you may be up for more beers than you expect.

Also you say communications to a politician and they think media.
The minutae of telecommunications (an industry much, much larger
than the media but without the same effect on citizens' votes)
makes their eyes glaze over.

You may as well bitch to the TIO and ACMA, just so the telco's
can't roll out the no one ever complains line. Do write the
letter to ACMA's Numbering people. You'd be surprised at the
length of time a genuine letter is remembered within the modern
bureaucracy.
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Re: [SLUG] Sky2 module errors

2007-01-09 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Denis Crowdy wrote:

 Well said Hunter - vale Hunter I believe?

Yeah, a year of two ago from memory.

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[SLUG] Low-light webcam for 256K upstream

2007-01-09 Thread Ben

Hi,

I'm after a couple of webcams with excellent low-light performance
(maybe even an infra-red option), that perform well on a 256Kbps
upstream, with a bit of room for audio too... I guess 33Kbps for G729
VoIP should be ok, unless there's a better way to send audio with a
stream.

Any good Ubuntu 6.10 friendly models out there?

Ben
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Re: [SLUG] Spam again

2007-01-09 Thread Robert Thorsby

On 2007.01.10 06:19 Howard Lowndes wrote:

I've just noticed that the spam level hitting my mail server
has increased 4 to 4 fold overnight, most of it being dropped
at the CONNECT stage.
http://www.lannet.com.au/traffic/h48/index.html

Has anyone else noticed similar?


Yes, there has been a massive increase in spam in recent days but last 
night it went off the richter scale.


Particularly nasty has been the bogus postmaster messages sent as 
bounces from random four or five alpha character group at my domain.


There also appears to be another ugly one that contains random lines of 
text picked up by a search engine (searching the victim sender's HDD?).


For several months now I have been sending my incoming spam to ACMA, 
for which I had to allow spam through (and then filter it). But I am 
about to abandon this and just stop the spam altogether -- at least, as 
best I can.


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Re: [SLUG] Spam again

2007-01-09 Thread Ben Donohue

yes as well.
I have IPCop with Copfilter and I'm not sure that it's doing too much to 
stop it as it still ends up in the inbox.

I'm having to train thunderbird to treat it as spam.
Any copfilter users here who are *not* getting any spam?
Ben


Howard Lowndes wrote:
I've just noticed that the spam level hitting my mail server has 
increased 4 to 4 fold overnight, most of it being dropped at the 
CONNECT stage.  http://www.lannet.com.au/traffic/h48/index.html


Has anyone else noticed similar?


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[SLUG] Re: [LINK] NSW steers clear of Vista

2007-01-09 Thread Adam Todd


No.

More likely they didn't want to go through the sheer hell it is to upgrade 
thousands of workstations, take thousands of support calls and deal with 
hardware and other upgrades, just to install a $80 piece of software.


I know I wouldn't.

At 06:39 AM 9/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote:

hfl
Governments getting it right...???
/hfl

http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21024831%5E15306,00.html

THE NSW government has shied away from Microsoft's new Windows Vista 
operating systems after executives in charge of the state's $1 billion 
computing budget agreed they saw little value in upgrading to the software.

[...]


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[SLUG] Re: [LINK] Will governments grasp the nettle on spam

2007-01-09 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 06:41:34AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
 hfl
 I commented the other day about governments having to get more involved 
 in fighting spam.  It looks like I am not the only one with that thought.
 /hfl

i don't have any objection to better anti-spam laws, but i also don't
think they'll do much (if any) good - although it was nice to see the
perth spammers get some of what they deserve last year.

spammers are breaking many existing laws - some of them with far higher
penalties than any anti-spam penalties.

most of the things advertised by spam are already illegal (e.g. pump and
dump stock scams, nigerian 419 scams), or advertised/sold in a way
prohibited by regulations (e.g. pill spams). if the governments of the
world wanted to go after spammers, they've already got the laws to do
so.

porn spam could be targetted on the basis that it's impossible for
spammers to restrict their spam to adults (18+ or 21+ depending on
jurisdiction) so they are distributing pornography to children.

and the bulk of spam comes via spamware viruses which are in themselves
illegal.

about the only common spam that isn't for an illegal product or service
are mortgage spams, and they're fairly easy to block.



so yeah, good anti-spam laws would be an OK thingbut laws are never
going to replace the need for good anti-spam filters.

 http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36823
 
 [...]
 CTO of SoftScan Diego d'Ambra said in a press release that if spam 
 distribution levels continue to rise at the rate we have seen over the 
 last few months, then I believe that by the end of 2007 governments 
 worldwide will be obliged to enforce international anti-spam laws.

why?  spam is already causing massive problems to the email infrastructure
around the world, and governments are doing little or nothing.  why should
they suddenly decide to do something?  wishful thinking.

craig

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[SLUG] Re: [LINK] Will governments grasp the nettle on spam

2007-01-09 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 09:23:34AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
 Craig Sanders wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 06:41:34AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
 http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36823
 
 [...]
 CTO of SoftScan Diego d'Ambra said in a press release that if spam 
 distribution levels continue to rise at the rate we have seen over the 
 last few months, then I believe that by the end of 2007 governments 
 worldwide will be obliged to enforce international anti-spam laws.
 
 why?  spam is already causing massive problems to the email infrastructure
 around the world, and governments are doing little or nothing.  why should
 they suddenly decide to do something?  wishful thinking.
 
 Because soon they are going to wake up to the fact that it is also 
 inconveniencing them and not just the unwashed masses.

but it doesn't inconvenience them. it incoveniences their
staffersand they must have been ignoring their complaints about the
spam they have to wade through for years.

also, governments are pretty much all infected by the meme that ANY
economic activity is good economic activity, and spam results in
economic activity. while they can't actively support it, they can and
will ignore it.

craig

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[SLUG] Re: [LINK] Will governments grasp the nettle on spam

2007-01-09 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 09:51:07AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
 Craig Sanders wrote:
  also, governments are pretty much all infected by the meme that ANY
  economic activity is good economic activity, and spam results in
  economic activity. while they can't actively support it, they can and
  will ignore it.
 
 Do you mean that it's good for the economy for me to go around knocking 
 old ladies on the head and pinching their bank books then cleaning out 
 the accounts and spending up big time...

yep.  you'd be doing a service to the nation.

pretty small scale, though. you'd get a lot more appreciation if you
plundered the few remaining forests and/or spewed out megatons of
greenhouse gases.

craig

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Re: [SLUG] Spam again

2007-01-09 Thread Adam Kennedy

Robert Thorsby wrote:

On 2007.01.10 06:19 Howard Lowndes wrote:

I've just noticed that the spam level hitting my mail server
has increased 4 to 4 fold overnight, most of it being dropped
at the CONNECT stage.
http://www.lannet.com.au/traffic/h48/index.html

Has anyone else noticed similar?


Yes, there has been a massive increase in spam in recent days but last 
night it went off the richter scale.


Just a reminder to folks that if anyone would like to help me with the 
development of the new pooled real-time behaviour-based spam system I'd 
love to get an event feed of your spam.


More information at http://ali.as/threatnet/ or #threatnet in freenode.

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[SLUG] It's not too late to volunteer for linux.conf.au

2007-01-09 Thread Ben Leslie
Hi all,

It's not too late to volunteer for linux.conf.au! We are currently
looking for a few more people to help out as runners, front-of-house
and theatre managers.

If you are interested please email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
as soon as possible.

As a volunteer you get free entry into the conference and attendance at
the dinner.

Cheers,

Benno
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Re: [SLUG] Spam again

2007-01-09 Thread jam
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 08:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've just noticed that the spam level hitting my mail server
  has increased 4 to 4 fold overnight, most of it being dropped
  at the CONNECT stage.
  http://www.lannet.com.au/traffic/h48/index.html
 
  Has anyone else noticed similar?

 Yes, there has been a massive increase in spam in recent days but last
 night it went off the richter scale.

 Particularly nasty has been the bogus postmaster messages sent as
 bounces from random four or five alpha character group at my domain.

 There also appears to be another ugly one that contains random lines of
 text picked up by a search engine (searching the victim sender's HDD?).

 For several months now I have been sending my incoming spam to ACMA,
 for which I had to allow spam through (and then filter it). But I am
 about to abandon this and just stop the spam altogether -- at least, as
 best I can.

After John escaped the bottomless pit ...
How do you just stop spam
Everyone of my client or helo restrictions gets howls of anguish ..., broken 
mailers proliferate!
James
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Re: [SLUG] Sky2 module errors

2007-01-09 Thread Denis Crowdy
Solved - they have just packaged a 2.6.19 kernel and the module works  
fine.  Internal sound happening too.


Denis

On 09/01/2007, at 7:21 PM, Denis Crowdy wrote:



On 09/01/2007, at 2:41 PM, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:





sky2: :01:00:0: cannot assign irq 233
sky2: probe of :01:00:0 failed with error -38


Ok, tracing the include path from /usr/include/errno.h through
to /usr/include/asm-generic/errno.h shows that an error of -38
means :

#define ENOSYS  38  /* Function not implemented */


lsmod shows sky2 is loaded, but then I run out of skills/knowledge.


Anything more in /var/log/messages?

Will check next reboot - need to record tonight and that means OS X.



I
have tried noacpi at the boot prompt to no avail. Any clues as to
what else I could try?


I have fixed things like this by adding more debug output to the
driver source code and recompiling but its a slow and painful
process.
Er - good idea, but given the number of light years behind you I am  
in this regard, that's even more slow and painful - time I don't  
have...



The kernel is a realtime patched 2.6.17.  Interestingly, the install
kernel worked fine with sky2, and another realtime patched kernel
from another distribution (musix running 2.6.15) also worked.


Any reason you don't just use the working musix kernel with stdio64?

It's on a live CD and the FAQs and Knoppix discussion about  
installing to disk don't sound good.


Increasingly sounding like I should be patient and wait for the  
next release - I really don't need the network while actually doing  
any editing/recording/composing anyway I suppose...


Thanks Erik,

Denis


The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long
 plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men
 die like dogs. There's also a negative side.
   -- Hunter S. Thompson


Well said Hunter - vale Hunter I believe?


Denis Crowdy
Department of Contemporary Music Studies
Macquarie University, North Ryde NSW 2109, Australia
+61 2 9850 6787
http://www.motekulo.net  http://www.melanesianmusic.org



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Re: [SLUG] Spam again

2007-01-09 Thread Dean Hamstead

I recently blocked .jpg and .gif attachments on our server
here at bong.com.au (which also serves fragfest.com.au)

fortunately we dont have many users so its not a huge drama.
But its great that so much spam is image spam, because
adding such a rule has dropped our spam *enormously*

I also have HELO checks thanks to exim, i just block
'localhost' '127.0.0.1' and my domain name. scanning the
logs it has had some impact on the amount of spam, but
not as significant as feeding spamassassin regularly.

im not sure if razor is making much difference, my logs
dont really isolate things that well (razor being part of
spamassassin in my case)

We also block .exe .com .scr .doc .xls .ppt

It annoys people sometimes, but the benefits of ziping
annoying office documents outweigh not. (most doc files
will go to at least 25%, and there is nothing more annoying
than a powerpoint presentation of someones holiday snaps
being slung at you)

Dean

Howard Lowndes wrote:



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wednesday 10 January 2007 08:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've just noticed that the spam level hitting my mail server
has increased 4 to 4 fold overnight, most of it being dropped
at the CONNECT stage.
http://www.lannet.com.au/traffic/h48/index.html

Has anyone else noticed similar?

Yes, there has been a massive increase in spam in recent days but last
night it went off the richter scale.

Particularly nasty has been the bogus postmaster messages sent as
bounces from random four or five alpha character group at my domain.

There also appears to be another ugly one that contains random lines of
text picked up by a search engine (searching the victim sender's HDD?).

For several months now I have been sending my incoming spam to ACMA,
for which I had to allow spam through (and then filter it). But I am
about to abandon this and just stop the spam altogether -- at least, as
best I can.


After John escaped the bottomless pit ...
How do you just stop spam
Everyone of my client or helo restrictions gets howls of anguish ..., 
broken mailers proliferate!


I have abandoned HELO checks because of, mostly, screwed M$ Exchange 
servers and now rely on CONNECT, MAIL FROM, RCPT TO, and the usual DATA 
checks and I haven't noticed much change in the rejection rate but 
certainly an improvement (reduction) in the false positive hits, so it 
looks like the HELO checks aren't worth much other than grief from 
recipient users.



James




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Re: [SLUG] Spam - use of SPF

2007-01-09 Thread Amos Shapira

On 10/01/07, Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Just out of curiosity, and because I am procrastinating about doing
something else, I ran a quick analysis across my mail log file to see
what the extent of the use of SPF is:

pass29517
neutral 30354
softfail31082
none4783
unkown  31143



I remember seeing a mention of SPF and SenderID(?) a while ago concluding
that actually spammers were the first to rush to get themselves the right
records, virtually to the point that finding an SPF record could increase
the probability that you are dealing with a spammer (not that I'd suggest
anyone to use such a rule by itself, e.g. Gmail/Yahoo mail would fail such a
rule, filtering Hotmail is probably a good idea anyway :).

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Re: [SLUG] Low-light webcam for 256K upstream

2007-01-09 Thread Michael Brown

The 3Com Homeconnect camera is about the most awesome webcam you can get for
low light, or at least it was until they were discontinued. You can still
get them on eBay though.
I have one you can have to test out, the CCD is a bit buggered on it after
shining a laser into it.


On 09/01/07, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi,

I'm after a couple of webcams with excellent low-light performance
(maybe even an infra-red option), that perform well on a 256Kbps
upstream, with a bit of room for audio too... I guess 33Kbps for G729
VoIP should be ok, unless there's a better way to send audio with a
stream.

Any good Ubuntu 6.10 friendly models out there?

Ben
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[SLUG] Re: Low-light webcam for 256K upstream

2007-01-09 Thread Ben

I'm after a couple of webcams with excellent low-light performance
(maybe even an infra-red option)


I've selected a Philips ToUCam II, which I got on eBay for $93ea.
including insured shipping, since they aren't available in Australia.

Apparently it should work ok in Linux, so but I'll reply again when it arrives.

They're used by astronmers, with loads of lenses, filters, etc.
available for telescopes and low-light shooting and apparently they
can even handle 1lux stock.

There's also details on an IR conversion here:
http://www.grynx.com/projects/use-your-webcam-in-the-dark/1/

Ben
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Re: [SLUG] Low-light webcam for 256K upstream

2007-01-09 Thread Ben

On 1/10/07, Michael Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The 3Com Homeconnect camera is about the most awesome webcam you can get for
low light, or at least it was until they were discontinued. You can still
get them on eBay though.
I have one you can have to test out, the CCD is a bit buggered on it after
shining a laser into it.


Thanks. I read about those. My impatience got the better of me, but
I'll take up your offer if I have any trouble with the Philips cam.

Ben
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[SLUG] LinuxChix miniconference @ linux.conf.au 2007: Final schedule announced

2007-01-09 Thread Mary Gardiner
Dear all,

The LinuxChix miniconf @ linux.conf.au will be held Tuesday January 16
2007. All attendees of linux.conf.au, women AND men, are welcome to
attend and to participate in discussion, but are asked to remember that
the miniconf is women-oriented.

All attendees, speakers and helpers at the LinuxChix miniconf MUST be
registered attendees of linux.conf.au and be wearing their attendee
badges. If you are coming along or helping out and have not registered,
do so as soon as possible at http://lca2007.linux.org.au/Registration —
registrations are close to sold out, and will NOT be available when the
conference opens.

Please feel free to forward this announcement.

There are six sessions:

 - Session 1, from 11:00–11:40:

Mary Gardiner's welcome

Sulamita Garcia's talk on Is Free Software a Macho thing? Women and
FOSS
http://lca2007.linux.org.au/Miniconfs/Linuxchix/Schedule/Talks/WomenAndFOSS

 - Session 2 from 11:50–12:30:

Akkana Peck's talk on Bug Fixing for Non-Programmers
http://lca2007.linux.org.au/Miniconfs/Linuxchix/Schedule/Talks/BugFixing

 - Session 3 from 14:00–14:40:

Kristen Carlson Accardi's talk on De-mystifying PCI
http://lca2007.linux.org.au/Miniconfs/Linuxchix/Schedule/Talks/PCI

 - Session 4 from 14:50–15:30:

Lightning talks and demonstrations.

This session will feature 5–10 minute talks and/or demonstrations by
women, chaired by Stephanie Miller.

 - Session 5 from 16:00–16:40:

   Jacinta Richardson's talk on Social networking for fun and profit
   
http://lca2007.linux.org.au/Miniconfs/Linuxchix/Schedule/Talks/SocialNetworking

   Val Henson's talk on Closing the Gender Pay Gap One Salary at a
   Time
   http://lca2007.linux.org.au/Miniconfs/Linuxchix/Schedule/Talks/Negotiation

 - Session 6 from 16:50–17:30:

Small discussion groups on the subject of women and negotiation
following on from Jacinta's and Val's talks. Participants will be
divided into groups of approximately 8 people and invited to discuss
issues arising from Jacinta's and Val's talks and similar
experiences of their own.

In addition, there will be a social day on Sunday January 21:
http://lca2007.linux.org.au/Miniconfs/Linuxchix/BlueMountains

About the miniconference

The LinuxChix women's mini-conference will be held on Tuesday, 16 January,
2007 at the University of New South Wales in Sydney Australia, as part of
the annual linux.conf.au Free Software conference running from 15–20
January, 2007. All attendees of linux.conf.au are welcome to attend the
women's miniconference, which will highlight the technical achievements of
women in Free Software. The mini-conference welcomes attendees and speakers
from other women's advocacy and development groups including Systers, Fedora
Women and Debian Women among others.

Please see http://lca2007.linux.org.au/Miniconfs/Linuxchix for more
information about the women's mini-conference.

About linux.conf.au 2007

linux.conf.au is Australia's annual technical conference for the Open Source
and Free Software developer community. Now in its eighth year, linux.conf.au
is regarded as one of the premier global FLOSS technical events and attracts
many international open source software developers and users.

Returning to Sydney from the 15th to 20th of January, linux.conf.au 2007 is
supported by our Emperor sponsors, HP and IBM, and hosted at the University
of New South Wales. For more information about linux.conf.au 2007 visit our
website at: http://lca2007.linux.org.au/

About Linux Australia

Linux Australia exists to serve and promote the Australian Linux and Open
Source community. The organisation aims to do this best by taking
enthusiasms within the community, such as FOSS issues, projects, education,
advocacy just to name a few, and help them flourish, to succeed. The
lifeblood of this organisation is the people in the community, and Linux
Australia strives to be both relevant and useful to the community. For more
details about Linux Australia visit: http://www.linux.org.au/
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Fwd: [SLUG] Low-light webcam for 256K upstream

2007-01-09 Thread Michael Brown

I've also got a Kodak one I'd be willing to donate to anyone who wants to
have a crack at writing drivers for it.
Last I looked nobody had had any success with it, and it won't work with
dual core systems or even systems with multithreading due to some stupidness
in the closed source drivers, so it's pretty much useless to anyone unless
they run windows 98 on a pentium 3 or something.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Low-light webcam for 256K upstream

2007-01-09 Thread Peter Hardy

Ben wrote:

I'm after a couple of webcams with excellent low-light performance
(maybe even an infra-red option)


I've selected a Philips ToUCam II, which I got on eBay for $93ea.
including insured shipping, since they aren't available in Australia.


I have an older relative of the ToUCam, a PCVC-680 or something. They 
work well in Linux, and are indeed very very good in low light.


Apparently it should work ok in Linux, so but I'll reply again when it 
arrives.


The pwc driver has had a somewhat rocky history. It was originally 
written by a guy who signed an NDA with Philips to get access to the 
specs and wrote a binary-only driver. Then, after further consultation 
with Philips, he was able to split it in to two parts - a basic open 
source driver, and a secondary binary-only compression module needed for 
higher framerates / resolutions. The base driver was added and removed 
from the linux source tree a couple of times amid intense discussion 
about proprietary, binary-only modules. The fuss it caused was one of 
the driving factors causing the original author to abandon the project.


It's since been picked up by another group, who've also 
reverse-engineered the binary-only parts, and now ship a single open 
source driver that does everything the older two-module setup did. I'm 
not sure if there's a module in the linux.org kernel or not at the 
moment, but if there is, it's most likely the original discontinued 
driver, and not the newer fork.


You can get the new driver from http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/ , and 
it's also packaged for ubuntu (and probably debian) as pwc-source. 
Install that, and you should find some documentation in 
/usr/share/doc/pwc-source/ that will let you build a package and install 
it in a couple of steps.


Good luck!

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Low-light webcam for 256K upstream

2007-01-09 Thread Peter Hardy

Peter Hardy wrote:
You can get the new driver from http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/ , and 
it's also packaged for ubuntu (and probably debian) as pwc-source. 
Install that, and you should find some documentation in 
/usr/share/doc/pwc-source/ that will let you build a package and install 
it in a couple of steps.


Ooo. Checking the pwc wiki at 
http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/PWC/WorkingWebcamsWithPWC , it 
looks like the ToUCam II uses a different driver altogether.


Um... disregard everything I wrote. :-)

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Re: [SLUG] Spam - use of SPF

2007-01-09 Thread Adam Kennedy

Amos Shapira wrote:

On 10/01/07, Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Just out of curiosity, and because I am procrastinating about doing
something else, I ran a quick analysis across my mail log file to see
what the extent of the use of SPF is:

pass29517
neutral 30354
softfail31082
none4783
unkown  31143



I remember seeing a mention of SPF and SenderID(?) a while ago concluding
that actually spammers were the first to rush to get themselves the right
records, virtually to the point that finding an SPF record could increase
the probability that you are dealing with a spammer (not that I'd suggest
anyone to use such a rule by itself, e.g. Gmail/Yahoo mail would fail 
such a

rule, filtering Hotmail is probably a good idea anyway :).


That was entirely not the point of SPF though.

Merely HAVING an SPF record doesn't make you less of a spammer. It does 
however remove mail server spoofing and provide a verified identity for 
the mail servers.


You know the people sending you mail are who they say they are.

And once you know for sure that they are who they say they are, you can 
them use that identity to work out if they are goodies or baddies 
properly based on who they are.


So it provides a platform for identity-based filtering.

The spammers having SPF records merely forced them to come out openly 
about who they were.


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Re: [SLUG] Spam - use of SPF

2007-01-09 Thread Amos Shapira

On 10/01/07, Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


That was entirely not the point of SPF though.



(rest deleted for brevity).

All true, but the bottom line was that at some stage you could highly
correlate between finding an SPF/senderId record and figuring that you are
dealing with a spamming domain.

But anyway, it's almost a theoretical discussion - even with Hawards numbers
not contradicting this, I'm pretty sure it's not practical to do much with
this info beyond maybe being able to more tightly bind the negative
reputation of a spammer to the domain/id he used to send the spam from.

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Re: [SLUG] Spam - use of SPF

2007-01-09 Thread Adam Kennedy

Amos Shapira wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's not practical to do much with
this info beyond maybe being able to more tightly bind the negative
reputation of a spammer to the domain/id he used to send the spam from.


Correct. And it just so happens that the creator of SPF has a startup 
going called Karma for aggregating massive amounts of reputation data. :)


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