Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
Look again - they have Regional service for $75/month with 1GB. Aah, I was only looking at Business class accounts. Do the home ones (which are the ones for $75/month) have a fixed IP? I see nothing in there that mentions it. Since the OP was mentioning fixed IP as a requirement, I figured the home service probably wouldn't fit the bill - I've never seen a home service with fixed IP (doesn't mean it doesn't exist...). And yes, the business class service doesn't seem to mention it explicitly either, but since they're talking multiple IP addresses assigned to the client, I assume they do fixed IP. Sure do... Pity I can't get ADSL at my exchange, or I'd be on one of these now... Yes, they've got some nice cheap home connections. But their business ones aren't the low end of the spectrum. Hmmm... They're not the cheapest, but better than Telstra, and support is VERY good. Just wonder how they'll go with the stylised AOL logo...:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Jon Biddell wrote: home service with fixed IP (doesn't mean it doesn't exist...). And yes, the business class service doesn't seem to mention it explicitly either, but since they're talking multiple IP addresses assigned to the client, I assume they do fixed IP. Sure do... Pity I can't get ADSL at my exchange, or I'd be on one of these now... I did notice later (damn my inability to read right the first time) that Home connections do have fixed IP, and furthermore there's no restriction on running servers or multiple machines off the one line. So, the question then becomes, why pay for a business service? Support, perhaps? Seems like an awful lot of money for the ability to get the answer 'you're screwed' a bit faster... g Yes, they've got some nice cheap home connections. But their business ones aren't the low end of the spectrum. Hmmm... They're not the cheapest, but better than Telstra, and support is 'Better than Telstra' is hardly a difficult task... -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
Home connections don't have fixed IPs.. especially Tel$tra ADSL unless it's business class. There are some providors I've heard which provide DSL with ethernet connections and not PPPoE, these were static too. WHo it was who told me I can't rememeber... Optus cable don't provide Static IPs even thought my friends cable connection has had the same IP since he started it, but Optus don't guarentee that it'll stay like that forever.. thanks, George Vieira Systems Manager Citadel Computer Systems P/L http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au -Original Message- From: Matthew Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 16 2002 10:10 AM To: Jon Biddell Cc: Daniel Harper; SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Jon Biddell wrote: home service with fixed IP (doesn't mean it doesn't exist...). And yes, the business class service doesn't seem to mention it explicitly either, but since they're talking multiple IP addresses assigned to the client, I assume they do fixed IP. Sure do... Pity I can't get ADSL at my exchange, or I'd be on one of these now... I did notice later (damn my inability to read right the first time) that Home connections do have fixed IP, and furthermore there's no restriction on running servers or multiple machines off the one line. So, the question then becomes, why pay for a business service? Support, perhaps? Seems like an awful lot of money for the ability to get the answer 'you're screwed' a bit faster... g Yes, they've got some nice cheap home connections. But their business ones aren't the low end of the spectrum. Hmmm... They're not the cheapest, but better than Telstra, and support is 'Better than Telstra' is hardly a difficult task... -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 10:21:11AM +1100, George Vieira wrote: Home connections don't have fixed IPs.. especially Tel$tra ADSL unless it's business class. yeah but that's just a fake differentiation between products. Fortunately not all ISPs are so blinkered (or trying to fit everyone into the one nice little pidgeon hole). Eg. I'm a home user but I want a static IP. I'd say that of more interest to most (small) businesses is things like quick and good support, response time guarantees etc rather than technical stuff like static or dynamic IPs. There are some providors I've heard which provide DSL with ethernet connections and not PPPoE, these were static too. WHo it was who told me I can't rememeber... dunno who told you but I think internode do that (www.internode.com.au) (and they give you a static IP) Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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- Original Message - From: David Fitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 10:21:11AM +1100, George Vieira wrote: Home connections don't have fixed IPs.. especially Tel$tra ADSL unless it's business class. Last time I checked (a while ago I admit) only telstra BP-Direct offered static IP's, and they charged arm+leg. [snip] There are some providors I've heard which provide DSL with ethernet connections and not PPPoE, these were static too. WHo it was who told me I can't rememeber... dunno who told you but I think internode do that (www.internode.com.au) (and they give you a static IP) I may have mentioned them in the past, as I use them for my connection (and yes, static IP, no authentication client or problems :) -- Jim. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
I am setting up a Linux firewall for our small network (10 Hosts). We currently have a Telstra ADSL connection, (1.5Mbps 500MB allow usage @ $130 pm). However I want a static IP address and they seem pretty anal about handing them out. There are alternatives to telstra. I went with Internode (www.internode.on.net), and for $135/month get 500MB on a 1500/256 link. Static IP comes standard. No contract period (pay month to month), no pppoe client required for authentication (eliminates one of Telstra's reliability problems). I was wondering how reliable AAPT's Optus's ADSL networks are? My connection seems to be actually supplied by Netspace (resold by internode). I think they use Optus for international links. I have been happy with the service for 6 months now (except for a bad period last week caused by some Telstra network problems in QLD) Also what ISP's are Linux friendly and knowledgeable? Internode seem to be both (but I have not had much need of this - setup is as simple as configuring an ethernet card with a static IP, and pluging into the ADSL modem). I can't speak for other suppliers/resellers. -- Cheers, Jim. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
Ok, ok, ok - I'll admit it - I'm with Telstra . . . But, in my defense, let me say this: (1) I shopped around before I joined, and I tried Optus, AAPT and PacNet - and no one unfortunately, could give me better than 512k/64k, 3Gb/mnth for $105. (2) Sss - I use dynamic DNS to get around the static IP problem Stephan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
I'm on the same for $84 because my line is with telstra.. so... -Original Message- From: Stephan Borg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 7:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS Ok, ok, ok - I'll admit it - I'm with Telstra . . . But, in my defense, let me say this: (1) I shopped around before I joined, and I tried Optus, AAPT and PacNet - and no one unfortunately, could give me better than 512k/64k, 3Gb/mnth for $105. (2) Sss - I use dynamic DNS to get around the static IP problem -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
At 13:20 14/01/02 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to Australia and this is my first post to SLUG. I am setting up a Linux firewall for our small network (10 Hosts). We currently have a Telstra ADSL connection, (1.5Mbps 500MB allow usage @ $130 pm). However I want a static IP address and they seem pretty anal about handing them out. I was wondering how reliable AAPT's Optus's ADSL networks are? Take a look at www.alwaysonline.net.au - pretty good deals to be had. $300/month with 15c/MB? Not hardly. They're only Sydney Metro, too, which reduces their utility for anyone with multiple sites. Look again - they have Regional service for $75/month with 1GB. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Jon Biddell wrote: I am new to Australia and this is my first post to SLUG. I am setting up a Linux firewall for our small network (10 Hosts). We currently have a Telstra ADSL connection, (1.5Mbps 500MB allow usage @ $130 pm). However I want a static IP address and they seem pretty anal about handing them out. I was wondering how reliable AAPT's Optus's ADSL networks are? Take a look at www.alwaysonline.net.au - pretty good deals to be had. $300/month with 15c/MB? Not hardly. They're only Sydney Metro, too, which reduces their utility for anyone with multiple sites. Look again - they have Regional service for $75/month with 1GB. Aah, I was only looking at Business class accounts. Do the home ones (which are the ones for $75/month) have a fixed IP? I see nothing in there that mentions it. Since the OP was mentioning fixed IP as a requirement, I figured the home service probably wouldn't fit the bill - I've never seen a home service with fixed IP (doesn't mean it doesn't exist...). And yes, the business class service doesn't seem to mention it explicitly either, but since they're talking multiple IP addresses assigned to the client, I assume they do fixed IP. Yes, they've got some nice cheap home connections. But their business ones aren't the low end of the spectrum. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
Hello SLUG, I am new to Australia and this is my first post to SLUG. I am setting up a Linux firewall for our small network (10 Hosts). We currently have a Telstra ADSL connection, (1.5Mbps 500MB allow usage @ $130 pm). However I want a static IP address and they seem pretty anal about handing them out. I was wondering how reliable AAPT's Optus's ADSL networks are? Also what ISP's are Linux friendly and knowledgeable? I would like to be able to set up Squid to use the ISP's cache farm (Apparently Telstras is only available to 'Direct' customers). Regards, Daniel Harper UMR Research Australia Marketing and Issues Management Consultants Level 1, Suite 105, 332-342 Oxford Street, Bondi Junction, New South Wales, 2022. Australia Phone: 02 9386 1622 Fax: 02 9386 1633 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
Quoting Daniel Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello SLUG, I am new to Australia and this is my first post to SLUG. I am setting up a Linux firewall for our small network (10 Hosts). We currently have a Telstra ADSL connection, (1.5Mbps 500MB allow usage @ $130 pm). However I want a static IP address and they seem pretty anal about handing them out. I was wondering how reliable AAPT's Optus's ADSL networks are? Take a look at www.alwaysonline.net.au - pretty good deals to be had. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Daniel Harper wrote: I am setting up a Linux firewall for our small network (10 Hosts). We currently have a Telstra ADSL connection, (1.5Mbps 500MB allow usage @ $130 pm). However I want a static IP address and they seem pretty anal about handing them out. Business class accounts typically come with static addressing. I certainly wouldn't go within a mile of one that didn't. I was wondering how reliable AAPT's Optus's ADSL networks are? I'd say 'welcome to yo-yo city' about them in general. I've heard abysmal things about Telstra's service; a mod called Flow who say they have their own network is at least as bad; I haven't heard anything too bad about AAPT and Optus but they're probably not perfect either. Also what ISP's are Linux friendly and knowledgeable? I would like to be able to set up Squid to use the ISP's cache farm (Apparently Telstras is only available to 'Direct' customers). Well that's pretty useless. Yay to Telstra, another clever move. I wouldn't worry about the Linux friendlyness of any potential ISP - tell them to give you an Ethernet port and you'll do the rest. Cache farms might be an issue, but I can't see any decent ISP denying you access - after all, the more cache use they get, the less bandwidth is being sucked up, so they can have a higher contention ratio without people getting the $h1ts. There are plenty of ADSL providers around, so shop around for a half-way decent deal. whirlpool give a nice comparison. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
My experience of optus has been reasonably good. Don't know about AAPT. When I checked Optus offered a better deal. They now have business ADSL with fixed ip. On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Daniel Harper wrote: Hello SLUG, I am new to Australia and this is my first post to SLUG. I am setting up a Linux firewall for our small network (10 Hosts). We currently have a Telstra ADSL connection, (1.5Mbps 500MB allow usage @ $130 pm). However I want a static IP address and they seem pretty anal about handing them out. I was wondering how reliable AAPT's Optus's ADSL networks are? Also what ISP's are Linux friendly and knowledgeable? I would like to be able to set up Squid to use the ISP's cache farm (Apparently Telstras is only available to 'Direct' customers). Regards, Daniel Harper UMR Research Australia Marketing and Issues Management Consultants Level 1, Suite 105, 332-342 Oxford Street, Bondi Junction, New South Wales, 2022. Australia Phone: 02 9386 1622 Fax: 02 9386 1633 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to Australia and this is my first post to SLUG. I am setting up a Linux firewall for our small network (10 Hosts). We currently have a Telstra ADSL connection, (1.5Mbps 500MB allow usage @ $130 pm). However I want a static IP address and they seem pretty anal about handing them out. I was wondering how reliable AAPT's Optus's ADSL networks are? Take a look at www.alwaysonline.net.au - pretty good deals to be had. $300/month with 15c/MB? Not hardly. They're only Sydney Metro, too, which reduces their utility for anyone with multiple sites. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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At 13:02 14/01/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this up the stick: Take a look at www.alwaysonline.net.au - pretty good deals to be had. nice plug ;) -- Guns don't kill people, I do. [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian This is random quote 457 of a collection of 1201 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
I was where you are a year ago or so and slug definately helped me with the PPPOE setup issues: I'm using Pacific Internet, have clients using Netspace and Connect.com and a collegue with Telstra - all ADSL - all linux boxes. For a business, everything else is too expensive or old tech (unless you bend the rules). Whilst I initially had a lot of problems getting PacNet running, it turned out my network card was the problem. Since then I've experienced 100% uptime. Same with client using Netspace. Connect went down once but that was a DNS problem. Some points to note: Cost: Connect.com make you use a cisco router (which they can log into for maintenance) and are by far the most expensive. Their support is generally excellent. Reliability: My experience with clients and personally is that ADSL from these three suppliers is rock solid, cheap and waaay better than telstra on price and static IPness. They do not have any hang ups about Linux although it's up to you to install (this is easy both PPPOE and PPTP are not a prob.). Conclusions: I'd recommend PacNet as they've gone the extra km for me a couple of times. They're also reasonably priced (at least they were when I signed up). For 24x7 business support, talk to connect.com if they're available in your area, expect to pay 3x or more and be lumbered with a cisco router. I'd recommend that you do not go Telstra as a collegue has had HUGE problems with them - also they do not do static IPs. Netspace are also v. reliable based on a sample set of one. Of course YKMV (Your kilometers may vary). HTH Stuart Guthrie Daniel Harper wrote: Hello SLUG, I am new to Australia and this is my first post to SLUG. I am setting up a Linux firewall for our small network (10 Hosts). We currently have a Telstra ADSL connection, (1.5Mbps 500MB allow usage @ $130 pm). However I want a static IP address and they seem pretty anal about handing them out. I was wondering how reliable AAPT's Optus's ADSL networks are? Also what ISP's are Linux friendly and knowledgeable? I would like to be able to set up Squid to use the ISP's cache farm (Apparently Telstras is only available to 'Direct' customers). Regards, Daniel Harper UMR Research Australia Marketing and Issues Management Consultants Level 1, Suite 105, 332-342 Oxford Street, Bondi Junction, New South Wales, 2022. Australia Phone: 02 9386 1622 Fax: 02 9386 1633 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 01:19:20PM +1100, David wrote: My experience of optus has been reasonably good. Don't know about AAPT. don't know about the AAPT ADSL product but as a company I wouldn't touch AAPT with a very long barge pole! Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Daniel Harper wrote:
I am new to Australia and this is my first post to SLUG.
Welcome to insanity. :-)
I am setting up a Linux firewall for our small network (10 Hosts). We
currently have a Telstra ADSL connection, (1.5Mbps 500MB allow usage @ $130
pm). However I want a static IP address and they seem pretty anal about
handing them out.
I was wondering how reliable AAPT's Optus's ADSL networks are?
About the same as Telstra - in fact, almost exactly the same, because
except in a very small percentage of cases, they {AAPT and Optus} simply
sublet cable plant {DSLAM's, routers to the network demarkation point
etc} from Telstra.
Optus do frame realy over DSL tails, and I've setup a couple of sites
using that - once the original headaches are over and done with, it's
pretty reliable. Maybe you could look at that.
Also what ISP's are Linux friendly and knowledgeable? I would like to be
able to set up Squid to use the ISP's cache farm (Apparently Telstras is
only available to 'Direct' customers).
Pacific Internet {formerly Zipworld} seems to be pretty clued up in Sydney
- the machine I'm posting this from is Debian, and they still have Linux
savvy techs on staff.
Their ADSL is a touch more expensive than Telstra at the inital fee, but
if you do a lot of data {3 gig or better per month} it works out about even
in cost because Pacific's data rate for downloads is lower.
DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] ISP's AND INTERNET SOLUTIONS
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Matthew Palmer wrote: I'd say 'welcome to yo-yo city' about them in general. I've heard abysmal things about Telstra's service; a mod called Flow who say they have their own network is at least as bad; I haven't heard anything too bad about AAPT and Optus but they're probably not perfect either. I think you'll find that Flow do use Telstra. I had an issue with them a couple of months back when I discovered that I couldn't do assymetric routing thru them (in one door, our the other). I suggested that they must be blocking something. After a few heated exchanges they finally admitted that it was in their agreement with Telstra that they would not do AR. So I reckon they must be using Telstra, at least in the regions. Also what ISP's are Linux friendly and knowledgeable? I would like to be able to set up Squid to use the ISP's cache farm (Apparently Telstras is only available to 'Direct' customers). I don't think you will find that is true. I have several BPB ADSL sites that still use the BPD proxy caches without any probs. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com We are either doing something, or we are not. 'Talking about' is a subset of 'not'. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Howard Lowndes wrote: I'd say 'welcome to yo-yo city' about them in general. I've heard abysmal things about Telstra's service; a mod called Flow who say they have their own network is at least as bad; I haven't heard anything too bad about AAPT and Optus but they're probably not perfect either. I think you'll find that Flow do use Telstra. I had an issue with them a I should have disclaimed that statement - I have no personal knowledge of Flow's network arrangements, I was only going from their rather prominent statement on their website: FLOW has designed, built and now operates a sophisticated network with the widest geographical reach of any independent communications company in Australia. As we own the majority of our network, our customers have come to enjoy affordable and reliable data transport services that are second to none. (from http://www.flow.com.au/products_services.html) From the second sentence, I'd say they have some of their own and use Telstra's elsewhere (including, I guess, the parts you are operating in). Also what ISP's are Linux friendly and knowledgeable? I would like to be able to set up Squid to use the ISP's cache farm (Apparently Telstras is only available to 'Direct' customers). I don't think you will find that is true. I have several BPB ADSL sites that still use the BPD proxy caches without any probs. It seems odd that any ISP wouldn't want users using their proxies. I know a couple of dial-up ISPs I've used over the years shoving proxies down their user's throats... -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Martin wrote: It seems odd that any ISP wouldn't want users using their proxies. I know a couple of dial-up ISPs I've used over the years shoving proxies down their user's throats... telstra doesn't restrict access to their cache. but my understanding is that only direct customers get the reduced data prices for proxy traffic. if you are just a normal customer you pay full price per MB no matter where it is coming from. Aah, that's the Telstra I know and love (to hate). Of course. It doesn't cost us anything, but gee we're going to charge you full price for it. OK, it's not quite zero, but still less than $0.15/MB. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
