Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
Surely moderating lists based on From address is flawed, since that data can be so easily faked. I know I get plenty of spam claiming to be from [EMAIL PROTECTED].. If the intention is to have 0% spam make it through to the list, I don't see how this is going to achieve that. I do see that it will inconvenience newcomers, people with more than one email address and our volunteer list admin -- all people we should be *attracting*. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
quote who=Angus Lees If the intention is to have 0% spam make it through to the list, I don't see how this is going to achieve that. I do see that it will inconvenience newcomers, people with more than one email address and our volunteer list admin -- all people we should be *attracting*. This will be discussed and voted on at this month's meeting, and doesn't really need to be covered any further here. Cheers, Jan. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. - Unknown -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Ken Foskey wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:16, Tony Green wrote: I'd be stunned if that ever happened. Though I do think if there is to be a change to the list setup, it should be decided by a vote of the financial members. Let's cut the BS and really put it to the vote... As a financial member I would like to propose a motion for the next meeting that we vote on the slug mailing list. a) Leaving it alone. b) Moving to a moderated list. c) Changing it to a members only list. d) Changing it to a financial members only list. How about we add my proposal of making non-member posts subject to having the email address validated much like you do when subscribing. Then we can make posting to the list available to members plus a list of validated exceptions. The validation may optionally expire after an arbitrary period of say 3 months. While we're at it, another idea would be to limit cross-posting. IE if you want to send to slug send it to slug and maybe the person you're replying to only. How would this be done technically? Possibly a procmail filter that just checks if the sender is on a) main list or b) exception list, if not, generate a 'subscribe' request on the sender's behalf to the 'exceptions' mailing list that cannot be posted to, they would then have to subscribe to the exceptions list. If they're on either a) or b) lists forward onto normal mailman stuff. -- ---GRiP--- Electronic Hobyist, Former Arcadia BBS nut, Occasonal nudist, Linux Guru, SLUG/AUUG/Linux Australia member, Sydney Flashmobber, BMX rider, Walker, Raver rave music lover, Big kid that refuses grow up. I'd make a good family pet, take me home today! Do people actually read these things? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003, Grant Parnell wrote: How about we add my proposal of making non-member posts subject to having the email address validated much like you do when subscribing. Then we can make posting to the list available to members plus a list of validated exceptions. The validation may optionally expire after an arbitrary period of say 3 months. If we do close the list, it's probably best to limit the options to those that Mailman 2.1 (our mail software) makes relatively easy, rather than have a policy that requires we maintain additional software to implement the policy. Mailman *can* do any of open posting, closed to subscribers only, or all posts moderated. Also, Mailman does have an accept filter -- a list of non-subscribed addresses that can post without being held for moderation, so it would certainly be possible to add people to that (probably when they try to post from an unsubscribed address for the first time), but it doesn't have a expiry feature. How would this be done technically? Possibly a procmail filter that just checks if the sender is on a) main list or b) exception list, if not, generate a 'subscribe' request on the sender's behalf to the 'exceptions' mailing list that cannot be posted to, they would then have to subscribe to the exceptions list. If they're on either a) or b) lists forward onto normal mailman stuff. Mailman doesn't maintain the non subscribed, can post list as a separate *mailing list*, it's just a list of addresses somewhere in its database. So you can't *subscribe* to it. The closest equivalent is subscribing to the main list and then turning list delivery off, and that's a two step process. Most closed lists do end up saying something like if you want to post from a second address, subscribe it and turn list delivery off. Whether we'd choose maintaining an accept filter, or asking people to subscribe their other address with delivery off, or some combination, would be up to the admins probably, in the event of the vote being in favour of a closed list. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003, Mary Gardiner wrote: it's probably best to limit the options to those that Mailman 2.1 (our mail software) makes relatively easy That should read list software -- slug.org.au's MTA is Postfix. Since not all list admins have the ability to change the Postfix setup, it would still be vastly preferable if list policies could be implemented using Mailman features only (and there's no reason why that can't be the case for any of the current proposals). -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
quote who=Mary Gardiner Mailman doesn't maintain the non subscribed, can post list as a separate *mailing list*, it's just a list of addresses somewhere in its database. Although, just as a detail, it can do that too. You can specify that subscribers of particular mailing lists can also have unmoderated posting access to your list. There's a dirty hack on the GNOME Mailman that allows subscribers of the post-only mailing list to mail any other list without being moderated. It's a pretty cool feature for a server with many lists, and plenty of (almost institutionalised) cross-posting. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ It's my head, Schwartz - it's my head! - John Malkovich -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:16, Tony Green wrote: I'd be stunned if that ever happened. Though I do think if there is to be a change to the list setup, it should be decided by a vote of the financial members. Let's cut the BS and really put it to the vote... As a financial member I would like to propose a motion for the next meeting that we vote on the slug mailing list. a) Leaving it alone. b) Moving to a moderated list. c) Changing it to a members only list. d) Changing it to a financial members only list. Option b) will revert to an a) unless we have at least 3 volunteers for a guaranteed 12 months. Separate motion: Any whingers gainsaying this duly taken vote are automatically warned and on a repeat offence given a automatic moderation for a period of one week for each further offence. (second offence is two weeks, third offence three, etc) OK I don't think this one will fly but hopefully just raising it some will get the hint. Just in case I am unable to make the meeting I nominate Tony or Jeff as my proxy. They seem echo my opinions on this matter. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:41, Ken Foskey wrote: Let's cut the BS and really put it to the vote... I can't speak for the ctte any more, but I emailed them today about it. Hopefully we can get an announce about the plans for the next meeting soon.. -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:41, Ken Foskey wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:16, Tony Green wrote: I'd be stunned if that ever happened. Though I do think if there is to be a change to the list setup, it should be decided by a vote of the financial members. Let's cut the BS and really put it to the vote... As a financial member I would like to propose a motion for the next meeting that we vote on the slug mailing list. a) Leaving it alone. b) Moving to a moderated list. c) Changing it to a members only list. d) Changing it to a financial members only list. Option b) will revert to an a) unless we have at least 3 volunteers for a guaranteed 12 months. Separate motion: Any whingers gainsaying this duly taken vote are automatically warned and on a repeat offence given a automatic moderation for a period of one week for each further offence. (second offence is two weeks, third offence three, etc) OK I don't think this one will fly but hopefully just raising it some will get the hint. Just in case I am unable to make the meeting I nominate Tony or Jeff as my proxy. They seem echo my opinions on this matter. Seconded. I'm tired of the back and forth. (And for the record, I support option a). Rob -- GPG key available at: http://members.aardvark.net.au/lifeless/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:43, Tony Green wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:41, Ken Foskey wrote: Let's cut the BS and really put it to the vote... I can't speak for the ctte any more, but I emailed them today about it. Hopefully we can get an announce about the plans for the next meeting soon.. This really is a formal motion... I want to vote discussion out of existence. Just in case there is any doubt about my intentions. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
quote who=Ken Foskey On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:52, Robert Collins wrote: Right. Formally: I intend to speak pro option a) at the meeting. I propose that we amend the motion, such that if there is no pro-option X speaker for each of the options, those options without a speaker are removed from the list. Will someone second this amendment? Seems only fair. Seconded. Accepted. We'll have the vote at the October meeting. Anyone interested in speaking at the meeting on behalf of one of the 4 options, please let us know. Note that option B requires 3 volunteers to moderate the list for at least 12 months, or the list will revert to option A. The motion as it stands is: Vote to modify the mailing list policy to one of: a) Leaving it alone. b) Moving to a moderated list. c) Changing it to a members only list. d) Changing it to a financial members only list. Unless there is a speaker willing to address the meeting on behalf of an option, it will be removed from the list before the vote. Regards, Jan. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. - Unknown -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Notice of motion at the next meeting.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 20:34, Jan Schmidt wrote: Unless there is a speaker willing to address the meeting on behalf of an option, it will be removed from the list before the vote. I will speak for keeping the list as is. Rob -- GPG key available at: http://members.aardvark.net.au/lifeless/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
