Re: [SLUG] Linux Printing
Thanks Richard. I see you have a long-term view of the cost advantages. Probably a little too long term for me, but I accept that it is a view appropriate for a business environment where it can be written off. I would hope to be replacing my printer with something better/cheaper (new technology and destined to include colour) much sooner. My Brother HL1430 yields an estimated 5000 copies for about the same price as the toner costs you mention and includes a new drum at the same time. The printer is currently selling around the $200 mark. It is fast and delivers top quality prints. I recommend it as a cheap way into laser printing. John. Richard wrote: Kyocera use a Ceramic drum that lasts 100,000 pages and the replacement cost is about the same as a new machine. If you look at the Brother 5140 ( $350ex new) the new drum that only lasts 20,000 pages costs $189->$212, and the carts are about the same price as the Kyocera. Simple math shows the $320ex Kyocera FS-820 with it 100,000 page life drum totally massacres the TCO of the Brother printer over a 5 years period (take me 8 years to output 100,000 pages). Each cart does 6,000 pages, prices vary New $119ex Refill $77 ( same toner as a FS-1010/20) And no HP are not much better either, in some cases worse. The so called sub $200 models are great if your not printing much but for a small office there the most expensive option, with there small toner carts and drums that don't last long (usually the cart and drum are one unit only putting out 1,000->2,000 pages). One thing I must admit when I ordered the Kyocera FS-820, I thought it would be rather small going by the picture but its actually a decent sized printer with a rather spacious paper tray. Its also anything but slow and doesn't output pages that have that slight bend in them like many laser printers do. Also for those with Apple laptops there is a firewire port on the back next to the standard Parallel connector. On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 08:21 +1000, John Gibbons wrote: Sounds like a great deal and much cheaper to run than my Brother HL1430 which is a nice little machine. Can the drum/toner be replaced with a new one? Cost? John. Regards Richard Neal Childlessness is hereditary, if your parents don't have children neither will you. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Linux Printing
Kyocera use a Ceramic drum that lasts 100,000 pages and the replacement cost is about the same as a new machine. If you look at the Brother 5140 ( $350ex new) the new drum that only lasts 20,000 pages costs $189->$212, and the carts are about the same price as the Kyocera. Simple math shows the $320ex Kyocera FS-820 with it 100,000 page life drum totally massacres the TCO of the Brother printer over a 5 years period (take me 8 years to output 100,000 pages). Each cart does 6,000 pages, prices vary New $119ex Refill $77 ( same toner as a FS-1010/20) And no HP are not much better either, in some cases worse. The so called sub $200 models are great if your not printing much but for a small office there the most expensive option, with there small toner carts and drums that don't last long (usually the cart and drum are one unit only putting out 1,000->2,000 pages). One thing I must admit when I ordered the Kyocera FS-820, I thought it would be rather small going by the picture but its actually a decent sized printer with a rather spacious paper tray. Its also anything but slow and doesn't output pages that have that slight bend in them like many laser printers do. Also for those with Apple laptops there is a firewire port on the back next to the standard Parallel connector. On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 08:21 +1000, John Gibbons wrote: Sounds like a great deal and much cheaper to run than my Brother HL1430 which is a nice little machine. Can the drum/toner be replaced with a new one? Cost? John. Regards Richard Neal Childlessness is hereditary, if your parents don't have children neither will you. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Linux Printing
Jamie Honan wrote:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 09:53:56PM +1000, Richard wrote:
So what did I end up buying, well after running the slide rule over
everything I ended up getting a Kyocera FS-820, the main reasons being
very low TCO compared to all the printers I looked into.
The two main factors were the up front price of only $320ex, and that I
don't have to change the drum for 100,000 pages (you just buy another
printer).
You don't buy the drum but you need toner after 6,000 pages.
Kyocera TK-110 cartridges seem to be $133
Seems a TAD expensive, I wonder what a refiller would cost?
So about 4c per printed page for the first 100,000 pages if you don't
scratch the drum in the meantime.
round-up(100((capital is ($320+gst)/1**5) + (toner is $133/6**3) +
(paper is ~$5/500)) is 4c per page.
Which is normal range pricing to me.
With my lasers, Gestetner GLP800 & Scout, HP4v & HP5siMX, I have always
found that the refillers are light on toner than the brand cartridges,
but variations in print jobs made it difficult to work out who was the
best value.
One thing I did lean is that Kyocera has a duplexer for ~$700, so I will
not be paying $800-$1,200 to have the 300,000 page service on my HP5si
(we no longer need A3 duplex print).
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Re: [SLUG] Linux Printing
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 09:53:56PM +1000, Richard wrote: > So what did I end up buying, well after running the slide rule over > everything I ended up getting a Kyocera FS-820, the main reasons being > very low TCO compared to all the printers I looked into. > > The two main factors were the up front price of only $320ex, and that I > don't have to change the drum for 100,000 pages (you just buy another > printer). You don't buy the drum but you need toner after 6,000 pages. Kyocera TK-110 cartridges seem to be $133 Seems a TAD expensive, I wonder what a refiller would cost? Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Linux Printing
Sounds like a great deal and much cheaper to run than my Brother HL1430 which is a nice little machine. Can the drum/toner be replaced with a new one? Cost? John. Richard wrote: Hai folks I asked about a month ago about what would be a good mono laser printer, for a small office setup. Some of the information was very useful, and I thank everyone. So what did I end up buying, well after running the slide rule over everything I ended up getting a Kyocera FS-820, the main reasons being very low TCO compared to all the printers I looked into. The two main factors were the up front price of only $320ex, and that I don't have to change the drum for 100,000 pages (you just buy another printer). It works fine with Linux (don't use it with Mandrake 10.1 there is a PCL/lp0 bug in the kernel easily fixed by updating to a kernel 2.6.10 or later). I have no commercial relationship to Kyocera so this is all a personal decision. Regards Richard Neal Childlessness is hereditary, if your parents don't have children neither will you. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Linux Printing
Hai folks I asked about a month ago about what would be a good mono laser printer, for a small office setup. Some of the information was very useful, and I thank everyone. So what did I end up buying, well after running the slide rule over everything I ended up getting a Kyocera FS-820, the main reasons being very low TCO compared to all the printers I looked into. The two main factors were the up front price of only $320ex, and that I don't have to change the drum for 100,000 pages (you just buy another printer). It works fine with Linux (don't use it with Mandrake 10.1 there is a PCL/lp0 bug in the kernel easily fixed by updating to a kernel 2.6.10 or later). I have no commercial relationship to Kyocera so this is all a personal decision. Regards Richard Neal Childlessness is hereditary, if your parents don't have children neither will you. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
