Re: WAS: Re: [SLUG] can you buy a Woody CD?
Hi all, I managed to get the 8 CDs (May snapshot) tried to load bf 2.4 off the 4th cd, but it needed the 1st cd for the base system. now i'm stuck in the loop as below Graeme Robinson wrote on 6/5/02:15:22: so far very smooth. On reboot I get prompted for root pw and useraccount creation but then I got stuck in a loop: - requests setting of clock to GMT, - select timezone and city, - seclect Md5 passwords and - shadow passwords - and then back to setting of clock to GMT. pretty weird. I eventually killed the conf process and can now apt-get and install stuff ok something to do with the fact that I'm running it in a virtual machine perhaps? if I kill the file that keeps looping i presume i will loose the call for the 4th cd to load the rest of the files. silly me ran apt-get and gave it all the CDs, so now it has several thousand packages. is there a way to restrict it to those packages that would have loaded if the install had run normally? the man pages seem to indicate that you specify by name what is to load, and I can't see how to list what is available .amongst that many packages there are sure to be conflicts if it loads them all, or am i underestimating the smarts of apt? this is not helped by the fact that i only seem to have cat and more; lynx, less, mc haven't loaded yet. any clues will be gratefully received, Bill -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: WAS: Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
This one time, at band camp, Graeme Robinson wrote: So far very smooth. On reboot I get prompted for root pw and useraccount creation but then I got stuck in a loop: There is a bug in that version of base-config, a new version has been uploaded into the archive. I can only assume that it has been accepted into the oh-so-near woody, but I can check if you like... *sounds of checking* No, it seems that it hasn't moved in yet, but I doubt woody will release with such a glaring bug in the install. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg * TongMaster watches Natalie again. greeno TongMaster: you going to be doing the 'jedi hand trick'? -- Greeno's zer0-day Star Wars II trailer, #slug/OPN -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
is potato -- woody upgrade a big download for those of us on a dialup connection? to get back vaguely to the original question, my desktop machine is woody which I upgraded from potato a few months ago, can't remember how many Mb that was. But on the weekend I did an apt-get upgrade to get it all up to the latest woody pkgs, it was 150Mb download. So potato to woody would be more than that. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
On Sat, 4 May 2002, Matthew Palmer wrote: is potato -- woody upgrade a big download for those of us on a dialup connection? Yes. Basically, whatever you've got on your system, gets sucked down again. Then I'd add about 10-20% for the usual bloat. Given that potato was 3 ISO's, and the woody beta I downloaded on the weekend was 8, I'd say signifigantly more than 10-20% for bloat. :-) DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
quote who=DaZZa Given that potato was 3 ISO's, and the woody beta I downloaded on the weekend was 8, I'd say signifigantly more than 10-20% for bloat. :-) Note that there's absolutely no reason to download all of the CD's. Trying to distribute the entire Debian archive - even for a single architecture - on hard media is very close to pointless. You don't need it for installation; and after that, everything is available via your local mirror. I personally use a 180MB ISO for installs. The available packages for Debian don't indicate bloat. They indicate a very large, distributed developer base and a lot of hard work. - Jeff -- No clue is good clue. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
On Sun, 5 May 2002, DaZZa wrote: is potato -- woody upgrade a big download for those of us on a dialup connection? Yes. Basically, whatever you've got on your system, gets sucked down again. Then I'd add about 10-20% for the usual bloat. Given that potato was 3 ISO's, and the woody beta I downloaded on the weekend was 8, I'd say signifigantly more than 10-20% for bloat. :-) That's because of more packages in the archive. Doing an upgrade should only involve those packages already on the system. Replacing those with new versions will only involve a 10-20% blowout, due to new features and whatnot. Certainly it should not be a 166% increase. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:
Given that potato was 3 ISO's, and the woody beta I downloaded on the
weekend was 8, I'd say signifigantly more than 10-20% for bloat. :-)
Note that there's absolutely no reason to download all of the CD's. Trying
to distribute the entire Debian archive - even for a single architecture -
on hard media is very close to pointless.
You don't need it for installation; and after that, everything is available
via your local mirror. I personally use a 180MB ISO for installs.
It'd be nice if Dabian _said_ that somewhere. Nowhere on the site does it
indicate you don't need all the disks.
Yes, it indicates you can do a minimal install from a small ISO, and get
the rest from the net - but it's a _big_ assumption that anyone who
installs Debian will have net access to get the rest of the packages every
single time they install.
The available packages for Debian don't indicate bloat. They indicate a very
large, distributed developer base and a lot of hard work.
My my, you _are_ defensive, aren't you Jeff?
Since I can remember a time when slackware and yggydrasil {and I can't
even _spell_ that anymore} fitted nicely on a single CD with room to
spare, any distribution which uses 8 disks {or 1 DVD} such as Woody, or
SuSE to name two, is bloated with a lot of stuff beyond the core OS.
I'm not, please note, saying this is a bad thing.
DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
quote who=DaZZa It'd be nice if Dabian _said_ that somewhere. Nowhere on the site does it indicate you don't need all the disks. Pretty sure it says it in the install guide. Yes, it indicates you can do a minimal install from a small ISO, and get the rest from the net - but it's a _big_ assumption that anyone who installs Debian will have net access to get the rest of the packages every single time they install. Funny thing is, last time I downloaded Red Hat, I didn't realise I *had* to have both CD's. It makes far more sense to me to have the distribution work it out for itself. Debian has a very effective system (and package: popularity-contest) for working out what should go on the first CDs. The available packages for Debian don't indicate bloat. They indicate a very large, distributed developer base and a lot of hard work. My my, you _are_ defensive, aren't you Jeff? Yes, but no one has even mentioned my nose yet. - Jeff -- Orphaned farm-boy hero helps save world against bad-guys, begins a journey of self-discovery, and makes interesting friends. Passable. - Andrew Bennetts on Star Wars -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote: It'd be nice if Dabian _said_ that somewhere. Nowhere on the site does it indicate you don't need all the disks. Pretty sure it says it in the install guide. Which is where? On the first disk, right? :-) Yes, it indicates you can do a minimal install from a small ISO, and get the rest from the net - but it's a _big_ assumption that anyone who installs Debian will have net access to get the rest of the packages every single time they install. Funny thing is, last time I downloaded Red Hat, I didn't realise I *had* to have both CD's. It makes far more sense to me to have the distribution work it out for itself. So, if you buy a piece of commercial software and get one CD, you expect it to go out and download the second CD while installing? This makes sense? Debian has a very effective system (and package: popularity-contest) for working out what should go on the first CDs. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over whose distribution/installation system is best. It's not worth it, and the zealots from both sides will be tearing out throats in minutes. The available packages for Debian don't indicate bloat. They indicate a very large, distributed developer base and a lot of hard work. My my, you _are_ defensive, aren't you Jeff? Yes, but no one has even mentioned my nose yet. Jeff, you've got a very grecian nose. :-) DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
quote who=DaZZa Which is where? On the first disk, right? :-) On the website. Great docs. Funny thing is, last time I downloaded Red Hat, I didn't realise I *had* to have both CD's. It makes far more sense to me to have the distribution work it out for itself. So, if you buy a piece of commercial software and get one CD, you expect it to go out and download the second CD while installing? This makes sense? It didn't make sense to me that I'd have to have both CD's - I thought that the most useful stuff would be on the first CD, and I could put the second CD in only if I needed to install packages from it. It's backwards from what you expected (thus funny?). Debian has a very effective system (and package: popularity-contest) for working out what should go on the first CDs. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over whose distribution/installation system is best. It's not worth it, and the zealots from both sides will be tearing out throats in minutes. But wait! This is easy: Debian's installer is shite, but they do have a fancy way of working out the most useful stuff to put on the first CD. :-) - Jeff -- From my observation, when it comes to porting Linux to a particular device, a point doesn't appear to be necessary. - mpt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh wrote: The available packages for Debian don't indicate bloat. They indicate a very large, distributed developer base and a lot of hard work. One for the bored: 1) Take 8 Debian CDs, count them. Call this number D. 2) Take all the Microsoft CDs required to install a 2k machine (2k system, Office, IIS, etc, etc, whatever), count them too. Call this number M. 3) Work out the usefulness of the 2 systems, call the Debian Usefulness DU, and the Microsoft Usefulness MU. 4) CD/Usefulness ratio: Debian = D/DU Microsoft = M/MU. 5) Print t-shirts. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Oh, honey, I didn't get drunk, I just went to a strange fantasy world. -- Homer Simpson, El Viaje Misterioso De Nuestro Jomer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
This one time, at band camp, DaZZa wrote: On Mon, 6 May 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote: It'd be nice if Dabian _said_ that somewhere. Nowhere on the site does it indicate you don't need all the disks. Pretty sure it says it in the install guide. Which is where? On the first disk, right? :-) Debian Installation Instructions: (linked from the frontpage of debian.org) http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual I've just read through them, and you're right, there's no mention that you only need the first CD-ROM to boot if you have network connectivity. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
WAS: Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
Following this thread I was moved to download and do a netinstall of Debian - it's been a while since I tried it. I downloaded the netinstall iso, which came to 30mb, did a checksum and burned the cdrom ok. I then boot installed from it and once I installed the ethernet bridge driver it happily dhcp'ed and went off and got the base package and installed that. So far very smooth. On reboot I get prompted for root pw and useraccount creation but then I got stuck in a loop: - requests setting of clock to GMT, - select timezone and city, - seclect Md5 passwords and - shadow passwords - and then back to setting of clock to GMT. pretty weird. I eventually killed the conf process and can now apt-get and install stuff ok something to do with the fact that I'm running it in a virtual machine perhaps? -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting www.graenet.com - internet solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==---=-=--=-=-= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
So far very smooth. On reboot I get prompted for root pw and useraccount creation but then I got stuck in a loop: Known problem with Woody, fix has been implemented and should flow down soon... I think I read somewhere you can work around by switching virtual terminals upgrade base-config to 1.33.18 from sid, or wait for a little while till it comes down. -i ** CAUTION: This message may contain confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any use or disclosure of this message is prohibited. If you received this message in error please notify Mail Administrators immediately. You must obtain all necessary intellectual property clearances before doing anything other than displaying this message on your monitor. There is no intellectual property licence. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Woolworths Ltd. ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Wienand Ian wrote: So far very smooth. On reboot I get prompted for root pw and useraccount creation but then I got stuck in a loop: Known problem with Woody, fix has been implemented and should flow down soon... I think I read somewhere you can work around by switching virtual terminals upgrade base-config to 1.33.18 from sid, or wait for a little while till it comes down. OK. I just killed and all seems well and I've started messing with apt-get. -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting www.graenet.com - internet solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==---=-=--=-=-= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
is potato -- woody upgrade a big download for those of us on a dialup connection? Bill Richard Hayes wrote: Dear list, It is easy to get a Potato CD and do an upgrade but can you purchase a Woody CD? regards, -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
On Sat, 4 May 2002, Bill Taylor wrote: is potato -- woody upgrade a big download for those of us on a dialup connection? Yes. Basically, whatever you've got on your system, gets sucked down again. Then I'd add about 10-20% for the usual bloat. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
LSL has recently listed on their website debian woody cds. Im not sure if they still have it available. Karun - Original Message - From: Richard Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD? Dear list, It is easy to get a Potato CD and do an upgrade but can you purchase a Woody CD? regards, -- Richard Hayes Talent Internet http://www.talent.com.au Tel: (02) 9439 8300 Fax: (02) 9439 8327 Mob: 0414 618 425 ABN 94 002 775 215 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
Dear list, It is easy to get a Potato CD and do an upgrade but can you purchase a Woody CD? regards, -- Richard Hayes Talent Internet http://www.talent.com.au Tel: (02) 9439 8300 Fax: (02) 9439 8327 Mob: 0414 618 425 ABN 94 002 775 215 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 10:04, Richard Hayes wrote: Dear list, It is easy to get a Potato CD and do an upgrade but can you purchase a Woody CD? You won't be able to buy one until it is released. As you said, the easiest way is to upgrade from potato, or download a boot floopy/small iso (40 - 130mb) and install from that. Greeno -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel : +61-(0)2-9500-9996 Mobile: +61-(0)4-2521-9996 GnuPG Key : 1024D/B5657C8B Key fingerprint = 9ED8 59CC C161 B857 462E 51E6 7DFB 465B B565 7C8B -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD?
Hi, Not sure who would sell it, but if you have friends with optus cable, get them to snag it from here and burn it for you. http://www.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/woody/i386/ Thanks Michael Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] (alias email) - Original Message - From: Richard Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 10:04 am Subject: [SLUG] Can you buy a Woody CD? Dear list, It is easy to get a Potato CD and do an upgrade but can you purchase a Woody CD? regards, -- Richard Hayes Talent Internet http://www.talent.com.au Tel: (02) 9439 8300 Fax: (02) 9439 8327 Mob: 0414 618 425 ABN 94 002 775 215 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug Powered by telstra.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
