Re: [SLUG] Suggestions please
+1 to that. On 08/12/11 00:16, Heracles wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Have you tried PCLinuxOS. It is a fairly small distro but easy to configure. Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
I'm very happy with Mint. And you can get Mint Debian now if you want to shake the dust of Ubuntu off for ever. AND it's green. But I gather the new Kubuntu is pretty good too. Jon. On 19/10/11 14:37, gonzo01 wrote: Just use Linux Mint 11 -- http://www.webindexing.biz -- http://learnubuntu.com.au Indexing * Proofreading * Software consultancy and training * Linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mounting a shared folder from one Mint PC on another Mint PC
Thanks for all the responses. I ended up taking Mint off the server and using Windows XP, mainly because there is no Linux driver for one of my printers (a Samsung CLP-325). I did try and get around that by having VirtualBox start up and load virtualised Windows XP when the server was switched on, but it all got too complicated and we had reliability problems. I should point out, though, that the problem was not communicating with the server, but actually mounting a share from the server in a directory on my main PC -- and I needed to do that in order to run Lucky Backup. I've commented before about what seems to me to be the unnecessary grief caused by a massive over-proliferation of printer (and other) drivers. I've yet to see why fifty different printers all performing the same basic functions should require fifty-plus different and incompatible sets of software to run them. And I can't help thinking that Linux would benefit from something like the Windows Network Setup Wizard and the Tools/Map Network Drive option in the Windows Explorer -- both of which have been around for well over ten years now. But thanks again, and I will try some of the suggestions if and when a suitable printer driver becomes available. Jon. On 22/09/11 19:34, Jeremy Visser wrote: On 22/09/2011, at 1:08 PM, James Linder wrote: 2) Use nautilus to 'connect to remote server' Even fewer keystrokes, in Nautilus hit ^L (or anywhere in GNOME, hit Alt+F2 instead), and type 'ssh://yourserver.local'. GNOME even makes the remote filesystem available to command-line apps via ~/.gvfs. So much easier than sshfs for day-to-day use. -- http://www.webindexing.biz -- http://learnubuntu.com.au Indexing * Proofreading * Software consultancy and training * Linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mounting a shared folder from one Mint PC on another Mint PC
The operative word seems to be 'should'. Not only does the driver fail to install, but the installation process crashes the system -- quite an achievement on a Linux box. Jon. On 23/09/11 09:12, pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: There is a driver for that printer on the Samsung site that should just plug into Cups. http://www.samsung.com/us/support/downloads/CLP-325/XAA Peter C -- http://www.webindexing.biz -- http://learnubuntu.com.au Indexing * Proofreading * Software consultancy and training * Linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Mounting a shared folder from one Mint PC on another Mint PC
I recently set up a new CPU with Mint 11 to function as a printer and backup server. It's on the LAN as 10.0.0.31 and I can access it with no difficulties via Remote Desktop and through Nautilus with File/Connect to Server. I would like it to mount some of its directories as devices on my main (also Mint 11) PC, but I can't get that to happen. I have made the folders on the server shared using Nautilus. Again, there is no trouble accessing them via Connect to Server. I'm assuming that I need a line in my /etc/fstab file, but what? I went through all this before with a shared folder on a Windows PC, and I finally got it working as follows: //10.0.0.3/Underhouse /media/Underhouse cifs noauto,iocharset=utf8,username=xxx,password=yyy,uid=1000 0 0 This makes the Windows share appear as a volume under the Computer icon in Nautilus and of course means I can access it via the folder media/Underhouse. I've tried the following with various combinations of filesystems, passwords and user names, but although mount doesn't object to it, it doesn't seem to make anything happen. //10.0.0.31/Linux /media/JonXHDD cifs noauto,iocharset=utf8,,,uid=1000 0 0 And yes, /media/JonXHDD does exist. The only help I can find with Google is horrendously complicated. Can anyone provide a simple solution or point me to a straightforward set of instructions? It might help to know that I can't get the Windows Network icon in Nautilus/Network to open either: it just comes up with 'Failed to retrieve share list from server' Thanks, Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Multifunction printers vs dedicated sheet-feed scanners?
This is not really on-topic, but I've Googled it with no success, so I'm hoping the collective wisdom can either come up with a response or tell me where to look for one. I'm currently converting my paper book collection to eBooks by chopping them up and running them through a scanner with an automatic document feeder. Up till now I have been using a cheap multifunction printer which does the job reasonably well. But either the printer feed mechanism is getting worn out, or I'm getting on to books with a different quality of paper in, because lately the proportion of pages that need rescanning has risen from under 5% to about 25%. My question is this: given that my printer cost $79, and a dedicated sheet-feed scanner costs $400 and up, am I going to get a better success rate if I purchase one of those rather than just buying a new cheap printer? The price difference leads me to believe I will, but I can't find any comparisons on the web between scanning success rates for multifunction printers and dedicated scanners. Is there any difference in the actual mechanics, and if so what? It's a long time since I worked in an office. Is there anyone out there familiar enough with these devices to provide an answer, or tell me where to find one? For the record, the printer has already scanned well over 8000 pages. Thanks in advance, Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Multifunction printers vs dedicated sheet-feed scanners?
I'll try that, thanks. I'm mainly just curious as to what the extra $300 for a dedicated scanner is supposed to buy. Is it a case of paying more for less? Jon. On 06/09/11 09:39, David Lyon wrote: I have a client that runs really old printers. HP1300's, HP1100's and even older. Keep in mind that these things are just (electro)-mechanical devices. Lubrication gets dry after a while. Most of the materials in these devices are usually excellent quality. The metal or nylon doesn't usually wear out. Screwdriver, vacuum-cleaner in reverse (blow out the dust and dirt) and some lubricating spray, and you have a good chance that you can keep your device going for another year, two, three or four. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hacked email
there was a lot of it going on. I pointed out that there is a lot of speeding going on too, but I still get booked if I speed. Somehow the point didn't seem to sink in. Thats because suckers like us will pay the fine without questioning it. I'm getting the impression that authorities think that internet crime is not real crime and it's a bit too hard. With some simple co-operation these guys could easily have been nabbed. You can be sure it's not the only time they've done it. Authorities don't care about anyting unless it means more power or money for them. Get a crying single mother on national TV at the eve of and election and watch the response. These people are (could be) across boarders which to us means nothing, but to a beaurocrat is another universe. Don't forget it wasn't until ust a few years ago that electronic records were actually admissable evidence in court It's crap I know, maybe we at SLUG could rally with the other Aussie Lugs and start a petition or lobby the Government to fix this and I don't know... Govern. jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Subscription-based netfiltering (parentally speaking)
I believe the main motive for keeping 'adult' material away from children is to try and prevent them from embarrassing their parents with questions like: Daddy, what does it mean when two people do THIS? Jon. Being 18 doesn't have much to do with it either. That's a very arbitrary line drawn in very variable sand. I've never noticed that children are all that innocent - at least my 5 weren't. Mostly the protection is there to make adults feel better when the real protection comes from 24/7 multi-decade parenting. -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Experimental Live video streaming
Hi Patrick, Unfortunately I was at my parents that night and their computer was in pieces, and then when I got it back together again, priority went to my one year old for her missed episode of waybaloo - the price I pay for a peacful dinner, sigh... That's exactly why I have a multiseat at home. I will hopefully be able to catch it next time. cheers Jon On Tuesday 31 May 2011 11:18:30 elliott-brennan wrote: Hi John and Hannah, Please let us know what it's like on the 'other end' of the process :)) We're hoping to create greater opportunities for people to participate through watching the video streams and commenting/asking questions via IRC or Twitter. We're also trying to increase general interest by having a greater range of subjects presented at each night, some topics spread out over a few meetings and then follow-ups on topics, a la Rob Smit's presentations on IPV6. Added to this, we want to encourage more people to present so we can increase the sense of community participation and ownership of the LUG. We're also hoping to have more remote video conferencing presentations similar to Jeff Waugh's earlier in the year. Tim A. and James P. are doing a huge amount of work to make this all come together and deserve an enormous amount of praise for their efforts. Regards, Patrick Re: [SLUG] Experimental Live video streaming from Jon and Hannah jnhhum...@gmail.com Thu, 26 May 2011 19:48:19 +1000 Tim, This is an awesome idea! I've wanted to go to a Slug meeting for ages now, but have never had the time! I should be able to get to computer though! cheers Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
I have never experienced a seamless upgrade of any Ubuntu distribution, so I second the recommendation to do a full backup before attempting the upgrade. I recently upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04. It was the smoothest upgrade I've ever had with Ubuntu, or windows for that matter. Only Issue I had was something funny with the task manager causing it to flash - very anoying. Solved by a partial profile reset, wihich solved a heap of other niggles as well. Even my multiseat kept working. Oh and one of my DVB tuners dropped out of existance, but another one came back, why can I only get 2 out of 3 working? What are you backing up? anything that you can't afford to loose over an upgrade should have already been backed up! cheers Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Experimental Live video streaming from SLUG tomorrow!
Tim, This is an awesome idea! I've wanted to go to a Slug meeting for ages now, but have never had the time! I should be able to get to computer though! cheers Jon On Thu, 26 May 2011 10:01:56 am Tim Ansell wrote: Hello everyone, I'm currently trying to set up live video streaming for events held at Google like FP-Syd, SLUG and SyPy. Tomorrow at SLUG we are going to try a second round of testing. There is no guarantee that it will work at all, so please don't rely on the stream but if your bored and want to help out, please do join in! If you would like to participate in the trial, please go to the following URL from 6pm onwards; http://tims-video.appspot.com/slug As a backup the following JustinTV channel should also be transmitting the same stream, please use the primary video channel to help with testing. http://www.justin.tv/mithro1 The system has twitter and IRC integration, so tweet with the #sydlughttp://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23sydlughashtag, and join the irc://irc.freenode.org/#slug IRC channel. Tim 'mithro' Ansell -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] MythTv Setup
HI Jeremy, Yes Myth detects the card correctly. I am using EIT also. What part of it would be usign UDP, isn't that for entwork traffic not TV? Following previous peoples instructions, I'm no recieving the following error on import of channels.conf Programmer Error: Failed to heandle tune complete. Then nothing happens. cheers Jon On Wed, 4 May 2011 08:07:08 am Jeremy Visser wrote: Jon and Hannah said: I've used scan (dvbscan) to generate channels.conf which has everything in it, but I can't for the life of me work out how to get myth to read that and use that as its channel list. I've tried google, and it just says import channels.conf - well how? Why didn’t you try adding the frequency and other misc data for one of the channels manually into MythTV? I’m suspicious about MythTV being bad at scanning — it indicates to me there is perhaps another problem going on. Myth itself is rubish at scanning for channels, and doesn't find any. Does MythTV detect the capture card at all? Don’t forget there are a number of selections, some of which tell it to wait idly around for UDP traffic. So even if the DVB card is working fine, it may not be selected properly in MythTV (it’s what got me back in the day). -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] MythTv Setup
Hi All, I'm trying to set up myth tv on my ubunut box and it is doing my head in. Myth itself is rubish at scanning for channels, and doesn't find any. I've used scan (dvbscan) to generate channels.conf which has everything in it, but I can't for the life of me work out how to get myth to read that and use that as its channel list. I've tried google, and it just says import channels.conf - well how? thanks Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Virus Scanner
On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 09:36:07 pm you wrote: I think it is going to come back and bite the Linux community if we go via the line that we are immune to viruses, like Apple users have done for many years. Wasn't there a virus for unix systems a few years ago that slowed almost the entire internet to an almost halt? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Linux for Seniors
Most of the major distros have on-line forums, although the quality varies. There is some overlap -- so for instance the Ubuntu forum can be useful for Mint users, and vice versa. There is also the Usenet newsgroup system, if you have the patience to wade through the flames and the spam. I offer hands-on introductory Linux training and consultancy on a commercial basis, but so far clients have failed to appear. If there is a market out there I have missed it somehow. Jon. On 14/03/11 16:06, Del wrote: Geoffrey Cowling wrote: ... Although I feel your pain, the Sydney / Australian Linux community doesn't actually have a responsibility to offer unlimited free support to people learning Linux, whether seniors or not. I wonder, though, if there is a place for an on-line forum of sorts where new people can ask questions and get answers from a knowledgeable pool of experts, who have agreed to give of their own time to answer those questions in some kind of roster arrangement. I'd certainly be happy to contribute to that in some way or form. -- http://www.webindexing.biz -- http://learnubuntu.com.au Indexing * Proofreading * Software consultancy and training * Linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Capturing high school graduates for Linux?
Last night I went to an information evening at my daughter's high school about the new laptops which students are to be given. This is the third year of the initiative and details of the current batch of laptops can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/4zdzuyx . They have the usual complement of Microsoft and Adobe software, which cannot be removed or bypassed. And the promotional video is hilarious. What made me sit up and listen, though, was the announcement that when students leave school they get to keep the laptop, but all the software is wiped including the OS. It occurred to me that this is a great opportunity for Linux. If we can get a message to Year 12 students early in the year telling them that open source software is available for free to replace Windows and their wiped Microsoft and Adobe applications, then a fair proportion of them might be willing to give it a try. The laptops don't have CD drives, so the software would have to be distributed on bootable USB sticks or SD cards. Maybe we could even give them away. I don't have any contact with high schools other than having a daughter at one, so other people may have a better idea how to go about this. Maybe somebody already is. (Is there a Year 12 mailing list?) By my calculations the first cohort to receive laptops should be finishing Year 12 about halfway through 2012. Of course this assumes that policies will continue in their current state. Jon. - Indexing * Proofreading * Software consultancy and training * Linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 10.4 desktop freezes
Hi,
Have you:
Run a disk check (fsck?) and checked the SMART status of your drives?
Run a RAM check - using the ful live CD, you can run that for a few hours and
tell you if your RAM is ok.
The above two have given me the same problem in the past.
The current thing giving me that problem is a rubbish graphics card, which I
notice getting to 98degC and has caused the computer to lock up, and the
screen to go blank. It replaced another rubbish grphics card which did the
same thing, but the screen remained visible, just didn't change.
cheers
Jon
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:44:17 pm you wrote:
I have a problem with an Ubuntu 10.4 desktop.
It regularly ends up unresposive, with a blank screen, often after being
left alone for a while, a few hours or overnight. But can happen while
using machine, where it just stops being able to respond to mouse or
keyboard with no recovery.
No response to keyboard or mouse.
[ctl] [alt] [backspace] has no effect.
Only able to recover by hard shutdown.
I initially thought it might be firefox so shut that down when I left
the machine, it still happened.
I removed some backup software that I no longer used incase I had
misconfigured it as at times I got a message on booting that /etc was
full and had a memory of /etc being the default place for creating some
backups. df did not show /etc was full. Still happens.
Reinstalled /, (have separate /home partition), still happens.
Output of dmesg after a restart contains many repeats of below sequence,
as does dmesg command output done at other times.
Is this a clue to something?
Are their other places that I should be looking?
[11017.517434] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[11017.517446] ata1: soft resetting link
[11017.868242] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[11017.868268] ata1: EH complete
[12817.481237] ata1: drained 32768 bytes to clear DRQ.
[12817.516675] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6
frozen
[12817.516681] ata1.00: failed command: SMART
[12817.516689] ata1.00: cmd b0/d1:01:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 tag 0
pio 512 in
[12817.516690] res 58/00:00:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask
0x2 (HSM violation)
[12817.516694] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[12817.516705] ata1: soft resetting link
[12817.864267] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[12817.864297] ata1: EH complete
[14617.476629] ata1: drained 32768 bytes to clear DRQ.
[14617.512669] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6
frozen
[14617.512676] ata1.00: failed command: SMART
[14617.512684] ata1.00: cmd b0/d1:01:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 tag 0
pio 512 in
[14617.512685] res 58/00:00:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask
0x2 (HSM violation)
[14617.512690] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[14617.512700] ata1: soft resetting link
[14617.860228] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[14617.860246] ata1: EH complete
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[SLUG] 1066MHz DDR2 Ram
Hi All, Does anyone know where I can get some good quality 1066 DDR2 ram? All I can find is the 800MHz stuff. It also needs to be a matched pair so I can gang them. I currently have a 2G pair and want to upgrade it to a 4G pair. Oh, and yes, it is DDR2, NOT DDR3. Thanks Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A Toshiba Computer.
I have installed variants of 64-bit Ubuntu (Mint and Kubuntu) on Acer laptops with no major issues -- it was much easier than trying to get them to run under Windows XP. The main problems I have had are related to screen brightness -- which changes randomly with the setting key -- and wi-fi connections. I've never heard of Toshset, though -- what distros does it work with? I would suggest getting live CDs for the most popular distros, and trying each in turn until you get one that recognises all the hardware and seems to suit your requirements. (Use a cable network connection while that's happening, if you can.) Then install that one. I would try Mint first, but that's just my opinion. Jon. On 29/12/10 15:16, wbenn...@turing.une.edu.au wrote: So, I bought a new computer at the (ahem) Boxing Day Sales. It's a Toshiba and I'd like some advice on (a) heaving the (obligatory) Windows out of the system and (b) installing the latest Ubuntu. [I'm surprised at the reaction of some people on learning of my intentions. Some regard me as a mindless iconoclast (don't mind that), others give me a penny lecture on the superiority of Microsoft over everything (do mind that).] So:--- 1) Have never considered the 64-bit version of Ubuntu. Are there any caveats? 2) There's a TV tuner in it (didn't ask for it, but it came anyhow). Will wiping Windows and installing Ubuntu affect this? 3) Whilst trolling the Web, came across mention of a Toshset package, installation of which causes all Toshiba-related Ubuntu problems to evaporate. It's the result of someone reverse-engineering some Toshiba interfaces. Has anyone heard of Toshset? Any help etc. William Bennett. -- http://www.webindexing.biz -- http://learnubuntu.com.au Indexing * Proofreading * Software consultancy and training * Linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Is Windows XP much faster under hardware virtualization?
I'm currently running Windows XP for work in VirtualBox under Mint, and it is usable but sluggish. I'm in the market for a new PC and one of the options is to get one with hardware-assisted virtualization. Can anyone comment from personal experience on whether this will make a) a spectacular difference; b) a moderate difference; c) no difference at all to the speed of virtualized XP? Are there different types or levels of hardware virtualization available off the shelf, or it is one-size-fits-all? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware-assisted_virtualization Thanks, Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Compressing BIG PDF files with bash or Python (or PHP, or...)?
OK, I've Googled this one till my brain hurts and got nothing... time to seek the higher wisdom. I get large PDF files from publishers to index, which I do by running them through a few bash scripts and then working with the printed output. I have found a way to do everything via bash, but lately the file sizes are getting bigger and bigger (the latest was over 500Mb!) and it takes forever to open and print these -- not to mention paging through them if I need to find something. The images are of no use to me, so an easy way to compress the files would be to eliminate the images, but as far as I can tell there is no simple way to remove all the images at once from a PDF file, while keeping the text and page layout. Have I missed something obvious, or is this really the case? If so, [insert profane expression of incredulity here]! The second-best option is to reduce the quality of the images to a bare minimum, but so far the only way I can find to do this is to use a Windows system, open the file in Adobe Acrobat, go to the Print dialog, change the settings and print the whole thing to another PDF file with minimal image quality. It's a pain and it takes forever. Any ideas? There are various suggestions on the web about using ghostscript, imagemagick, ps2ps and so on but all they seem to do is make the resulting file larger instead of smaller. I'm doing this quite often, so a bash script would be useful. I can also probably make sense of Python, but anything beyond that might be a stretch. Thanks in advance, Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Compressing BIG PDF files with bash or Python (or PHP, or...)?
I need the page numbers and the formats (italic, etc) for indexing. The only dispensable part is the images. Jon. On 14/10/10 12:11, pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: If you only want the text you can convert the PDF to plain ASCII using pdftotext from the poppler-utils suite. PeterC -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] live distro for Acer netbook?
The main obstacle is WiFi, but I believe the Acer netbooks have a similar WiFi setup to the Asus eee, in which case Fedora 13 should do the trick. There is also a netbook version of Puppy Linux that I was able to activate WiFi with. Ubuntu 10.4 and Mint would not recognise the wireless card on my Asus eee 1005 despite my following several sets of complicated instructions. Nor would several other distros -- I seem to remember Moblin was one of them. If you use Windows on the netbook to download and install LinuxLive USB Creator, that makes it much easier to create and trial bootable USB sticks or cards -- http://www.linuxliveusb.com. Jon. On 05/10/10 08:18, Voytek Eymont wrote: a daughter of a friend asked me if it's possible to run applications from a USB memory stick; I asked her what was it that she wants to run, she told me 'cygwin, to run some c code' I said 'why don't you boot your Acer netbook from a Linux on SD media now what is asking what Linux should she get ? so, what distro should I suggest for a uni student to 'run some c code' on an Acer netbook ? I did a brief search, came across Moblin, is that a good choice ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Disappearing Title Bar
In Mint my desktop theme settings occasionally revert to the default theme on booting. (The keyboard sound-player controls cease to function at the same time, otherwise I probably wouldn't notice it.) The quickest solution I found was to put a link to the Appearance control in the panel. Just clicking on this and bringing up the Appearance dialog fixes the problem -- I don't even have to select a theme. This might do the trick. But it hasn't happened to me for a while -- something to do with switching to Banshee from Rhythmbox? Jon. On 01/10/10 22:46, John Clarke wrote: On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 11:12:45AM +1000, Heracles wrote: The title bar on the windows that open within gnome sometimes go away. I used to get that quite often in older Ubuntu releases on my old laptop running compiz and emerald, and it was caused by emerald crashing. Very easy to fix, just run emerald --replace and your title bars will reappear. If you're not running emerald, then try restarting whichever window decorator you're using. Cheers, John -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Accounting and business software
There's also a newish one available online which is free for up to 20 transactions per month: http://www.saasu.com/ Jon. On 22/09/10 12:13, elliott-brennan wrote: Hi all, I haven't written back to everyone individually just yet, but wanted to send a general 'Thanks' first to everyone for the suggestions I've received. I'm just checking them out at the moment to see what they're like. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] www krap
I'm very happy with Digital Mountain: http://digitalmountain.com.au/ On 21/09/10 12:39, Ben Donohue wrote: They answer the phone. They speak English. They are techo's that know their stuff. They will help you on the spot. They know Linux etc. Their prices are good. I have no affiliation with them other than being a customer. Likewise. Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Accounting and business software
Hi Patrick, For general accounting I use WXBanker. I've also used KMyMoney and Grisbi, which are both OK, but WXBanker is a bit simpler. You will also probably need an invoicing package, and as far as I can tell there are no good simple user-friendly invoicing packages for Linux yet. (If anyone knows of one please tell me.) I have trialled several packages including one with an SQL database and a PHP interface via a web page, but it was very cumbersome and non-portable. I now use an old shareware package from Windows called Instant Invoice. Unfortunately it is no longer available in that form, but you can buy their combined invoice and cashbook package from http://www.instantinvoice.net/ A free 30-day trial is available. I had some troubles with Instant Invoice in earlier versions but under Wine with Ubuntu 10.4/Mint 9 it's been bulletproof. Regards, Jon. On 19/09/10 23:59, elliott-brennan wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for some recommendations in relation to accounts and client management software. My wife is a Clin Psych. She'd like to keep track of her money (obviously :)) and to be able to work out who has paid and who owes money, as well as the monies she has paid to others, print out accounts to be paid (by others to her) and so on. The sort of small business stuff people usually have to do. Can anyone recommend software they think would fit the bill. We're presently running Kubuntu 9.10 (and better :)) Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A distro which recognises Wi-fi on Asus eee 1005p? -- thanks for suggestions
To me the issue goes somewhat deeper: from my limited perspective as a hardware novice, I just can't see why different drivers are even necessary. As far as I can tell one wi-fi card does exactly the same things as any other wi-fi card: is is too much to ask that the hardware should be constructed so that it works with old software which is already out there and functioning perfectly well? I accept that when there are technological breakthroughs the drivers need to change; but what we seem to have at the moment is a rerun of the old Apple/Apricot/Microbee/Commodore/Amiga hardware wars with each (wi-fi card, scanner, printer...) manufacturer refusing to run software -- i.e. drivers -- just because it was made for a different piece of hardware. Surely making a new piece of hardware that will fit into an existing system should be the responsibility of the hardware manufacturer, not the user OR the operating system manufacturer. Isn't it a bit like the printer manufacturers trying to stop you using generic ink by sneaking microchips into their cartridges? Jon. *nod* The real problem is not that Linux is hard to install: Windows is just as damn hard, and just as painful, for non-technical users.[1] The problem is that when you buy your machine it comes with Windows installed for you, by someone else, and you don't have to worry about it. Daniel Footnotes: [1] Heck, it sucks for technical folks too, a lot of the time. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A distro which recognises Wi-fi on Asus eee 1005p? -- thanks for suggestions
Puppeee did the trick! The eee 1005p is now talking to the world in Linux via wireless. Thanks, Kenneth! Jon. On 09/08/10 11:51, Kenneth Caldwell wrote: You might also investigate Puppeee-1.0 released on August 7th. http://puppylinux.org/news/releases/puppeee-10-for-the-eee-is-released/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A distro which recognises Wi-fi on Asus eee 1005p? -- thanks for suggestions
Thanks for all the suggestions on this. So far I have tried the backport method in Ubuntu 10.04 and 9.10 without success, and ndiswrapper likewise. I've also been able to get Mint 9 and Moblin 2 running, but with no wireless. Other distros have failed to boot. I am now holding out for the new Ubuntu NBR in October. Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] A distro which recognises Wi-fi on Asus eee 1005p?
I'm trying to get Linux running from an SD card boot on an Asus eee 1005p but every distro I have tried so far fails to recognise the Wi-Fi (Atheros). Wired connections are working. Does anyone know of a distro which recognises wireless out of the box on this specific model or, failing that, a reliable set of instructions to get one working? Thanks in advance, Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A distro which recognises Wi-fi on Asus eee 1005p?
Under Windows it can be turned on or off with Fn-F2, and it's always on after booting. I don't know any other way. The output from lspci -v tells me it's an Atheros Communications Inc Device 002c (revo 01) Subsystem: Device 1a3b:1112 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 Memory at fbff000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K] Capabilities: access denied iwconfig shows no wireless extensions on lo or eth0. Hopefully this means more to some of you than it does to me. The next step is to try ndiswrapper, I guess. Jon. On 05/08/10 08:12, Kevin Shackleton wrote: Silly question - is the wifi turned on ?! I'm using eeebuntu and everything works (on an older model). Cheers, Kevin. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Discussion about SLUG meetings and format
On 03/08/10 21:09, elliott-brennan wrote: If we were to have moving times/dates I know that it would be a rare meeting I would get to. What he said. But maybe a formal meeting every two months and an informal meeting in the alternate months. and a wife who has late clients So she's an undertaker? Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Reply-to address on SLUG posts
I'm still not convinced. The fact that millions of people using thousands of lists manage to cope successfully with Reply-to-list indicates that it can't be TOO harmful. I have never used Elm and never want to (though on reflection. I may have flirted with it back in 1979 or thereabouts). And the risk of sending one very occasional private message to the list is more than offset by the inconvenience of having to stop and think each time I DO want to send a message to the list. If the SLUG list dealt with sensitive and personal material then I might be swayed. But I've seen nothing posted there so far that my reply to couldn't be broadcast to my mother or Senator Conroy with total impunity. I see the decision as analogous to deciding to drive on the right side of the road when everyone else is driving on the left. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, but it causes a lot of inconvenience. To me, anyway. Jon. On 29/07/10 18:48, Chris Deigan wrote: On 27/07/2010, at 2:08 PM, Jon Jermey wrote: I've been caught by that a few times, mainly because this is the only mailing list I currently subscribe to (out of a dozen or so) that doesn't automatically set the reply-to address to the list. I have a vague memory of this issue being raised before, and I'm sure there were good reasons given why that was the case. But I still find it really annoying. Is there any support for a re-think on this? http://www.slug.org.au/mailinglists.html#q9 -Chris.-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Reply-to address on SLUG posts
I've been caught by that a few times, mainly because this is the only mailing list I currently subscribe to (out of a dozen or so) that doesn't automatically set the reply-to address to the list. I have a vague memory of this issue being raised before, and I'm sure there were good reasons given why that was the case. But I still find it really annoying. Is there any support for a re-think on this? Jon. On 27/07/10 13:42, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Note: I am subscribed to the list and I set my reply-to to point to the list. Please don't CC me as well. elliott-brennan wrote: -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple web authoring tools?
There are also several platform-neutral CMS systems which will give her a much greater payoff from the effort involved than creating individual pages. I don't know if I would let a seven-year-old loose with Joomla, but if you turned off all the options and kept it as simple as possible... Discussion here: http://www.webmasterworld.com/content_management/3767598.htm And there's actually a Kids' Joomla at http://joomlacode.org/gf/project/jkids/frs but I've never used it or seen it in use as far as I know. Jon. On Monday, July 26, 2010, Erik de Castro Lopo mle+s...@mega-nerd.com wrote: Hi all, While I'm happy to create web pages in a text editor, my 7 year old daughter has expressed an interest in creating some web pages so I'm looking for a nice simple tool (on Linux of course). There seem to be a number of them like Amaya and Bluefish. Does anybody have any direct experience with any of these or others? Cheers, Erik -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Task bar not working
On 22/07/10 21:17, Chris Allen wrote: I am using Ubuntu 10.4 Since yesterday my task bar (@ bottom of Gnome screen) has been unworkable. It is still there but is always black on black. When I minimise a window, I see it shrink and disappear into the task bar but after that I see no trace of it. It almost impossible to recall it again from the task bar. Is there any explanation / fix for this? Chris Allen http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140473 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Fwd: Re: [SLUG] Perl Regular expression help
Perhaps this is the time for me to ask: does anyone know a way for grep or awk to extract from a text file any sequence of up to, say, six words that begins and ends with an initially-capitalised word -- whether or not it is part of a larger matching sequence? So if the input text was: Sally Lee Jones worked for the United Nations Support Team the output would be Sally Lee Lee Jones Sally Lee Jones Jones worked for the United Jones worked for the United Nations United Nations Nations Support Support Team United Nations Support Team I don't particularly care if it takes one pass or several, and I can clean up duplicates afterwards. This is not a serious problem for me -- it falls into the 'would be nice to have' category -- but I've been puzzling over it off and on for a while, and the mention of the word 'greedy' reminded me of it. Jon. On 14/07/10 18:06, Nick Andrew wrote: (aaa...) Where the stuff inside () is what's being matched. The matched part stops at the first or the end of the string. It's greedy so it matches as long a string as possible. Nick. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Old tech. books
Any TAFE or high school that teaches computing would probably be glad of a few props like these for the history section. Jon. On 31/05/10 15:30, Mike Andy wrote: Whilst cleaning up the office the other day I threw out my managers DOS4 manual complete with original 3.5 floppies - He was less than impressed when he found out, at the time I laughed and showed people! (I did keep his 8 inch floppies though cos i thought they were really collectors items) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] SLUG meeting talk on Collection Management
I'll be talking briefly about my transition from Windows to Linux and how I brought across the record-keeping requirements for my home business. The two applications that I want to look at specifically are Tellico and GCStar. I've also brought out a new edition of my Introduction to Linux book 'Bitten by the Penguin', and I'll bring in some copies of that for sale. Jon. -- Australia's leading Ubuntu trainer http://learnubuntu.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suggestions for a monochrome printer.
How much do you value your limbs at? We have a Brother HL-5250DN which we are fairly happy with. The current successor seems to be this: http://www.shopbot.com.au/pp-brother-hl-5340d-price-181171.html which is listed starting at $218. If you already have a laser printer it might be possible to get a duplexing attachment, though I suspect it would cost nearly as much as a new printer anyway. Regards, Jon. On 23/05/10 02:00, wbenn...@turing.une.edu.au wrote: Can anyone suggest a monochrome printer with duplex function that works with Linux, for domestic use? I've been told that, with duplex function, it will cost an arm and a leg. (Actually, if it works satisfactorily, I'll compromise on a leg.) William Bennett. -- Australia's leading Ubuntu trainer http://learnubuntu.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline
I'm happy to give a talk on Inkscape or OpenOffice. There's a couple of other neat applications I'm happy to discuss too. But it would all be very much at an introductory level. That's the reason I suggested an Applications SIG, to try and bring in people who are just switching over from W*ndows and want to go on doing what they've been doing there. Jon. John Ferlito wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 12:10:38PM +1100, meryl wrote: * New and upgraded applications demonstrated and discussed * Distros compared and evaluated * Using Linux with various peripherals -- scanners, printers, tablets, multiple screens * Bash programming techniques -- but keeping it simple * OpenOffice techniques and macros * GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus techniques In addition to the above, (a very good list Jon!) I'd also like to see basic/beginning Python, basic/beginning Rails/Ruby, troubleshooting problems; i.e. using run levels, wireless setup etc... So this is a very good list of talks. But who is going to volunteer to give them? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] SLUG Membership decline
As of March, we have 37 financial members. This represents a decline from 51 members twelve months ago. I suspect that this is merely due to inadequate promotion on our part. A challenge we currently face is presenting a good reason to become a member. Other than voting rights and a warm and fuzzy feeling, the benefit is admittedly minimal. I don't know if this is the place to raise this, but as a new member I can think of two things that might help: 1. Make it possible to obtain and renew membership online -- or even by snailmail -- rather than having to physically attend a meeting (right now, for instance, I'm not a member because I don't get into town when the meetings are on). 2. Take advantage of the increasing interest in Linux on the desktop by setting up an Applications SIG and/or focussing on applications at some events. I'm a great fan of Linux and a full-time user, and I want it to succeed as much as anyone, but my interest in programming is virtually nil. As a home user there's no need for me to know about security, I really don't want to build or fix my own computer, and I spent the first five years of my career in computing getting as far away from the command line as possible. So most of the talks and events scheduled by SLUG hold no interest for me. What would I like to see? For starters: * New and upgraded applications demonstrated and discussed * Distros compared and evaluated * Using Linux with various peripherals -- scanners, printers, tablets, multiple screens * Bash programming techniques -- but keeping it simple * OpenOffice techniques and macros * GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus techniques * Occasional discussions of games and multimedia software * Giveaways? Door prizes of distro DVDs? Free or discounted technical assistance to members? SLUG wallpapers and themes? I don't want to alienate the technical gurus, but I suspect that over the next five years or so there will be increasing numbers of people in the same situation that I am. So if you are looking for ways to promote SLUG, that's my two cents' worth. Right now it all seems very technical and insular. Jon. -- --- Australia's leading Linux applications trainer. http://www.learnubuntu.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Verbatim keyboard special keys
I have a Verbatim keyboard which is about four years old. It has a special key at the top left which 'shifts' the functions of the function keys to some non-standard program-specific settings; e.g. F2 becomes 'New' and F7 becomes 'Spell Check'. When booting into Linux Mint this option is turned on by default, and it's a bloody nuisance. There is also a row of special 'launching' buttons along the top for programs like Word, which could be useful if I could work out and change what they are actually sending. Can anyone with experience of this come up with a way to prevent the shifted settings starting up by default, and/or a key interceptor program which could at least tell me what codes the 'shifted' function keys are sending to the CPU? Thanks, Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] New edition of 'Bitten by the Penguin' available
A new edition of my introductory Linux book, 'Bitten by the Penguin' is now available as a hard copy or for download from Lulu. This book is not intended for Linux experts but may be useful for friends, relatives or colleagues who want to know what all the fuss is about. You can find it at: http://tinyurl.com/yeltr7p Contact me direct for more details. Thanks, Jon Jermey. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Brasero AND K3B both creating coasters :(
One of my drives (an LG) just won't recognise a particular brand of DVD blanks. You could try some other brands of disks and see if that makes a difference. Jon. david wrote: I sent this message a couple of days ago,but I've now installed K3B with the same result. I've got two burners on the computer, one connected by firewire, the other internal (pata?) and it makes no difference which I use. I'm burning a DVD with about 1.2gig of tif and jpg files. Brasero or K3B both proceed to completion. When I insert the DVD, some of the files (images) give this error when double clicked: Error reading from file: Input/output error /var/log/syslog says: Dec 2 16:43:13 david kernel: [539100.828976] attempt to access beyond end of device Dec 2 16:43:13 david kernel: [539100.828982] sr0: rw=0, want=2235260, limit=2097151 Some files have burned correctly and read correctly. The good files are sequential and the dud files are logically at the end of the directory, which I presume means they are physically at the end of the directory. In the meantime, I've successfully burned a very short audio CD using K3B, for what that's worth. I can't find anything on google about this, except some vague suggestion about hardware, but since there are two completely different burners, I didn't think that was likely to be the problem. Any suggestions? thanks David. PS: system is intrepid (by name, not by nature). -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Journalist doesn't like Windows -- must have missed out on the freebies?
In today's SMH, taken from the Guardian: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/better-the-broken-windows-than-life-with-the-mac-monks-20091103-huew.html Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it. Some of the commentators are putting forward a case for Linux. Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Linux course at WEA
I am running an introductory one-day Linux course at WEA in Bathurst Street Sydney on Wednesday the 28th of October. Details at: http://www.weasydney.nsw.edu.au/index.php?action=coursecourse_action=detailcode=94CP114search=1keyword=linux As far as I know this is the first Linux training offered to the general public in Sydney. If you already know anything at all about Linux then this is NOT for you. However, it may be for your partners, parents, children, or anyone else who spends their time wondering just what it is you do all day. Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver clone for Linux ?
Or Joomla! -- www.joomla.org. Jon. Troy Rollo wrote: Plus you should consider setting up Drupal to manage his pages. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Well-known contributors to Ubuntu history
I'm putting together a book about Ubuntu, and I would like to include a list of people who have made the most significant contributions to the development of Ubuntu and Linux in general. I have the usual suspects -- Linus Torvalds, Richard Stallman, Andrew Tanenbaum, Ian Murdock, Mark Shuttleworth -- but after that it's hard to clearly see who stands out. Perhaps some of you who have a longer history with Linux than I do could indicate who really made a difference for you, and why. I want to say something more than 'X is a really great developer' if I can. Pointers to quotes or interviews would be handy too. Thanks in advance, Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Indexing under Linux
I think we have to define what we mean by 'real life' here... Most textbooks and other serious non-fiction books from major publishers which have indexes at all, have them created from scratch by a human with a PC, writing down entries in page number order and then sorting them into alphabetical order. (I'm not talking about in-house computer manuals here.) Unfortunately, due to one of the archaic traditions which infest publishing, the author usually has the financial responsibility to provide an index. Some do it themselves: some do a very good job; some don't. But -- just as a professional artist is called in to design the cover -- many authors will recognise their limitations and call in a professional indexer. There aren't a lot of us -- maybe 50 in Australia doing more than an occasional index. But if you want to get an idea of what we actually do, check out www.anzsi.org. And if anyone's seriously interested in looking at the kind of software we need and use, there are Windows demo versions available from http://www.sky-software.com and http://www.indexres.com Jon. Alan L Tyree wrote: This is really just the LaTeX embedded indexing. One of Jon's earlier posts explained that this is not what real indexers do. I both agree and disagree with Jon. Real indexers do not use embedded systems. Unfortunately, in real life, the real indexer is the author, and most authors use embedded indexing. It is one of the reasons why most indexes are so bad. Embedded indexing is very hard to keep consistent, and most authors know SFA about indexing. I have fooled around a bit with semi-automatic indexing. Instead of trying to do it all automatically, start out with index entries that seem suitable for your book (in other words, steal an index from a similar book). Apply these entries through some form of automatic indexing. The main objection to this is that it is just indexing words. This is true. But, if you look at most real indexes, probably 90% of the the entries _are_ indexing words. Alan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Indexing under Linux
I have been asked by the editor of The Indexer -- the academic journal of indexers worldwide -- to write a brief non-technical piece about indexing under Linux; and by 'indexing' here I mean creating the A-Z indexes found at the backs of books and journals. My impression is that there is currently no specific Linux indexing software and no projects going on to create any, but because of the many meanings of 'index' it's hard to search the Web for this conclusively. Does anyone have any information they would like to share on book indexing software projects specifically for Linux, either free or commercial? Respond directly to me if you don't think others will be interested. I will take silence to mean 'No'. Thanks, Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Indexing under Linux
This is embedded indexing, which can of course also be done in Word and OpenOffice Writer. But very few indexers work this way. What I mean by indexing software is a program into which the indexer can enter a long list of headings and subheadings with page numbers (including ranges), quickly sort them alphabetically, by page number or by order of entry, copy one variant over another, convert a see reference to a double entry, check for overlapping page ranges, cross-references to non-existent entries, duplicate entries, entries with too many page references, etc, etc, and eventually produce a formatted output with a single line for each major heading, indents for subheadings, page numbers sorted into the correct order, etc. This is what indexers actually DO. What we use are, in fact, just glorified database programs, and I don't imagine it would be very hard for someone to kick off an open source software project which could come up with a reasonably good product fairly quickly. But as far as I can tell it hasn't happened yet. Thanks to everyone for their responses, however. Jon. Peter Chubb wrote: While there are no tools for automatic indexing, the tools commonly used for typesetting (LaTeX, troff) come with the ability to create indices. I've found in the past that automatically generated indices are genrally very poor; what the LaTeX (and texinfo and troff mm macro packages, etc.,) do is to allow an author (or human indexer) to insert tags with keywords next to where the subject of the keyword is described; then the tool automatically associates the keyword(s) with a set of pages that can be typeset. It's possible to set up multiple indices (e.g., a separate index for recipes in a cookery book, or people in a history) -- Peter Chubb peter DOT chubb AT nicta.com.au http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au ERTOS within National ICT Australia Kernel Engineering Group (KEG): Where Systems Brew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ann: Training for Opensource TinyErp available in Melbourne Feb 2008
Hello announce, TinyERP is a popular Open Source European ERP/CRM product from Europe. It is written in Python/GTK and uses Postgres at the back-end, and there is also a web interface available. It is easy to customise and suits the SME marketplace well. Previously training was only available in Europe but WillowIT has organised one week of user training and one week of technical training to be held in Melbourne, February 2008. Course fees have been kept as low as possible to ensure the course is accessible to as many people as possible. More details on TinyERP can be found at www.TinyERP.com and course details can be found at www.WillowIT.com.au. I thought this may be of interest to some members. Cheers Jon Wilson 0425 700 106 -- Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering. http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] HELP - need an ISDN card for our fax line
Hello Grant, On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 05:42:04PM +1000, Grant Parnell - EverythingLinux wrote: Been battling with our NetJet ISDN card and whilst it handles everything voice quite well the most I've gotten out of a fax is about 50mm of normal readable page followed by garbage. That's with mISDN, chan_misdn, asterisk, iaxmodem, spandsp and hylafax. I couldn't seem to get capi4hylafax working for it. Traverse tells me not to bother, the current software DSP's just don't work well enough and the card has no DSP. If anyone out there has SOMETHING which we could buy,beg,borrow or steal by Thursday 12th of July 2007 that'll co-exist with our existing ISDN card on the S-bus that can receive faxes I'll be most appreciative of it. Or tell me what to buy ;-) Currently it looks like avmfritz and hfcpci cards might be the go. Unfortunately mISDN is generally a pretty poor quality piece of code, and faxing in general is dodgy under Asterisk. My best suggestion would be to use Bristuff instead of mISDN, and try either of these combos: * Bristuff + Spandsp (no idea if this will compile) * Bristuff + iaxmodem + hylafax Bristuff is a patchset (the author refers to it as a spoon) to Asterisk, Zaptel and Libpri. The advantage is it allows you to access your channels in a Zap-like manner and is much less buggy than mISDN (no bri software is that terrific though imho). Not sure if the netjet even has a driver for Bristuff or not, something to look into obviously. If you want to give Bristuff a go, download the latest version from www.junghanns.net/downloads/ and extract the tarball, inside is a script that grabs the correct copies of Asterisk, Libpri and Zaptel, patches, compiles and installs them. You may need to fiddle around manually to get spandsp in the picture. I have an older Bri card sitting around if you may need it, not sure if it's Bristuff supported though. anyway, hope this helps, worst comes to worst you could divert the isdn line. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] HELP - need an ISDN card for our fax line
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 07:39:31PM +1000, Grant Parnell ELX wrote: On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Jon Teh wrote: Hello Grant, On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 05:42:04PM +1000, Grant Parnell - EverythingLinux wrote: Umm how do I divert just ONE number out of the hundred group on our ISDN line? Telstra say they can't do it - it's ALL or NOTHING. Is there a way to deflect the call to another number (possibly at our cost)? Hello Grant, I think technically it's possible, maybe Telstra just don't want to, or their callcentre staff cannot access this functionality? If you want to get real hackish, you could make any incoming calls for your fax's DID be automatically sent out the other BRI channel to another number, this might work. Unfortunately it would also tie up the entire BRI if you only have one BRI. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Asterisk 1.4 PSTN CLID detection
On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 04:36:30AM +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: I've tried to upgrade from * 1.2 to * 1.4 and have found that my PSTN CLID detection is no longer working. Has anyone had any experience in this field? Howard, In order to try and help you, we probably need a few more details, such as: * Exact version of Asterisk and Zaptel * Card you are using that is experiencing this problem * Whether your configuration has changed in the upgrade * Any errors you have come across, or troubleshooting performed Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OPEN VOIP Sydney
Hey guys, Just wondering who's intending to turn up tonight? Also reviving the topic as a reminder for those who may have forgotten. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] cage bolts
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 06:21:11PM +1100, Del wrote: I'm after some cage nuts and cage bolts for rackmounting. I need them on Monday, so mail ordering them from Perth isn't really an option. Does anyone know of any shops around Sydney that might have them in stock where they can be bought over the counter? Hello Del, Try J R Turk electrical wholesalers. Their North Parramatta branch opens on saturdays, and a little bit on sundays (don't rely on it though). I'm not sure if you'll find cage nuts at Bunnings/etc, but the bolts are easy enough to get, they are simply M6 thread (metric 6mm thread diameter). Alternatively you may have to try computer markets like the one at North Rocks on Sunday, for the cage nuts, if J R Turk fails. Also, if you want to get up early, most electrical wholesalers (J R Turk, TLE, etc) open from 8am on weekdays, for tradespeople. Hope you have some luck finding what you need. :) Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] data recovery specialists?
Hiya, Can anyone recommend any data recovery specialists, preferably in Sydney? We have a several boxes of ten year old DLTIII tapes, but have only been able to read the data we need off about half of them. Thanks, Jon -- Jon Wilson, Sydney, Australia Mob: +61 4 0549 9490, Yahoo: phuq_eu, Skype: jonwilson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] data recovery specialists?
David Kempe wrote: Jon Wilson wrote: Hiya, Can anyone recommend any data recovery specialists, preferably in Sydney? We have a several boxes of ten year old DLTIII tapes, but have only been able to read the data we need off about half of them. Payam have been good for us http://www.payam.com.au/ dave Apparently they don't do tape recovery :-( -- Jon Wilson, Sydney, Australia Mob: +61 4 0549 9490, Yahoo: phuq_eu, Skype: jonwilson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] CleanUp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is directed to the luggers in Sydney (you know who you are !!) The Boss (SWMBO) is making me spend the Australia Day Long Weekend cleaning out my study and binning lots of useful stuff *(useful to me - - she can't see the point in it !). I have a large carton of cables - network cables, modem cables, printer cables, scsi cables, IDE cables, serial cables, PS/2 cables, cables who's purpose I can only guess at If someone can make use of them (there are a few plugpacks, network cards, and other electronic goodies that I have collected), I'd rather see someone take the lot than have to toss them in the bin. Shoot me an email if you';re interested or know anyone who is and we can sort out how you can pick them up. Jon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFuVFehVY3yna1JloRArFAAKDfd0PkZxP39ujT8Z9X4ReXcdcawQCgy5fo O+yzeLu+4Fw3jbWJAv2fVTo= =Eewq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: DIY networking kit at Aldi.
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 10:12:26PM +1100, Ben Buxton wrote: It's in the interpretation of the word installation. Usually, if it's a permanent fixture, with wall places, etc., then it is often interpreted as an installation. When was the last time a home user got a fine for hooking up some cat5 for their (isolated from PSTN) home network? Would the gummit ever bother? Those little ipod FM transmitters are also technically illegal...anyone ever gotten busted? Hmm, prove it, I say. Unless those transmitters exceed the signal strength limitations as dictated by the LIPD Class Licence, they are not illegal. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] asterisk sms?
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 10:13:25PM +1100, Simon Males wrote: I've pondered similar thoughts, but got stuck on the following question to which the search engine oracle wasn't able to assist in: Does asterisk support/integrate with PCI SIM card interfaces? Hello Simon, The answer is yes, to certain PCI interfaces, I assume you are talking about GSM cards that take a SIM card? If not you'll have to clarify :) http://junghanns.net sells GSM PCI cards and also has the Bristuff patch set for download to interface such cards to Asterisk. There are also some cards put out by other manufacturers available too. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] seeking tips on where to park for tonight's meeting
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 01:50:22PM +1000, Billy Govan wrote: Hi all, I plan to attend tonight's SLUG monthly meeting. This will be the first one that I've attended. I'm not familiar with the St Leonards area. Can anyone pass on advise as to where to park the car? Thanks. Hello Billy, There should be plenty of street parking after 6pm on or in the vicinity of Albany Street and Albany Lane in St Leonards. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Has anyone tried Asterisk?
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 11:06:56AM +, Ben Buxton wrote: Kevin Saenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered the following thing: I am looking at using Asterisk for home. I have a VOIP wireless DSL router. Do I have to have any other specific piece of hardware? I would like to have a linux box running Asterisk that will manage all the incoming and out going calls, that way I could also pre-empt the bill I will get charged in the following month. I would like to use my desktops as phones. That means that my PCs (both windows and Linux) and Notebook Pro will need to be able to answer the call and allow us to talk back. Is what I am planning possible? Not a problem at all. The setup for this can be quite involved - your best bet would be going with a dedicated Asterisk distribution such as Trixbox. It will install a Redhat based OS on a machine (wiping everything else!) with all the asterisk goodies you'll need to get started. www.trixbox.org has all the goodies. BB Kevin, what you are asking is very possible with Asterisk, as it is a very flexible system whose behaviour is basically dependant upon how you set up the dialplan. However, where my opinion would differ with Ben is that I would recommend going with standard Asterisk on the distribution your are most comfortable with administering. Trixbox is technically a fork of Asterisk with an included GUI and is aimed at persons unfaimilar with the Linux CLI. It can be a useful tool to learn off in some cases, but unfortunately it masks a lot of the functionality of Asterisk and you will find very little support for it from experienced Asterisk users and VoIP experts. A good starting point for learning Asterisk is the O'Reily book Asterisk: The Future of Telephony which is available for free download at: http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=11 In the next one or two months I hope to give a presentation at SLUG on Asterisk, so keep a look out for that. If you have any troubles with your setup, #asterisk on Freenode IRC is usually a fairly good resource. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Has anyone tried Asterisk?
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 10:18:54PM +1000, Simon Males wrote: I would like to use my desktops as phones. That means that my PCs (both windows and Linux) and Notebook Pro will need to be able to answer the call and allow us to talk back. Is what I am planning possible? Not a problem at all. The setup for this can be quite involved - your best bet would be going with a dedicated Asterisk distribution such as Trixbox. It will install a Redhat based OS on a machine (wiping everything else!) with all the asterisk goodies you'll need to get started. www.trixbox.org has all the goodies. BB Ditto what BB said but using Desktops as phone's is bad. The use of VoIP should be transparent. Get dedicated VoIP handsets or the cheaper option is to get an ATA (Analog Telephone Adapter). Which allows you to use a normal handset. Hello Simon, I'm curious as to why using desktops as telephones is bad? I understand it is unnecesary complication for a lot of non-technical users. But I find I prefer using a desktop with a headset especially for longer phone calls, it is more comfortable than holding a phone to your head for ages. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Has anyone tried Asterisk?
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 01:19:59PM +0930, Glen Turner wrote: Jon Teh wrote: But I find I prefer using a desktop with a headset especially for longer phone calls, it is more comfortable than holding a phone to your head for ages. What I'd like is a PCI card which acts as a DECT base station and can be used by Asterisk. If you know of such a card please mail me. A quick Google search has netter only a couple of results, and what I've seen so far seem to be Windows only equipment. I guess the only non-Windows option for now would be an FXS port plus a DECT base station. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Has anyone tried Asterisk?
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 11:20:53AM +1000, Penedo wrote: On 16/10/06, Jon Teh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious as to why using desktops as telephones is bad? I understand it is unnecesary complication for a lot of non-technical users. But I find I prefer using a desktop with a headset especially for longer phone calls, it is more comfortable than holding a phone to your head for ages. Of course it's a matter for personal preferences but: 1. You can get phones with headsets too (e.g. ones which have a headset socket to attach to their handset), so this can't be a serious advantage for the computer. 2. You can get up and walk over somewhere else in the office to do other stuff while talking (e.g. check something in a cabinet, make a cup of tea). 3. You are not 100% bound to the computer in case you HAVE to take it down or it is otherwise not available while you want to make a call. Personally - I shelled out 130AU$ for an ATA (A Sipura 3000, and I consider myself to be as cheap as you can find) just to be able to talk over an el-cheapo regular wireless phone using VoIP. Penedo, 1. Well I believe the serious advantage there is ~$12 for a headset vs. over $150 for an FXS port plus phone with headset. 2. This is true, but you still need to shell out for a cordless phone to do this. You can also get bluetooth adapters for PCs which could perform a similar function. An ATA sounds like a good solution for what you need to do, some people are too cheap even to spend that sort of money. :) I personally think softphones come into their own for testing setups with Asterisk and what not, as you can get them for quite a few different VoIP protocols and are easy to reconfigure. At the moment I just use a softphone for my home use, but I should be getting some telephones in once I've configured up my new T1 PCI card and channel bank. Regards, Jon2. This is true, but you still need to shell out for a cordless phone to do this. You can also get bluetooth adapters for PCs which could perform a similar function. An ATA sounds like a good solution for what you need to do, some people are too cheap even to spend that sort of money. :) I personally think softphones come into their own for testing setups with Asterisk and what not, as you can get them for quite a few different VoIP protocols and are easy to reconfigure. At the moment I just use a softphone for my home use, but I should be getting some telephones in once I've configured up my new T1 PCI card and channel bank. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] dvb-t
There seems to be some unofficial OSX support http://www.defyne.org/dvb/driver.html Mac compatability would be just a convenience, anyway. I only have a Powermac, and even If I had an Intel Mac, I'm not going to boot into Windoze just to watch TV! Advice on coax connections noted, thanks. Michael Brown wrote: I think there are only about 2 USB tuners that will work with OSX an it's at least $230. They do a windows version of the same card, so I don't know what the difference is for the Mac version, if it's just the software or what. Any of them will work with widows if you run bootcamp. I'm using a cheap MSI card on the Macbook pro under windows and it works fine. You might want to look at these links. http://store.apple.com/133-622/WebObjects/australiastore.woa/6674021/wo/uQQTpynm5kHL3tAHlsE2zuRQJIb/3.0.21.1.0.8.25.7.11.3.3 which has the built in coax jack http://store.apple.com/133-622/WebObjects/australiastore.woa/6674021/wo/uQQTpynm5kHL3tAHlsE2zuRQJIb/3.0.21.1.0.8.25.7.11.2.3 which needs an adapter I'd go for the one with built in coax connector. Michael B. -- Jon Wilson, Sydney, Australia Mob: +61 4 0549 9490, Yahoo: phuq_eu, Skype: jonwilson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] dvb-t
Anyone use a USB digital TV device with any success? I'm looking for something that (a) works with a Linux MythTV setup (for a PVR) and (b) can be plugged into my Mac for simple portable Ashes watching action this summer (not much else worth watching ). The Compro U500's seem sensibly priced ($99), but I'm unsure about what chipset they have in them. Jon -- Jon Wilson, Sydney, Australia Mob: +61 4 0549 9490, Yahoo: phuq_eu, Skype: jonwilson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Maxi-multi boot layout?
On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 11:09:34PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 Oct, To: Sydney Linux Users Group wrote: I'll persevere with lilo, therefore, but may end up having to experiment with grub. Lilo wasn't up to the task - best I could get was to see Loading Fedora .. and then a hang. I guess it needs bios support to see the larger drive. I tried grub, but forgot to copy the grub files onto the boot partition. Naturally, good ol' dumb o' grub didn't report this catastrophic error, it just went ahead. Now I have a system that says: Searching for Boot Record from IDE-0..OK and then hangs. Grub really suffers from the old Unix who cares about usability? / as long as users make no mistakes it all works brilliantly syndrome. Anyway, tomorrow I'll rescue again, make a grub directory on the boot partition, copy the grub files from fedora across, and try again. Sigh. God I hate grub. /grumble Oh - I forgot to ask. I'm assuming that unlike lilo, grub *doesn't* need the BIOS to be able to read data from the drives. Is that true? Waa waa waa. People would be more likely to be willing to lend assistance to you, if it wasn't for all the bitching and complaining about supposed problems in a tool you have used for the first time, and have made some errors in the configuration of. Everyone makes mistakes, especially if it's the first time they've used something. Looking at ways to resolve the problem is much more likely to reap positive results than bashing the tool. Lilo and Grub each have their own pluses and minuses, so while it may take a bit of getting used to Grub's syntax, it tends to be a bit better at actually making operating systems, especially non-standard ones, boot. Grub also has a nice console that you can try syntax on at boot time. You are correct in saying that Grub does not require the BIOS to read drives, well, at least in the way I think you mean it. Also, what is so hard with the Debian text installer? I'm not sure which screen it is you're having a biff with, but I have a feeling that it's not a very critical screen in any case. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL connection advice
On 6/8/05, Steven O'Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I have recently got a broadband connection with iprimus with an external modem/router (Netcomm NB5). Hi Steve, The modem handles the PPPoE side of things. Make sure you have your modems LAN address set as your default route. It's just like connecting to any vanilla network. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Linux System Administrator Wanted
On 6/3/05, James Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been called many things where I work: Security Nazi RFC Zealot Unix Pig Linux Whore Rack Monkey Packet Sniffer (I jest you not!) Sneaky Little Bastard Hey you! BOFH? In an office full of Dilbert fans, I am also referred to as Mordac - The evil-hearted director of Information Services. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Parking at UTS
On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 03:18:26PM +1000, Michael Kraus wrote: G'day guys, I understand that the next meeting is a week from today. It's been ages since I've actually attended a meeting - is there car parking close to UTS? Hello Michael, There are a few possible parking locations. One is the streets immediately behind the UTS Tower building, where you may be waiting anywhere up to ten minutes for a parking space to become available. The meters stop at 1900. There is also the subsequent side streets further down off Harris Street. Another option is a few blocks west of UTS, at the Broadway Shopping Centre carpark, where you get 3 hours free, and generally the boom gates are unmanned and opened after 2300 (Carpark is not guaranteed to be open beyond 0100 though.) It is ten minutes walk at a moderate pace, to the UTS Tower. There is the parking station under UTS Building 10, accessible from the streets behind UTS, it only opens to 2200 however, and the fares are about average, a small discount if you're a student, too. There are plenty of other parking stations and hotel carparks, etc, in the vicinity of a few blocks from UTS, if you are so inclined. I hope this gives you a good idea of the available parking options around UTS. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: [chat] Wireless
On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 12:04:25PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote: Phil Scarratt wrote: Hey Just googling at the moment for it at the moment...does anyone know if you can have multiple aerials/antennas on a wireless access point? No!. Huh? You most certainly can. Whether it is at all practical is a totally different matter. First off, many APs support diversity, that is, two antennas. Generally only one will transmit, while a switch switches between the antenna with the highest signal strength for receive. However, this only works with the two antennas being close to each other and relatively omnidirectional. If you were to put the antennas in a fashion that they were unable to see each other, but able to see different wireless nodes, your AP would reduce performance to almost non-existant, crazily switching between antennas, and dealing with massive error. Another way, which has potential, is to use just a single antenna port from the AP (obviously the one with TX if it's diversity equipped), connect it to a 2.4GHz splitter/combiner, and run coax from there to two antennas. This could conceivably allow radio signal from two areas previously blind to each other to propogate to the AP. Just remember, a 2 port Splitter/ Combiner has a theoretical signal loss of 3dB, due to splitting the signal into two, and there's probably 0.5dB loss to add to that for insertion loss of the device. Another factor to consider would be the loss from the runs of coaxial cable. So once you've calculated a system power budget for the two antenna system, and also a financial budget to acheive that particular power budget, you can assess whether or not, it is viable to do at all. Hope this helps somewhat answer the question, without getting too far into the nitty gritty of radcomms engineering. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Bridged ADSL yoyoing
Try adjusting the LCP_INTERVAL to a lower value, like 10. On RedHat its stored in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0 Regards, Jon On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:32:12 +1100, Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone had the experience of a bridged ADSL connection continually going up and down? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ISP recomendation
I would not suggest TPG if you want low latency at all times.. Check out Broadband Choice Whirlpool.. http://www.whirpool.net.au If you need high ingress/egress bandwidth at all times, you probably want a symmetrical circut, so a SHDSL rather than ADSL. Just don't buy a consumer grade service and be upset when it has outages or doesnt work 100% of the time. Spend the money and get a business grade service if your Internet connectivity is that important. Regards, Jon On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:56:26 +1100, Luke Skywalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We use TPG here on 1500/256 ADSL and are very happy with there reliability and service Julio Cesar Ody wrote: Hi list, the company where I work now, for reasons beyond mention, is willing to change it's network provider. Since we work mostly with video conference software, we do need a reliable low-latency and high bandwidth connection. Which ISPs based in Sydney would you guys recommend for that? We're interested in a technical friendly provider whose techies know what they're doing, preferrably constituted by geeks. Cheers. Thanks in advance. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Unwired for Broadband ?
See the Unwired forum on whirlpool.net.au for more info from a users perspective. I think Harvey Norman have a money back offer if it does not perform. On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:27:43 +1100, Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As with all wireless stuff, your mileage will vary, but it's probably worth trying it out. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OT: Aerial for Unwired connection.
On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 09:51:54PM +1100, Michael S. E. Kraus wrote: G'day... Sorry for the off-topic posting, but I'm guessing if anyone would know the answer to this, they'd be here. I've just gotten myself an unwired connection - which is all well and good - however, I seem to be in a dead spot, and only get low to medium signal strength. The backyard has excellent reception, but its not exactly easy to keep the modem there. Does anyone know if there is a way to construct a better aerial for the modem to increase reception? TIA Mike Hello Mike, This URL will probably be helpful to you, as it contains some information on making 3.5GHz antennas for Unwired: http://community.webshots.com/user/trash0 Click through to Unwired and Technical. Hope this helps. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Debain stable; MySQL 4.1 backport?
FWIW, I just ended up using the binary distribution of 4.1 from MySQL. This was replacing a backdated port of 4.0 It used the existing configuration and data fine (from my limited testing). There is a 4.1 debain package in the experimental branch, but I did not have much joy. Regards, Jon On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:11:55 +1100, Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Deigan wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:25:09 +1000, Jon Austin wrote: Does anyone know if such a beast exists? I need subquery support which is only present (I believe) in 4.1.. By this point in time, you might as well think about upgrading to sarge (the next debian stable). It will go stable soon, so it might be worth considering before going to the effort of compiling from source or using an unknown/trusted backport. What happens with a stable system when testing becomes stable? I have a server with MySQL 3-something and my testing laptop is MySQL 4.1 so I gather that soon, when I do an apt-get update, the stable system will report that that it will upgrade from 3 to 4. I know the mysql tables changed structure from 3 to 4. I presume it will do a conversion seamlessly? Mike -- Michael Lake Chemistry, Materials Forensic Science, UTS Ph: 9514 1725 Fx: 9514 1460 -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Debain stable; MySQL 4.1 backport?
Does anyone know if such a beast exists? I need subquery support which is only present (I believe) in 4.1.. Backports.org is only at 4.0 and googling has proved fruitless so far. If there is no joy, guess I will be building it from source. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Postfix + MySQL
Hey, I have tried to get MySQL and postfix to talk to each other on Debian stable. The problem I have is when Postfix tries to connect to MySQL, it has issues. Oct 28 15:03:09 sheadoffice-bne postfix/trivial-rewrite[27803]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server throug h socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) Oct 28 15:03:09 sheadoffice-bne postfix/trivial-rewrite[27803]: fatal: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf(0,100): table lookup problem Now I can use the mysql client with the same username and password and connect successfully. I can also connect successfully using mysql --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock I've tried getting postfix to talk via 127.0.0.1 and also the real IP address of the machine. I've also tried using 'unix:/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' as the host in the postfix virtual mapping. I'm stumped and very frustrated. Any suggestions? Kind regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Resizing XFS paritions?
Hello list, I'd like to resize /dev/hdc1 to take up the entire disk. I've read about xfs_growfs, but I'm worried about committing any changes without some confirmation from the list about the steps involved. Last thing I need to do is drive out to our datacenter right now. :) Disk looks like: Disk /dev/hdc: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 9729 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hdc1 1 124995998+ 83 Linux /dev/hdc2 * 125 9729 77152162+ 83 Linux Using fdisk (or cfdisk), delete /dev/hdc2 and write the parition table. run xfs_growfs -D /mountpoint (which is / in this case) And /dev/hdc1 should now be 100% of /dev/hdc ? Any comments appreciated. Kind Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Resizing XFS paritions?
FYI, I ended up deleting hdc1 and hdc2, recreating hdc1 as the full disk size. Then running lilo for good measure, and rebooting. The parition remounted fine, and running xfs_growfs / grew the filesystem as necessary and df reports the correct parition sizes. On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:45:43 +1000, Jon Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I'd like to resize /dev/hdc1 to take up the entire disk. I've read about xfs_growfs, but I'm worried about committing any changes without some confirmation from the list about the steps involved. Last thing I need to do is drive out to our datacenter right now. :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Seeking GNOME application for image manipulation
GD [http://www.boutell.com/gd/] library and a whole lot of scripting. :) It should be easy to resize all the images programatically, but rotating will have to be done by hand. Jon On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:21:34 +0100, Mary Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the following use case: I take photos with a digital camera. I arrange these in a directory structure by hand. I would like to be able to rotate them (this camera isn't one of the ones which knows which way up it goes so I have to rotate all the images by hand) and resize them. Ideally I would do this by selecting a bunch of images in Nautilus or some image application and performing an action on them. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] UPS recommendation
On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 10:35:08AM +1000, David wrote: I need to buy a UPS urgently. What's the latest opinion on this subject? It will have to handle three PC's running debian, a router and a switch. As a matter of interest (not linux related), my new provider has supplied a Lucent AID which keeps spontaneously re-booting about once per hour. They are blaming it on fluctuations in the power supply, despite my having been running a Cisco and a range of PC's for the last 3 years with no problems. Has any one else seen this kind of problem? Hi David, You haven't mentioned wether you require to backup any monitors, and if you do, if they are CRT or LCD. This is an important piece of information in order to adequately dimension a power backup solution. Also, btw, s/PC's/PCs/ :) Regards, Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Epping, Wireless networking
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 06:25:05AM +1000, James Ponza wrote: Hi there, I was wondering if anyone on this list lives in epping (specifically near or in essex street) who is interested in helping to create a wireless network? There are a couple of us here who want to set something up (and we pretty much have all the stuff we need) but there is a slight question of distance. (although we might be able to do it - it's only 300m but it will involve getting the antennas up high I think) If we could get another couple of nodes though we should be able to do something fairly cool. If anyone lives around here and is interested please email me :) Hi James, There are a number of us who live closeish to Epping who are involved in wireless networking. Are you currently on nodedb.com? 300metres is child's play and should be easy to setup unless you have a mountain or rather large building in the way. If you would like to chat with some other Sydneysiders involved in wireless networking, #wireless on Austnet is the place to be. Regards, Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Epping, Wireless networking
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 09:42:32AM +1000, James Ponza wrote: oh P.S. - RE nodedb - I have tried to add an entry but the links to finding out my co-ordinates don't seem to lead to anything useful (at least not that I could find). But yes I will add myself when I work out how to :) Yes, Duane (evilbunny) hasn't done much work on nodedb recently, so the map location function is stuffed. To get your co-ordinates: Go to www.street-directory.com.au, locate your address, go to the highest level of zoom, then center the map on your node location. Now view the source from the resultant web site, and you will notice hidden form fields with highly accurate latitude and longditude co-ordinates. Copy and paste each of the two of these into the Latitude and Longditude fields of the adding a node screen on nodedb.com. Now fill in the rest of the details for your node, submit, and you have a node :) Regards, Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Epping, Wireless networking
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 09:41:36AM +1000, James Ponza wrote: Ahh fantastic - thanks Jon :) the only thing that *might* be in the way is trees... we have a couple of cantennas (and an old pay TV dish) - I just need to get a TNC-N pigtail for my WAP... and another one for a PCI card if I ever manage to find a linux compatible card! (I think it could be better to run a linux box rather than an appliance wap since it'd be a lot more configurable). Trees shouldn't present too great a problem. I have a full time link operating through 1km of bushland with minimal problems. Make sure the pigtail is RP-TNC to N (preferably female), as it's not standard TNC. In regards to PCI wireless cards, the fact of the matter is that most fully PCI wireless cards on the market right now, completely suck, to put it nicely. The best option is to get good PCMCIA cards and a PCI to PCMCIA cradle (Ricoh is the best chipset). Some good cards are the Seano/Veritech/Booyah (all the same card) ones, they have 100 or 200mW output models, with excellent receive sensitivity. Another good card is the Orinoco/Lucent/Avaya/Cabletron/Enterasys (same card) which has 30mW output power and good receive sensitivity. Unfortunately the market has been flooded with cheap stuff like Billion, Netgear, D-link, and Belkin, which, at the risk of generalising has a lower receive sensitivity and driver compatibility/hardware interoperability, than the afforementioned cards. Here are some good sources of wireless gear: www.techtopia.com.au www.austwireless.com www.topical.com.au so since I haven't put my antenna up yet I might be underestimating how strong the signal might actually turn out to be... Yeah I certainly don't see a problem at 300m, one side might not even need an external antenna (no guarantees though of course). I am off to the library now but I will certainly check out that channel you mentioned! Take care. :) Regards, Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Epping, Wireless networking
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 02:33:38PM +1000, James Ponza wrote: Make sure the pigtail is RP-TNC to N (preferably female), as it's not standard TNC. yep, I was going to get a female RP-TNC - female N (since both of the N connectors I bought to make the antenna cable are male :) and the antenna mount is female). Yeah, it's communications standard for low loss coax leads to generally be double ended male terminated, antennas are always female, and the equipment is almost always female. In regards to PCI wireless cards, the fact of the matter is that most fully PCI wireless cards on the market right now, completely suck, to put it nicely. The best option is to get good PCMCIA cards and a PCI to PCMCIA cradle (Ricoh is the best chipset). Some good cards are the Seano/Veritech/Booyah (all the same card) ones, they have 100 or 200mW output models, with excellent receive sensitivity. Another good card is the Orinoco/Lucent/Avaya/Cabletron/Enterasys (same card) which has 30mW output power and good receive sensitivity. H - although my options would be limited when it comes to trying to attatch and external antenna to a PCMCIA card wouldn't they... short of ripping the casing off and soldering the cable straight onto the board I guess (if this is possible). But that is good to know - esp wrt the ricoh cradle. All the cards I recommended are available with external antenna sockets. The Senao/Veritech are vailable either with integrated antenna, or dual MMCX antenna socket. The Orinoco units have a integrated antenna and single MCX/Lucent socket. Regards, Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Epping, Wireless networking
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 03:00:09PM +1000, Ben Donohue wrote: Hi Jon, I've also been looking into joining this wireless network. I was trying to figure out what would be a good antenna for a Netgear Model DG834G 54 Mbps Wireless to reach say 5 or 6 houses out in all directions. Or is this way too much to expect from wireless? Hi, It really depends how far the houses are from your place. You'd be looking at either an omnidirectional or a 180degree slotted waveguide, depending on your situation. It's also unlikely you'll get 54Mbit/s speeds, you probably won't get a link speed of more than 11Mbit/s. Regards, Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] su - Password expired
On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 03:09:57PM +1000, Adam W wrote: Hi, Anyone seen this problem before. Cant seem to find an answer on google on how to fix. [EMAIL PROTECTED] adamw]$ su Password: Your account has expired; please contact your system administrator su: incorrect password [EMAIL PROTECTED] adamw]$ chage -l adamw [snip] Last Change:Mar 28, 2004 Password Expires: May 27, 2004 Password Inactive: Never Account Expires:Jan 01, 2010 The account hasn't expired as you can see above. And I am entering the correct root password. Any clues? While the password on the account 'adamw' may not have expired, it appears that the password on the account 'root' has expired. Fixing this would probably involve booting in single user mode or some such fun. Password expiry on root account bad, unless you're certain to change it before expiry occurs. -- Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Persistent routes in Debian
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 12:04:36PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you tried adding the routes in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/routes or /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/static-routes I think the syntax is -add net x.x.x.x netmask y.y.y.y gw z.z.z.z cd /etc/sysconfig bash: cd: /etc/sysconfig: No such file or directory Did you take note of the fact that Craig requested the method to do this with Debian? The way I do this in Debian is have a route start script and a route stop script with all the necessary routing commands, which is run by the networking scripts. For example, at the bottom of an interface config block within /etc/network/interfaces: up /path/to/routing-up-script.sh down /path/to/routing-down-script.sh More information and options can be found with 'man 5 interfaces'. Hope this helps, -- Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AOL SUCKS
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 07:14:13AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 01:44, Greg Wright wrote: Don't work around it, you should use your ISPs SMTP server to send out mailAOL is to be commended for this type of checking. What ?!?! If I ring a friend, I get a virtual circuit without having to ring my phone companies switchboard. Well, technically you get a real circuit (non-virtual), and your call passes through telco switch(es), which are automatic these days. You don't have a copper pair going straight from you to your friend :). -- Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AOL SUCKS
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 10:28:10AM +1100, Jeff Allison wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 10:17, Jon Teh wrote: Well, technically you get a real circuit (non-virtual), and your call passes through telco switch(es), which are automatic these days. You don't have a copper pair going straight from you to your friend :). -- Jon Teh well not to my house I'm on a RIM so theres fibre involved somewhere That's still considered a real circuit however, even if your call goes via TDMA on the way to the exchange. Inter exchange circuits are fibre these days all running PCM over TDMA. -- Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] AOL SUCKS
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 10:43:23AM +1100, Jeff Allison wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 10:31, Jon Teh wrote: That's still considered a real circuit however, even if your call goes via TDMA on the way to the exchange. Inter exchange circuits are fibre these days all running PCM over TDMA. -- Jon Teh I had one of those but the wheels fell off :/ The who what? -- Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Q uick Survey
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:01:19AM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have go to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them) So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to? 1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support) 2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)? 3) Debian? 4) Mandrake? 5) Suse? 6) Gentoo? 7) Slackware? 8) Something else? If you have small servers, why not go with Professional Workstation (RHPW) The cost is what you pay already for a boxed set plus updates. seems reasonable to me. You say this like people actually pay to use the Linux OS. I think you'll find in excess of 99% of Linux installs do not come from a paid box set. -- Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Q uick Survey
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:54:06AM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Teh) wrote: If you have small servers, why not go with Professional Workstation (RHPW) The cost is what you pay already for a boxed set plus updates. seems reasonable to me. You say this like people actually pay to use the Linux OS. I think you'll find in excess of 99% of Linux installs do not come from a paid box set. The 'everything for nothing' crowd will get left behind, or they can use Fedora. It's strange you say that, as I've been using Debian for some time, and don't seem to be getting 'left behind'. It is also most certainly not everything for nothing as you put it, considering that people in the Linux communities such as the Debian one are fairly major code contributors to Open Source Software projects. This latest Red Hat rearrangement looks like just another indicator that the pay-for-Linux model just isn't working, with a lot of the commercial operators running on borrowed time (or as it may be, investors' money). With the costs of the new commercial Red Hat as high as they are, I'd be surprised if this change alone will be enough to prop up the company. -- Jon Teh -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
