Re: [SLUG] Running Google Earth in Ubuntu
On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 21:10 +1000, Ken Caldwell wrote: On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 17:05 +1000, Ken Caldwell wrote: On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 06:05 +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: fglrx won't give you direct rendering on 9200 whatsoever.. they stopped supporting that card a long time ago.. the open source driver should support that card in feisty fine.. glxinfo should give direct rendering... does glxgears run? Does the system lockup completely? do you have any fancy AGP options enabled in the logs..? does adding Option CardType PCI to the driver section in xorg.conf make any difference? Attached is my xorg.conf file and a file glxinfo.txt containing the output of glxinfo. glxgears runs slowly and jerkily unless the window is small. The computer does not lock solid when I try to run googleearth but as that program seems to take about 95% of the CPU time not much else happens! I cant see mention of AGP in the xorg.conf file, in which log file should I look. (As you have no doubt guessed my knowledge of video cards is very limited.) I edited xorg.conf to call the radeon subdriver but the results were as before. I note that glxinfo reports direct rendering: No but I have not determined why. I shall be off line now until Monday. I have investigated this a bit further and extracted more information using glxinfo. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ glxinfo name of display: :0.0 libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 5.2.0 r200 (screen 0) libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_add_dispatch) libGL error: unable to find driver: r200_dri.so libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 5.2.0 r200 (screen 0) libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_add_dispatch) libGL error: unable to find driver: r200_dri.so display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No server glx vendor string: SGI server glx version string: 1.2 server glx extensions: GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group client glx vendor string: ATI client glx version string: 1.3 client glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_ATI_pixel_format_float, GLX_ATI_render_texture GLX version: 1.2 GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_ARB_multisample OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc. OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20060602 AGP 1x x86/MMX+/3DNow! +/SSE2 TCL OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 6.5.2 OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat -- 0x23 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x24 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x25 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow 0x26 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow 0x27 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x28 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x29 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow 0x2a 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow 0x2b 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x2c 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x2d 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow 0x2e 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow 0x2f 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x30 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None 0x31 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow 0x32 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow 0x4b 32 tc 1 0 0 c . . 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ The problem seems to be:- libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so libGL
Re: [SLUG] P2P question re Stealthed Ports
On 18/04/07, Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usually stealthed means that the ports are being filtered at the gateway and that incoming packets are being dropped rather than a Reset being sent, where they would be seen as Closed. I suspect that you have a firewall problem on your router. Most routers don't accept ICMP Ping and this could be causing the symptoms that you describe. Accepting or otherwise ICMP Ping won't lead to specific ports being listed as open or not. What the security site is doing is trying to open a connection to your machine on that port - it's sending a SYN packet to you. Think of this as someone seeing a person in a crowd that they think is you, and yelling Oi, Bill! What happens next is one of three things: * You turn around and say Hi John! - or, in the case of your computer, it sends a SYN ACK packet back, to indicate that the connection can commence. This results in John being sure you're the Bill he remembers, or your security site in listing the port as Open * You turn around and say Sorry, I don't know you - or, in the case of your computer, it sends a RST, to indicate that the connection can't connect. This results in John looking silly, or in the case of the security site, the port being listed as Closed * You ignore the shout and keep walking. John won't ever be sure what happened - did you not hear him? Perhaps your name isn't Bill? Perhaps you heard, and know who he is, but are still upset about that time he stole your cow, so you're pretending not to hear? In terms of your security site, there are a similar bunch of things that could have happened: your machine may not have received the request to open the connection (because an upstream firewall filtered it, or just because of random packet loss, or because it was in the middle of being rebooted at that moment, or...), or it might have received the request but chosen not to respond (because of some software firewall, or because the app running on that port was frozen, or...), or your computer might have received the request, sent a RST back, but that RST could have gone missing... Since there's no way to know what happened, your security site lists this as Stealthed --- But, all of the above is a bit of an intellectual wank, really - it might give you some understanding of what Stealthed means, but it doesn't help with your problem. Do any other ports that you have forwarded on the router get listed as 'open'? Do you have some kind of software firewall installed on your machine (Windows and Mac OS both come with firewalls by default, plus most antivirus packages come bundled with one now)? Was emule running at the time you did the scan? bill wrote: I have emule set up and working OK - I just downloaded a Linux .iso torrent without problem though it was slower than I think it should be. I do realise that the download speed depends upon my settings. connection speed and number of available seeders I have the appropriate ports forwarded on my modem/router, but a check with a Security site shows them as being stealthed On the Web I found the following info:- -- An open port is a port which accepts incoming traffic. In order to use a service on a host, the port must be open. If the port is not open the service is unavailable. A closed port does not accept incoming traffic. If a client tries to connect to a closed port, the host sends back a message to the client. This way the client is notified that the host exists but that the port is closed. A stealth port does not accept incoming traffic. In contrast to a closed port, a stealth port does not report anything back to the client. As nothing is sent back to the client, the client can not tell whether there exists a host on the given IP or not. --- Am I correct in thinking that the statement A stealth port does not accept incoming traffic. refers to traffic originating elsewhere other than as a result of a request from my system? or should the appropriate ports be open rather than stealthed Thanks for info\references\links Bill -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannetlinux.com When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- There is nothing more worthy of contempt than a man who quotes himself - Zhasper, 2004 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: recommended internet wireless
Not just in Sydney Metro - IRCing from a bus halfway between Byron Bay and the Gold Coast is quite useful[1] too :) What's the offshore coverage like? I'm sort of thinking about the NextG concept with the new tower/software upgrades they are planning later in the year, because apparently that should give 200km coverage out to sea. Not that I'll believe it until I see it, mind you, and Telstra's pricing is still extortionate (although not as extortionate as satellite, and faster than seamail over HF). -- Del Babel Com Australia http://www.babel.com.au/ ph: 02 9368 0728 fax: 02 9368 0758 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Running Google Earth in Ubuntu
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 16:14 +1000, Ken Caldwell wrote: I have investigated this a bit further and extracted more information using glxinfo. *snip* The problem seems to be:- libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_add_dispatch) libGL error: unable to find driver: r200_dri.so As /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so exists on this system do these messages indicate a bug in the package libgl1-mesa-dri which provided it? Earlier in this thread you mentioned you're using the ati driver. Do you have the fglrx driver package (xorg-driver-fglrx) installed as well? It installs its own libGL library, which is incompatible with the x.org one. And a quick test on my Ubuntu machine (with a Radeon 9250) gives the same error. So, uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx and try it again. :-) -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Terrible dedicated webhosting
I just recently had a very bad experience with a local provider of dedicated web hosting who proved multiple times that they had no idea what they were doing! I obviously will not name them here but if anyone is looking into dedicated hosting feel free to drop me an email so I can warn you! -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Bigpond NextG on Linux (Ubuntu)?
* On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:52:40AM +1000, Robert Thorsby wrote: On 2007.04.18 00:37 Adam Kennedy wrote: So nothing but good things so far with the network, at least in areas where you get the good towers. Haven't tried in country areas yet. Up our way (Mid North Coast) the response has been universal -- NextG is crap. Most who were coerced by Telstra into converting their mobiles are trying to convert back to CDMA. But, since Telstra hasn't listened to customers for three-quarters of a century, they are getting nowhere. Robert, does this comment apply to data (ie internet) or voice/mobile phones? I'm only interested in data access - how good is it in non-metro areas? -- Sonia Hamilton | GNU/Linux - 'free' as in | free speech, not free beer. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Blogging system recommendations
Hi folks. I'm building a simple web site for a mate of mine who's made a film that's just hitting the festival circuit. I want it to be pretty basic, with just a few pages and a blog that he can update. I use blosxom because it's bloody simple, but it required me to write in HTML. I'll need to get something that he can write in himself, and include links and images probably. So does anyone have any recommendations? Requirements * Ability for non-technical user to enter stuff * Can switch between plain text and HTML for markup * Can include links and images in posts * Easily integrated in another design without using frames Desirable * Has a .deb or is uber-simple to install and maintain * Not written in PHP * Not written in $trendy_language_of_the_week * Doesn't need a database * If it needs a database, can work with sqlite * Comments with some form of comment spam control * Has a critical announcements email list/RSS feed for when security holes are found. I'm looking at you phpBB (though they now have an RSS feed). -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net Remember, objects in the mirror are actually behind you - On a helmet mounted mirror used by US cyclists -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Terrible dedicated webhosting
Simon Wong wrote: I just recently had a very bad experience with a local provider of dedicated web hosting who proved multiple times that they had no idea what they were doing! I obviously will not name them here but if anyone is looking into dedicated hosting feel free to drop me an email so I can warn you! Why not? So long as you stick with the facts and can back up what you say and do so politely I see no reason why you not describe your experiences as a customer. The slug committee may have a policy on this though to protect themselves. It might be best though in slug-chat. Advantages to posting the name is that people will be aware if they are looking a hosting later on. Disadvantages is that the company might later on be taken over and completely change or they may lift their game after getting customer complaints but the bad post about them will hand around forever and then be undeserved. Mike -- Michael Lake Computational Research Support Unit Science Faculty, UTS Ph: 9514 2238 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Bigpond NextG on Linux (Ubuntu)?
On 2007.04.19 10:39 Sonia Hamilton wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:52:40AM +1000, Robert Thorsby wrote: Up our way (Mid North Coast) the response has been universal -- NextG is crap. Most who were coerced by Telstra into converting their mobiles are trying to convert back to CDMA. But, since Telstra hasn't listened to customers for three-quarters of a century, they are getting nowhere. Robert, does this comment apply to data (ie internet) or voice/mobile phones? Data over mobile in the bush -- you must be joking!! :-) All reports I have relate to voice/mobile phones -- the drop-out rate is horrendous; far worse than with CDMA. All anecdotes commence with: I used to get good CDMA from my back paddock, now the phone drops out all the time. This is in spite of a saturation ad campaign by Telstra that starts: The CDMA service is closing I might add that mobile coverage of the Pacific Hway is very good under GSM, better under CDMA, hopeless (unreliable) under NextG. Telstra's reputation has hit a previously thought to be impossible new low. The word has got out -- no one in the bush is changing over to NextG, except those conned by Telstra. Best anecdote I have regarding data over NextG comes (second hand) from the Campervan and Motorhome Club annual rally earlier this year. Internet on the Road guru giving talk at rally; explains why he switched from CDMA (which used to cost him over $100 per mnth, IIRC) to NextG; then advised a thunderstruck audience of Grey Nomads that his first monthly bill for his new service was for in excess of $4,000!!! Use Avian Carrier -- cheaper, faster and more reliable than NextG. Robert Thorsby -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations
* On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:06:43AM +0100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: * Not written in PHP * Not written in $trendy_language_of_the_week Rather limits your choices... I presume Ruby/Rails is too trendy, what about Python? -- Sonia Hamilton | GNU/Linux - 'free' as in .| free speech, not free beer. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations
This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton wrote: * On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:06:43AM +0100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: * Not written in PHP * Not written in $trendy_language_of_the_week Rather limits your choices... I presume Ruby/Rails is too trendy, what about Python? These are under the desirable heading. PHP is just too much of an open invitation to write buggy code. Ruby might be okay, presuming it's in a .deb, but otherwise I wouldn't have the foggiest where to start. Python is almost looking mature these days! gasp Feel free to recommend things that don't meet all the desirables. I suspect I'll have to compromise because there aren't many blogging tools that don't use databases, are written in Perl and have the features I mentioned. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations
Quoting Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PHP is just too much of an open invitation to write buggy code. If PERL or Python had as many novice programmers calling their programs PERLxxx or PythonXXX then I'm sure these languages would look just as bad. Feel free to recommend things that don't meet all the desirables. I suspect I'll have to compromise because there aren't many blogging tools that don't use databases, are written in Perl and have the features I mentioned. WordPress. -- Rich Buggy http://www.buggy.id.au/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations
This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If PERL or Python had as many novice programmers calling their programs PERLxxx or PythonXXX then I'm sure these languages would look just as bad. Matt's script archive anyone? WordPress. The unholy marriage PHP _and_ MySQL kinda writes it off for me. A toy programming language married to a toy database. Yes I'm bigotted, but this is my server and I'm allowed ;) -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Doing a demo of Ubuntu at my place of work
Thanks to all for your valuable feedback. I should of made myself a little more clearer. The boss is looking to offer it as a OS with the Desktops we sell. So its more a pitch to show its a viable option for our customers. None the less, the info I this thread is very useful. I have just customised my own laptop (running Kubuntu) with our companies branding and got a companies laptop here that I have just put on Feisty with Gnome and customised it the same. Today I have to install 1x Ubuntu and 1x Kubuntu systems in our lunch room, replacing 2 of the 5 Windows PC's. The boss wanted all 5 replaced but the IT Team protested, rightly, mentioning that people use our ERP software that, I have since found with some searching, doesn't have a Linux client but they have developed a Java client that runs on Linux. BUT.. you need ver 12 and we run ver 11...d0h! Its called MOVEX by the way. So for the Sales staff tomorrow monring I am thinking this approach (haven't got a reply back from the boss yet where I asked if he wants a quick 5 mins here it is or a 30 min presentation): 1. What is Linux? (going to ask what OS's people are aware of, expecting Win and Mac. Will mention the wide variety of OS's out there) 2. What does it offer the reg user. (Showing OOo, Email clients, browsers, multimedia apps etc) 3. What does it offer the Power user. (Thinking of throwing this in. Showing GNU/Linux systems ability to be totally over hauled if the user wants to. Might help sales staff who have tech savyy customers) 4. What doesn't it offer the user. (Gaming support being limited to Cedega and the Codec legal issue's) 5. Onlione support. (Mention users have access to forums, wiki's etc and also mention Ubuntu's shipit too.) Am I on track do you think ? Actually having a time getting my Z61t Thinkpad using a small, non-widescreen res, for the external VGA. Currently the edges miss causes its a widescreen laptop.) On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 07:40:07PM +1000, Russell Davie wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:30:45 +1000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Ward) wrote: Hi all, The company I have been working at now (for a bit over 6 mths now) is a largish (~$150Mil/year) national IT company deal in everything from Hardware, Software and services. But...very Windows centric much to my disappointment. Needless to say word has spread in the Office I am ..the Linux guy The Owner of the company has gave Linux thought and some how was tipped over the edge recently and called a meeting with a few key staff members hers and . me. So I am now doing a demo of Ubuntu in the Friday morning sales meeting! Any tips or points for catching the attention of mostly IT 'dumb' ales staff ? I am thinking Beryl/Compiz, the mention of no spyware and viruses and the backing of big name companies like Dell, IBM and Novell. Any advice welcome; really want to do the best for Linux and open source here and get it into this company. Thanks - Regards David oooh, what fun! For a sales meeting presentation for Linux, then use a sales approach! Slides demonstrating features and showing benefits of the feature. This is to show the *value* of the feature. eg feature may be Open Source, benefit is feature is ext3 file system, benefit is . suggestions for features / benefits please! Have a slide that benchmarks the two systems. ie make a table having columns with each choice (OS in this case) and rows describing qualities such as: Licence Fees ($) IT maintenance (hrs?) Downtime for installing new software (reboots, hrs?) Security (virii, permissions..?) Support (open vs closed source...) User base (web servers, Google...) Hardware requirements (older hardware...vs expensive new box to run vista) ...more suggestions of a benchmarking qualities, please! If each category can be expressed in $ or person-hrs then you have magic Total Cost of Ownership ! Be prepared for objections, which are really inquires for more information. eg: the code is public domain, so it can be cracked and is insecure answer: so your concern is security?explain Open Source model, use Apache as example of success. eg: so many distros, not just one distributor... answer: so your concern is ? (what is the real objection? usually security) eg: it can't do the same as such-and-such softwareeg desktop publisher software answer: what do you use this softw for? find appropriate soln or can use wine or a virtual machine. ...more suggestions of possible objection/solutions please!. Then close by putting it back to them to make a decision: what else is needed? when? thoughts on a trial? how big? how long? how to measure outcomes? criteria for success? ..more suggestions for closing, please!... - R -- Please, if possible, don't send me MS Word or Powerpoint attachments. Send plain text, rich
Re: [SLUG] Bigpond NextG on Linux (Ubuntu)?
Best anecdote I have regarding data over NextG comes (second hand) from the Campervan and Motorhome Club annual rally earlier this year. Internet on the Road guru giving talk at rally; explains why he switched from CDMA (which used to cost him over $100 per mnth, IIRC) to NextG; then advised a thunderstruck audience of Grey Nomads that his first monthly bill for his new service was for in excess of $4,000!!! We will be paying somewhere in the vicinity of $200-400 a month for our NextG data nodes, for (I believe) unlimited data. Adam K -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PHP is just too much of an open invitation to write buggy code. If PERL or Python had as many novice programmers calling their programs PERLxxx or PythonXXX then I'm sure these languages would look just as bad. Both Perl and Python have various things to discourage bad programming by default. The biggest example is probably SQL placeholders, which pretty much remove any chance of SQL injections attack in one fell swoop. I know for DBI it's very difficult to do any non-trivial work without using them. Wasn't going to reply at all (risking a flamewar) but the PERL pushed me over the edge :) Adam K -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Bigpond NextG on Linux (Ubuntu)?
This one time, at band camp, Adam Kennedy wrote: We will be paying somewhere in the vicinity of $200-400 a month for our NextG data nodes, for (I believe) unlimited data. You'll be wanting to check the fine print. Tel$tra haven't offered unlimited data on any service for some time. Yes, I've seen the big billboards too, but that doesn't mean you can buy an unlimited plan. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Blogging system recommendations
I'm using the tumblr software. Look at my blog (address below). It's very simple to use and would certainly meet at least some of your requirements, if not all. -- Visit http://stumblng.tumblr.com An Australian lawyers' tumblelog about things (some legal, most not) you might otherwise have missed -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Blogging system recommendations
On 19/04/07, Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest example is probably SQL placeholders, which pretty much remove any chance of SQL injections attack in one fell swoop. I know for DBI it's very difficult to do any non-trivial work without using them. I was just bitten (again) by the lack of support for these in the MS-SQL DBI interface. Is there another implementation which allows using place holders with MS SQL (2005)? Thanks, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Blogging system recommendations
This one time, at band camp, Leslie Katz wrote: I'm using the tumblr software. Look at my blog (address below). It's very simple to use and would certainly meet at least some of your requirements, if not all. Hmmm. I wasn't keen on a hosted option, but they allow you to point your own domain at it for free, so maybe I will. Nice. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net In politics, what begins in fear usually ends in folly. - Samuel Taylor Coleridge -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Doing a demo of Ubuntu at my place of work
On 19/04/07, David Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all for your valuable feedback. I should of made myself a little more clearer. The boss is looking to offer it as a OS with the Desktops we sell. So its more a pitch to show its a viable option for our customers. None the less, the info I this thread is very useful. If this is a pitch for sales people who are going to get comissions out of the margins - maybe mention the price of a Windows license vs. Linux license. Maybe if you start with this (or whatever point which itches them the most) you'll get them interested in the rest of your talk. Good luck, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
