Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
$50 donation to the Open Source project of your choice in the name of the first person to post a genuine image of the new train indicators with a BSOD. My friend took this photo a couple of weeks ago, not quite a bsod but still it didn't work so same end result to the customer. http://bianca.marauder.tm/photos/img.php?img=photos06/dscn0386.jpg Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Aaron Binns wrote: killall -HUP passengers What if the passengers go into uninterruptible sleep? You reboot the signal box, of course! Does this mean the passengers are transported on the bus instead? Naaa, this is Cityrail. They're only peripherally aware of the problems. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
John Wiltshire wrote:
...snip...
I seem to recall some statistic that most ATMs actually run OS/2.
At one stage they did, but PHB in the banks decided that IBM had
killed OS/2 and started to move them over to NT. There have been a
couple of rollouts of NT ATMs in Sydney I believe.
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Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Rodos wrote: http://daimyo.org/bsod/ There is a good NT one there. That's fscking scarey. One of them is a bank running NT on its ATM, and the damn thing had crashed! Be afraid, be very afraid! DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, you wrote: $50 donation to the Open Source project of your choice in the name of the first person to post a genuine image of the new train indicators with a BSOD. \ Bugger - why couldn't you have said this 3 weeks ago...:-( -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- Regards, Jon -- "It is irresponsible to connect a Windows machine to the Internet" ... John Wiltshire (SLUG) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
At 10:32 PM 31/08/00 +1100, Jason Rennie wrote: Windows has detected that a new carriage has been connected. Please restart the engine for the new settings to be propagated. Be careful you'll get a fatal exception in passenger.dll Jason Be a real bugger if you don't have the right drivers... (Keep them corny train jokes commin :) ) Paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Paul Robinson wrote: At 10:32 PM 31/08/00 +1100, Jason Rennie wrote: Windows has detected that a new carriage has been connected. Please restart the engine for the new settings to be propagated. Be careful you'll get a fatal exception in passenger.dll Jason Be a real bugger if you don't have the right drivers... And watch out for unreliable signals... - James -- James Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, you wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:02:27PM +1100, Jon Biddell uttered: On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, you wrote: $50 donation to the Open Source project of your choice in the name of the first person to post a genuine image of the new train indicators with a BSOD. Bugger - why couldn't you have said this 3 weeks ago...:-( You mean you have such a picture? Post it up and you'll win! No, I saw it 3 weeks ago, and it was there for at least twop days - I would have brought the camera in...:-( -- Regards, Jon -- "It is irresponsible to connect a Windows machine to the Internet" ... John Wiltshire (SLUG) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On 31-Aug-2000 John Wiltshire wrote: [] Most people don't set their watches by trains, nor complain if a train is 30 seconds early or late compared to when the sign said '1 minute to go'. Except in Switzerland. Bloody things there are accurate to the second. The trains, as well as the watches. Meanwhile, remaining vaguely on topic for the thread if not the list, I was delighted to discover on the BT stand (OK, 'Talk Zone') at the Dome on London a couple of weeks ago a large collection of touch-screen thingies for sending email. The first one featured the Win95 "This module has executed an illegal instruction" dialog, citing a module that wasn't MS's fault. Unfortunately, all attempts at getting it to go away produced one of those error dialogs the VxD layer produces. Now, how do you give a touch screen a 3 fingered salute? OTOH, the 3D scanner they have there - get a Quake skin of yourself - is kinda fun. -- Jim Hague - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Play) Never trust a computer you can't lift. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
One of them is a bank running NT on its ATM, and the damn thing had crashed! Be afraid, be very afraid! DaZZa I'll go one better- the checkout computers at the Broadway Coles (running what looks like NT) have been known to crash while you're buying your groceries. bez -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
I'll go one better- the checkout computers at the Broadway Coles (running what looks like NT) have been known to crash while you're buying your groceries. They are running NT, On very expensive Digital PC's. I helped upgrade them once. Jason -- GnuPG Key 2450EEDC Jason Rennie[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 1A2B 5E34 B45A 2871 A488 99C7 7579 5FFC 2450 EEDC -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
From: DaZZa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, bez wrote: One of them is a bank running NT on its ATM, and the damn thing had crashed! Be afraid, be very afraid! I'll go one better- the checkout computers at the Broadway Coles (running what looks like NT) have been known to crash while you're buying your groceries. That's fine - all a checkout crashing can do is waste time - an ATM crashing can lose you money! How? Say you put in your card, plug in your PIN, select withdraw, the ATM sends the request to the mainframe, receives confirmation that it can dispense money... And at THIS point the crappy WindoZe operating system running the hardware GPF's. You've got stuff all chance of proving it to the bank - their records say the money was dispensed - so you're stuffed. I'd be changing banks if I found out the ATM's at mine were running WindoZe. I'm pretty sure they have a sensor which can tell if you've actually taken the money or not. You'll find most banks are hideously paranoid when it comes to dispensing money and the logs in the ATM will record (in a non-writeback-cached manner) that the user didn't take the money before the system failed. I seem to recall some statistic that most ATMs actually run OS/2. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
From: James Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Paul Robinson wrote: At 10:32 PM 31/08/00 +1100, Jason Rennie wrote: Windows has detected that a new carriage has been connected. Please restart the engine for the new settings to be propagated. Be careful you'll get a fatal exception in passenger.dll Jason Be a real bugger if you don't have the right drivers... And watch out for unreliable signals... Windows doesn't have signals. Does that explain crashing? John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, John Wiltshire wrote: I'd be changing banks if I found out the ATM's at mine were running WindoZe. I'm pretty sure they have a sensor which can tell if you've actually taken the money or not. You'll find most banks are hideously paranoid when it comes to dispensing money and the logs in the ATM will record (in a non-writeback-cached manner) that the user didn't take the money before the system failed. That was just a quicked-up example - the actual mechanisms are probably different. And yes, you'd eventually be able to get it right - but not without _huge_ hassle - I've been in that situation. Sorting out a $150 transaction which went wrong took 4 MONTHS of abusing the bank. I seem to recall some statistic that most ATMs actually run OS/2. No. Believe it or not. Unix. NCR Unix, to be specific - especially on those ATM's with an NCR logo on them - which is a goodly percentage. It's pretty cut down and customised, but it's basically a Unix kernel. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
From: DaZZa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, John Wiltshire wrote: I seem to recall some statistic that most ATMs actually run OS/2. No. Believe it or not. Unix. NCR Unix, to be specific - especially on those ATM's with an NCR logo on them - which is a goodly percentage. It's pretty cut down and customised, but it's basically a Unix kernel. Fair enough. Most of the embedded systems I've played with run a Unix, or Unix-like kernel. I think it has something to do with not reinventing the wheel. :-) Ok, so we know the NCR ones run Unix. I've been told the IBM ones run OS/2 (unverified). Anyone know any others? John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
I'm pretty sure they have a sensor which can tell if you've actually taken the money or not. You'll find most banks are hideously paranoid when it comes to dispensing money and the logs in the ATM will record (in a non-writeback-cached manner) that the user didn't take the money before the system failed. Yes, I once ended up reading a book on Automatic Teller Machines when I really wanted a book on Asynchronous Transfer Mode (it was an interlibrary loan, I do riffle the pages when I have the book in hand), but it was interesting anyway. There are mechanisms in the ATMs to guard against all sorts of situations, such as double counting to detect stuck bills, etc etc. I'm sure there is a small chance of an undetected error but the humans surrounding the system are more likely to give you grief. Another interesting fact in that book was how NCR captured the bulk of the market. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
Don't keep us in suspense, how did NCR corner the market ? Cheers Erich Schulz Instrumental Technologies PO Box 6028, Lake Munmorah, NSW 2259 Ph: (+61)0500 551 228 , Fax: (+612) 43583113 Mob: 0408 201 228 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
Don't keep us in suspense, how did NCR corner the market ? Simply by getting in first (I think they invented it or had some heavy involvement with it) and continually refining the product. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, John Wiltshire generated: I'm pretty sure they have a sensor which can tell if you've actually taken the money or not. You'll find most banks are hideously paranoid when it comes to dispensing money and the logs in the ATM will record (in a non-writeback-cached manner) that the user didn't take the money before the system failed. This is true, I've had ATMs show me my money, then snap it back because I was too slow in removing it. A call to the bank gets your money back. -- jamesw "We're like sisters... with really different hair!" -- Cordelia Chase, Buffy the Vampire Slayer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, Michael Lake generated: killall -HUP passengers What if the passengers go into uninterruptible sleep? -- jamesw "We're like sisters... with really different hair!" -- Cordelia Chase, Buffy the Vampire Slayer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, James Wilkinson wrote: killall -HUP passengers What if the passengers go into uninterruptible sleep? You reboot the signal box, of course! DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
killall -HUP passengers What if the passengers go into uninterruptible sleep? You reboot the signal box, of course! Does this mean the passengers are transported on the bus instead? Aaron Binns System Engineer Tower Technology Pty Ltd (02) 94242786 ** PRIVILEGED - PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information which is confidential or privileged. If you receive this email and you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the email to the addressee), please disregard the contents of the email, delete the email and notify the author immediately. ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
John Wiltshire wrote: I seem to recall some statistic that most ATMs actually run OS/2. ... Ok, so we know the NCR ones run Unix. I've been told the IBM ones run OS/2 (unverified). Anyone know any others? NCR cash registers run SCO Unix. (from the SCO distributor) Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
James Wilkinson wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, Michael Lake generated: killall -HUP passengers What if the passengers go into uninterruptible sleep? Uninterruptable sleep would be a zombie passenger. Kill off that process. If they are just sleeping (ie interruptable) use the fg command to bring the background passenger back into the foreground. man bash Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
Michael Lake wrote: man bash Suffer the thought of continuing this thread, but... What exactly are you implying by man bash?!? ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so cold of heart as never to express it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
-Original Message- From: John Wiltshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 1 September 2000 10:10 AM To: 'DaZZa'; John Wiltshire Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards From: DaZZa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, John Wiltshire wrote: I seem to recall some statistic that most ATMs actually run OS/2. No. Believe it or not. Unix. NCR Unix, to be specific - especially on those ATM's with an NCR logo on them - which is a goodly percentage. It's pretty cut down and customised, but it's basically a Unix kernel. Fair enough. Most of the embedded systems I've played with run a Unix, or Unix-like kernel. I think it has something to do with not reinventing the wheel. :-) Ok, so we know the NCR ones run Unix. I've been told the IBM ones run OS/2 (unverified). Anyone know any others? Well, I dont know about ATM's but I know life support systems in America use Solaris as their OS, which makes sense I guess, if they used NT the BSOD would suddenly have a whole new meaning ;) Patrick Kelso John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
James Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, John Wiltshire generated: I'm pretty sure they have a sensor which can tell if you've actually taken the money or not. You'll find most banks are hideously paranoid when it comes to dispensing money and the logs in the ATM will record (in a non-writeback-cached manner) that the user didn't take the money before the system failed. This is true, I've had ATMs show me my money, then snap it back because I was too slow in removing it. A call to the bank gets your money back. yep and I've had ones short change me, hence now I always count what the machine gives me before departing the scene. I rang the bank branch who owned the machine the next working day and told them. They "balanced" the machine (ie. counted the money and matched transactions etc) and found it had more than it should by exactly the amount I claimed ($40 or $60 or something) so they gave it back to me. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
Hi Guys A little OT but I have to vent myself on this user interface stuffup. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the tonnes and tonnes of EvilWare boxen on the cityrail network a the moment (NT machines running the timetable screens) - I asked the staff at Wnywrd why they hadn't pulled the crappy old indicator boards out yet and they said "Well, these new ones *are* running Windows, so we better keep the manual system for a while, just in case". The current `old' indicator boards and the new NT based video screens are user interfaces to present certain specific information to a user - who may be at some considerable distance from a screen. With the old indicator boards you can tell if your train is next as you recognise the pattern of lights. You don't need to be able to read the text and most regulars won't. With the new screens not only do you have to be closer becasue you HAVE to read the text but you have to wait for it to scroll around till it shows your destination or not. A very bad user interface replacing a good one. Now back to Linux Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
A very bad user interface replacing a good one. not to mention stability issues... http://www8.50megs.com/thepix/photos/special-pres/image27.htm later marty "I can't buy what I want because it's free. Can't be what they want because I'm me." - Corduroy, Pearl Jam -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
From: marty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] A very bad user interface replacing a good one. not to mention stability issues... http://www8.50megs.com/thepix/photos/special-pres/image27.htm Not wanting to be too critical, but that screen is a Win9x BSOD and not NT. Be careful that you don't get too zealous in your advocacy or you'll end up ruining the whole argument. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
Not wanting to be too critical, but that screen is a Win9x BSOD and not NT. Be careful that you don't get too zealous in your advocacy or you'll end up ruining the whole argument. i think NT/2000 has a place in this world, ie. the right tool for the right job... forgot the ;) for the image... later marty "I can't buy what I want because it's free. Can't be what they want because I'm me." - Corduroy, Pearl Jam -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
$50 donation to the Open Source project of your choice in the name of the first person to post a genuine image of the new train indicators with a BSOD. -- Rev Simon Rumble "Athens built the Acropolis. Corinth was a commercial [EMAIL PROTECTED]city interested in purely materialistic things. Today http://www.rumble.net we admire Athens, visit it, preserve the old temples, yet we hardly ever set foot in Corinth." - Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Laureate in chemistry -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
$50 donation to the Open Source project of your choice in the name of the first person to post a genuine image of the new train indicators with a BSOD. there is a photo floating around that has a train noticeboard with a BSOD, but i am not sure if it is australian... there is also a billboard photo where there is a dialog box asking for the driver for new hardware... later marty "I can't buy what I want because it's free. Can't be what they want because I'm me." - Corduroy, Pearl Jam -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
From: Rev Simon Rumble [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] $50 donation to the Open Source project of your choice in the name of the first person to post a genuine image of the new train indicators with a BSOD. Actually, that's a very good PR idea. I've seen a few of those Internet Kiosk machines with a BSOD (NT 4sp5) on them. I've seen a bank's front window display with the same screen while I was in Italy last. Even more interesting is here in Brisbane I've seen the bus timetable displays in the Queen Street tunnel showing a Commodore 64 bootup screen. That made me laugh. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
A quick google search revealed http://daimyo.org/bsod/ There is a good NT one there. I remember hearing that UTS has X based terminals near the door and they they can screw up too... Rodos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
This one needs a video camera but I find it very interesting. Several times when I have been waiting for a train the time for the next train has jumped back and forth 1 minute about every 8-10 seconds or so. So it will say the next train will be in 6 minutes 8 seconds later the next train will be in 7 minutes 8 seconds later still the next train will be in 6 minutes 8 seconds later still the next train will be in 7 minutes 8 seconds later still the next train will be in 6 minutes ...and so it goes on. It is quite entertaining to watch, particularly if there are later trains on display, their time jumps backwards and forwards accordingly as well. I like to imagine the behaviour of the train that I'm waiting for in my mind- it travels towards me for 8 seconds, making the arrival time 6 minutes, but then it goes into reverse for 8 seconds, causing the time to change from 6 to 7, then it travels forwards again... there's enough problems on the trains as it is without shcizophrenic drivers. I haven't seen a blue screen of death yet (although when you just miss a train and look at the blue application screen and see that the next one is not for 30 minutes that is a blue screen of severe annoyance) but I have seen the Windows desktop with a debug window open and what look to be error messages in an application window, there's lots of :: in them so it might be C++ although it might be Visual Basic for all I know about MS. Rant: Whatever money New South Wales City Rail spent on this solution could have been better spent employing more fat cat Rail Chiefs, that seems to be their answer to everything. Stuart. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 03:03:29AM -, Stuart Cooper uttered: Rant: Whatever money New South Wales City Rail spent on this solution could have been better spent employing more fat cat Rail Chiefs, that seems to be their answer to everything. What do you expect from Ron Christie? You might remember him from such roles as CEO or the RTA and CEO of ORTA. That someone indoctrinated into the RTA's "pave the planet" philosophy could suddenly become an advocate for effective public transport is quite a joke. His job is to take the flack of the Transport Minister who's been cutting public transport budgets his entire career while spending billions on new roads. To clarify my offer: you need to get a genuine BSOD screen on the new Sydney rail screens. The offer was, of course, intended to get others to make similar offers hint-hint hence making it quite profitable for some lucky open source project. -- Rev Simon Rumble "Athens built the Acropolis. Corinth was a commercial [EMAIL PROTECTED]city interested in purely materialistic things. Today http://www.rumble.net we admire Athens, visit it, preserve the old temples, yet we hardly ever set foot in Corinth." - Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Laureate in chemistry -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
marty wrote: there is also a billboard photo where there is a dialog box asking for the driver for new hardware... Windows has detected that a new carriage has been connected. Please restart the engine for the new settings to be propagated. Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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Michael Lake wrote: Windows has detected that a new carriage has been connected. Please restart the engine for the new settings to be propagated. ROTFL... Precisely what "Windows Everywhere" will bring us. If I ever hear the ticket attendant asking, "Where do you want to go today?" I'll take the bus to Alice. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so cold of heart as never to express it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, John Wiltshire wrote: Seriously, I'm working for Qld Main Roads up here and we do the software that shows the time busses are due to arrive on signs at bus stops The busses must be crushing a lot of signs! [couldn't resist] -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
Quoting Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Guys A little OT but I have to vent myself on this user interface stuffup. The user interface wasn't the point of my post (and I *do* agree with you) - the fact that the Cityrail staff recognise the inadequacies and unreliability of WIndows NT is "amusing"..:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
Quoting Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Guys A little OT but I have to vent myself on this user interface stuffup. The user interface wasn't the point of my post (and I *do* agree with you) - the fact that the Cityrail staff recognise the inadequacies and unreliability of WIndows NT is "amusing"..:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
