[SLUG] Mini-notebook Sales Jump 398%
Hi I don't know if this is true but here it is http://tiny.cc/PGil5 I think this means that although some of this is the XP desktop a lot of it is GNU/Linux based ? -- Richard www.sheflug.org.uk -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mini-notebook Sales Jump 398%
Unfortunately from what I have read a lot of the manufacturers moved to XP on the slightly higher models, and models with larger disks, and a lot of those sales where XP machines. So much so that MS continued shipping XP and supporting it. They have now even made a cutdown version of 7 for netbooks. But it is progress, there are a heap of people out there using Linux on thei netbooks, the missus was already a convert and probably only bought her netbook cause she knew everything would just work with Linux. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Richard Ibbotson richard.ibbot...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I don't know if this is true but here it is http://tiny.cc/PGil5 I think this means that although some of this is the XP desktop a lot of it is GNU/Linux based ? -- Richard www.sheflug.org.uk -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Mini-notebook Sales Jump 398%
On Wednesday 26 Aug 2009 12:36:03 Morgan Storey wrote: Unfortunately from what I have read a lot of the manufacturers moved to XP on the slightly higher models, and models with larger disks, and a lot of those sales where XP machines. So much so that MS continued shipping XP and supporting it. They have now even made a cutdown version of 7 for netbooks. But it is progress, there are a heap of people out there using Linux on thei netbooks, the missus was already a convert and probably only bought her netbook cause she knew everything would just work with Linux. Yes. As part of the same discussion that I've had with a lot of people I found myself having a long chat to Mark Shuttleworth one day at an event in Brussels. He agreed with me that you can't get hold of any real figures for desktop use of GNU/Linux. However, it seems to be that thanks to the netbook penetration of the commercial desktop market is starting to happen. It's becoming acceptable and easy to use. I even managed to get someone from SuSE in Nuremberg to agree with me about this. As a side note: Fujitsu are saying that they might have to lay off 1200 people in the UK due to lack of sales. -- Richard www.sheflug.org.uk -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mini-notebook Sales Jump 398%
On Wed, August 26, 2009 9:36 pm, Morgan Storey wrote: Unfortunately from what I have read a lot of the manufacturers moved to XP on the slightly higher models, and models with larger disks, and a lot of those sales where XP machines. So much so that MS continued shipping XP and supporting it. They have now even made a cutdown version of 7 for netbooks. But it is progress, there are a heap of people out there using Linux on thei netbooks, the missus was already a convert and probably only bought her netbook cause she knew everything would just work with Linux. yes, I saw similar articles (and it seems to be confirmed when spec-browsing) according to an OEM offer out of PRC someone showed me, the cost of OEM XPH was USD30 or 35 (no idea if it was genuine) also saw some article claiming Intel won't allow 1.6Ghz CPUs for the 11 netbooks (as not to compete with laptops), and I see Acer's 11 is 1.3 CPU not 1.6 -- Voytek -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mini-notebook Sales Jump 398%
Hopefully an alternative to the Atom will hit the market soon Need some competition to heat things up and bring prices down. Dean yes, I saw similar articles (and it seems to be confirmed when spec-browsing) according to an OEM offer out of PRC someone showed me, the cost of OEM XPH was USD30 or 35 (no idea if it was genuine) also saw some article claiming Intel won't allow 1.6Ghz CPUs for the 11 netbooks (as not to compete with laptops), and I see Acer's 11 is 1.3 CPU not 1.6 -- http://fragfest.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Let's agree to sue each other! Not.
2009/8/23 Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org: quote who=Sridhar Dhanapalan Having someone to sue is already in the set of criteria used by decision makers. It's not. Show me an agreement which gives a client the opportunity to sue a vendor -- aside from breach of contract or negligence, neither of which are matters of contract. The decision makers you speak of are looking for the kind of organisation which is unlikely to fail in the first place, not one which is dumb enough to agree to be sued for failure. I think you took me a little too literally. It was more of a cynical swipe than anything else. -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] squid reverse proxy almost working - but only ever hitting default site
Hi Martin, All, thanks. I realized that vhost was missing and put it in. squid still fails. internally the ip addresses are as follows... 10.1.2.249 www.pamphlets.org.au 10.1.2.250 www.icafe.com.au 10.1.2.252 squid.icafe.com.au If I have the config as below, I only ever get www.icafe.com.au from external no matter what url I put in. If I take out the three cache_peer lines I get nothing but the error from external... this request could not be forwarded to the origin server or to any parent caches... the pertinent config lines below... (ie changes from default squid version 3.0) http_port 80 accel defaultsite=www.icafe.com.au vhost cache_peer 10.1.2.250 parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=myAccel acl our_sites dstdomain www.icafe.com.au www.pamphlets.org.au *.pamphlets.org.au *.icafe.com.au http_access allow our_sites cache_peer_access myAccel allow our_sites cache_peer_access myAccel deny all I only have one squid box called squid. icafe and pamphlets are only http servers. Why does the below line cache_peer 10.1.2.250 parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=myAccel correctly only return the www.icafe.com.au site? It is not a cache parent. any ideas anyone? Thanks. Ben Another idea is to setup apache to reverse proxy by port number... Anyone done this? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mini-notebook Sales Jump 398%
Dean Hamstead wrote: Hopefully an alternative to the Atom will hit the market soon Need some competition to heat things up and bring prices down. The cost and pricing model has changed completely. 12 years ago, you had to pay a premium for a small laptop. My NEC Versa 4200c (no camera, but mutlimedia capable) cost around $6,000 retail (I used it until 2004). My Targa cost $1000 (with additional memory, firewire) in 2004. Today, the Kogan Pro (with camera/microphone) is just $439 and the Motorolla U9 telephone (with camera and voice recorder) running Linux/Java is $99. The Battery technology also contributes to the price and weight. However, given environmental concerns, I suggest this is the area where we need to and hopefull will see most improvements. We might also go back to the future - with desktop workstations for portable devices. Dean yes, I saw similar articles (and it seems to be confirmed when spec-browsing) according to an OEM offer out of PRC someone showed me, the cost of OEM XPH was USD30 or 35 (no idea if it was genuine) also saw some article claiming Intel won't allow 1.6Ghz CPUs for the 11 netbooks (as not to compete with laptops), and I see Acer's 11 is 1.3 CPU not 1.6 -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] squid reverse proxy almost working - but only ever hitting default site
Hi Martin, just a straight copy and paste of your suggestion into a new default squid.conf file under the following line... #INSERT YOUR OWN RULE(S) HERE TO ALLOW ACCESS FROM YOUR CLIENTS acl our_sites dstdomain www.icafe.com.au www.pamphlets.org.au *.pamphlets.org.au *.icafe.com.au acl icafe dstdomain www.icafe.com.au *.icafe.com.au acl pamphlets dstdomain www.pamphlets.org.au *.pamphlets.org.au http_access allow our_sites cache_peer_access icafe_peer allow icafe cache_peer_access pamphlets_peer allow pamphlets http_port 80 accel defaultsite=www.icafe.com.au vhost cache_peer 10.1.2.250 parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=icafe_peer cache_peer 10.1.2.249 parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=pamphlets_peer when starting squid I get this... 2009/08/27 11:08:34| Processing Configuration File: /etc/squid/squid.conf (depth 0) 2009/08/27 11:08:34| squid.conf, line 648: No cache_peer 'icafe_peer' 2009/08/27 11:08:34| squid.conf, line 649: No cache_peer 'pamphlets_peer' 2009/08/27 11:08:34| Initializing https proxy context Starting squid: . [ OK ] cache.log 2009/08/27 11:14:15| temporary disabling (Not Found) digest from 10.1.2.250 2009/08/27 11:15:15| temporary disabling (Not Found) digest from 10.1.2.249 when I browse the sites from external (i've updated the sites so that there is a slight change on each) www.icafe.com.au gives the correct updated site after a shift-reload of the browser www.pamphlets.org.au gives a very old www.icafe.com.au site even after deleting and clearing the browser. I'm trying to figure where it is getting this old version from. What does no cache_peer mean here? Thanks Ben. Martin Barry wrote: $quoted_author = Ben Donohue ; http_port 80 accel defaultsite=www.icafe.com.au vhost cache_peer 10.1.2.250 parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=myAccel acl our_sites dstdomain www.icafe.com.au www.pamphlets.org.au *.pamphlets.org.au *.icafe.com.au http_access allow our_sites cache_peer_access myAccel allow our_sites cache_peer_access myAccel deny all Can you try this? acl our_sites dstdomain www.icafe.com.au www.pamphlets.org.au *.pamphlets.org.au *.icafe.com.au acl icafe dstdomain www.icafe.com.au *.icafe.com.au acl pamphlets dstdomain www.pamphlets.org.au *.pamphlets.org.au http_access allow our_sites cache_peer_access icafe_peer allow icafe cache_peer_access pamphlets_peer allow pamphlets http_port 80 accel defaultsite=www.icafe.com.au vhost cache_peer 10.1.2.250 parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=icafe_peer cache_peer 10.1.2.249 parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=pamphlets_peer cheers Marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: 40 Years of Unix
jam wrote: On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:00:06 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: The point about shells has already been made, but some people have got a bit sidetracked. Shells are command-interpreters; they mediate between the user and the kernel. Applications in Unix, as has already been said, get to run because a shell is spawned by the fork() system process. This is as true for GUI applications as for command-line text ones. [snip] old fart mode not with standing, not stupid, so I do know that opining that GUI s are slow and cumbersome compared to the CLI will provoke ummm response. What did surprise me was that the list of things GUIs *are* good at was not emphasized at all. Kinda like going to the YR12 ball in a F1 car rather than a stretch limo. Hearking back to Marghanita's original query: shells are an important part of the system and Wine, Java etc are apps not shells. Thanks for lively criticism :-) James Both GUIs and shells are just human interfaces for people to talk to computers, instructions are then translated to machine language for the computer. Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mini-notebook Sales Jump 398%
Definitely, It wasnt long ago that the $999 desktop, then the $999 laptop was a massive breakthrough. I hope someone (amd maybe) breaks the Atom monopoly and brings some more cores, bits, fpu and pipelines to the netbook cpu market. Dean Marghanita da Cruz wrote: Dean Hamstead wrote: Hopefully an alternative to the Atom will hit the market soon Need some competition to heat things up and bring prices down. The cost and pricing model has changed completely. 12 years ago, you had to pay a premium for a small laptop. My NEC Versa 4200c (no camera, but mutlimedia capable) cost around $6,000 retail (I used it until 2004). My Targa cost $1000 (with additional memory, firewire) in 2004. Today, the Kogan Pro (with camera/microphone) is just $439 and the Motorolla U9 telephone (with camera and voice recorder) running Linux/Java is $99. The Battery technology also contributes to the price and weight. However, given environmental concerns, I suggest this is the area where we need to and hopefull will see most improvements. We might also go back to the future - with desktop workstations for portable devices. Dean yes, I saw similar articles (and it seems to be confirmed when spec-browsing) according to an OEM offer out of PRC someone showed me, the cost of OEM XPH was USD30 or 35 (no idea if it was genuine) also saw some article claiming Intel won't allow 1.6Ghz CPUs for the 11 netbooks (as not to compete with laptops), and I see Acer's 11 is 1.3 CPU not 1.6 -- http://fragfest.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] squid reverse proxy almost working - but only ever hitting default site
Hi Martin, Mate you are a genius! All working now. I just moved the lines as you suggested. Nothing else and both sites working. I'm going to run up a third site and add it in to the mix. Then carefully doco how this is done. I definitely owe you at least a beer. Thanks again. Ben Martin Barry wrote: $quoted_author = Ben Donohue ; 2009/08/27 11:08:34| squid.conf, line 648: No cache_peer 'icafe_peer' 2009/08/27 11:08:34| squid.conf, line 649: No cache_peer 'pamphlets_peer' Ah, I think you need to move the cache_peer lines above the cache_peer_access ones. www.pamphlets.org.au gives a very old www.icafe.com.au site even after deleting and clearing the browser. I'm trying to figure where it is getting this old version from. Check using tcpdump that requests for www.pamphlets.org.au are going to the .249 server? Check how things are being handled on the .249 server? Logs? Config? cheers Martin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: 40 Years of Unix
Ken Wilson wrote: jam wrote: On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:00:06 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: The point about shells has already been made, but some people have got a bit sidetracked. Shells are command-interpreters; they mediate between the user and the kernel. Applications in Unix, as has already been said, get to run because a shell is spawned by the fork() system process. This is as true for GUI applications as for command-line text ones. [snip] old fart mode not with standing, not stupid, so I do know that opining that GUI s are slow and cumbersome compared to the CLI will provoke ummm response. What did surprise me was that the list of things GUIs *are* good at was not emphasized at all. Kinda like going to the YR12 ball in a F1 car rather than a stretch limo. Hearking back to Marghanita's original query: shells are an important part of the system and Wine, Java etc are apps not shells. Thanks for lively criticism :-) James Both GUIs and shells are just human interfaces for people to talk to computers, instructions are then translated to machine language for the computer. Ken There is a nice write up here: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Unix_command_shell and another aspect of Unix, which seems to have repeated itself (or not?) with unix-like linux is the different flavours: Solaris, BSD, AIX, Ultrix (now apparently known as HPUX). As of 2007, the owner of the trademark is The Open Group, an industry standards consortium. Only systems fully compliant with and certified according to the Single UNIX Specification are qualified to use the trademark; others are called Unix system-like or Unix-like. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] squid reverse proxy working successfully
Hi all Just posting this here so that it gets saved in the SLUG archives and may help someone in the same situation in future. The following configuration has been successfully tested and more sites should be easily added by adding to the following config. The following was added to a default version 3.0 squid.conf for a reverse proxy setup. # INSERT YOUR OWN RULE(S) HERE TO ALLOW ACCESS FROM YOUR CLIENTS acl our_sites dstdomain www.domain1.com.au www.domain2.org.au www.domain3.org.au *.domain1.com.au *.domain2.org.au *.domain3.org.au acl domain1 dstdomain www.domain1.com.au *.domain1.com.au acl domain2 dstdomain www.domain2.org.au *.domain2.org.au acl domain3 dstdomain www.domain3.org.au *.domain3.org.au http_port 80 accel defaultsite=www.domain1.com.au vhost cache_peer 10.1.2.250 parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=domain1_peer cache_peer 10.1.2.248 parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=domain2_peer cache_peer 10.1.2.249 parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=domain3_peer http_access allow our_sites cache_peer_access domain1_peer allow domain1 cache_peer_access domain2_peer allow domain2 cache_peer_access domain3_peer allow domain3 (NOT part of squid.conf) where 10.1.2.250 = domain1 http server 10.1.2.248 = domain2 http server 10.1.2.249 = domain3 http server 10.1.2.252 = squid server all servers are seperate servers and DNS is working correctly both internally and externally. Thanks again to Martin and all who helped with suggestions to get this working. Ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
