Re: [SLUG] Meeting tonight push bike

[James Polley]

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:24 PM, SMITH GARETH <
gareth.sm...@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>I want to ride my push bike into the meeting tonight is there
> anywhere I can chain my push bike up in the Google facility?


We have visitor bike racks out the front of the building


>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Gareth
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[SLUG] Meeting tonight push bike

[SMITH GARETH]

Hi guys,
I want to ride my push bike into the meeting tonight is there
anywhere I can chain my push bike up in the Google facility?


Kind regards, 

Gareth 
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Re: [SLUG] Kogan Agora Netbooks

[Dean Hamstead]

sounds like slug should arrange some kick backs

Dean

Marghanita da Cruz wrote:

Thanks Terry,

Your initial response prompted a whole lot of discussion,
and a few purchases.

Marghanita
Terry Dawson wrote:


(sorry, this one got lost too!)

Marghanita da Cruz wrote:

However,  I would like to know what ports are available and
whether Wifi is built in (as is the case with eeePC). Though,
I don't expect firewire - which my current laptop meets.


Wifi is built in. Bluetooth is not.
There are two (three?) USB 2.0 ports.
One 100Mbps ethernet port.


I have also heard reports about issues with the fan.


We've not experienced any fan issues.


Have you used an external DVD/CD burner or other external
storage?


Yes, I've used both external USB hard disk and I installed the Ubuntu 
Netbook respin on mine from an external USB DVD drive without issue.



I assume it has no problems with USB drives/cameras/phones?


I've not tried any of those with it, other than my HTC G1 phone, which 
works as expected.


Terry


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Re: [SLUG] Kogan Agora Netbooks

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Thanks Terry,

Your initial response prompted a whole lot of discussion,
and a few purchases.

Marghanita
Terry Dawson wrote:


(sorry, this one got lost too!)

Marghanita da Cruz wrote:

However,  I would like to know what ports are available and
whether Wifi is built in (as is the case with eeePC). Though,
I don't expect firewire - which my current laptop meets.


Wifi is built in. Bluetooth is not.
There are two (three?) USB 2.0 ports.
One 100Mbps ethernet port.


I have also heard reports about issues with the fan.


We've not experienced any fan issues.


Have you used an external DVD/CD burner or other external
storage?


Yes, I've used both external USB hard disk and I installed the Ubuntu 
Netbook respin on mine from an external USB DVD drive without issue.



I assume it has no problems with USB drives/cameras/phones?


I've not tried any of those with it, other than my HTC G1 phone, which 
works as expected.


Terry

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Re: [SLUG] Re: 40 Years of Unix

[Marghanita da Cruz]

jam wrote:

On Friday 28 August 2009 07:20:35 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote:
[snip]

and another aspect of Unix, which seems to have repeated
itself (or not?) with "unix-like" linux is the different flavours:
Solaris, BSD, AIX, Ultrix (now apparently known as HPUX).

[snip]

These are legal issues not technical ones. There are two categories: licensed 
(from the unix license holders) unix, but who may not use unix(c) to describe 
their product eg AIX, HPUX (I worked for HP in the '80's and it was HPUX even 
then) and things that work just like (or even better) than unix but which do 
not derive from the source. eg minix, linux, bsd


Ahh...I just asumed the DEC>Compaq>HP meant Ultrix>>HP ULTRIX

What MS/Windows  has contributed, to the evolution, is that Linux is hardware
independent. That is what amazed me, when the laptop just booted off the Knoppix
disk in 2004.

Marghanita


Long long ago unix was given away to educational institutions. I do not know 
how tainting with that affects current offerings.


James
 

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Re: [SLUG] Kogan Agora Netbooks

[Terry Dawson]

(sorry, this one got lost too!)

Marghanita da Cruz wrote:

However,  I would like to know what ports are available and
whether Wifi is built in (as is the case with eeePC). Though,
I don't expect firewire - which my current laptop meets.


Wifi is built in. Bluetooth is not.
There are two (three?) USB 2.0 ports.
One 100Mbps ethernet port.


I have also heard reports about issues with the fan.


We've not experienced any fan issues.


Have you used an external DVD/CD burner or other external
storage?


Yes, I've used both external USB hard disk and I installed the Ubuntu 
Netbook respin on mine from an external USB DVD drive without issue.



I assume it has no problems with USB drives/cameras/phones?


I've not tried any of those with it, other than my HTC G1 phone, which 
works as expected.


Terry
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Re: [SLUG] Writing Double layer DVD-R - problems

[jam]

On Friday 28 August 2009 07:20:35 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote:
> I've tried Kubuntu 8.04, Xubuntu 9.04 and LinuxMint7 (Ubuntu 9.04 I
> think) on different PCs with different DVD-RW drives.
>
> All drives will "copy" a double layer DVD to an .iso file, but none will
> record the .iso to an 8.4 gb double layer (single-sided) DVD+R (Teac).
>
> I've googled endlessly and while I find many with the same problem,
> nobody seems to have a solution.
>
> Many posts mention mkisofs and how it is no longer included in Ubuntu,
> having been replaced with genisoimage and I've found posts that say that
> double-layer dvd's can be burned under Suse, I havent found anything
> mentioned about being able to do the same under Ubuntu (or derivatives).
>
> My LG GSA-4613B dvd-rw sees the blank disk correctly, as do my other
> DVD-RW drives, but none will write.
>
> I have set the DVD size to 8.4gb in K3b, and I have tried Brasero and
> Gnomebaker. None will burn.
>
> Any advice or links  appreciated, else I'll do a temp install of Suse to
> see if that does work.

I use k3b because IMHO the others cause grief, but I wrote dual layer and 
double sided RW without noticing. Twas a while ago so I cannot say which 
distro it was. The dual-layer RW discs cost $$ and failed within a year!

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Re: [SLUG] Kogan Agora Netbooks

[Terry Dawson]

Dean Hamstead wrote:

How does battery life fare?


damn. For some reason my procmail has filed this whole thread into a new 
folder which my IMAP client was not subscribed to read, so I've missed it!


grr.

I've had the Pro(s) now for a few weeks and we routinely get about 3.5 
hours of solid use out of them.


These things are good enough that my Sony Vaio, which cost more than 
five times as much, has been relegated to replacing a desktop machine.


Terry

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Re: [SLUG] Re: 40 Years of Unix

[jam]

On Friday 28 August 2009 07:20:35 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote:
[snip]
> and another aspect of Unix, which seems to have repeated
> itself (or not?) with "unix-like" linux is the different flavours:
> Solaris, BSD, AIX, Ultrix (now apparently known as HPUX).
[snip]

These are legal issues not technical ones. There are two categories: licensed 
(from the unix license holders) unix, but who may not use unix(c) to describe 
their product eg AIX, HPUX (I worked for HP in the '80's and it was HPUX even 
then) and things that work just like (or even better) than unix but which do 
not derive from the source. eg minix, linux, bsd

Long long ago unix was given away to educational institutions. I do not know 
how tainting with that affects current offerings.

James
 
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Re: [SLUG] Re: 40 Years of Unix

[Oscar Plameras]

"Shell" is a set of functions that includes a text-based user interface.

It hides the function details and complexities of the inner core or Kernel
of the Operating System (OS). The Kernel is comprised of the device
drivers to access various types and brands of disk, printers, networks,
and other hardware peripherals in the market. There are dozens of
each kind and type of these peripherals out there. For each of these
peripherals a unique device driver maybe needed for it to work.

For example, the shell could read data from any disk, ide, sata, or scsi
using a single function call. This is possible because the OS is layered.

It's called Shell because it covers the Kernel of the OS.

In many illustrations of the Unix OS,the OS is presented as a sphere,
with three layers. The inner most layer is the Kernel, the next layer is
the Shell which surrounds the Kernel, and the Applications which
surround the Shell. This is to illustrate that Applications request
services via the Shell. Of course one could write an Application to
bypass the Shell but only a masochist or a fool would do that. There
are always exceptions to this last statement, i.e., if an application
requires better access efficiency or some cute features.

Applications request OS services from the Kernel through the Shell. The
OS returns the result to the Application via the Shell.

One obvious reason why we love the shell is, so that we do not need
to rewrite our Applications every time there is a new brand or type of
device. Our OS developer or Device manufacturer writes the device
driver and we simply add that to our Kernel. Installing is easier than
developing. There are scores of peripherals manufactured every year
and so imagine the amount of modifications that Application developers
will have to do if OS was not designed with a Shell.

KDE, GNOME, etc., are shells with Graphics User Interfaces.
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[SLUG] Re: [coders] Query about Kurobox or similar

[Matthew Hannigan]

You might try one of the NASs that can be debianized.

cc'd to slug not coders



On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 01:01:05AM +1000, db wrote:
> If you really want a kurobox then you can order one online. Otherwise
> you may still be able to pick up an linkstation pro (basically a
> kurobox minus a few things). The linkstation pro is essentially a
> kurobox, but with a hard drive --> $200ish i think you can get one in
> australia from ht.com.au
> 
> 
> 
> However, you may want to buy something more powerful like a plugpc
> http://www.plugcomputer.org/  ($99USD) / get a atom :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.nas-central.org/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/8/22 高远 :
> >
> > Thank you Matthew.
> >
> > I'm looking at Kuro for its slim and fanless design. Do you have any 
> > recommondation for x86 alternatives with these pros available too?
> >
> > Also for the mailing list, would it be appropriate to cc this post to the 
> > main list or better for me to re-post the question over there? I am new to 
> > this so please bear with me on this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:05:48 +1000
> >> From: m...@zip.com.au
> >> To: wolf0...@hotmail.com
> >> CC: cod...@slug.org.au
> >> Subject: Re: [coders] Query about Kurobox or similar
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:28:34AM +0800, 高远 wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Sorry if my last mail was corrupted. I will try send again with plain 
> >>> text format.
> >>>
> >>> I am new to this list and please tell me if I am going off topic here.
> >>> I am considering getting a small box for Linux hacking. Considering 
> >>> revogear Kuro box because it's a fanless, small stuff and doesn't cost 
> >>> too much. Reference page 
> >>> http://www.revogear.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=KURO%2DBOX%2FHG%2DWR&Show=TechSpecs
> >>>
> >>> Question is, is this stuff available anywhere in Sydney? And, is there a 
> >>> better choice with similar price tags (preferable w/ Atom CPU).
> >>>
> >>> Sorry if I send the wrong question here.
> >>
> >> This is more suitable for the main slug list. Many people who might be 
> >> able to
> >> help you won't see it here.
> >>
> >> It doesn't seem a bad price. But what are you looking for? Does it have to 
> >> be small?
> >> Because otherwise you might be better off getting a second hand x86 
> >> machine.
> > _
> > 与任何您希望的人分享您的回忆。
> > http://www.microsoft.com/china/windows/windowslive/products/photos-share.aspx?tab=1
> > ___
> > coders mailing list
> > cod...@slug.org.au
> > http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/coders
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Re: [SLUG] Re: 40 Years of Unix

[Matthew Hannigan]

Shell is a generic term for user interface, as well as a
specific term, for e.g. unix cmomand line shells or the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Shell

Speaking of shells has anyone used rc or es for any length
of time on a non-plan9 machine?

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rc_shell)




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Re: [SLUG] Nokia one-ups IBM on Linux marketing

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Adam Kennedy wrote:

Hi gang

You may have noticed recently that Nokia has decided to pack a fairly
beefy Linux setup into their new super high end phone.

What I didn't notice till today is that they've also had a shot at
making the shiniest ad for a Linux OS yet :)

http://maemo.nokia.com/

Adam K


despite Nokia leading the scuffling of the inclusion of
the Theora codec in the HTML5 specification:

Some Slashdot commenters have pointed out that they have technical problems 
with Ogg Theora. That's a valid discussion to have -- if the W3C is going to 
pick a video codec, its technical merits should be discussed. But remember, 
that's not what Nokia is objecting to: they are arguing that Ogg is proprietary 
(it isn't) and that DRM should be part of a Web standard (it shouldn't). PDF 
link to Nokia's W3C submission, Link to Slashdot comments



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[SLUG] Nokia one-ups IBM on Linux marketing

[Adam Kennedy]

Hi gang

You may have noticed recently that Nokia has decided to pack a fairly
beefy Linux setup into their new super high end phone.

What I didn't notice till today is that they've also had a shot at
making the shiniest ad for a Linux OS yet :)

http://maemo.nokia.com/

Adam K
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Re: [SLUG] Re: 40 Years of Unix

[Amos Shapira]

2009/8/27 Marghanita da Cruz 
>
> Solaris, BSD, AIX, Ultrix (now apparently known as HPUX).


"Ultrix" (aka "Ulcus" (Latin for "Ulcer")) was the UNIX version of
Digital before they moved to OSF/1.
HPUX (aka "H-Puke") is HP's version.


Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] Writing Double layer DVD-R - problems

[Tony Sceats]

maybe not actually related, but I couldn't burn dvd's recently, however I
could read them without any problem.. buying a DVD cleaner disk (which is a
DVD but with a tiny brush on it) fixed the problem perfectly
I don't think this is related because I assume  bill can write single sided
dvds (?), but it was an annoying little fact of disc burning that required
something physical to be done, and actually it took me ages to get around to
getting the little thing :(

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Ben Donohue  wrote:

> Does it burn a CD?
> I"ve got a DVD drive that is faulty (i believe) because it won't burn a DVD
> under Linux or Windows but will burn a CD. It's definitely a DVD writer.
> What can yours do? How old is it? Under warranty? Take it back to the shop
> you got it from and ask them to test it?
> Ben
>
>
>
> bill wrote:
>
>> I've tried Kubuntu 8.04, Xubuntu 9.04 and LinuxMint7 (Ubuntu 9.04 I think)
>> on different PCs with different DVD-RW drives.
>>
>> All drives will "copy" a double layer DVD to an .iso file, but none will
>> record the .iso to an 8.4 gb double layer (single-sided) DVD+R (Teac).
>>
>> I've googled endlessly and while I find many with the same problem, nobody
>> seems to have a solution.
>>
>> Many posts mention mkisofs and how it is no longer included in Ubuntu,
>> having been replaced with genisoimage and I've found posts that say that
>> double-layer dvd's can be burned under Suse, I havent found anything
>> mentioned about being able to do the same under Ubuntu (or derivatives).
>>
>> My LG GSA-4613B dvd-rw sees the blank disk correctly, as do my other
>> DVD-RW drives, but none will write.
>>
>> I have set the DVD size to 8.4gb in K3b, and I have tried Brasero and
>> Gnomebaker. None will burn.
>>
>> Any advice or links  appreciated, else I'll do a temp install of Suse to
>> see if that does work.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bill
>>
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Re: [SLUG] Writing Double layer DVD-R - problems

[Ben Donohue]

Does it burn a CD?
I"ve got a DVD drive that is faulty (i believe) because it won't burn a 
DVD under Linux or Windows but will burn a CD. It's definitely a DVD writer.
What can yours do? How old is it? Under warranty? Take it back to the 
shop you got it from and ask them to test it?

Ben


bill wrote:
I've tried Kubuntu 8.04, Xubuntu 9.04 and LinuxMint7 (Ubuntu 9.04 I 
think) on different PCs with different DVD-RW drives.


All drives will "copy" a double layer DVD to an .iso file, but none 
will record the .iso to an 8.4 gb double layer (single-sided) DVD+R 
(Teac).


I've googled endlessly and while I find many with the same problem, 
nobody seems to have a solution.


Many posts mention mkisofs and how it is no longer included in Ubuntu, 
having been replaced with genisoimage and I've found posts that say 
that double-layer dvd's can be burned under Suse, I havent found 
anything mentioned about being able to do the same under Ubuntu (or 
derivatives).


My LG GSA-4613B dvd-rw sees the blank disk correctly, as do my other 
DVD-RW drives, but none will write.


I have set the DVD size to 8.4gb in K3b, and I have tried Brasero and 
Gnomebaker. None will burn.


Any advice or links  appreciated, else I'll do a temp install of Suse 
to see if that does work.


Thanks

Bill

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[SLUG] Writing Double layer DVD-R - problems

[bill]

I've tried Kubuntu 8.04, Xubuntu 9.04 and LinuxMint7 (Ubuntu 9.04 I 
think) on different PCs with different DVD-RW drives.


All drives will "copy" a double layer DVD to an .iso file, but none will 
record the .iso to an 8.4 gb double layer (single-sided) DVD+R (Teac).


I've googled endlessly and while I find many with the same problem, 
nobody seems to have a solution.


Many posts mention mkisofs and how it is no longer included in Ubuntu, 
having been replaced with genisoimage and I've found posts that say that 
double-layer dvd's can be burned under Suse, I havent found anything 
mentioned about being able to do the same under Ubuntu (or derivatives).


My LG GSA-4613B dvd-rw sees the blank disk correctly, as do my other 
DVD-RW drives, but none will write.


I have set the DVD size to 8.4gb in K3b, and I have tried Brasero and 
Gnomebaker. None will burn.


Any advice or links  appreciated, else I'll do a temp install of Suse to 
see if that does work.


Thanks

Bill
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