Re: [SLUG] Re: Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?
On 06/02/12 17:41, Nick Andrew wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 09:34:22AM +0800, James Linder wrote: If I choose to use windows then the only and remote moral issue is MS use the money I fed them to wreck havoc on the world. I think you just proved Patrick's point. By continuing to pay money to MS, you are in part responsible for the use to which you know they put that money - which is to continue to lock users inside an MS ecosystem to the maximum extent possible. Software patents and restricted copy and use rights deprive users of freedom. Users may not be aware of this lost freedom, but that doesn't mean it's valueless. if we loose track of the ball and even start to believe that freedom is a moral issue. You think freedom is not a moral issue? Sorry, but freedom is the epitome of a moral issue. Rights, responsibilities, privileges, power, choice, liberty, coercion and contract are all important issues in the world of software and the Internet as they are in the physical world. We're developing new things pretty rapidly and it is important for future generations that we get the governance model right; we don't want to end up with the Internet equivalent of a theocracy or feudal system. Certainly if you try to argue with the PM linux for every kid because Windoze is immoral you are going to find your self ignored. umm who says you have to tell them that, just because it's a moral issue doesn't mean you have to argue it as a moral issue, that is a process of discovery, first let them discover what linux (or other FOSS stuff) can do for them, emphasising the fun and usefulness of it, then as time goes by the freedom, chances are they'll catch on to the philosophical issues by themselves or not depending on their temperament shheees some people have no Idea how to put across there point ;) :P If that was a once-only argument you may be right, but it takes time to raise awareness and a lot of effort to explain why putting yourself, say, at the mercy of Microsoft's or some other company's EULA is ultimately harmful. While this thread drifts OT the basic issue is tremendously important for us as a group. So ... back to the important questions of whether Android or IOS runs more apps? Nick. -- .~. In my life God comes first /V\ but Linux is pretty high after that :-D /( )\Francis (Grizzly) Smit ^^-^^http://www.smit.id.au/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?
On 02/06/12 17:41, Nick Andrew wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 09:34:22AM +0800, James Linder wrote: SNIP While this thread drifts OT the basic issue is tremendously important for us as a group. So ... back to the important questions of whether Android or IOS runs more apps? Nick. I originally asked whether there was any important functionality that Android-based phones lacked compared to the competition, and whether they struggled with any file formats. I then added that this appeared to me to be an issue of available apps and requested confirmation or otherwise of this assumption - the inference I intended was that I assumed that any such issues would not be a function of the operating systems themselves but rather a function of what apps had been written and what they could do. Rather than actually address the questions posters responded with clumsy sarcasm, recast the questions in terms of their pet hobbyhorses and wandered off into moral philosophy. Closest we got was some facts about techniques for extending battery life, which is important and relevant, but I still don't know how Android compares in this area to the competition. Rod -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?
On 6/02/2012 10:44 PM, Rod Butcher wrote: On 02/06/12 17:41, Nick Andrew wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 09:34:22AM +0800, James Linder wrote: SNIP While this thread drifts OT the basic issue is tremendously important for us as a group. So ... back to the important questions of whether Android or IOS runs more apps? Nick. I originally asked whether there was any important functionality that Android-based phones lacked compared to the competition, and whether they struggled with any file formats. I then added that this appeared to me to be an issue of available apps and requested confirmation or otherwise of this assumption - the inference I intended was that I assumed that any such issues would not be a function of the operating systems themselves but rather a function of what apps had been written and what they could do. Rather than actually address the questions posters responded with clumsy sarcasm, recast the questions in terms of their pet hobbyhorses and wandered off into moral philosophy. Closest we got was some facts about techniques for extending battery life, which is important and relevant, but I still don't know how Android compares in this area to the competition. Rod For a very subjective response to this, I would quote Steve Wozniak (remember him - Steve Jobs' partner?): 'My primary phone is the iPhone, I love the beauty of it. But I wish it did all the things my Android does, I really do.' My Android phone has a lot of techy aps on it, to allow me to ssh into the server or RDP into a Windoze box, run DNS reverse lookups, traceroutes pings, telnet, wireless network analyses, etc - all of which are invaluable for troubleshooting customer's network problems. And all of these aps are free (even if they are not OSS). I haven't checked the availability of these on the iPhone, as none of my techy friends have iPhones; however, I have heard that the Apple Ap Store has far fewer free aps than the Android market. For what it's worth. Regards, Edwin Humphries attachment: edwinh.vcf-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Sorry, meant to send to the list -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Voytek Eymont li...@sbt.net.au wrote: While this thread drifts OT the basic issue is tremendously important for us as a group. So ... back to the important questions of whether Android or IOS runs more apps? Who cares as long as it can do whatever it is that you want to do? I don't, many do. Makes good stars,I guess. -- Swyped from my Motrix with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?
On 07/02/12 09:25, Edwin Humphries wrote: On 6/02/2012 10:44 PM, Rod Butcher wrote: On 02/06/12 17:41, Nick Andrew wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 09:34:22AM +0800, James Linder wrote: SNIP While this thread drifts OT the basic issue is tremendously important for us as a group. So ... back to the important questions of whether Android or IOS runs more apps? Nick. I originally asked whether there was any important functionality that Android-based phones lacked compared to the competition, and whether they struggled with any file formats. I then added that this appeared to me to be an issue of available apps and requested confirmation or otherwise of this assumption - the inference I intended was that I assumed that any such issues would not be a function of the operating systems themselves but rather a function of what apps had been written and what they could do. Rather than actually address the questions posters responded with clumsy sarcasm, recast the questions in terms of their pet hobbyhorses and wandered off into moral philosophy. Closest we got was some facts about techniques for extending battery life, which is important and relevant, but I still don't know how Android compares in this area to the competition. Rod For a very subjective response to this, I would quote Steve Wozniak (remember him - Steve Jobs' partner?): 'My primary phone is the iPhone, I love the beauty of it. But I wish it did all the things my Android does, I really do.' My Android phone has a lot of techy aps on it, to allow me to ssh into the server or RDP into a Windoze box, run DNS reverse lookups, traceroutes pings, telnet, wireless network analyses, etc - all of which are invaluable for troubleshooting customer's network problems. And all of these aps are free (even if they are not OSS). I haven't checked the availability of these on the iPhone, as none of my techy friends have iPhones; however, I have heard that the Apple Ap Store has far fewer free aps than the Android market. For what it's worth. Regards, Edwin Humphries My wife has an iphone on which I installed the best ftp app - haha - which turned out to be extremely limited. Maybe I didn't try hard enough but it seemed to assume that all I could possibly want to ftp were videos and photos. I get the impression that iphones are fantastic (seriously) if you are happy to follow the iphone rules, but not so useful if you want to do your own thing. Just an impression. Personally I use a cast-off Blackberry which I find to be relatively useless except for making phone calls. Once again, perhaps I don't try hard enough. My fingers are way too clumsy for smart phones anyway. -- David McQuire 0418 310312 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?
. Closest we got was some facts about techniques for extending battery life, which is important and relevant, but I still don't know how Android compares in this area to the competition. I think it's extremely hard to assess, or find a reliable and trustworthy data. Every time I try, things go'wrong', people call for long time, exceeding my desired situation, etc, etc, etc. To add to my woes,I'm now updating the OS weekly, on top of OS, I'm loading overclock kernels, etc etc, etc. All I can day,I definitely get a better battery life than I used to, with the updates to the system. (and, I'm not doing it add I must do out, I'm doing it as a learning thing for me) Swyped from my Motrix with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?
Voytek Eymont li...@sbt.net.au wrote: . (and, I'm not doing it add I must do out, I'm doing it as a learning thing for me) And clearly I haven't mastered Swype as well as I should, judging by some of the auto corrections above. -- Swyped from my Motrix with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
